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David Wilcock

12-04-2000, 08:03 AM

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>some points to clear up where i believe that this work stands in relation to the discussion now in place. i have no intentions to argue; i simply see that there might be a need forthese pointsto be clarified. after this post i need to plunge headlong into the end-game for completion of ciii, as sabrina leaves for a month-long trip tomorrow,so i will most likely not be participating very much until next year as i now have the opportunity for another necessarily obsessive-compulsive period of 14-hour uninterrupted workdays. i had another very strong dream this morning telling me to drop everything and go for it full-bore; and this is eminently necessary if i am to meet my proposed completion date.
>
>our use of the term 'ascension' refers to a discretely astrophysical event that is set to occur within a reasonable window of linear time in our near future, andthe resultingprocess that will entail for those who are sufficiently positive in their basic core vibrational level at that time. though time is non-linear in the flipside sense of time-space, which does exist for each density, while in a 3d physical space-time body, linear time is real andquantum cycles doprogress at setintervals- and ra indicates this clearly. 
>
>so there is a real linear time event in our real future that is really going to happen, and none of us can truly experience it or know it until it arrives - partially because it involves not only the transformation of the physical body, but also the passage into the violet-ray level to do a *total* soul review for all incarnations in a given major cycle or series of major (25,000-year) cycles;followed bya subsequent decisionfor which density youare then appropriately suited for,all of which iscertainly not the normal process of reincarnation. placement into a new density might also entail the donning of an energetic body that is quite different from the current status as well.
>
>these points are defined clearly in the ra books, which my own sources with all their ongoing psychic "hits" have told me is the only other source i personally need to concern myself with. and it is a lifetime study to assimilate the full contents of all five books.
>
>regarding the most probable number of true dimensions - what ra calls "true color densities." (how many colors in the rainbow before it is (infa) red again?) scientifically, the case for an octave of dimensions is very solid, and mathematically proven. string theorists simply added two extra dimensions to ramanujan's modular functions (see convergence ii) because they did not realize the symmetry that naturally exists in the electromagnetic wave - hence ten dimensions instead of eight. 
>
>in the currently-posted version of ciii we see ample evidence for there being a fluidlike medium throughout space-time; a medium in vibration. the octave is the natural format for all vibrations to be organized within - and this knowledge regarding the octave goes from atlantean knowledge (the hindu octave and chakra system, and thothermes trismestigus' vision of the dragon poimandres who described seven "spheres" of existence to progress through) to almost all major reputable channels in recent times, including walter russell, edgar cayce, gurdjeff, ouspensky, steiner, blavatsky, bailey, ra, et cetera.
>
>secondly, the case for ascension that is being presented on this site is in reference to a specific event in linear time. that is not to say that both the ra material and the wilcock readings do not also refer to the ongoing process of spiritual growth that each of us is participating in every moment; nor does it preclude the correctness of mireheil's statements, as the idea of , "breathe in the ascension in every moment" is a rather common theme that several readings have expressed clearly. 
>
>but there is a very important "but." ra does say that all densities are available in potential to the third-density being; but that being still has a third-density yellow ray chemical body complex. yes, you can obe out of it but you have a physical body! there is still a finite amount of linear time remaining for the collective consciousness of this planet to remain third-density in its vibration - and this is very scientific terminology, not speculation. 
>
>you can claim ascended consciousnessnow, and should, but when your body transforms there will be abilites that become commonplace that now are almost unheard of in even the most intense adepts on the planet. no one, that i know of, can actively levitate, transmute polluted lakes with the wave of a hand, have instantaneous telepathy and even send that telepathy to another person as clear as a bell, have total access to the akashic record to perfectly know anything and everything,transform the body into any shape, perform total spontaneous regrowth of limbs via psychic healing or even rejuvenate a dead body, teleport to any place on earth instantly, et cetera et cetera. 
>
>furthermore, ra states that wanderers could theoretically remember how to do these things, but they "sign" a specific contract that insures that they will not be able to open up these types of abilities while in a human body - because for other third-density humans, it would be a violation of their free will. but if someone here thinks they can do all these things, by all means teleport into my room and show me! my free will can handle it by now - as "nothing's shocking."
>
>what will become far more clear in the newly released version of convergence iii is that we are moving into an area of the galaxy that has distinctly different harmonic and energetic qualities. as we move through these structured vibrations, so does the long-term position of the earth change via precession. we also know that historically when this same cycle has come to completion before, there have been magnetic and / or geological pole shifts. furthermore with the work of cotterell we now see that there are cycles in the sun that correspond with razor-sharp precision to these same cycles. 
>
>new research for ciii shows that there is hard evidence for variations in the density of the aetheric medium throughout space and time, through studies of the true meaning behind "redshift." the burden of proof has now been lifted, to a significant degree.
>
>so as a point of clarification, one can certainly strive for the highest awareness in the time that remains here in third-density bodies - but the main body of work that this site expresses is dealing with a discretely astrophysical event, albeit outside of public scientific awareness, but nevertheless coming our way with very specific outcomes that have been specified by a variety of psychic sources that have proven their accuracy beyond any shadow of doubt. any other definitions of what ascension means are simply falling into a semantic debate regarding other linguistic interpretations of words that have been used to describe the true, ongoing nature of our ongoing return to the oneness: which is soon to experience a sudden, dramatic astrophysical turning point of discrete quantum energetic change that we have hereby defined as "ascension" or what ra calls the "harvest." (and i agree with hoagland that this is not the best word to use, hence i normally do not.)
>
>i am most probably going to prepare a f.a.q. section on the website to handle these sorts of queries, and if anyone has suggestions by all means post them. there's already a few that have been sent to me by certain individuals.
>
>peace be with you -
>
>- david

