What is a Social Memory Complex?

[Jeremy Weiland]

hey stephen:

> social memory kicks in during 4d.

well, i think i see where you're coming from; it's
just that that's not the sense in which i normally use
the term "social memory complex". in book 1 (page
100) ra refers to the 3d german people's collective
unconscious as a "social memory complex" from which
the nazis used thought structures and archetypes to
build an elitist philosophy. however, they are
clearly not using this term in the same way as they do
when they identify themselves/itself as such.

if memory serves me correctly, the vast majority of
their uses of the word "social memory complex" refer
to the typical 6d sort of mind meld identity that
exists between whole groups of entities who have
shared a common experience through soul evolution.
the way i understand it, the 6d social memory complex
is essentially one entity that is the sum total, in
every manner, of its constituent parts. there are no
individuals in the social memory complex, and its
experience and volition is completely unified, as are
its resources. perhaps it is sloppy thinking but i
just tend to associate "social memory complex" with
this quality of identity.

and obviously, this is ra we're talking about -
definitions are by no means hard and fast. :-)

> there will undoubtedly be civilizations where this
> is not yet reliable or stable. example: our own two
> centuries hence?? what 4d can never reliably do is
> conceal itself from 3d. it is for that reason that
> it is incompatible coexisting with 3d, for reasons
> of the law of confusion or free will (we could see
> them). that may have been the passage you were
> thinking of.

no, the passage i'm thinking of is in book 1 on page
147, as ra comments on the messages from michael
channelings. from the study guide
(http://ascension2000.com/ra-section8.htm):

"ra: there are some distortions in the descriptions
of the one known as michael. however, the distortions
have to do primarily with the fact that these entities
are not a social memory complex, but rather a group of
mind/body/spirit complexes dedicated to service. these
entities work together, but are not completely
unified; thus they do not completely see each others
thoughts, feelings and motives. however, their desire
to serve is the 4th dimensional type of desire, thus
melding them into what you might call a brotherhood.
[reference was made to a book, ?road in the sky? by
george hunt williamson and the mention of the elder
race] (b1, 147)"

this does not explicitly show that 4d does not use the
social memory complex idea, but it certainly does
differentiate between the identity of a 4d entity and
that of a 6d entity. since "complex" seems to serve
as a synonym for "entity" in ra's diction (correct me
if i'm blowing smoke here), in this passage at least
they seem to be referring to the unique ability of 6d
entities to identify *consciously* and in a minimally
distorted manner with the social memory of the group
and act and think as a unified whole.

don't mean to be contrary, and if i'm missing
something please let me know. i am intrigued (and a
little wierded-out) that, as you have shown, 6d social
memory identity has its roots in something as
primitive and basic as national identity (taking the
german passage as an example). it'll take a little
brain grease to digest that one... :-)

thanks, stephen, and let me know what you think.

jeremy

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[Stephen Tyman]

