Hello!

[cleverspider144]

Hello Everyone,

I'm new to the group and I look forward to sharing in all our
questions, ideas and insights regarding David's Work. I 've just
finished The Divine Cosmos and my head is still buzzing as I try and
distill and integrate. It'll take a few rereads I'm sure.

I do have a couple of simple questons:

1. Will 4D have its own set of 4D plants and 4D animals, or will 2D
plants and animals sync up with 4D the way they do with 3D now? I
know this was probably covered, but i can't remember which it is.

2. How does Deja-vu figure in to the Convergence Multiverse? is it
still just a "glitch" in the synaptic flow or is it a partial/
temporary link up with a parallel moment self?


Thanks for any insight,
L/L -Shawn

[light582003]

Shawn asked:
1. Will 4D have its own set of 4D plants and 4D animals, or will 2D
plants and animals sync up with 4D the way they do with 3D now? I
know this was probably covered, but i can't remember which it is.
2. How does Deja-vu figure in to the Convergence Multiverse? is it
still just a "glitch" in the synaptic flow or is it a partial/
temporary link up with a parallel moment self?


HR:Welcome to the group. I'm fairly new also, so may not be the most
qualified to answer this, but I will make an attempt. I don't recall
this specifically being addressed in TDC. However, it is my
understanding that we "ascend" in order. Thus, 2D becomes 3D, and so
forth. So there are no plants and animals in 4D. As far as Deja-Vu,
can't answer that one. I hope someone in the group can help us
answer that.
L&L -
Helen

[cleverspider144]

>Shawn asked:
1. Will 4D have its own set of 4D plants and 4D animals, or will 2D
plants and animals sync up with 4D the way they do with 3D now?
2. How does Deja-vu figure in to the Convergence Multiverse?

>It is my understanding that we "ascend" in order. Thus, 2D becomes
3D, and so forth. So there are no plants and animals in 4D. As far
as Deja-Vu, can't answer that one. I hope someone in the group can
help us answer that.
L&L -
Helen

>Shawn: 4D has no flora or fauna? That can't be. I know its an
existence where thoughts manifest physicaly fairly quickly, so...i
don't know, i imagine a forest so ther is one, but what is there for
native 4D life besides those who've ascended into 4D? and a planet
in active 4th density can not support 3rd density life
simeltaneously, OK hold on, I just looked it up in the study guide:

DURING THE 4TH DENSITY EXPERIENCE, THE 3RD DENSITY SPHERE IS NOT
USEFUL FOR HABITATION, (presumably by 3rd density beings)

because the early 4th density entity will not know precisely how to
remain undetectable by 3rd density. Thus in 4th density the red,
orange and green energy nexi (centers) of your planet will be
activated while the yellow is in potentiation along with blue and
indigo. (B3, 86)

I'll check first next time. Thanks for your response Helen!

L&L
-Shawn

[David Wilcock]

From: cleverspider144


1. Will 4D have its own set of 4D plants and 4D animals, or will 2D
plants and animals sync up with 4D the way they do with 3D now? I
know this was probably covered, but i can't remember which it is.

DW: I'm not sure that anyone truly knows the answer to that, but when I
have seen higher-density worlds they do very much still have vegetation
and other forms of life. It seems that any organic lifeform is visible
to higher densities, whereas human-made artificial objects may not
maintain their frequency through the shift - hence the importance of
natural stone earth monuments for focusing torsion fields.

The major problem with the idea that 2D plants would work in 4D is that,
in my understanding, 4D is not on the physical surface of the Earth now
but is in an area that we would think of as above the Earth. Perhaps
once the shift is complete, the 4D area will merge with the 3D physical
area and the "up there" will then be higher planes. I'd never thought of
that before, but it wouldn't surprise me.

2. How does Deja-vu figure in to the Convergence Multiverse? is it
still just a "glitch" in the synaptic flow or is it a partial/
temporary link up with a parallel moment self?

DW: Deja-vu becomes less of a mystery when you start paying attention to
their dreams. Most people remember little if any of their dreams, but if
they are adequately reminded of them, the subconscious bleed-through
memory occurs. Someone remembers but doesn't know why. This is generally
what deja-vu is. If you are going to be in an important situation at
some time in the future, you may dream it relatively closely to its
actual parameters, and then when it happens you say "My gosh, I could
have sworn..." et cetera.

Peace be with you -

- David

Thanks for any insight,
L/L -Shawn

[light582003]

DW wrote: "...any organic lifeform is visible to higher densities..."

HR: So...even though 4D may not inhabit the 3D "earth" (because 4D
freely chooses to remain unseen), 4D can still see the lower
densities? Learn something new everyday. I believe(d) that in 4D
there was more of an awareness, not "sight", of lower densities.

DW wrote: "Perhaps....4D area will merge with the 3D..."

HR: Heaven on Earth?

L & L,
Helen

[Stephen Tyman]

Hello Shawn and Helen. Note that minerals (1D), plants & animals (2D) co-exist
with us in 3D. The same can co-exist with 4D. 3D, which requires a veil,
typically does NOT co-exist with 4D, which has capabilities such as telepathy
that are specifically screened from 3D. In 3D the law of free will also
functions as the principle of confusion. This is so profound that we do not
even know who we are while incarnate. I hope this helps. L & L, Stephen


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[Chris Hamilton]

> HR: So...even though 4D may not inhabit the 3D "earth" (because 4D
freely chooses to remain unseen), 4D can still see the lower densities?