korga@...

12-04-2000, 01:34 PM

david,

the best of luck in your final leg of completion for ciii. your post i think
did clear up a lot in terms of the
discussion though i must admit i wish you were going to be able to participate
in what i'm certain will be much
more discussion of the topic. generally speaking my views are very much in
accordance with your work though
your work (nor for that matter the work surrounding your work) was not the
source of my ideological beliefs as it
relates to ascension. in fact the conclusions i have come to in my study (which
i admit is really only for me) were
well founded before i even had a concept of ascension and since reading your
work have not been convinced
otherwise but rather found your work in support of my theories even when and
especially when they disagree.
that's the benifit of not believing in anything (bad joke).

at any rate for the others on this list i will admit that i am the contrary. i
do enjoy the discussion here and find
the topic essential in these times of convergence, i just don't believe (can you
find the contradiction in there). my
goal in this... who knows? not me. but because i don't know the goal in my
being contrary don't believe i'm
doing it just to do it. this is not a devil's advocate speaking, because as
much as i hold no beliefs i do believe
in what i say and stand behind my words non-dogmatically. i will not load the
forum with my empty beliefs
(another bad joke) but i will challenge the thought here and am prepared to back
up what i say. in this way may
we all benifit and eventually....

incarnations
korga

Jeremy''s mail

12-04-2000, 04:22 PM

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> thanks for taking time out of your busy schedule once again, david, to personally address concepts when it is neccessary. it's obvious from the discussion that's been going on here that there are a *lot* of very different beliefs and ideas about what ascension is. i think it's good to have this term, at least for this list's purposes, defined on your terms, to prevent the kind of circular discussion that may have been going on.
> since david's work has truly been my first introduction into the concept of ascension and pretty much the whole "octave of dimensions" cosmology and ra and all that, my definition of ascension is david's: a discrete point in linear time where something will happen that will jump start our evolution. i think this kind of strictly limited definition lends itself well to an online discussion and urge others on the list to adhere to this definition of it, so we have some common terms with which to hold a conversation.
> john, much of what you say rings very true, and encompasses much of my personal beliefs. i merely think of ascension as something very definite and tangible. a lot of what i was looking for in our correspondence was a definition of ascension that we could hold in common. now, because this ascension has so much to do with polarization, i guess if we're gonna continue this conversation, we should probably discuss polarization. i'm still very very new at all of this but the concept is important in ra's work. i don't hear a lot about polarization from david but i assume that he has beliefs on it too. in any case, i plan on posting my understanding of polarization very shortly so we can start disagreeing on this topic, too :-)
> have a great week, y'all.
> l/l
> jeremy
>-----original message-----
from: david wilcock <djw333@exis.net>
to: asc2k@egroups.com <asc2k@egroups.com>
date: monday, december 04, 2000 11:04 am
subject: [asc2k] quantum shift


