Atlantean Pole Shift connection

[Tarzan]

korga, et al.,

welcome back, korga.

hmmm, it just struck me while reading your comment about
"the core" movie that it seems to be a twist of atlantean
memories of their own disastrous attempts to pull out the
central codes of life itself by shooting massive energy
beams into the core, which immediately precipitated the
final breakup of atlantis. this atlantean information comes
from drunvalo's flower of life book series.

it seems to me that the movie is tugging on the deep-seated
societal memories of the atlantean disaster and twisting
them around to try to support the current dark one's
attempts to stop/delay the coming pole shift so that they
could try to prevent the inevitable shift into 4-d. i am
certain that the dark ones won't succeed, thanks to our
benevolent guardians who are acting/interceeding on our
behalf to ensure that our shift into 4-d will eventually
succeed.

i can't wait to find out after the fact just how much they
really helped us out--which i think has been huge, given the
massive numbers of people world-wide who are desiring peace
and are against the war in iraq. i am certain that the huge
numbers of people polarizing towards peace has given our
benevolent guardians more power/energy to act/intercede on
our behalf. i bet when in the future we look back to
today's times, that the anti-war protests/peace marches will
have been the events that changed the tides of 3-d history
as we know it. perhaps this is the huge blessing that this
stupid war has created by forcing people to choose what they
wish to see in their lives--war or peace. this energy
certainly fits within the over-all polarization effects of
our mass events.

as i understand it, the pole shift is not metaphorical--it
is a literal, physical, energenic crossing of a central
equilbrium point the mixed boundaries of two layers of very
distinct zones of space/time realities in which such a
crossing greatly accelerates the completion of the shift of
earth and her inhabitants from 3-d into 4-d.

the full completion of the crossing will happen after the
main pole shift when the whole solar system goes through the
"greatest moment of all time" with ol sol going through some
sort of climatic burst of massive energy bursts which fully
closes the history books on the 3-d era as we know it and
fully opens up the new 4-d era, which, in current 3-d terms
of time, would last 31 million years, as opposed to the
relatively brief 75,000-year span of the 3-d era that is now
rapdily drawing to a close.

if my perceptions as shared are distorted, please let me
know. i just wish to perceive the truth as accurately as i
can.

~seth


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[Jason Wharton]

> if my perceptions as shared are distorted, please let me
> know. i just wish to perceive the truth as accurately as i
> can.

much of what you say in principle makes sense but i think it would be wise
to separate out the people who are really contributing to actual peace and
not all the trouble makers trying to hide their own cantankerous and rotten
spirits under the banner of "peace".

regards,
jason wharton

-- we may not have it all together --
-- but together we have it all --

[Erik Strasser]

> if my perceptions as shared are distorted, please let me
> know. i just wish to perceive the truth as accurately as i
> can.

much of what you say in principle makes sense but i think it would be wise
to separate out the people who are really contributing to actual peace and
not all the trouble makers trying to hide their own cantankerous and rotten
spirits under the banner of "peace".

regards,
jason wharton

es: come on jason, dont you know that we are one? that all souls spring from the
infinite one and will return home?
in between leaving home and returning home, entities are growing/remembering.

would you like to judge them of being rotten/cantankerous while
growing/remembering?
and even if (and i strongly disagree) an entity is rotten, it can change the
next moment right?
perhaps you was once rotten yourself and look where you are now :-)


god or the infinte one is all there is.
can it be rotten or cantankerous?

only in illusion to know itself better (lower frequency).
spirits have a soul, a higher self. this higher self is god and never rotten!

l/l, erik.



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[Lesley Schultz]

dearest erik, l/l & peace to all:

--- erik strasser <e.strasser@... (/group/asc2k/post?postid=gcxgprtlp3vm8htxquyybithbs-i6p9yvuadbn2pa-iob6co3p6ibageb81dej89zh8gwbqaz08hshfex8tpew)> wrote:
[snip> only in illusion to know itself better (lower
> frequency).> spirits have a soul, a higher self.
this higher self> is god and never rotten![snip]

of course you're correct, but let's try to remember
that the polarization of 3d [some good, some rotten]
is also important to the process of evolving back to
our common original state of oneness. in other words,
we all remember that we crawled for a while before we
got good at walking. do we feel bad because we had to
do the crawling-thing when we were small? no. it was
just part of our growing-up process. are we impatient
with the babies in our lives [children,
nephews/nieces, etc.] now that are crawling and not
walking? of course not; it's easier to chase the
little darlings down for a quick cuddle when they're
still crawling, after all. so is thinking one group
of people are bad and other groups of people are good.
our job in 3d is to choose our path- sto or sts.
maybe those that are more tempted to paint one group
of people as "bad" are still working through all the
details of their own choices, and we're just listening
in on their internal debate.