Hi Helen,
Yes, just as we in 3D have access to 2D and 1D, when in 4D, one will be able
to access the other 3 d's, at least that's how I see it :) How one "sees" in
4D is up for contemplation I guess :) You know, will we have eyes and mouths
etc. That is probably why I waited on cleverspider's question, because how
4D manifests is something we won't know about until we experience it. Ra
says so too-that they just can't explain some of these things to us
adequately because of our 3D polarity and this is a block in our
understanding. My imagination blossoms here, and I "see" a light body in 4D
that can manifest for itself, but having so much love in positive 4D and
learning loving more, the entities will probably opt for manisfestations
that will benefit all 4D entities-if they all still need to see trees, then
so be it kind of thing. The trees won't be true 2 D in the physical sense,
but "real" nonetheless. Just some of my musings, and by all means, probably
not the only viewpoint either :)

> HR: Heaven on Earth?

Chris: well, if everyone is a positive 4d entity, then that may be a darn
good definition.

[Stephen Tyman]

Hello again, Chris & Helen. Sorry to be behind the curve on this interesting
discussion, which, by the time I chime in, has passed me by. I have been beset
by the Sobig.F worm, which, though I refuse to open it, has offered me the
opportunity no less than 18 times today. It takes a deucedly long time to
download everytime it comes through.
I agree with Chris and David that lower life-forms are perceptible, in the
manner of perception appropriate to the given density, by higher-density life.
And for the most part, the reverse is also true, the exception once again having
to do with 3D, where the veiling creates special circumstances. Densities 5 or
higher will choose to remain unseen to 3D, or, upon rare occasions when
quarantine is to be broken, will permit the seeing in a manner deemed
appropriate to the occasion. This will sometimes involve conquest, sometimes
aid and succour. This flexibility in form is what has given rise to the
'shape-shifting' mythology. Now specifically with regard to 4D, it should be
noted that these entities have typically not evolved so very much beyond us, and
do not yet have the ability to mask their presence to us. Thus they would be as
visible to the general population as you or I. But they nevertheless would
accept as routine certain capabilities that for us yet remain behind the veil.
Thus interaction with 4D entities would in effect constitute infringement on the
veiling function. This in turn inhibits the process of free will
self-determination, which is so central to 3D.
3D is all about making the CHOICE of polarity, whether to serve the self or
serve the other. It has been determined in this sector of the creation that
this choice, being purely a function of will, not of knowledge, is most
efficiently made when knowledge of a great many things is screened off from the
self. Most notably this screening is directed to the self itself. Thus we
typically know not who we are. Not even that we ARE spirits, let alone one of
such a and such a description and such and such a history. Now to be sure, the
veil is indeed permeable, but this is conditioned by the seeking of will, not
the knowing function. That is why what is sometimes called 'faith' plays such a
central role in 3D evolutionary development. A good friend of mine sometimes
describes this phenomenon as 'hanging one's rear end over the cliff'. One
gropes blindly for meaning, to piece together the puzzle, which one brings
together into a sense of what is meaningful and important even though not all
the pieces are available. One searches for ways to communicate and to be
helpful to other souls that nevertheless remain unfathomed. Such is the
essential nature of seeking in 3D. For those who wish to serve others, the open
heart, the pure intention, is the key. So in the end, I really believe it is
just that simple. It's just that it turns out nothing in this life is quite so
difficult as the simple. I yield the soapbox. L & L , Stephen


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[light582003]

Dear Shawn,
Thanks for the questions. Hope you learned as much as I did.

Dear Chris,
Great post, as always. Thanks.

Dear David,
Thank you. I always enjoy reading your insights.

Dear Stephen,
Sorry about your computer. Must be very, very frustrating.
Thank you for your response to our questions. Much to consider.

To find yourself, Think for yourself. - Socrates
You have given me much to think about.

L & L - Helen

[corinnehanley@...>]

Hi everyone, I've just been accepted as a member and would like to
say thank you.

I'm new to all things metaphysical. I'm an avid reader and well, one
thing led to another (doesn't it always) and I found myself engrossed
with David's Devine Cosmos. Read it in a little over 24 hours to my
amazement and haven't stopped thinking of it since. For the past 3-4
months, I've read many other accounts that speak to what David writes
about. Nothing has interested me more! As never before stories about
spirituality, strange phenomena, physics, metaphysics come my way in
such an order, I often wonder whether it's being fed to me directly
from the Cosmos! I haven't stopped reading since early August!

As mentioned before, I am new (or am I?)to this wonderful universal
energy, and would love if the group could point out the best way to
continue my journey.........URLs, books, techniques etc.

Many thanks, I look forward to being part of the group.

Corinne

[Dave M.]

welcome Corinne,

"As never before stories about
spirituality, strange phenomena, physics, metaphysics come my way in
such an order, I often wonder whether it's being fed to me directly
from the Cosmos!"

I would venture to guess that it most assuredly is.

If you haven't read the Ra material yet, I highly recommend it.

L&L,
Dave

[chill2b]

Hi All,

My name is Lindsay. Scanning through the posts reveal a diverse group
of oneness. It is refreshing to find a group of STO polarity to
discuss the LoO and ascension. Participation in group discussion of
this nature has a tremendous potential to generate progress in the
ascent to Oneness. My path parallels many other paths and I'm looking
forward to sharing my experience. The Law of One and Ascension2000
accelerated my lesson plan. I am thankful to those who dedicate their
energy to make such material available. Glad to be here.

Lindsay