Could Earthly Religions Survive The Discovery Of Life Elsewhere In The Universe

[Light Eye]

Dear Friends,

This is one of my favourite topics. If God created man and everything else as
relgions say, welllllll then he also must have created ET (by the way, we are
all ET's) now didn't she. Can't understand the problem except for the fact that
some might not like to be shown that we're not the smartest monkeys anymore...

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E.T. AND GOD

Could earthly religions survive the discovery of life elsewhere in the
universe?
BY PAUL DAVIES

http://216.128.67.116/pdf/davies.pdf

Love and Light.

David




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[Jason Wharton]

> Could earthly religions survive the discovery of life
> elsewhere in the universe?

Mine would. Heavenly Father is a glorified and exalted MAN who lives upon a
celestial sphere and has created and populated worlds without end. We are
His children, it is all common sense.

Jason Wharton

[Lesley Schultz]

Hi Jason, L/L & Peace to All:

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> > Could earthly religions survive the discovery of
> life
> > elsewhere in the universe?
>
> Mine would. Heavenly Father is a glorified and
> exalted MAN who lives upon a
> celestial sphere and has created and populated
> worlds without end. We are
> His children, it is all common sense.
>
LS: I think most religions would be fine with life on
other planets, after the shock and strangeness of the
incontravertable reality wore off [e.g. they landed
and didn't look like we expected them to.] Your
comment sounds a little dismissive; I'm sure you
didn't mean this. Perhaps, in order for you to more
readily understand how it might be strange for someone
to accept a different home truth, you might consider
the possibility that your Heavenly Father might not
have a human form anymore, and might actually be
without gender bias. The Ra material is explicit
about soul entities not having a specific gender, as
the Logos contains all that there is, male and female,
without bias or preference.

If you cannot consider this possibility, or find it
too shocking and unthinkable to even contemplate for a
moment, consider that someone else might feel
something very like your feelings with regard to
extraterrestrial life.

Seeking truth in love, and acceptance of different
paths, including the questioning of what we think we
know, is [according to Mormon writings] not only an
acceptable but a vital practise in preserving the
integrity of your faith.

~lesley


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[Jason Wharton]

> LS: I think most religions would be fine with life on
> other planets, after the shock and strangeness of the
> incontravertable reality wore off [e.g. they landed
> and didn't look like we expected them to.]

> Your
> comment sounds a little dismissive; I'm sure you
> didn't mean this.

Not dismissive in the slightest.

It is more a reaction because it gets tiring seeing "religionists"
dismissed, which is at the essense of the original post. (That I don't
necessarily disagree with.) Many religionists have an extreemely infantile
view of things and would do well to open their minds some. I just don't like
being stereotyped in that category.

> Perhaps, in order for you to more
> readily understand how it might be strange for someone
> to accept a different home truth, you might consider
> the possibility that your Heavenly Father might not
> have a human form anymore, and might actually be
> without gender bias.

Whatever the case is, it will be common sense when considered in its full
context. I'm not overly concerned about it.

> The Ra material is explicit
> about soul entities not having a specific gender, as
> the Logos contains all that there is, male and female,
> without bias or preference.

With regard to us, if you strip away the various bodies where gender is
important at some point you would get back to the more root essences. If you
progress forward until you have totally transcended this octave I can see
how gender may go back to being a non-discriminant issue. I believe our
etheric body is genderized but perhaps the other more primitive ones are
not. Just like people are doing transgender stuff these days it is probably
possible to be transgendered on an etheric level as well. In any case, I'm
quite satisfied with my gender so its not a particularly touchy subject for
me, nor is it for my wife. There's a purpose and a role for gender which I
am perfectly comfortable with and accepting of. It is common sense now. If
gender is a non-issue in the future, it will be just as much common sense
for that as it is for gender now.

> If you cannot consider this possibility, or find it
> too shocking and unthinkable to even contemplate for a
> moment, consider that someone else might feel
> something very like your feelings with regard to
> extraterrestrial life.

Considering possibility is one of my specialties.