i have moments where i hate george bush jr. too, and
all his merry men. it's hard sometimes to remember
that all are one and he plays his role just as gollem
did in "return of the king". without gollem doing
what he does [i'm not spoiling it for those that are
awaiting the movie in december], middle earth would
have been enslaved and darkened forever. judas
iscariot played his role also. he was not a bad man,
and he was not at the wrong place at the wrong time. i
have to remind myself of that, much as i hate the
thought of innocent people dying on all sides.

erik, you're so terrific! thanks for the post.
everyone on this list is indescribably precious.

blessings,
~lesley
>


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> dearest erik, l/l & peace to all:
>
> --- erik strasser <e.strasser@w...> wrote:
> [snip> only in illusion to know itself better (lower
> > frequency).> spirits have a soul, a higher self.

> erik, you're so terrific! thanks for the post.
> everyone on this list is indescribably precious.
>
> blessings,
> ~lesley
> >

i appreciate this whole thread.

i think its wrong to wish ill to come to anyone on either side of the
current war in iraq. so to wish defeat to the american army and
marines is wrong, defeat will come to those who's destiny is to be
defeated.

if at the end of this terrible war, when peace comes, we will be the
better for it. i am convinced that end the end peace will only be
achieved when both sides realize that there has been enough death,
enough hatred and its time to look forward to a time when we need get
along. this is the outcome to which we should focus our prayers and
thoughts.

this is how we need to prepare ourselves for the comming ascension.
it is our responsibility to concern ourselves first for the ascension
of our own soul. if everyone were to do this the comming time will
proceed smoothly. do i understand it correctly?

roger

[Chris Hamilton]

> it is our responsibility to concern ourselves first for the ascension
> of our own soul. if everyone were to do this the comming time will
> proceed smoothly. do i understand it correctly?>
> roger

geez roger, you make this difficult the way you said this :) most important
thing i will say here (and others have said it before on the ra theme), is
that when you serve yourself , you do serve others, but what is your
purpose? love is a wonderful vibration that we all try to attain unless we
are unfeeling (an sts orientaion imo). another thing is that i feel we have
already determined personally whether or not our individual 3d id will
ascend or not thru reincarnation. sooo, "proceeding smoothly" is a relative
term to you. what do you think is "proceeding smoothing"? smile....see how
words require more words? good thread roger :) love you, chris

[Paul Kandrah]

> i have moments where i hate george bush jr. too, and
> all his merry men. it's hard sometimes to remember
> that all are one and he plays his role just as gollem
> did in "return of the king". without gollem doing
> what he does [i'm not spoiling it for those that are
> awaiting the movie in december], middle earth would
> have been enslaved and darkened forever. judas
> iscariot played his role also. he was not a bad man,
> and he was not at the wrong place at the wrong time. i
> have to remind myself of that, much as i hate the
> thought of innocent people dying on all sides.
> ~lesley

to take this thought to the next level, i think an idea of victor
schauberger, the austrian environmentalist and new science "water
magician" of the first half of this century, is a relevant
parallel. he saw back then how the lifeless way science approached
nature was denuding our planet of its capacity to support humanity.
during the economic collapse of germany between the world wars he
saw many of the forest cut down ruthlessly in the desire for money
at any cost. this type of thinking he saw as a cancer, where people
where willing to take as much as they could to keep their world-
concept-reality intact.

we know that cancer is a series of cells that grow abnormally so as
to eventually take over the body until it sickens and collapses. in
schauberger's case the body is the earth, and the cells are they
need/fear that arises throughout our society, stemming from the sts
power mentality that has been nurtured throughout history. a
slightly more expansive view of the body would be the notion of
humanities possibilities in a cosmic world of mass enlightenment -
or ascension.

any type of cell is life, it is true, but when cancer invades our
body we must do something about it, or the body will perish,
eventually. there are many techniques the healer can suggest.
probably the most potent is to change the way we are thinking, into
a holistic or unity paradigm, which is effective because our body
does stem from mind, ultimately. but we also have treatments, such
as chemotherapy, where the body is basically subjugated to poisons
in the hope that the cancer cells will die before the body itself.
in many ways i see this paradigm encapsulating the earth changes we
are now seeing: it is standard knowledge that we have already
surpassed the rate of species destruction seen by the dinosaurs, and
perhaps many more changes are in order such as pole shifts that are
anticipated here, along with the many prophesies of end-times.

