Gerardus
04-21-2003, 12:14 PM
>Message: 22
> Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 06:36:19 -0000
> From: "Paul Kandrah" <essent321@... (/group/asc2k/post?postID=qIKst2seHLbwZFWiiSUV6Ep2bDYD7xlQBjvNIr 3AIwn05WOL0xy7JtJ6PDk4D2BM1rifXVFra7fIQqWv)>
>Subject: Re: Love and/or Wisdom
>
>
> > > "Work is love made visible."
> > > Kahlil Gibran
Hello Paul and/or Whoever Else was threading this Needle...
I am just jumping in here and ramble along - so please bear with me:
I agree completely with Gibran and I feel that the entire Universe is WORK.
I see this WORK as an Expression of Love - the Love of the Universe or God,
or Gods, or Mankind if you like, to express themselves. You and I and Others
for example, express ourselves via this forum. That is Work/Love as well,
from where I am looking...
Without any expressions or manifestations of Love - we all would still be
"potentialities" within the Dreamer and/or its Subconsciousness. BTW: I see
God as the Subconsciousness of Creation - and Creation is God as well! It
IS both sides of the Whole Thing! Naturally, this is only my opinion at
this time, and I am sure this will change. In the mean time, regardless of
all my opinions, I realize that I know nothing. Knowing that I know nothing
is the ONLY thing I know...
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> > pat
>
>RA: I am Ra. It is absolutely necessary that an entity consciously
>realize it does NOT understand in order for it to be harvestable.
>Understanding is not of this density. (b1, p156) [emphasis added]
Gerardus here:
I do not know what RA means here. Understand what? How the entire Universe
works? Well, from where I am looking I cannot really understand anything of
any importance! Like, how does each atom keep vibration and/or how does the
entire Universe or Aether maintains its vibrations, so that the Creation is
formed?? Big question Indeed! IOW: What is the Energy that powers the
Vibrator so to speak. Is God this Energy? And where does this Energy come
from? Thinking about this sometimes put me back in a state of wonderment
and then I think - the Whole Universe is a Dream and I am the Dreamer.
I hope that what I am working on what will awaken me...
And yes, this density is about observing I figure. We observe or experience
and then form conclusions and opinions. Then I go back to this: Truth
contains all opinions as possibilities but is neither of them! IOW: Truth
is the Essence or Dreamer We Are - and right now we are human figments in
our own dream. Living Life is the alarm clock?
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>Thus it seems there is a need to 'realize that we do not realize.'
>Ra rarely uses such "absolute" language. It seems that thinking we
>understand may be a barrier to our growth.
Gerardus here:
Thinking we understand is only thinking we understand. Means nothing this
"thinking"! It's only a temporary position. I am sure that Human Nuggets
cannot truly understand the entire show - unless they have an illumination
of some kind. Some people have this they tell us. They then say: what I
understood cannot be put into words. I am sure it cannot be put into words
for words are aspects of the Illusion or Dream we live in. In the mean time
we are forced to take this illusion as real, because it is the only thing we
got. Let's hope it leads us to the Magician...
------------------------
>This does not mean, however, that we should not use any facility
>that we have. We are not inherently stupid creatures. Ra's
>statement only indicates that we should not bring the Mind to the
>forefront. Universal Love, it seems, belongs in that place of
>honor. And it can find its true home... if we remain humble.
Gerardus here:
Now, I do not write all this because I disagree with what I read. I am just
rambling see. The big question here is - what is Love, or what is universal
Love? Is Universal Love bigger somehow? I feel that Love is Understanding in
the first place! I mean here, that we need to understand that all of us are
in the same boat and that all of us are here to figure it out by ourselves.
We live in a "Mobius Loop of Compassion" so to speak, because we cannot help
others that much and certainly not by telling or teaching them things they
did not ask for. We are all miniature Duplicates of the One. IOW: WE ARE
THE ONE - blinded by veils of fog that can only be lifted by experiences and
observations. Means learning to me... and this includes understanding. So
what does RA mean by Understanding? Does He mean something different?
-------------------------
>"Sow a thought, and you reap an act;
>Sow an act, and you reap a habit;
>Sow a habit, and you reap a character;
>Sow a character, and you reap a destiny."
>--Anonymous, 19th century
Gerardus here:
Yes, that's a good one!
From my deep hole in the ground as an observation point - I figure that each
and everyone of us in actuality "creates" the entire universe from scratch -
by means of our own thoughts or realizations. We come to these realizations
by journeying through an Unknown Universal Mind that slowly but surely
becomes known to us, because we become familiar with the Thoughts we issued
in the first place. Being Human so to speak is like catching up or
recognizing our own Home. For that is what I see the Universe as - I see it
as our Home, our Work and our Love - because all we ever meet is ourselves
in different form...
-----------------
Thinking with brotherly love, tuning vibrations,
Paul
Gerardus here:
I'm glad my ramblings brought you to the end of them.
In the mean time, I am pondering this one...