> Seeking truth in love, and acceptance of different
> paths, including the questioning of what we think we
> know, is [according to Mormon writings] not only an
> acceptable but a vital practise in preserving the
> integrity of your faith.

Yes, all Latter-day Saints are encouraged to do just this. Truth is truth
and it stands independant of anything. It just IS.

Jason Wharton

[*~Shemayet~*]

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> > Could earthly religions survive the discovery of life
> > elsewhere in the universe?

~Mine would. Heavenly Father is a glorified and exalted MAN

~We are His children, it is all common sense.

> Jason Wharton

Pardon my jump in to the conversation, I have been a "silent"
partner. Soaking up the atmosphere trying to find where I fit in. My
name is Shemayet.

To be honest, I hope it doesn't. I feel "religion" is a HUGE
distortion for 3D we need to overcome.

I find the neverending debate about whether "God" is a woman or a
man, very cliche and frankly, see no other way to balance this
subject, than to assume it encompases both.

However many souls in this carnation, are here to be biased. So the
debate ensues.

To each their own reality. But when you, in a forum that is
looking to balance these distortions, accentuate the word "man", you
are going to spark the the feminine in more than just one of
us.

It sounded as though you would impress upon one, that "God" IS a
man, and NOT a woman. At least that is what I felt.

Man alone too me, is not common sense. "God" as an engendered man,
can only have children with his opposite and equal, "God" as an
engendered woman, the mother of those children. Why else
would "gender" even matter in this dimension? In this dimension
human survival depends on it.

Maybe to learn to see male and female, and the combination of both,
the child as "ONE", is something we are trying to learn as well. It
seems to me that "family" isn't important anymore. Having children
is seen as TABOO! (this is a frightening trend) We should remember
the holy trinity AUM and what it depicts. "The Father, the Mother,
and the Child" and to me depicts, the "Essense of Love" We ARE a
social memory complex right? Apart of one another. We're all family
We are ALL of the first Triad, no? I don't see where religion plays
into the picture.

Religion -- Man=Hierarchy, Hierarchy=Dogma, and Dogma=Religion.
Sounds to me like a chain of command without regard to free will.
Just a lot of "do as I say, or be damned".

I understand where you are coming from Jason, but like you, we all
have our own convictions. If that is what you believe, then you are
using your free will to believe it, as are we that keep things
balanced. If it makes sense for you, that's all that matters. Not
whether it does to someone else.

For me this path has been the closest to the "Truth" for me than
anything, and I too, would like to thank "EVERYONE" involved. I have
found a beacon to light my way through the tunnels of what one
calls "LIFE"

LOVE AND LIGHT

Shemayet~Estrea*

[Gwen]

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<universal_heartbeat2012@y...> wrote:
> Dear Friends,
>
> This is one of my favourite topics. If God created man and
everything else as relgions say, welllllll then he also must have
created ET (by the way, we are all ET's) now didn't she. Can't
understand the problem except for the fact that some might not like
to be shown that we're not the smartest monkeys anymore...
>

I thought she was an ET ;>)

gwen

> This is a pdf format. If you don't have Adobe go to
http://www.adobe.com and download it free.
>
> E.T. AND GOD
>
> Could earthly religions survive the discovery of life elsewhere in
the
> universe?
> BY PAUL DAVIES
>
> http://216.128.67.116/pdf/davies.pdf
>
> Love and Light.
>
> David
>
>
>
>
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[Jason Wharton]

> Pardon my jump in to the conversation, I have been a "silent"
> partner. Soaking up the atmosphere trying to find where I fit in. My
> name is Shemayet.

No need to pardon. Welcome to the discussion.

> To be honest, I hope it doesn't. I feel "religion" is a HUGE
> distortion for 3D we need to overcome.
>
> I find the neverending debate about whether "God" is a woman or a
> man, very cliche and frankly, see no other way to balance this
> subject, than to assume it encompases both.

Exactly! I shared a post earlier, hopefully some will recall, that clearly
holds that God is both the male and female counterparts united. That's why
the highest degree of glory in the celestial kingdom (LDS lingo) entails men
and women being sealed together as husband/wife for time and all eternity.
My wife knows she is essential to me as I am to her and we treat one another
accordingly. No gender holds all the cards in the deck.

