Head N Heart...

[Gerardus]

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Subject: Head N Heart

>I hope you can sort of grasp my point...as lately I haven't been able to
>cohesively say what I mean ... my words have been a little airey.... So, I
>agree that martyrdom does end the service...but in the case of Jesus (and
>with Good Friday coming up this week) it brings a new meaning to John 3:16.
>That God (Logos) loved us so much (because we WEREN"T getting it, small
>harvest, not choosing) that he came into the world to SHOW us the
>"compassion extended to its fullest perfection" Love and Light and Happy
>Easter, KYAYBC


Gerardus here:
I have read what RA said about Jesus and his sacrifice. Well, this is what
Ra says and I have great trouble understanding what this sacrifice really
means to me, to us, or to the people in the past and/or to the people in the
future...

Please let me explain: There is no doubt that Jesus the Christ, or a person
similar to that Level of awareness was on earth at one time (Similar stories
however are being told about similar people who lived thousands of years
before Jesus did). Was there really ever a person by that name - Jesus The
Christ? I do not know! My point is, that I was not alive 2000 years ago and
have no personal experiences with or about this Jesus The Christ or anyone
of that Status and Nature. If I believe those teachings and/or stories, it
makes a follower out of me. Even if RA says so! How can one really know
that this story of the sacrifice and/or the crucifixion really took place?

I feel that this is a story that was "planted" on earth and began in order
to "con" people into some kind of a Religion that later became the Roman
Catholic Church and or other Religions. I see all Religions as part of our
present trouble on this earth. They divide instead of unite. I believe
that Religions were "planted" by STS Negative Aliens who feed off our
emotional energies and rituals...

Couldn't it be just a symbolic story that portrays that all human beings on
earth are actually carrying the Matter Cross just by the fact that they as
Souls living in a Matter Reality. Which in and by itself, is a process that
slowly but surely makes Souls gain awareness by means of experiences and
thereby increase their level of awareness to slowly but surely reach a level
of understanding or awareness like the Buddha or Jesus The Christ did OR
persons like them...

For example, is the sacrifice of Jesus of any importance to the average man
on the street, or even to those who believe this story? This is what I
doubt. It is only a Belief! We come here to know - not to believe! What
real value is there in the sacrifice of one's body for people who have not
got a clue what the Purpose of Life is really all about? They were ignorant
masses who chose Barrabas over Jesus as the story goes. The whole story is
a big question to me! Why are sacrifices like this necessary in the first
place if no one asks for them? As the story goes... Jesus put himself in
that position... Why?

Now, (here it comes) it is possible however, that a certain person called
Jesus The Christ was crucified, but that this Jesus The Christ allowed this
to happen to prove to himself so that he could go through the "pain" of it
all, without really suffering!

IOW: the entire crucifixion was a Mind over Matter exercise for self-benefit
in order to proof to himself that he could do this. THAT - yes, I can see
to be of value to the so called Jesus The Christ and to us, people who are
aware that Life is about conquering the Matter Scenario in order to advance
ourselves upon the Awareness Ladder in our infinite existence...

You might not agree with what I say. This is Fine! I do not know what the
actual truth is. My views however are personal opinions and I realize the
following: Truth contains all opinions as possibilities - yet is neither of
them...

- - Gerardus

[johnnypi]

> I feel that this is a story that was "planted" on earth and began
in order to "con" people into some kind of a Religion that later
became the Roman Catholic Church and or other Religions. I see all
Religions as part of our present trouble on this earth. They divide
instead of unite. I believe that Religions were "planted" by STS
Negative Aliens who feed off our emotional energies and rituals...

Gerardus,

I share many misgivings that you have about the arcane nature and
irrelevance of contemporary Christian religion. I also appreciate the
questions you raise about historical records of the life of Christ.
My perspective on the validity & relevance of Christ Consciousness,
however, sharply differs. I cut & pasted excerpts below from Edgar
Cayce readings in order to try to explain why.

[excerpt from EC Reading 364-7, 4/5/1932]
(Q) What was meant by "As in the first Adam sin entered, so in the
last Adam all shall be made alive?"
(A) Adam's entry into the world in the beginning, then, must become
the savior OF the world, as it was committed to his care, "Be thou
fruitful, multiply, and SUBDUE the earth!" Hence Amilius, Adam, the
first Adam, the last Adam, becomes - then - that that is GIVEN the
POWER OVER the earth, and - as in each soul the first to be conquered
is self - then ALL THINGS, conditions and elements, are subject unto
that self! That a universal law, as may be seen in that as may be
demonstrated either in gases that destroy one another by becoming
elements of the same, or that in the mineral or the animal kingdom as
may be found that destroy, or BECOME one WITH the other. Hence, as
Adam given - the SON of God - so he MUST become that that would be
able to take the world, the earth, back to that source from which it
came, and ALL POWER is given in his keeping in the earth, that he has
overcome; self, death, hell and the grave even, become subservient
unto Him THROUGH the conquering of self in that made flesh; for, as
in the beginning was the word, the Word WAS with God, the Word WAS
God, the same was IN the beginning. The Word came and dwelt among
men, the offspring of self in a material world, and the Word OVERCAME
the world - and hence the world BECOMES, then, as the servant of that
that overcame the world!
(Q) Please give the important re-incarnations of Adam in the world's
history.
(A) In the beginning as Amilius, as Adam, as Melchizedek, as Zend, as
Ur as Asaph, as Jesus - Joseph - Jesus.
[end of excerpt from EC Reading 364-7, 4/5/1932]