well, you are right, jeremy, about your textual reference. i think that the
context there is a little confusing, however. my interpretation: ra means
that hitler is being aided in some fashion by the negative orions
(themselves fourth and fifth density negative social memory complexes) whose
hope is that the nazis will succeed in moving from a social energy complex
(which is what we see everywhere on earth now) to a social memory complex of
a negative sort. that, at least, is the way i would unravel that textual
passage. you have certainly read your text. l & l, stephen
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> hey stephen:
>
> > social memory kicks in during 4d.
>
> well, i think i see where you're coming from; it's
> just that that's not the sense in which i normally use
> the term "social memory complex". in book 1 (page
> 100) ra refers to the 3d german people's collective
> unconscious as a "social memory complex" from which
> the nazis used thought structures and archetypes to
> build an elitist philosophy. however, they are
> clearly not using this term in the same way as they do
> when they identify themselves/itself as such.
>
> if memory serves me correctly, the vast majority of
> their uses of the word "social memory complex" refer
> to the typical 6d sort of mind meld identity that
> exists between whole groups of entities who have
> shared a common experience through soul evolution.
> the way i understand it, the 6d social memory complex
> is essentially one entity that is the sum total, in
> every manner, of its constituent parts. there are no
> individuals in the social memory complex, and its
> experience and volition is completely unified, as are
> its resources. perhaps it is sloppy thinking but i
> just tend to associate "social memory complex" with
> this quality of identity.
>
> and obviously, this is ra we're talking about -
> definitions are by no means hard and fast. :-)
>
> > there will undoubtedly be civilizations where this
> > is not yet reliable or stable. example: our own two
> > centuries hence?? what 4d can never reliably do is
> > conceal itself from 3d. it is for that reason that
> > it is incompatible coexisting with 3d, for reasons
> > of the law of confusion or free will (we could see
> > them). that may have been the passage you were
> > thinking of.
>
> no, the passage i'm thinking of is in book 1 on page
> 147, as ra comments on the messages from michael
> channelings. from the study guide
> (http://ascension2000.com/ra-section8.htm):
>
> "ra: there are some distortions in the descriptions
> of the one known as michael. however, the distortions
> have to do primarily with the fact that these entities
> are not a social memory complex, but rather a group of
> mind/body/spirit complexes dedicated to service. these
> entities work together, but are not completely
> unified; thus they do not completely see each others
> thoughts, feelings and motives. however, their desire
> to serve is the 4th dimensional type of desire, thus
> melding them into what you might call a brotherhood.
> [reference was made to a book, "road in the sky" by
> george hunt williamson and the mention of the elder
> race] (b1, 147)"
>
> this does not explicitly show that 4d does not use the
> social memory complex idea, but it certainly does
> differentiate between the identity of a 4d entity and
> that of a 6d entity. since "complex" seems to serve
> as a synonym for "entity" in ra's diction (correct me
> if i'm blowing smoke here), in this passage at least
> they seem to be referring to the unique ability of 6d
> entities to identify *consciously* and in a minimally
> distorted manner with the social memory of the group
> and act and think as a unified whole.
>
> don't mean to be contrary, and if i'm missing
> something please let me know. i am intrigued (and a
> little wierded-out) that, as you have shown, 6d social
> memory identity has its roots in something as
> primitive and basic as national identity (taking the
> german passage as an example). it'll take a little
> brain grease to digest that one... :-)
>
> thanks, stephen, and let me know what you think.
>
> jeremy
>
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[Jeremy Weiland]

> well, you are right, jeremy, about your textual
> reference.

well, i think you are right, too, stephen. it's just
that the term "social memory complex" is a very open
one. we just have a lot of people here who are
discovering ra for the first time, and discussion on
this point may prevent confusion (but probably won't
:-)

> i think that the context there is a little
> confusing, however. my interpretation: ra means
> that hitler is being aided in some fashion by the
> negative orions (themselves fourth and fifth density

> negative social memory complexes) whose hope is that

> the nazis will succeed in moving from a social
> energy complex (which is what we see everywhere on
> earth now) to a social memory complex of a negative
> sort. that, at least, is the way i would unravel
> that textual passage.

well, let's look at the passage in question
(http://ascension2000.com/ra-section7.htm):

"ra: consider a simple example of bad/good
intentions, namely adolf hitler. the intention was to
presumably unify by choosing the distortion complex
called "elite? (the nazis) from a social memory
complex (the german people) and then enslaving, by
various effects, those who are seen by the distortion
as non-elite. the orion group added to that the
distortion thought of empire (i.e., conquer other
countries). (b1, 100)"

btw, there are certainly people on this list who have
read ra much more than i have (and definately have
understood it better), but the study guide to which
i've been linking is very helpful in pulling out key
points and quotes.

actually, i think you're probably right on this one,
too: the parenthetical clarification for ra's use of
the term "social memory complex" in this context is
most likely erroneous. the embrace of the "elite"
distortion is far more likely to originate in contact
with a negative social memory complex, which would
have more developed and potent thought structures for
hierarchy than a primitive "collective unconscious"
such as the 3d german nation.

it is interesting that it is a form of "social
memory", or this "collective unconscious", that the
nazis tapped into in order to use elitism to
concentrate power. the key to remember, i suppose, is
that the social memory is the raw material to which
the choice of self-service or otherself-service is
offered.