> However many souls in this carnation, are here to be biased. So the
> debate ensues.

Yes, but there is great joy and creation when the genders unite and fulfill
their roles without resent or domination.

> To each their own reality. But when you, in a forum that is
> looking to balance these distortions, accentuate the word "man", you
> are going to spark the the feminine in more than just one of
> us.

I see how my comments could have sparked something... Thanks for stepping in
and illuminating a trigger that was not intended to be such.

When I said MAN, this refers to a race, not a gender. MAN-kind, Hu-MAN, etc.
That's why I put it in all CAPS. Next time I'll think of some other way to
set it apart from man as a gender. Though it would have been better if I
would have included mention of Heavenly Mother too.

> It sounded as though you would impress upon one, that "God" IS a
> man, and NOT a woman. At least that is what I felt.

I for sure wasn't and I appreciate you are owning that as your view,
separate from my intentions.

> Man alone too me, is not common sense. "God" as an engendered man,
> can only have children with his opposite and equal, "God" as an
> engendered woman, the mother of those children. Why else
> would "gender" even matter in this dimension? In this dimension
> human survival depends on it.

Indeed!

> Maybe to learn to see male and female, and the combination of both,
> the child as "ONE", is something we are trying to learn as well. It
> seems to me that "family" isn't important anymore. Having children
> is seen as TABOO! (this is a frightening trend) We should remember
> the holy trinity AUM and what it depicts. "The Father, the Mother,
> and the Child" and to me depicts, the "Essense of Love" We ARE a
> social memory complex right? Apart of one another. We're all family
> We are ALL of the first Triad, no?

Such choice words! I agree entirely!

One of our early church leaders prophesied that the day would come when it
would be only a few women other than latter-day saints who would desire to
bring children into the world anymore. Those days are fast approaching and
in fact are already here to a large extent. Whenever in public people act
amazed about my four children and then I have to remember where the world is
at on this.

> I don't see where religion plays
> into the picture.

If you knew my religion you would understand this is ultimately what it is
all about. We have a heavenly family, we are here learning lessons and
preparing to one day have heavenly families of our own, worlds without end.
Most call it blasphemy but to me it is common sense. Sounds like it just
might be common sense to you as well.

> Religion -- Man=Hierarchy, Hierarchy=Dogma, and Dogma=Religion.
> Sounds to me like a chain of command without regard to free will.
> Just a lot of "do as I say, or be damned".

Truth is no less apologetic. Difference is, truth couldn't apologize if it
wanted to. If a religion is pure and filled with truth, neither would it
need to be apologetic.

Sad facts are, most all religions are corrupt and full of "commandments of
men" and deny the powers of the divine to one degree or another. Even my own
religion acknowledges that we yet have much to grow and progress as
individuals and as a group.

The good news is Jesus Christ is still very much at the helm and lifting and
healing and preparing all who really want these things. But, it comes line
upon line, precept upon precept for all. I believe David's inspiration is
flowing largely from this well.

> I understand where you are coming from Jason, but like you, we all
> have our own convictions. If that is what you believe, then you are
> using your free will to believe it, as are we that keep things
> balanced. If it makes sense for you, that's all that matters. Not
> whether it does to someone else.

We probably disagree much less that it seemed but at some level we still are
more than likely going to disagree somewhere. I am definitely using my
free-will in my belief forumulation process. I moved out at 17 and have
governed myself entirely in these matters ever since.

> For me this path has been the closest to the "Truth" for me than
> anything, and I too, would like to thank "EVERYONE" involved. I have
> found a beacon to light my way through the tunnels of what one
> calls "LIFE"

There is indeed a lot of light here! I hope I add to it in some way, shape
or form.

My intent in sharing things I perceive we hold in common is to provide
affirmation towards you. I know the vast majority of what I learn here
affirms me and I appreciate that. To a large extent there are few other
sources of affirmation on things like this to be found elsewhere. Certainly
not in the typical religious envirnoments of our day anyway.