A Life without illusions is not worth living - Gerardus
> Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 06:36:19 -0000
> From: "Paul Kandrah" <essent321@... (/group/asc2k/post?postID=qIKst2seHLbwZFWiiSUV6Ep2bDYD7xlQBjvNIr 3AIwn05WOL0xy7JtJ6PDk4D2BM1rifXVFra7fIQqWv)>
>Subject: Re: Love and/or Wisdom
>
>
> > > "Work is love made visible."
> > > Kahlil Gibran
Hello Paul and/or Whoever Else was threading this Needle...
I am just jumping in here and ramble along - so please bear with me:
I agree completely with Gibran and I feel that the entire Universe is WORK.
I see this WORK as an Expression of Love - the Love of the Universe or God,
or Gods, or Mankind if you like, to express themselves. You and I and Others
for example, express ourselves via this forum. That is Work/Love as well,
from where I am looking...
Without any expressions or manifestations of Love - we all would still be
"potentialities" within the Dreamer and/or its Subconsciousness. BTW: I see
God as the Subconsciousness of Creation - and Creation is God as well! It
IS both sides of the Whole Thing! Naturally, this is only my opinion at
this time, and I am sure this will change. In the mean time, regardless of
all my opinions, I realize that I know nothing. Knowing that I know nothing
is the ONLY thing I know...
-----------------------------
> > pat
>
>RA: I am Ra. It is absolutely necessary that an entity consciously
>realize it does NOT understand in order for it to be harvestable.
>Understanding is not of this density. (b1, p156) [emphasis added]
Gerardus here:
I do not know what RA means here. Understand what? How the entire Universe
works? Well, from where I am looking I cannot really understand anything of
any importance! Like, how does each atom keep vibration and/or how does the
entire Universe or Aether maintains its vibrations, so that the Creation is
formed?? Big question Indeed! IOW: What is the Energy that powers the
Vibrator so to speak. Is God this Energy? And where does this Energy come
from? Thinking about this sometimes put me back in a state of wonderment
and then I think - the Whole Universe is a Dream and I am the Dreamer.
I hope that what I am working on what will awaken me...
And yes, this density is about observing I figure. We observe or experience
and then form conclusions and opinions. Then I go back to this: Truth
contains all opinions as possibilities but is neither of them! IOW: Truth
is the Essence or Dreamer We Are - and right now we are human figments in
our own dream. Living Life is the alarm clock?
----------------------------------
>Thus it seems there is a need to 'realize that we do not realize.'
>Ra rarely uses such "absolute" language. It seems that thinking we
>understand may be a barrier to our growth.
Gerardus here:
Thinking we understand is only thinking we understand. Means nothing this
"thinking"! It's only a temporary position. I am sure that Human Nuggets
cannot truly understand the entire show - unless they have an illumination
of some kind. Some people have this they tell us. They then say: what I
understood cannot be put into words. I am sure it cannot be put into words
for words are aspects of the Illusion or Dream we live in. In the mean time
we are forced to take this illusion as real, because it is the only thing we
got. Let's hope it leads us to the Magician...
------------------------
>This does not mean, however, that we should not use any facility
>that we have. We are not inherently stupid creatures. Ra's
>statement only indicates that we should not bring the Mind to the
>forefront. Universal Love, it seems, belongs in that place of
>honor. And it can find its true home... if we remain humble.
Gerardus here:
Now, I do not write all this because I disagree with what I read. I am just
rambling see. The big question here is - what is Love, or what is universal
Love? Is Universal Love bigger somehow? I feel that Love is Understanding in
the first place! I mean here, that we need to understand that all of us are
in the same boat and that all of us are here to figure it out by ourselves.
We live in a "Mobius Loop of Compassion" so to speak, because we cannot help
others that much and certainly not by telling or teaching them things they
did not ask for. We are all miniature Duplicates of the One. IOW: WE ARE
THE ONE - blinded by veils of fog that can only be lifted by experiences and
observations. Means learning to me... and this includes understanding. So
what does RA mean by Understanding? Does He mean something different?
-------------------------
>"Sow a thought, and you reap an act;
>Sow an act, and you reap a habit;
>Sow a habit, and you reap a character;
>Sow a character, and you reap a destiny."
>--Anonymous, 19th century
Gerardus here:
Yes, that's a good one!
From my deep hole in the ground as an observation point - I figure that each
and everyone of us in actuality "creates" the entire universe from scratch -
by means of our own thoughts or realizations. We come to these realizations
by journeying through an Unknown Universal Mind that slowly but surely
becomes known to us, because we become familiar with the Thoughts we issued
in the first place. Being Human so to speak is like catching up or
recognizing our own Home. For that is what I see the Universe as - I see it
as our Home, our Work and our Love - because all we ever meet is ourselves
in different form...
-----------------
Thinking with brotherly love, tuning vibrations,
Paul
Gerardus here:
I'm glad my ramblings brought you to the end of them.
In the mean time, I am pondering this one...
A Life without illusions is not worth living - Gerardus