>some points to clear up where i believe that this work stands in relation to the discussion now in place. i have no intentions to argue; i simply see that there might be a need forthese pointsto be clarified. after this post i need to plunge headlong into the end-game for completion of ciii, as sabrina leaves for a month-long trip tomorrow,so i will most likely not be participating very much until next year as i now have the opportunity for another necessarily obsessive-compulsive period of 14-hour uninterrupted workdays. i had another very strong dream this morning telling me to drop everything and go for it full-bore; and this is eminently necessary if i am to meet my proposed completion date.
>
>our use of the term 'ascension' refers to a discretely astrophysical event that is set to occur within a reasonable window of linear time in our near future, andthe resultingprocess that will entail for those who are sufficiently positive in their basic core vibrational level at that time. though time is non-linear in the flipside sense of time-space, which does exist for each density, while in a 3d physical space-time body, linear time is real andquantum cycles doprogress at setintervals- and ra indicates this clearly. 
>
>so there is a real linear time event in our real future that is really going to happen, and none of us can truly experience it or know it until it arrives - partially because it involves not only the transformation of the physical body, but also the passage into the violet-ray level to do a *total* soul review for all incarnations in a given major cycle or series of major (25,000-year) cycles;followed bya subsequent decisionfor which density youare then appropriately suited for,all of which iscertainly not the normal process of reincarnation. placement into a new density might also entail the donning of an energetic body that is quite different from the current status as well.
>
>these points are defined clearly in the ra books, which my own sources with all their ongoing psychic "hits" have told me is the only other source i personally need to concern myself with. and it is a lifetime study to assimilate the full contents of all five books.
>
>regarding the most probable number of true dimensions - what ra calls "true color densities." (how many colors in the rainbow before it is (infa) red again?) scientifically, the case for an octave of dimensions is very solid, and mathematically proven. string theorists simply added two extra dimensions to ramanujan's modular functions (see convergence ii) because they did not realize the symmetry that naturally exists in the electromagnetic wave - hence ten dimensions instead of eight. 
>
>in the currently-posted version of ciii we see ample evidence for there being a fluidlike medium throughout space-time; a medium in vibration. the octave is the natural format for all vibrations to be organized within - and this knowledge regarding the octave goes from atlantean knowledge (the hindu octave and chakra system, and thothermes trismestigus' vision of the dragon poimandres who described seven "spheres" of existence to progress through) to almost all major reputable channels in recent times, including walter russell, edgar cayce, gurdjeff, ouspensky, steiner, blavatsky, bailey, ra, et cetera.
>
>secondly, the case for ascension that is being presented on this site is in reference to a specific event in linear time. that is not to say that both the ra material and the wilcock readings do not also refer to the ongoing process of spiritual growth that each of us is participating in every moment; nor does it preclude the correctness of mireheil's statements, as the idea of , "breathe in the ascension in every moment" is a rather common theme that several readings have expressed clearly. 
>
>but there is a very important "but." ra does say that all densities are available in potential to the third-density being; but that being still has a third-density yellow ray chemical body complex. yes, you can obe out of it but you have a physical body! there is still a finite amount of linear time remaining for the collective consciousness of this planet to remain third-density in its vibration - and this is very scientific terminology, not speculation. 
>
>you can claim ascended consciousnessnow, and should, but when your body transforms there will be abilites that become commonplace that now are almost unheard of in even the most intense adepts on the planet. no one, that i know of, can actively levitate, transmute polluted lakes with the wave of a hand, have instantaneous telepathy and even send that telepathy to another person as clear as a bell, have total access to the akashic record to perfectly know anything and everything,transform the body into any shape, perform total spontaneous regrowth of limbs via psychic healing or even rejuvenate a dead body, teleport to any place on earth instantly, et cetera et cetera. 
>
>furthermore, ra states that wanderers could theoretically remember how to do these things, but they "sign" a specific contract that insures that they will not be able to open up these types of abilities while in a human body - because for other third-density humans, it would be a violation of their free will. but if someone here thinks they can do all these things, by all means teleport into my room and show me! my free will can handle it by now - as "nothing's shocking."
>
>what will become far more clear in the newly released version of convergence iii is that we are moving into an area of the galaxy that has distinctly different harmonic and energetic qualities. as we move through these structured vibrations, so does the long-term position of the earth change via precession. we also know that historically when this same cycle has come to completion before, there have been magnetic and / or geological pole shifts. furthermore with the work of cotterell we now see that there are cycles in the sun that correspond with razor-sharp precision to these same cycles. 
>
>new research for ciii shows that there is hard evidence for variations in the density of the aetheric medium throughout space and time, through studies of the true meaning behind "redshift." the burden of proof has now been lifted, to a significant degree.
>
>so as a point of clarification, one can certainly strive for the highest awareness in the time that remains here in third-density bodies - but the main body of work that this site expresses is dealing with a discretely astrophysical event, albeit outside of public scientific awareness, but nevertheless coming our way with very specific outcomes that have been specified by a variety of psychic sources that have proven their accuracy beyond any shadow of doubt. any other definitions of what ascension means are simply falling into a semantic debate regarding other linguistic interpretations of words that have been used to describe the true, ongoing nature of our ongoing return to the oneness: which is soon to experience a sudden, dramatic astrophysical turning point of discrete quantum energetic change that we have hereby defined as "ascension" or what ra calls the "harvest." (and i agree with hoagland that this is not the best word to use, hence i normally do not.)
>
>i am most probably going to prepare a f.a.q. section on the website to handle these sorts of queries, and if anyone has suggestions by all means post them. there's already a few that have been sent to me by certain individuals.
>
>peace be with you -
>
>- david

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