It Is Time To Revisit Nibiru

[Eskmo]

Does anyone have any thoughts about this? And maybe
I'm carrying the train of thought too far, but
wouldn't a similar scenario be happening now, with
3D-going-into-4D humans gradually producing the true
4D genotype that will be living on Earth in the
not-terribly-distant-future? A future population of
Earth coming from a relative few sources of DNA?

Very interesting last thought there - makes me think. Perhaps it all starts
with certain memes coming into our collective consciousness. From there
growing and manifesting into whatever our higher selves may create.

As for nibiru, planet x etc... I'm not so sure about it. One thing i'm
positive of is I'm very very drawn to it whatever it may be (a planet, a
ship, a metaphor, an actual stargate, or symbolic of a more personal growth
that may happen for a number of people). That whole nancy from the zetatalk
thing threw me off somewhat becuase i could / can feel her distinct honest
heart coming through what she says. Whether she was / is the source of a
great deal of disinformation, govt mind control, or just deceived by neg
entities, i'm not sure. Right now there seems to be a TON of desperation
coming through her site, and many ( 98% i'd say) of her photos seem to be
honeslty nothing.

One thing is for certain is that the earth is undoubtably going through some
major changes right now - be it weather, the consciousness of the
inhabitants, volcanic, the actual earth itself etc... - and the sun adds to
the mystery.

One thing I'm sure of right now is that everyone should follow their hearts
and keep the constant flow of ideas, energy and love going. Remember that
whatever may appear to be chaotic on the outside and may seem to be "harsh",
there is nothing has ever gotten stronger without something holding it back.
I feel without this 'tension', there could be no 'release' - the more
tension - the more release.

make every moment count the next few months and times beyond that.

"keep on truckin" :)
eskmo



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[Roseattar@...]

In a message dated 8/25/2003 11:23:24 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
universal_heartbeat2012@... (/group/asc2k/post?postID=F_6x5FkHA9CTzhtBVuUeamachHm9_SsYzrAcT4 KqTZItlawKhtih7B27BDqgS2V24kgaLnDF93-44bvbNSx0Y_W4V4eALaR5hw) writes:

> Interesting. Click the link for the whole article.
>
> http://www.yowusa.com/Archive/Aug2003/XKBO11/xkbo11.htm
>
Then read this one: <A
HREF="http://www.greatdreams.com/nibiru.htm"><a href="http://www.greatdreams.com/nibiru.htm">http://www.greatdreams.com/nibiru.h\
tm</a></A>

Its a whole lot different scenario, and way more trustworthy as far
as I'm concerned.

Rose


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[Light Eye]

Dear Friends,

Interesting. Click the link for the whole article.

http://www.yowusa.com/Archive/Aug2003/XKBO11/xkbo11.htm

Be Well, BE LOVE.

David

It Is Time to Revisit Nibiru
YOWUSA.COM, August 24, 2003
Jacco van der Worp

Modern civilization is facing the same tribulations as those that beset the
ancient Mayan civilization and caused its downfall as a direct result of Earth
changes. While some try to compartmentalize the Earth's many current freakish
phenomena, one singular causality -- the largest increase in solar activity in
over 400 years -- is clearly to blame. Clearly, our Sun is now perturbing all of
the natural systems in Earth's biosphere to include: Widespread droughts,
freakish heat waves in Europe, increased volcanism, and more major deep quake
activity. This, in turn, raises the question: Could it just be a natural cycle
of the Sun? Perhaps so, but an equally plausible explanation could be that our
Sun is but one step away from the true causality -- an inbound Planet X-class
Kuiper Belt Object (XKBO) such as the Planet Nibiru, mentioned in the ancient
Sumerian texts. If so, the worst of it is yet to come.