what we are presently, as humanity, is merely the summation of all
the thoughts that we have had leading up to this point. the cancer
is merely in the way we think. when we are charged with negativity,
fear, hate, denial, etc, we burden ourselves, and all the
connections we have with the universe (whether we realize that they
are there or not).

the first thing that must occur is the realization that we are
sick. then we can endeavor to determine our chosen forms of
healing, for it is definitely true that each and every one of us are
a part, a cell, that can choose the way we are. this healing
process on an individual level is not a given however, for as the
manipulators know, a frog in a pot that is heated very slowly will
not jump out.

the general question is for anybody and everybody is, "do i know
what that pot is?" unfortunately most people do not. thankfully,
some here do, more or less.

it is so very interesting how this entire process is linked to
ascension.

love and respect,

paul

[Jason Wharton]

> es: come on jason, dont you know that we are one?

if the one has a scratch, it gets itched.

> that all souls spring from the infinite one and will return home?

isn't this beside my point?

> in between leaving home and returning home, entities are
growing/remembering.

sure, some chose a path of love and others miss it entirely. what is your
preference? if you knew it was another's preference to chose a path of love
and peace, and you saw them acting entirely contrary to that, wouldn't you
be concerned for them?

> would you like to judge them of being rotten/cantankerous while
growing/remembering?

i am recalling a personal experience i had with a group of anti-war
demonstrators. i work in downtown phoenix and had occasion to walk through
an area where a demonstration was going on. there were others there too who
chose to sing hymns of our nation as their voice. they weren't explicitly
stating a pro, or a con regarding the war, just their allegiance to their
country. the anti-war demonstrators became very vile and hateful towards
them getting up in their faces with mega-phones shouting filthy words
designed to engender hatred in these people. i know very clearly the cycles
of hate and they were in their element passing it on as clear as day. this
wasn't such a difficult conclusion in this case but you are welcome to think
i judged them, only please understand i had a first-hand experience.

> and even if (and i strongly disagree) an entity is rotten, it can change
the next moment right?

i believe in the possibility of human transformation. there isn't a person
there in the demonstration i wouldn't love an opportunity to sit down with
and discuss matters of concern to them and to be a clearing for them to
communicate freely as long as they were also willing to allow me the same
privilege.

> perhaps you was once rotten yourself and look where you are now :-)

i'll be the first to admit i have my own rotten-ness. but when i see a
spectacle as blatantly as i did that one day, i have to ask myself if it is
peace these people really want. and if it is, why on earth would they be
driven by such vile and vulgar methods? there is a definite hypocrisy that i
detect and this is what i am speaking about.

what's your take on it from your limited perspective?
how would you have reacted in a similar setting?

regards,
jason wharton
cps - computer programming solutions
mesa arizona
http://www.ibobjects.com

-- we may not have it all together --
-- but together we have it all --

[Erik Strasser]

i'll be the first to admit i have my own rotten-ness. but when i see a
spectacle as blatantly as i did that one day, i have to ask myself if it is
peace these people really want. and if it is, why on earth would they be
driven by such vile and vulgar methods? there is a definite hypocrisy that i
detect and this is what i am speaking about.

what's your take on it from your limited perspective?
how would you have reacted in a similar setting?

regards,
jason wharton

es: i already gave my limited perspective, which is based on the law of one,
ra-material.
it was well intended.
love you, erik.





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[adeonekonade]

dear paul and group,

i love victors work also, he was indeed a man of great insight and a
lover of nature. (you have ot be to develop the ideas he presented).
the liking of man kind to a cancer on the planet is quite common, and
following on the harmonic principles of the law of one, this "cancer"
attitude would extend down in to our human population.

i thankfully have never lost anyone to cancer. although i have had
friends who have had it and were "cured". i study qigong and in all
these cases of friends i performed remote healing techniques and i am
confident the energy provided assisted in the recovery process.
studies on qigong done in china (where it originated from times way
back) have proven that these techniques are more beneficial than
medical treatment alone. combined with medical treatment its two
fold great. =) qigong is used extensivley by the chinese medical
association. i have realy been blessed to experience some amazing
things. my most vivid recollection was being half asleep in my bed
one night and being sucke dout of my body astraly to the local
childrens hospital, where a young child suffering from luekemia was
praying in his bed (about 2am) beside him was a bright spirit which
to me was jesus. i instively performed a healing technique on him
and have never felt such amazing energy flows in all my practice.
the next day i couldnt help it, i went to the hospital (never been
there before) and found the child within 5 minutes, like i was on
auto pilot. i just knew where to go. i met the family (said nothing
about this experience to them) and kept in contact. he was in very
bad condition and they were all quite upset. amazingly =) he had a
remarkable and sudden recovery, and wihtin two weeks was up out of
bed dancing around like a little child should be. i still keep him
in my thoughts and prayers. last time i saw him we played computer
games together, a much better sight than laying in a sick bed full of
tubes..