Kind regards,
Jason Wharton

[rueckert]

Here's a couple suggestions on non-trigger naming: I tend to use "humankind"
for the race of men and women of earth. And for that shibboleth, "God", a
real trigger word, I go to Creator or Godhead principle. The old
mother-father-god thing is just not satisfactory to me, being a
lumped-together and very human construction. Blessings- wol L/L

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> Pardon my jump in to the conversation, I have been a "silent"
> partner. Soaking up the atmosphere trying to find where I fit in. My
> name is Shemayet.

No need to pardon. Welcome to the discussion.

> To be honest, I hope it doesn't. I feel "religion" is a HUGE
> distortion for 3D we need to overcome.
>
> I find the neverending debate about whether "God" is a woman or a
> man, very cliche and frankly, see no other way to balance this
> subject, than to assume it encompases both.

Exactly! I shared a post earlier, hopefully some will recall, that clearly
holds that God is both the male and female counterparts united. That's why
the highest degree of glory in the celestial kingdom (LDS lingo) entails men
and women being sealed together as husband/wife for time and all eternity.
My wife knows she is essential to me as I am to her and we treat one another
accordingly. No gender holds all the cards in the deck.

> However many souls in this carnation, are here to be biased. So the
> debate ensues.

Yes, but there is great joy and creation when the genders unite and fulfill
their roles without resent or domination.

> To each their own reality. But when you, in a forum that is
> looking to balance these distortions, accentuate the word "man", you
> are going to spark the the feminine in more than just one of
> us.

I see how my comments could have sparked something... Thanks for stepping in
and illuminating a trigger that was not intended to be such.

When I said MAN, this refers to a race, not a gender. MAN-kind, Hu-MAN, etc.
That's why I put it in all CAPS. Next time I'll think of some other way to
set it apart from man as a gender. Though it would have been better if I
would have included mention of Heavenly Mother too.

> It sounded as though you would impress upon one, that "God" IS a
> man, and NOT a woman. At least that is what I felt.

I for sure wasn't and I appreciate you are owning that as your view,
separate from my intentions.

> Man alone too me, is not common sense. "God" as an engendered man,
> can only have children with his opposite and equal, "God" as an
> engendered woman, the mother of those children. Why else
> would "gender" even matter in this dimension? In this dimension
> human survival depends on it.

Indeed!

> Maybe to learn to see male and female, and the combination of both,
> the child as "ONE", is something we are trying to learn as well. It
> seems to me that "family" isn't important anymore. Having children
> is seen as TABOO! (this is a frightening trend) We should remember
> the holy trinity AUM and what it depicts. "The Father, the Mother,
> and the Child" and to me depicts, the "Essense of Love" We ARE a
> social memory complex right? Apart of one another. We're all family
> We are ALL of the first Triad, no?

Such choice words! I agree entirely!

One of our early church leaders prophesied that the day would come when it
would be only a few women other than latter-day saints who would desire to
bring children into the world anymore. Those days are fast approaching and
in fact are already here to a large extent. Whenever in public people act
amazed about my four children and then I have to remember where the world is
at on this.

> I don't see where religion plays
> into the picture.

If you knew my religion you would understand this is ultimately what it is
all about. We have a heavenly family, we are here learning lessons and
preparing to one day have heavenly families of our own, worlds without end.
Most call it blasphemy but to me it is common sense. Sounds like it just
might be common sense to you as well.

> Religion -- Man=Hierarchy, Hierarchy=Dogma, and Dogma=Religion.
> Sounds to me like a chain of command without regard to free will.
> Just a lot of "do as I say, or be damned".

Truth is no less apologetic. Difference is, truth couldn't apologize if it
wanted to. If a religion is pure and filled with truth, neither would it
need to be apologetic.

Sad facts are, most all religions are corrupt and full of "commandments of
men" and deny the powers of the divine to one degree or another. Even my own
religion acknowledges that we yet have much to grow and progress as
individuals and as a group.

