Q. Time. Past - Present - Future

[adeonekonade]

in all accounts time is an illusion. an effect caused by motion and
change. thus the oscilations of freuqnecy are realy just a flux from
time to time. from past to future and back again. with present
being the middle ground within which resides our current conciousness
of 3rd density.

the one all true being and creator, of which you are a part of exists
outside of time. for one is eternal, all change occurs within, there
is nothing else. you are infact already in vibrational unity with
the one. this you would perceive as your future and your past.. the
alpha and the omega.

this cycle creates the illusion of time, the coming to and going away
from. the inbreath and the out. we can say that our higherself is
the one already in unity, already whole, seperated only by an
illusion, we label time. the the higherself exists outside of this
illusion.

so what are the barriers that prevent the unification of the now self
with the high self?

love and peace..

adeon

[Tony E. P.]

if i understand correctly, the answer to that question is the
observer also known as yourself. for the purposes of learning.

> so what are the barriers that prevent the unification of the now
self
> with the high self?

[Chase747@...]

> so what are the barriers that prevent the unification of the now
self
> with the high self?

self..self sets barriers..self sets up blocks..self removes barriers,,and
self removes blocks or/and turns then into stepping stones..self the only
"sin"..one


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[Paul Kandrah]

it is a terrible burden to try to save the world, and one that
nobody deserves, regardless of where they come from. rather, it is
fruitful to simply fill the light that you are capable of.

believe.

> this cycle creates the illusion of time, the coming to and going
> away from. the inbreath and the out. we can say that our
> higherself is the one already in unity, already whole, seperated
> only by an illusion, we label time. the the higherself exists
> outside of this illusion.
>
> so what are the barriers that prevent the unification of the now
> self with the high self?
> adeon

the momentum of the illusion...

in 3d land at least, momentum/inertia exists. consciousness is an
embodiment, a representation of that inertia, and a fundamental for
continuity to take place. without continuity, time would not
manifest itself. we would be lost in space.

there is a movie that i have not seen yet, about a man who only has
a very short-term memory and cannot remember anything beyond a few
minutes into the past: even his own name. so he carries a camera to
record the soon to be forgotten events in his life, complete with
instruction on "what and why" so he will not forget and put the
camera aside. i cannot remember the name of the movie at this
time.

imagine society without a connection to the past, through the memory
of its people, and through the objects and written language that it
keeps. this is how ways of knowing have been lost, through native
tribes being wiped out, and through the willful forgetting of an
ancient past. (technologies may have been buried for a reason.)

even when we go to 4th density i assume that we will be taking our
experiences from here, if not remembered directly then in
the "cells" of our new refined embodiments. also, if we are
wanderers now, then certainly we now have the memory of our past
lives and densities, at least unconsciously. while time in 3d would
seem to be an illusion to this self-continuity - our own continuity
of experience spanning lives/densities - it does not mean that self-
continuity would not itself be an illusion to something else?
maybe, but that would mean that what 'i am' is "false"...

and it is not: i choose it not to be. ;~)

perhaps it is this choice. we can choose the continuity/illusion of
3d over aspects of self and submit ourselves to the zeitgeist
agreements, or we can choose the continuity of self i am and claim
that, through being.

and perhaps both are illusions. i don't know. i've tried the
zeitgeist path. perhaps now i will try the 'i am' path, see where
that leads me. then maybe other choices will manifest themselves
and i will move on again. after all (is said and done), if i can
dream of it, i can will it into being.

i choose. i believe. i manifest. i see. i refine.

circling in trans density...

l&l,
paul

[Jeremy Weiland]

> so what are the barriers that prevent the
> unification of the now self with the high self?

as i understand it, there are no "barriers" per se.
the identity i claim now of which i am conscious (i.e.
the "now self") *is* one part of the creator, by your
defintion of the creator - i either accept the
definition or i do not.

it seems like what you're asking for is a way to be
*conscious* of this unity, or even grasp the enormity
of the definiton. to understand what it means to be
unified in an absolute sense is obviously difficult
(and purposefully so). in order to begin to
reidentify with your greater nature, you have to ask
yourself what it means to be unified.

others may have very profound ideas on this, but to me
it seems like the more i desire to know what unity
means, the more i study the separation in my life.
that makes sense - if you study your present
existence, you can extract those things that are
transient and extrapolate from that what is
non-transient. simultaneously, you can get a feel for
those principles of your existence that are more
universal. that's why i feel the purpose of the "now
self" is to explore what the unified self is -
relative comparison of constituent parts within unity
is impossible if there are no "separate identities".

of course, there's a great ra quote that i was *just*
reading this morning in book 3 that applies to this
perfectly - but i don't have it with me. it had to do
with the fact that knowing, even subjectively, was
impossible in this density and the best thing to do is
to accept what seems true in the moment and use it to
gain worthwhile experience. or something like that.

thanks for the great topic!

jeremy

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[Jeremy Weiland]

> so what are the barriers that prevent the
> unification of the now self with the high self?

as i understand it, there are no "barriers" per se.
the identity i claim now of which i am conscious (i.e.
the "now self") *is* one part of the creator, by your
defintion of the creator - i either accept the
definition or i do not.

it seems like what you're asking for is a way to be
*conscious* of this unity, or even grasp the enormity
of the definiton. to understand what it means to be
unified in an absolute sense is obviously difficult
(and purposefully so). in order to begin to
reidentify with your greater nature, you have to ask
yourself what it means to be unified.

others may have very profound ideas on this, but to me
it seems like the more i desire to know what unity
means, the more i study the separation in my life.
that makes sense - if you study your present
existence, you can extract those things that are
transient and extrapolate from that what is
non-transient. simultaneously, you can get a feel for
those principles of your existence that are more
universal. that's why i feel the purpose of the "now
self" is to explore what the unified self is -
relative comparison of constituent parts within unity
is impossible if there are no "separate identities".