[excerpt from EC Reading 364-9, 4/28/1932]
(Q) In what country, and in connection with what religion or
philosophy, did Jesus live as Ur?
(A) Ur was rather a land, a place, a city - and the thought, or
intent, or the call was from Ur. Ur, then, as presented or
represented in the experience of Jesus, as one that impelled or
guided those thoughts in that period, or experience.
(Q) What part did Jesus play in any of His reincarnations in the
development of the basic teachings of the following religions and
philosophies? First, Buddhism:
(A) This is just one.
(Q) Mohammedanism, Confucianism, Shintoism, Brahmanism, Platoism,
Judaism.
(A) As has been indicated, the entity - as an entity - influenced
either directly or indirectly all those forms of philosophy or
religious thought that taught God was One.
In the first, as one that associated with - in the meditation or
spirit of - that one guiding same, and those things that have been
added to are much in the same manner that was added to in Judaism.
Whether in Buddhism, Mohammedanism, Confucianism, Platoism, or what -
these have been added to much from that as was given by Jesus in His
walk in Galilee and Judea. In all of these, then, there is that same
impelling spirit. What individuals have done, do do, TO the
principles or the spirit of same - in turning this aside to meet
their OWN immediate needs in material planes, or places has made for
that as becomes an outstanding thing, as a moralist or the head of
any independent religious force or power; for, as has been
given, "Know, O Israel, the Lord thy God is ONE!" whether this is
directing one of the Confucius' thought, Brahman thought, Buddha
thought, Mohammedan thought; these are as teachers or
representatives, or to make more of the distinct change - as was in
that as given by the apostle to the gentiles: "I hear there are
divisions among you. Some say I am Paul, another I am Apollos,
another I am of Caiaphas. Paul may minister, Apollos may have
watered, but it's GOD that gives the increase!" The Spirit of the
Creative Force, and as such the Son represented in the spirit in that
as was made manifest in the earth. Not as ONLY one, but THE only one;
for, as He gave, "He that climbs up any other way is a thief and a
robber." As the Spirit of the Master, the Spirit of the Son, was
manifest - as was given - to each in their respective sphere. As it
is today. As it was of yore. God calls on man everywhere to seek His
face, through that channel that may be blessed by the Spirit of the
Son - in whatever sphere this may take its form. Because there are
contentions, because there is the lack of the giving and taking as to
others' thought, does not change God's attitude one whit; neither
does it make one above another; for, as has been given, there IS ONLY
one - the others are as those acting in the capacity of the thought
that was given to them through that same power, that "In the last
days has He spoken unto us through the Son, as one born out of due
season." We find the same contentions arising in that called in the
present denominationalism, and each one crying, "Lo, here is Christ -
Lo, this is the manner of approach - Lo, unless ye do this or that ye
have no part in Him." "He that loves me will keep my commandments."
What are the comandments? "Thou shalt have no other GOD before me",
and "Love thy neighbor as thyself." In this is builded the whole LAW
and gospel of every age that has said, "There is ONE God!"
(Q) What name was borne by Jesus in His reincarnations in France,
England, America?
(A) Rather these have been as the Spirit of the Christ, or the Master
walked among men, than incarnated in these different countries; for
whether among the priest, as it were, in France - or among the lowly
monk in England, or the warrior bold in America, the SPIRIT that "God
is ONE! Prefer thy neighbor, thy brother, before thyself!" These, as
we find, took possession of - or rather labored with, until their own
PERSONALITIES were laid aside in individuals. Do thou likewise, would
thou have Him walk with thee. "Not my will, O Lord, but thine, be
done in me - this day, now!"
[end of excerpt from EC Reading 364-9, 4/28/1932]

[excerpt from EC Reading 364-13, 11/17/1932]
Jesus came to the earth plane as Amilius, Adam, Melchizedeck, Zend,
Asapha, Joshua, Joseph, and Jesus; and He manifested through many
other great leaders and teachers of other ages. For the Spirit of the
Christ has walked with the priests of France, the lowly monks in
England, the warriors in America. Those labored until their own
personalities were laid aside in individuals.
[end of excerpt from EC Reading 364-13, 11/17/1932]