The good news is Jesus Christ is still very much at the helm and lifting and
healing and preparing all who really want these things. But, it comes line
upon line, precept upon precept for all. I believe David's inspiration is
flowing largely from this well.

> I understand where you are coming from Jason, but like you, we all
> have our own convictions. If that is what you believe, then you are
> using your free will to believe it, as are we that keep things
> balanced. If it makes sense for you, that's all that matters. Not
> whether it does to someone else.

We probably disagree much less that it seemed but at some level we still are
more than likely going to disagree somewhere. I am definitely using my
free-will in my belief forumulation process. I moved out at 17 and have
governed myself entirely in these matters ever since.

> For me this path has been the closest to the "Truth" for me than
> anything, and I too, would like to thank "EVERYONE" involved. I have
> found a beacon to light my way through the tunnels of what one
> calls "LIFE"

There is indeed a lot of light here! I hope I add to it in some way, shape
or form.

My intent in sharing things I perceive we hold in common is to provide
affirmation towards you. I know the vast majority of what I learn here
affirms me and I appreciate that. To a large extent there are few other
sources of affirmation on things like this to be found elsewhere. Certainly
not in the typical religious envirnoments of our day anyway.

Kind regards,
Jason Wharton




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[Lesley Schultz]

Hi Jason, L/L & Peace to All:
--- Jason Wharton <jwharton@... (/group/asc2k/post?postID=ea-BFlA9DciC3Tq-WcR4b3v4YRIaukn_Xo99sA6mMiyuMyNA3NHaZVgbHnvTHKKvPa 8PkT6sQFKmfRA009nT)> wrote:
> > snip> It > > seems to me that "family" isn't
important anymore. > Having children
> > is seen as TABOO! (this is a frightening trend)
<snip>
> Such choice words! I agree entirely!
>
LS: There are over 6 billion people in the world
today. We have polluted our air and water and
destroyed/built over much fertile ground, needed for
feeding our billions of people. The coming shortage
in fresh water is already being talked about in tones
reminiscent of the way they talk about the coming oil
shortage. If we as a planet got together and worked
it out, making tough decisions on where to build and
how to use our resources, we could easily feed, clothe
and educate every child and every person alive today.

I have nothing against having families, and I wish we
could have more and stronger ones, but I think we
really need to get our resource house in order. Most
of the children born in the world today are born into
terrible poverty, subject to hunger, disease and war.
Let's join hands and hearts together across all the
nations of the world to take care of the ones we have
before we have more.

I would also like to point out that there are people
in the world who do not wish to be parents, and who
should not be parents. Either they know themselves to
be inadequate to the challenge and responsibility of
parenthood or feel unprepared for it. I don't know
how many of them there are, but they should not be
demeaned or looked down upon by anyone for making that
choice.

This is my own opinion, obviously, and nothing more.

~Blessings and peace,
lesley

PS. Has anyone read the bit in the Ra material about
sixth density reproduction? Ra says that sixth
density entities reproduce by a kind of fusion, which
is done in joy and in emulation of the Creator. It is
different from what we understand in 4D as
reproduction, in that the product of this loving union
is not like a "child", but a recombination of the
attributes of the sixth density entities. I gather
that this is being done in Logoi such as ours right
now. At fifth density, reproduction to produce new
vehicles for incarnation is unnecessary, as the
vehicles do not wear out or grow old.



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865 York St. #3
Oakland, CA 94610

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[Jason Wharton]

> This is my own opinion, obviously, and nothing more.

I value your opinion. It assisted me to become more compassionate and aware.
Thank you.

> PS. Has anyone read the bit in the Ra material about
> sixth density reproduction? Ra says that sixth
> density entities reproduce by a kind of fusion, which
> is done in joy and in emulation of the Creator. It is
> different from what we understand in 4D as
> reproduction, in that the product of this loving union
> is not like a "child", but a recombination of the
> attributes of the sixth density entities. I gather
> that this is being done in Logoi such as ours right
> now. At fifth density, reproduction to produce new
> vehicles for incarnation is unnecessary, as the
> vehicles do not wear out or grow old.

I'd love to learn more about this too.

All the best!