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[Chris Hamilton]

> Its a whole lot different scenario, and way more trustworthy as far as I'm
concerned. Rose

Chris: Rose discussing the Nibiru thingy that Light Eye sent:
1) There are energetic changes occuring in our galaxy/universe
2) Everyone is always trying to explain these changes
3) DW's explanations can suffice here, imo and they are very good :) His
theory does not intrude a rogue planet
4) None of us really know what is going to happen, so DW's are as good as
anyone elses, yes?
5) Anyone else? Smile......discussion is a good thing, yes. Laugh

[Lesley Schultz]

Dear Rose, L/L & Peace to All:

--- Roseattar@... (/group/asc2k/post?postID=Pofq8D5INAmSYcLRg7FLepphEKbXoWQeS9OFXK YDXaQAYvYIIy1Epg4QFmV89tmCxBJ3ZUCUdhvHucw) wrote:
>snip> > Its a whole lot different scenario, and way
more > trustworthy as far > as I'm concerned.
>
>LS: I thought we'd left the Nibiru issue a while
back. Must have imagined that. I recall reading in
one of the Ra books that there is indeed a planet on
the other side of our sun, that we never see because
its orbit and ours keep the sun between us. Ra says
that it isn't beyond 1st density yet, and not terribly
large either.

I admit that I have a really hard time working in the
ET connection into the creation of sentient life on
earth. We know it came from somewhere, that there
were indeed denizens of earth attaining 3rd density
awareness before displaced 3D beings from Mars and
Maldek came here. I was reading that our science puts
humankind's migration out of Africa at about 70K years
ago. There is also research that suggests that there
was a massive die-off about that time, with only maybe
a couple of thousand humans left to reproduce the 6
billion we have now.

We all remember the story in Newsweek about the
Mitochondrial Eve, giving all of humankind a single
feminine ancestor. What I don't understand is how
this can be, if there are supposedly three different
types of 3D being [one aboroginal, one from Mars and
the other from Maldek,] unless the guardian ET's that
introduced the Mars and Maldek types cloned DNA from
this single female and created the genotype from that.

Does anyone have any thoughts about this? And maybe
I'm carrying the train of thought too far, but
wouldn't a similar scenario be happening now, with
3D-going-into-4D humans gradually producing the true
4D genotype that will be living on Earth in the
not-terribly-distant-future? A future population of
Earth coming from a relative few sources of DNA?

Perplexed,
~lesley

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[Erik Strasser]

> Its a whole lot different scenario, and way more trustworthy as far as I'm
concerned. Rose

Chris: Rose discussing the Nibiru thingy that Light Eye sent:
1) There are energetic changes occuring in our galaxy/universe
2) Everyone is always trying to explain these changes
3) DW's explanations can suffice here, imo and they are very good :) His
theory does not intrude a rogue planet
4) None of us really know what is going to happen, so DW's are as good as
anyone elses, yes?
5) Anyone else? Smile......discussion is a good thing, yes. Laugh

ES: Ofcourse WE know.... David is THAT part of US that is sharing what WE wanted
to know...
Now we know ( in this group at least) and we still FEAR?

CRAP...but yes.... SMILE :-)

Erik.



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[Erik Strasser]

There is also research that suggests that there
was a massive die-off about that time, with only maybe
a couple of thousand humans left to reproduce the 6
billion we have now.

ES: NOW... I want everyone to ponder the reality of this 6 biljon entities (who
are souls)
Where do they come from? How is this number increasing?

THIS.....is never EVER questioned in this group as long as I AM part.

Erik.

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[Mawk]

Hi Lesley,

Here is my 2 cents on your question. The points are potentials I entertain
that come both through my own reading, experience and remote viewing.

First you have to entertain the notion of being a body/mind/spirit entity.
If you entertain the law of one then you will know that this is how Ra
addresses those of us in 3D. In my own experience I have had a situation
where I have been aware of my body being in one place while my mind/spirit
was getting real time information (visual) in another place. The classic
mind split and for me unequivocal proof that the physical body is just a
vehicle. I do now of others who also claim similar experiences, so I don't
think I am unique and it is my belief that if one wants to put the effort
into having a similar experience it is possible for those who seek.

Given the above the next question is what can you do with the mind/spirit
complex? Again I would suggest from my experience you can access past,
present and future. Part of the information from this aspect of the self may
side step the veil through dreams. Dena-vu may be just dreams of the future
that have not been recalled or brought to conscious 3D memory. It seems that
the mind/spirit aspect of the self can also travel great distances and even
traverse dimensions. So if you entertain that the inhabitants of Earth are
not the only ones in the universe then this provides the possibility of many
other mind/spirit complexes incarnating on Earth from elsewhere. Again Ra
also suggests this with the concept of the wanderer.