so how does qigong and dealing with cancer relate to accension? the
method best used in qigong combines visualisation with energy
channeling (like reiki) in that you always visulaise the patient as
holy, healthy and radiantly pure, you do your best to establish
a "love" connection with them on the highest level, then focus the
energy flow to them or the effected part of the body. if the person
is in a receive mode, then the energy flow is much stronger. i.e. if
they have faith.. which i think in the case of my little friend, was
very strong and included the assistance from my favorite ascended
master =)

and jesus said to his diciples "go forth and preach the good news to
the nations.. that the kingdom of god approaches!!"

here we have a collective vision, just like in qigong healing we need
every cell in the body to resonate with a strong vision. and in our
communal vision it is the "kingdom of god, or 4th density, or the
return of the golden era, the return of buddha, krishna, jesus and
peace on earth.. etc." this was the good news. not the scriptures
themselves. and this is vital in our global healing.. to get that
vision into the minds of people, to make them want it so bad that
they make it happen in there own lives.. just like on a cellular
level they turn from "cancerous" intentions to the group unified
intentions.

the definition of "satan" in hebrew is "rebel" jews dont believe in a
satan,/ evil. but take it to be the rebelious spirit of mankind
existing out of unity with god. just like a "cancer" rebels against
the body and takes its own path on a cellular level.

so how to you turn a "rebel" into an "angel"? i believe the answer
lies in love.. everything grows acording to gods plan, if you feed it
love. love is like a magnet, it makes things work together,
synchronisticly etc. on a cellular level i believe the cells respond
to the energy, they now have a reason to be part of the body an
dunify. to do so, means they recieve the love, and by recieving the
love they go from rebel to angel.

just like on the global scale we say uncondtional love is the key..
as jesus said.. "all the law of the prophets can be summed up as
thus.. love god with all your heart body and mind, and love your
neighbour as yourself.. on this hangs the whole law." accompanying
that we have faith.. "faith in the vision.. and faith in loves power
to transform..."

once we have these two factors, then the energies of the cosmos will
respond, our rebelious natures will be quelled not with a dictorial,
judgement day, but a love we have to respond to. each person around
the word calling down the love of god in prayer, energy work,
mediation etc is all having a great effect. this is what we are
feeling now, this the positive polarisation process. if we respond,
we feel the love, we feel it more and more every day, we make changes
in our lives, we learn to love more and more and to serve each other
faithfully.. if we deny it, we cut ourselves off further and further
from unity, embracing another path, which ultimately leads to
destruction, "grave" (hebrew "hell") and rebirth as a new form in
another space-time..

it will certainly be interesting to see how this all plays out, when
it all plays out and in what exact form it will take. one thing is
certain though, the love you hold in your heart for "god(unity),
yourself and your neighbour" will detemrine everything..

so we are both the cancer and the cure.. we are the ones we have been
waiting for. we are each the christ, we are the second coming in the
flesh as the christ conciousness is the spirit of it. we are our own,
judge, jury and saviour, or executioner. the very role of christ in
the book of revelations.. so it will be..


love and peace..

adeon




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>
> > i have moments where i hate george bush jr. too, and
> > all his merry men. it's hard sometimes to remember
> > that all are one and he plays his role just as gollem
> > did in "return of the king". without gollem doing
> > what he does [i'm not spoiling it for those that are
> > awaiting the movie in december], middle earth would
> > have been enslaved and darkened forever. judas
> > iscariot played his role also. he was not a bad man,
> > and he was not at the wrong place at the wrong time. i
> > have to remind myself of that, much as i hate the
> > thought of innocent people dying on all sides.
> > ~lesley
>
> to take this thought to the next level, i think an idea of victor
> schauberger, the austrian environmentalist and new science "water
> magician" of the first half of this century, is a relevant
> parallel. he saw back then how the lifeless way science approached
> nature was denuding our planet of its capacity to support
humanity.
> during the economic collapse of germany between the world wars he
> saw many of the forest cut down ruthlessly in the desire for money
> at any cost. this type of thinking he saw as a cancer, where
people
> where willing to take as much as they could to keep their world-
> concept-reality intact.
>
> we know that cancer is a series of cells that grow abnormally so as
> to eventually take over the body until it sickens and collapses.
in
> schauberger's case the body is the earth, and the cells are they
> need/fear that arises throughout our society, stemming from the sts
> power mentality that has been nurtured throughout history.