Jason Wharton

[Gwen]

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> Hi Jason, L/L & Peace to All:
> --- Jason Wharton <jwharton@j...> wrote:
> > > snip> It > > seems to me that "family" isn't
> important anymore. > Having children
> > > is seen as TABOO! (this is a frightening trend)
> <snip>
> > Such choice words! I agree entirely!
> >
> LS: There are over 6 billion people in the world
> today. We have polluted our air and water and
> destroyed/built over much fertile ground, needed for
> feeding our billions of people. The coming shortage
> in fresh water is already being talked about in tones
> reminiscent of the way they talk about the coming oil
> shortage. If we as a planet got together and worked
> it out, making tough decisions on where to build and
> how to use our resources, we could easily feed, clothe
> and educate every child and every person alive today.
>

Well, it is easier said than done. The mantra, Think Globally, Act
Locally comes to mind. It starts with an individual doing
something. Personally, I homeschool my four younger children (there
are five all together) - so I am educating the childen in my care. I
have a garden and try to feed them from it also. (But thankfully,
there is a Costco nearby) Diamond Valley Lake is nearby (the largest
fresh water resivour in California - so water is being 'saved' for
the future shortage). Things are being done here where I live to
feed clothe and educate the children who are in need.

> I have nothing against having families, and I wish we
> could have more and stronger ones, but I think we
> really need to get our resource house in order. Most
> of the children born in the world today are born into
> terrible poverty, subject to hunger, disease and war.
> Let's join hands and hearts together across all the
> nations of the world to take care of the ones we have
> before we have more.


There are many strong families in the world, but when we go out and
take up more space in the grocery isle or the movie theater, etc. we
are given 'the look' - I think that is what Jason is speaking about.
The logic that there are starving childen in the world so don't have
any children. That reproduction in the 3d world is wrong and better
in 4d or 5d or 6d is judgemental. The idea that mystical perception
of other densities will bring you harmony where you are is limiting.
I personally think it takes a great deal of courage and stamina to be
a 3d parent. Essentially, you are re-parenting yourself. The depths
of love and care you have for another being is beyond measure in
being a parent. Love is what drives one's ability to perceive and to
integrate higher level densities. Love is what drives one's ability
to be a true parent. To find out what that is, and to manifest
parenting skills in one's life, even if you do not have children is
what the path of Heavenly Father and Heavenly Mother show to us.

If you are concerned about the poverty and hunger, disease, etc. Do
something about it where you live. Contribute to a community
cupboard, give money to charities that really help. Shop at the
Salvation Army, give blood to the Red Cross. Do something, be
proactive and you will find that in the giving to others you have
touched on the barest tip of being a parent. A parent gives their
whole life to sustain their children. Working, cleaning, teaching,
loving and laughing, there is no greater path of growth for me than
that of being a true parent.

It is difficult, especially in these trying times. And nothing
prepares you for it, so I do respect that some people choose not to
be parents. But for those of us who are, please accord the same
respect.

With an open heart,

gwen
http://home.earthlink.net/~harmonyart
>
> I would also like to point out that there are people
> in the world who do not wish to be parents, and who
> should not be parents. Either they know themselves to
> be inadequate to the challenge and responsibility of
> parenthood or feel unprepared for it. I don't know
> how many of them there are, but they should not be
> demeaned or looked down upon by anyone for making that
> choice.
>
> This is my own opinion, obviously, and nothing more.
>
> ~Blessings and peace,
> lesley
>
> PS. Has anyone read the bit in the Ra material about
> sixth density reproduction? Ra says that sixth
> density entities reproduce by a kind of fusion, which
> is done in joy and in emulation of the Creator. It is
> different from what we understand in 4D as
> reproduction, in that the product of this loving union
> is not like a "child", but a recombination of the
> attributes of the sixth density entities. I gather
> that this is being done in Logoi such as ours right
> now. At fifth density, reproduction to produce new
> vehicles for incarnation is unnecessary, as the
> vehicles do not wear out or grow old.
>
>
>
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> Lesley Schultz
> 865 York St. #3
> Oakland, CA 94610
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