jeremy

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[Stephen Tyman]

i agree with everything you have said here, jeremy. the point you make
about social memory, like the collective unconscious, being a resource is
well taken and merits reflection. l & l, stephen

[Lesley Schultz]

dear jeremy, l/l & peace to all:

--- jeremy weiland <greenlantern113@... (/group/asc2k/post?postid=ylslqnxyjfgdqkwmpkj_kosiqtqjnluwtpgnzj rpc8musrf8ta_z7g-cbhh-cuq6vjul-iuiq_st4p2or1u3iczsoeg)> wrote:
> snip>> it is interesting that it is a form of
"social memory", or this "collective unconscious",
that the nazis tapped into in order to use elitism to
> concentrate power. the key to remember, i suppose,
> is that the social memory is the raw material to
which the choice of self-service or otherself-service
is offered.
>
>ls: it's interesting to imagine how something like a
national identity can evolve into something like a 6d
social memory complex like ra. polisci folks have
been debating for a long time whether or not there is
such a thing as a national identity. is there, for
example, some collection of attitudes, knowledge,
culture, etc. that makes an american recognizable both
abroad and at home? perhaps americans are harder to
categorize, but some nations like germany and italy
and france have been around long enough, and are
culturally homogenious enough, to acquire something
like a national identity.

i think i recall something in the ra material about
racial memory. or did i imagine it? if indeed there
is such a thing, then there may be deep memories about
mars and maldek in peoples today, something like a
racial unconsciousness. ra did say something in my
reading with dw that the variety of humanity on earth
today is a result of these transplantation of other
peoples to earth, in addition to the indigenous folks.
they stated that having these different groups here
has created some chaos in our world, as this is the
exception rather than the rule. on most planets,
there is one dna genome type, which the planet helps
create. what could those deep memories be like, i
wonder, and do they influence today?

i guess my point would be that it would be an
extraordinary thing if the peoples of the earth could
come together into a social memory complex,
eventually, like that of ra. i'm sure it isn't
totally unheard-of, but apparently rather rare.
i wish it could be so, since the great richness of our
diversity, with its collective genius and beauty,
would be a very fine thing. do you think maybe those
of ra are helping us to find a way to come together,
albiet the process is in its infancy, to make one?

wishful thinking, i know. i've read that the vast
majority on this world are to repeat the 3d cycle
somewhere else. but there will be some 4d-ers
here...great things often have small beginnings.

~blessings,
~lesley

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[Chris Hamilton]

jer: well, i think you are right, too, stephen. it's just
> that the term "social memory complex" is a very open
> one. we just have a lot of people here who are
> discovering ra for the first time, and discussion on
> this point may prevent confusion (but probably won't
> :-)

chris: i have found some quotes from book i and book ii which i feel should
clarify "social memory complex". stephen, i think you have a very good idea
of what ra was trying to convey. of course, i'm just a basic gal, so i need
more concrete information and back-up at times, but, hey, that's what this
group is for, and i thank you for getting me to dig, and in that context,
help me understand ra's teachings better. ok, going to book i, session 11
for the definition of "social memory complex":

"ra: i am ra. a mind/body/spirit social complex becomes a social memory
complex when its entire group of entities are of one orientation or seeking.
the group memory lost to the individuals in the roots of the tree of mind
then becomes known to the social complex, thus creating a social memory
complex".

and when ('when' meaning in our perception of change) does this happen? i
found a little in session 38 of book ii:

"q: is it possible for a third-density planet to form a social memory
complex which operates in third-density?

ra: i am ra. it is possible only in the latter or seventh portion of such a
density when entities are harmoniously readying for graduation.

q: could you give me an example [snip]

ra: i am ra. as far as we are aware, there are no negatively oriented third
density social memory complexes. positively oriented social memory complexes
of third density are not unheard of but quite rare. [snip] the social
memory complex is properly a fourth-density phenomenon."

so, stephen, you are 95% correct :) i say that, because there are those
negative entities who will always opt for negativity and the separation it
provides and the entity will remain separate from otherselves. however, even
most of the negative 4d ends up in social memory complexes after the pecking
order (ooo, those words again, sorry guys:) is established. and here ra
describes the negative social memory complex and its entrophic qualities
from book i, session 7:

