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Chris
06-24-2003, 07:50 AM
here is more on that rocket launch scheduled tonight from wallops island, va. it
says that tma (trimethylaluminum) they are using to test the atmosphere is
harmless. anyone have more info on tma somewhere?
http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2003/20jun_tmaclouds.htm
Jeremy Weiland
06-24-2003, 12:59 PM
> anyone have more info on tma somewhere?
http://www.eecs.umich.edu/ssel/msds/trimethylaluminum.pdf
http://www.hhmi.org/research/labsafe/lcss/lcss87.html
very interesting development, thanks for bringing it
to our attention, chris.
jeremy
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Chris
06-24-2003, 01:21 PM
very interesting development, thanks for bringing it
to our attention, chris. jeremy
you're welcome jeremy, but after reading those two safety sheets, it brings up
more questions. like, when this stuff is released into the atmosphere, it will
obviously ignite because of the moisture in the air (and that's the reason they
are using it). at this point, is it still harmful or has it burned itself out to
float harmlessly to the ground as aluminum particles? chris
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Jeremy Weiland
06-24-2003, 01:35 PM
> like, when this stuff is released into the
> atmosphere, it will obviously ignite because of the
> moisture in the air (and that's the reason they are
> using it). at this point, is it still harmful or has
> it burned itself out to float harmlessly to the
> ground as aluminum particles? chris
check out the section on the 2nd page of the .pdf
file. it talks about possible toxicity of the
aluminum oxide dust resulting from oxidation.
honestly, though, if one distrusts the intent of the
people doing this experiment (and believe this stuff
is used in "chemtrails") i wouldn't believe any of the
stuff on those fact sheets.
jeremy
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Dave M.
06-24-2003, 07:13 PM
well, we finally get some sort of public admission from a gvm't source (nasa)
that some
chemtrail-like experimentation (using trimethylaluminum) has been going on for
at least 25 years!
tests done in the vicinity of chemtrail fallout have shown significantly
increased levels of
aluminum, as well as barium. so, tma could very likely be a component of the
chemtrail soup, though
it's doubtful it's the only constituent. observations in areas laced with
chemtrail residue are of
a thick, gooey substance that is corrosive (melts paint, etc.), with common
complaints of skin, eye
and nasal irritation and burning, respiratory distress and other symptoms
consistent with tma
exposure:
"highly reactive, pyrophoric substances; corrosive on contact with skin and
eyes.
trimethylaluminum and related alkylaluminum reagents are pyrophoric materials
that can react
explosively with the moisture in tissues, causing severe burns. the heat of
reaction can also ignite
the methane gas generated, resulting in thermal burns. alkylaluminum reagents
are corrosive
substances, and contact is extremely destructive to the eyes, skin, and mucous
membranes. inhalation
of trimethylaluminum and other volatile alkylaluminum compounds may cause severe
damage to the
respiratory tract and can lead to fatal pulmonary edema." (from national
research council)
as for nasa's claim that "tma poses no threat to the public during preparation
on the ground or
during the release in earth's atmosphere." where is the proof for this
assertion? they don't even
site a single study that substantiates this statement. they explain that "the
products of the
reaction, when tma is exposed to air or water, are aluminum oxide, carbon
dioxide and water."
conveniently, they omit other less benign products documented in the literature
such as carbon
monoxide and methane. also they only give products created through exposure to
air and water only,
but what are the reactions with petrochemicals and other organic compounds that
are prevalent in the
atmosphere? such hydrocarbons would likely react with aluminum oxide to produce
tma again, as well
as other, potentially more hazardous compounds. high levels of aluminum has
been found in
alzheimer's patients and children with learning disabilities, so even if only
the minimalist
reactions that nasa claims occur, it is doubtful that it is as "harmless" as
they would like us to
believe. btw, i would suggest chucking your aluminum pots and pans (go with
stainless steel and
glassware instead).
a big difference between what wallops flight facility is doing with rockets and
the more traditional
chemtrails being observed is the altitude of the spraying. the nasa spraying
will be done at 90 km
to 175 km (90 km is about 294,000 ft.) whereas traditional chemtrails are done
between 19,000 and
30,000 ft. in both cases, however, the temperatures are cold enough for tma to
be in a solid state
when the spraying is done (freezing point is 60 deg. f) and to liquefy as it
losses altitude. btw,
tma "spontaneously ignites in air (even as a frozen solid)" according to the
lcss.
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