The idea of parallel universes or the multiverse, which is entertained in
some theories of physics, also provides the possibility of other dimensional
beings actually being right next to us but out of reach of our primary 3D
senses. Of course some 3D individuals may be sensitive to their presents,
but once again it comes down to a question of what you entertain:-)

Finally, the Tibetan's suggest that a Tulku (recognized reincarnate such as
the Dalai Lama) can have up to five incarnations occurring simultaneously.
Could this mean that the spirit can manage 5 bodies at one time? In the
Robert Monroe series of books this notion was suggested as well. I also had
a reading from a clairvoyant that told me I would marry a women who's son
would be me. I have to say I am still waiting though:-) She did admit that
my reading was one of the strangest she had ever given! I am sure Jeremy
would agree too:-)

Cheers,

Mawk

[bob_dunham]

--- In asc2k@yahoogroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postID=m31dHNVDsoERHcqoMIdniDRAl75eTrSMpEXXZw MZ0HeOYNb0SHPE-vOUIAxGx4GbsgFloAKUseZ_UqSc), "Erik Strasser" <e.strasser@w...> wrote:
> ES: NOW... I want everyone to ponder the reality of this 6 biljon
entities (who are souls)
> Where do they come from? How is this number increasing?
____________________________________________
When you speak of "this 6 billion entities," are you referring to the
Earths population? Well, I dont know if the number of souls are
infinite or not, but, as far as the population on Earth goes, well, I
believe there are many many souls who are just not incarnated on the
Earth right now and reside elsewhere. Also there are wanderers as
well, so based on what our higher selves are choosing to experience,
the population of the Earth and our experience on it then changes.
Just my opinion, maybe way off.

Just as an aside, its really troublesome to me that I cant recall
certain words or phrases that are particular to the new age
discusions. Are there any dictionary's out there with these sort of
definitions. For example, I wanted to say that there are many souls
that "have died and are waiting to reincarnate in some 3d Earth outer
plane something or other" I think theres a way to say that in one
word, but my new age vocabulary is just too weak right now - Thats
why I wish there was a dictionary out there with new age terms - A
lot seem even to be particular to RA. I also understand that this
vocabulary would also grow just through reading more RA, but after a
few months, I forget the terms!

[light582003]

Yes, Chris, discussion is a good thing. It is so interesting to see
how we each pick up on something different in a single post. That's
what makes this group so great. We can see a broader picture. I
pray that we continue the trust so that no one is hesitant about
adding their thoughts.


With that said :), imo....

It is evident that the earth is going thru incredible changes. Many
view this as a "birthing" or "cleansing". You may also choose to see
these events as symptoms of dis-ease. And so on. There is no reason
to preclude any of these. It all seems to boil down to the fact that
these are "effects" from a "cause", or vice versa. So now we need to
find a "cause". There can be many. It seems our gov / scientists do
not know, or are not disclosing what is causing these events, so that
leaves us to ponder the questions. I do not rule out the possibility
of an unseen planet as a cause. Nor do I rule out a shift in
consciousness, etc. Again, as there may be many effects, there may
be many causes. And I do not see the necessity of there being only
one cause and one effect.

As far as the "die-off", the "African" time table fits with Ra's
statement that Martians came here about 75,000 years ago. This die-
off may have occured because conditions were different here than on
Mars. Like when you move a fish from one aquarium/water to another.
Temp, pH, etc. can cause it's death. I know it's more complicated
than that, but that was the closest example I could come up with.
This left a lot of discarnate souls. Was this the word you were
trying to come up with, Bob? (I understand what you mean about not
being able to recall words.)

Bob,I did a quick Google search under new-age dictionary
metaphysics. There are many sites that you can check out. One that,
at quick glance, seemed helpful was
www.eastrovedica.com/html/newagedisctionary.htm.

Mawk brought up an interesting thought about parallel universes. In
addition to his thoughts...we may actually be some sort of comic
relief for higher densities. :) If one believes in the "infinite"
then one could obviously believe in a multiverse. If my spirit
is "living" many lifes at one time, it's no wonder I get so confused
sometimes.

Mawk, because of your reading, you might like to read Hank
Wesselman's books. He is an anthropologist who has shamanic visions
where he meets himself in the future. Fascinating.

Leslie, I would like to hear more about your thoughts concerning the
last two paragraphs of your post. You raised an intuitive "knowing"
somewhere in the back of my mind, but I can't seem to pull out of my
mind what it is.