"ra:[snip] their (negative entity social memory complexes) numbers are
perhaps one-tenth ours at any point in the space/time continuum as the
problem of spiritual entropy causes them to experience constant
disintegration of their social memory complexes."

so, from all of this, i must surmise that a social memory complex can form
in 3d, tho not often. (opinion: with the energetic universal changes we are
experiencing now, these structures may more easily be formed). also that the
4d environment reaches for entities to bond together in agreement and
creates the smc. but there are exceptions-being the negative 4d who resist
group mentality, wanting separation as a negative means to reach one. they
skip green-ray (heart) activity and use the lower energies to catapult to
fifth density. all by themselves, without otherselves. extremely rare, yes,
but in billions of logos, could mean quite a few, at least to us 3d counters
:)

thank you all for listening...stephen for being a good sport, and jeremy i
know will have something to contribute:) love you all, chris

[Stephen Tyman]

hello chris. this is excellent and thorough research, to be sure. a couple of
points further. we are now in the 7th and final portion of 3d here on earth.
one hardly needs to add that we are very far from having come the the stage of a
social memory complex. another way of saying this is that in our case social
energy exchanges have not yet crystallized to the point that a commonly
accessible memory store is available to all. now when this latter event
happens, the veil has essentially been universally penetrated. no mystery of
self to self and shadow of oneself to another remains. private intentions are
therefore fully in the public domain. keep in mind that the veil that has now
been left behind had a legitimate function, namely that of accelerating
polarization. prior to the introduction of the veil (in previous creations,
that is) the possibility of the negative polarity as a modality and carrier of
spiritual evolution beyond 3d was not foreseen. thus it appears that the veil,
whereby the self is temporarily (during the period of incarnation) separate from
knowledge of itself, is a precondition for the negative polarity. once this
polarity is achieved, however, it is possible to move into 4d, 5d, and the first
part of 6d before spiritual entropy catches up to this path and a spontaneous
polarity reversal is effected. it is not the case for the negative path that
4d is skipped. one might get that idea from the fact that the negative polarity
does indeed pass over the fourth chakra (the heart center), attempting to
energize blue & indigo work from the yellow ray center. the analogy, however,
does not carry over into the densities. thus fourth density is indeed the
location of the development of negative social memory complexes as much as it
for the positive. as you point, this development involves the establishment of
the pecking order. one final point: in the case of those few social complexes
that develop group memory in 3d, this is invariably due to an unusually
harmonious atmosphere in their group. in some evolved civilizations disharmony,
very little experienced, is also very little understood. while it may seem odd
from the cauldron of disharmony in which we now stew, this very point is
frequently regarded as a deficiency. thus a good many very positive entities
even now observe the doings upon our humble planet. and some, the wanderers, so
observe from very close proximity indeed. and on a more personal note, your
humble servant would say one thing: ouch! l & l, stephen


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[Tofu Dragon]

hi lesley, group,

what you said got me thinking. when a social memory
complex is formed. can individuals be added into it
later? if all those souls who go on to repeat 3d and
do not become harvestable until after a social memory
complex is formed, i'm wondering if they can join
later. since a social memory complex acts as one
being, i'm not sure. i know i would want those souls
to be able to join because of their experience and a
"kinship" with them as fellow earth incarnates. any
thoughts?

love and light to all...
- lovie =)

ls: wishful thinking, i know. i've read that the vast
> majority on this world are to repeat the 3d cycle
> somewhere else. but there will be some 4d-ers
> here...great things often have small beginnings.


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[Stephen Tyman]

hello tofu. yes, individuals can join a social memory complex later in the
cycle, as they become ready. ra mentions this specifically with regard to two
wanderers who had the misfortune of being harvested to the negative 4d, and had
to work their way back. a warning lurks there, i think. l & l, stephen

> what you said got me thinking. when a social memory
> complex is formed. can individuals be added into it
> later?