of course, there's a great ra quote that i was *just*
reading this morning in book 3 that applies to this
perfectly - but i don't have it with me. it had to do
with the fact that knowing, even subjectively, was
impossible in this density and the best thing to do is
to accept what seems true in the moment and use it to
gain worthwhile experience. or something like that.

thanks for the great topic!

jeremy

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[Lesley Schultz]

dearest jeremy, l/l and peace to all:

--- jeremy weiland <greenlantern113@... (/group/asc2k/post?postid=gbepuw44sgshk2a9woi7hlvdholwkxzhfdw2ib gbvsbue2dzusej8xpobehdmqzdg1elva8k9q8fwk81mymbqyxo mqk)> wrote:
> > so what are the barriers that prevent the
> > unification of the now self with the high self?
>
> as i understand it, there are no "barriers" per se.
[snip]

a good response, as was paul k.'s, and a shame to snip
but don't want to get in trouble with the dead text
axman...;-)

when i was a very little girl, i discovered that i
could imprint memories of moments so that in the
future, when a memory trigger was tripped, i could
step back into the moment in which the memory was
made, from wherever i was. like a sort of time warp.
a little later i discovered that i could leave
messages for myself, like that guy from the movie
"memento" [paul, was this the film you were thinking
of?] usually they're thought messages, but they're
like stepping stones in time.

i think i've always known that there is no past,
present and future-- all intersect and overlap. all
you have to do is recognize the possibility.
anyone here experience deja vu? it's exactly like
this, but deja vu can be the present experiencing the
future as well as the past.

remember in the ra books, where they say that the
higher self is the final gift of the 7th density
entity to itself, before it goes into the octave and
the idea of "self" completely vanishes into onenes.
the job of this higher self is to guide and help the
selves on the lower dimensions to find their way, like
a strong wish or a wave of intense love, hurtling
towards the beach of 1st density and then pulling back
into the ocean of one and higher densities.

what i'm having a hard time grasping is that, although
i completely understand that i can communicate with my
other dimensions, i can also communicate with everyone
else in other dimensions also-- and probably do but
don't realize it. this separation stuff is a complete
illusion, even though 3d is mired in it, but this too
is part of the cosmos. experiencing the one as the one
is the entire purpose of why we are here. it's a
process of remembering and re-remembering, the cycle
of infinity of the creator experiencing itself in its
infinite diversity.

memo to self: all is one....

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[Light Eye]

dear friends, "so what are the barriers that prevent the
unification of the now self with the high self?" yes - one of the major
questions. so my first questions are... "why do you (we) feel that there are
barriers? why do you (we) think that what you (we) do, say or think is something
that the creator doesn't? the creator is all and everything is she not? why
wouldn't the creator "wonder" all of these things?, especially since there is
only the now and the now is always changing? the creator has given us nothing
more than "freedom of choice." the question is "what's your choice?" "do my
children as you wish yet know that i am always there. that i allow you your
choices, that i do not judge your actions for you do what you do based upon your
own perception of reality. and i am those realities. i am both the alpha and
omega. i am that which you know as fear and i am love. and know my beloved that
love is all there is. when you realise this you will understand that you and i
are one. that we have never been separate. there is no way that we can be for i
have made you in my image. i will never be far from you though at times you may
feel so very far from me. this is my promise. remember this and live." we love
you. david






lesley schultz <msthoth@... (/group/asc2k/post?postid=mrvvuovbqghkiju9cxyxwvwuxu34aqm8ljjpyi t4swczyrotwa4klnujgiw-dnkj602bqqyrio0)> wrote:dearest jeremy, l/l and peace to all:

--- jeremy weiland <greenlantern113@... (/group/asc2k/post?postid=ikjjdffcoa4_bnhx2asx_bbshhcf2hhmwv-gtlfbtjikpmvtle2_txxrbktrhq9deokvzjw_hbkhsiyv7hhem 8q)> wrote:
> > so what are the barriers that prevent the
> > unification of the now self with the high self?
>
> as i understand it, there are no "barriers" per se.
[snip]

a good response, as was paul k.'s, and a shame to snip
but don't want to get in trouble with the dead text
axman...;-)

when i was a very little girl, i discovered that i
could imprint memories of moments so that in the
future, when a memory trigger was tripped, i could
step back into the moment in which the memory was
made, from wherever i was. like a sort of time warp.
a little later i discovered that i could leave
messages for myself, like that guy from the movie
"memento" [paul, was this the film you were thinking
of?] usually they're thought messages, but they're
like stepping stones in time.

i think i've always known that there is no past,
present and future-- all intersect and overlap. all
you have to do is recognize the possibility.
anyone here experience deja vu? it's exactly like
this, but deja vu can be the present experiencing the
future as well as the past.

remember in the ra books, where they say that the
higher self is the final gift of the 7th density
entity to itself, before it goes into the octave and
the idea of "self" completely vanishes into onenes.
the job of this higher self is to guide and help the
selves on the lower dimensions to find their way, like
a strong wish or a wave of intense love, hurtling
towards the beach of 1st density and then pulling back
into the ocean of one and higher densities.

what i'm having a hard time grasping is that, although
i completely understand that i can communicate with my
other dimensions, i can also communicate with everyone
else in other dimensions also-- and probably do but
don't realize it. this separation stuff is a complete
illusion, even though 3d is mired in it, but this too
is part of the cosmos. experiencing the one as the one
is the entire purpose of why we are here. it's a
process of remembering and re-remembering, the cycle
of infinity of the creator experiencing itself in its
infinite diversity.

memo to self: all is one....

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