[excerpt from EC Reading 5749-14, 5/14/1941]
(Q) The ninth problem concerns the proper symbols, or similes, for
the Master, the Christ. Should Jesus be described as the soul who
first went through the cycle of earthly lives to attain perfection,
including perfection in the planetary lives also?
(A) He should be. This is as the man, see?
(Q) Should this be described as a voluntary mission One Who was
already perfected and returned to God, having accomplished His
Oneness in other planes and systems?
(A) Correct.
(Q) Should the Christ-Consciousness be described as the awareness
within each soul, imprinted in pattern on the mind and waiting to be
awakened by the will, of the soul's oneness with God?
(A) Correct. That's the idea exactly!
(Q) Please list the names of the incarnations of the Christ, and of
Jesus, indicating where the development of the man Jesus began.
(A) First, in the beginning, of course; and then as Enoch,
Melchizedek, in the perfection. Then in the earth of Joseph, Joshua,
Jeshua, Jesus.
[end of excerpt from EC Reading 5749-14, 5/14/1941]

Peace & Love, john

[Gerardus]

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> Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 09:02:01 -0000
> From: "johnnypi" <johnnypi@... (/group/asc2k/post?postID=0jS0qXQJrJ6Z3ghGapqLxG0v8O1kf8pU3GrN0u OWIVttlvDO6ZYUVg3ML3_jYO7hLtnBgX7nP3lS-kv0YQ)>
>Subject: Re: Head N Heart...
>
> > I feel that this is a story that was "planted" on earth and began
>in order to "con" people into some kind of a Religion that later
>became the Roman Catholic Church and or other Religions. I see all
>Religions as part of our present trouble on this earth. They divide
>instead of unite. I believe that Religions were "planted" by STS
>Negative Aliens who feed off our emotional energies and rituals...
>
>Gerardus,
>I share many misgivings that you have about the arcane nature and
>irrelevance of contemporary Christian religion. I also appreciate the
>questions you raise about historical records of the life of Christ.
>My perspective on the validity & relevance of Christ Consciousness,
>however, sharply differs. I cut & pasted excerpts below from Edgar
>Cayce readings in order to try to explain why.


Hello John...
Thank you for the quoted test from Edgar. Most likely I read all of it 25
years ago when I more or less began with reading Edgar Cayce books. Most
interesting books, once one gets the hang of the lingo...

I agree with what your quoted text says and here is my short interpretation
of it: "All of us are Jesusses while the Light within is the Christ - the
Essence of Creation". This has been my philosophy for many years. All this
also means, that we actually do not have to know anything more (and
certainly not believe what anyone else says) as long as we know what I just
said and say here again ---> We are the Light awakening to Itself by means
of being Human as we are at this very moment...

Through my studies, I also recognize that there are different stages of
learning and that some of these stages or levels are in either different
densities and/or other worlds. Eventually then, we attain the Level of the
Christ Consciousness. Then we can say: I and the Father are One! At this
very moment however, I also see Oneness in all things and beings of all
levels - because TIL (The Infinite Light) is "All There Is". In addition to
this - all takes place beyond Time and Space - within the Cosmic Mind We Are
- which in its Dreams projects itself into what we call Creation that
contains the infinite figments of Davids, Johns, Gerardusses and all other
Beings and Things...

The Truth contains all opinions as possibilities but it is neither - Gerardus

[johnnypi]

> Gerardus <gerardus@o...> wrote:
I agree with what your quoted text says and here is my short
interpretation of it: "All of us are Jesusses while the Light within
is the Christ - the Essence of Creation". This has been my
philosophy for many years. All this also means, that we actually do
not have to know anything more (and certainly not believe what anyone
else says) as long as we know what I just said and say here again ---
We are the Light awakening to Itself by means of being Human as we
are at this very moment...
Through my studies, I also recognize that there are different stages
of learning and that some of these stages or levels are in either
different densities and/or other worlds. Eventually then, we attain
the Level of the Christ Consciousness. Then we can say: I and the
Father are One! At this very moment however, I also see Oneness in
all things and beings of all levels - because TIL (The Infinite
Light) is "All There Is". In addition to this - all takes place
beyond Time and Space - within the Cosmic Mind We Are - which in its
Dreams projects itself into what we call Creation that contains the
infinite figments of Davids, Johns, Gerardusses and all other Beings
and Things...
The Truth contains all opinions as possibilities but it is neither -
Gerardus >

So if we apply the adage of "a difference is not a difference unless
it really makes a difference" it appears we don't differ sharply
after all, Gerardus. Thanks for sharing a bit of catalyst, too :-)
Peace & Love, john