[Lesley Schultz]

dear stephen,

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>snip> ra mentions this specifically with regard to
> two wanderers who had the misfortune of being
> harvested to the negative 4d, and had to work their
> way back. a warning lurks there, i think. l & l,
> stephen
>
whoa, stephen, i must have dozed off and missed that
part. or my 40th-year alzheimers is kicking in again.
which book was that one in?

i think i vaguely recall that ra, when explaining why
it was dangerous for carla to continue channeling them
as she had done [6d direct], mentioned that there was
a chance that carla's spirit could be tricked into
negative time/space. this would have made it necessary
"to recapitulate the lessons of the negative
polarity". while all would eventually be well, they
said, it would take a while for her to get back to
where she belonged. a dismal prospect, to be sure, as
sweet carla would not have enjoyed that.

i didn't think that it was possible to get harvested
in the wrong polarity.....the guardians and the
helpers in the harvest are supposedly here to prevent
that. you wouldn't put an orange in an apple barrel
if you're paying attention, i would think.

but what do i know? if i was harvested, before i
don't remember it. i am curious, though: in reading
dw's latest article it almost sounds to me like he's
given up on the idea of an mbe. i may be misreading,
but it seems like he's saying that there are no
shortcuts, no rescues, from the work each of us has to
do. it will be hard and painful work, and no mystical
6d fairy will hit us with their magic wand and presto,
we're 4th d. our sphere is 4d now anyway, it's just
the 3d creaturs on it that are holding up the works.

oh this stuff, it's so complicated...

blessings,
~lesley



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[Tobey Wheelock]

> > ra mentions this specifically with regard to
> > two wanderers who had the misfortune of being
> > harvested to the negative 4d, and had to work their
> > way back. a warning lurks there, i think. l & l,
> > stephen
> >
>
> whoa, stephen, i must have dozed off and missed that
> part. or my 40th-year alzheimers is kicking in again.
> which book was that one in?

hello everyone,

i guess i may as well quit lurking and jump in here. the passage
that stephen is referring to is in book 4, session 89:

"what was the attitude of these two entities after they graduated
into fourth density negative and, the veil being removed, realized
that they had switched polarities?
"i am ra. they were disconcerted.

"then did they continue striving to polarize negatively for a fifth-
density harvest in the negative sense or did they do something else?
"i am ra. they worked with the fourth-density negative for some period
until, within this framework, the previously learned patterns of the
self had been recaptured and the polarity was, with great effort,
reversed. there was a great deal of fourth-density positive work
then to be retraced.

"how is ra aware of this information? by what means does ra know
the precise orientation of these two entities in fourth-density
negative, etc?
"i am ra. these entities joined ra in fourth-density positive for a
portion of the cycle which we experienced."

> i didn't think that it was possible to get harvested
> in the wrong polarity.....the guardians and the
> helpers in the harvest are supposedly here to prevent
> that. you wouldn't put an orange in an apple barrel
> if you're paying attention, i would think.

well, free will is paramount. if positive wanderers choose to
polarize negatively, they are free to do so, i guess.

tobey

[Stephen Tyman]

hello leslie. it is not actually a matter of getting harvested into the wrong
polarity. it is simply the case that one, under the veil, may be deceived about
one's orientation. so it was with regard to the two 'religious' leaders,
wandering on venus during ra's 3d experience. this is mentioned in the session
of 9 june, 1982 (book iv, session # 89, pp. 132-33). these two figures, after
some effort, were able to reverse their polarity back to positive, and to
retrace much of 4d, rejoining ra in the latter portions of that density.
your remarks about the fifth density negative 'friend' attempting to lure
carla into negative time/space are indeed relevant and well taken cautions for
any doing unprotected metaphysical work. for most of us, our greatest
protection is our own ineptitude. it is one of the rare occasions when being a
bungling fool might work to our adavantage. l & l, stephen


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[Stephen Tyman]

oops again. i should read ahead before jumping in. i didn't mean to step on
your contribution, toby, which, had i read it first, would have saved me some
rummaging. i'll get the hang of this e-list thing yet. it is encouraging,
though, to know that there are so many well-informed readers out there. perhaps
the planet is less benighted than it mostly seems in this little nook and
cranny. l & l, stephen


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