Let Love be your guide,
Helen

[Lesley Schultz]

My very dear Eric, L/L & peace to all:

--- Erik Strasser <e.strasser@... (/group/asc2k/post?postID=27U4zUsg9iWxJZ5Ws8JYSZeEE7u-y8nAk2f9ndcUYHyfM7IZMa3isnA-tsRk5lKjxwHYIoLA5RMf7Eo)> wrote:
>snip> > ES: NOW... I want everyone to ponder the
reality of this 6 biljon entities (who are souls)
> Where do they come from? How is this number
increasing? > THIS.....is never EVER questioned in
this group as
> long as I AM part.
>
>LS: Wow, this hasn't come up for discussion? How
astonishing, as this is usually the first reason many
people give for not believing that reincarnation is
possible. How can we recycle souls and still have the
population grow?

Before I deliver the obvious answer, first let me say
a public "thank you" to someone who is known to the
Love/Light Research but unknown to this list,
Stephanie Tsuchida. She introduced me to the Michael
books back in 1999, which changed my life. Then I
stumbled onto DW's website and found the Ra material.
Astounding. More changes. I introduced her to the Ra
material in 2001. She was so interested she did what
I could not afford to do at the time, which was buy
all the Ra books. She is moving to a wonderful new
place on a horse ranch this weekend, and graciously
sent me all her Ra books last week as she had already
read them. I've pretty much got through all of them
now [had only read Book I before], so I feel ever so
much better about my relative ignorance on this list
now.

So, Thank you, Stephanie.

Okay, Eric, here's your answer: according to the Ra
material [Book 4 I believe], there are in fact
entities from other worlds incarnating here at this
time, because of Harvest being so close. Not a lot,
but some. If we recall, the entire populations of
Mars and Maldek had to be relocated here, and this was
probably a lot of entities. Mars is about 2/3rds the
size of earth, and probably not as populous as Earth
is now, but Maldek must have been pretty big to have
created so much debris, which we know as the asteroid
belt. I don't think 6 billion minus 65 million
Wanderers is an outrageous number.

We know that there have to be more than around 5.35bn
entities inhabiting our earth planes, because Ra says
that some of them are presently in 4thD earth right
now. True, the 4thD earth exists more in time/space
than space/time, but this is changing continually as
the birthing process continues. There are also those
that have harvested out already and not yet
incarnated, possibly awaiting the
coming-into-4D-process to be complete, as well as
those in time/space who have recently departed the
physical and are in the reflective/healing period that
happens after death. And let us not forget that our
2D friends can, do and have graduated into 3D and may
well be with us now. I remember reading that Gandalf,
Carla's beloved feline companion, was at the time of
her channeling, according to RA, harvestable. He's
probably not here in human form right now, as we are
so very close to harvest that the senority system is
in high gear now, but he may be in the outer planes,
watching over her.

The bottom line is that, with two planetary bodies
with a population of 3D soul entities in our solar
system alone that needed a place to experience 3D,
there is not a derth of entities to keep us growing.

I think I recall also seeing a question about what
"birthing" means for our earth, entering 4D. This also
brings up the thread of what is a social memory
complex. I'm sure I read in one of the Ra books I
just got that a planet, while certainly conscious up
until 4D, cannot actually intermingle its
consciousness with the entites that inhabit it until
it reaches 4D. Once this happens, it is possible for
a social memory complex to form BETWEEN THE PLANETARY
CONSCIOUSNESS AND THE ENTITIES THAT LIVE WITHIN ITS
PLANES.

Gaia, then, could form an harmonious positive bond
with the positive 4D entities that will be on it when
the harvest is finished. The difficult birthing going
on right now is not a metaphor for an emergence into a
new dimension, but a formation and realization of a
new level of planetary consciousness. Gaia is having
a dark night of the soul also, but her reaching out is
harder because of all the negativity and destruction.
Maybe my wishful dream of an SMC with all these
wonderful 4D entities from Maldek, Mars, Earth and
other places wasn't so wishful after all. Our
populations are heavily blended now, getting more so
all the time, so our joy in diversity is cementing the
diverse groups together after all.

But I've rambled on long enough. I hope I haven't
gotten too many things wrong. I know Jeremy will
correct me, thank goodness... ;-)

~blessings,
lesley



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