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Rhonda Greif
11-30-2000, 01:13 PM
Namaste.. This is my first post here, please forgive errors or
transgressions. Howdy from Ft Worth, Texas. Finding this site has
been a blessing - the RA studies are excellent & IMHO, the "real
thing!" Joined this board over a month ago but have been in a real
time crunch w/ major chemtrails research... so, I recently copied all
the discussions into my files to print out & read offline -- am now
just getting caught up but why no more emails coming in from the
board? Have had none since Thanksgiving - has the site been hacked or
??? Read that Hoagland's site currently down due to disc problems &
is being reloaded.

Like most of y'all, I seek the path to God enlightenment, self
realization, the clear void... lots of suffering, ups & downs,
disillusion, wrong turns - all natural experiencing of the illusory
path in getting there. The reason I jumped in now to finally make
'contact' is the following reference to FIRE & EARTHCHANGES from
David Wilcock's post on ll/18 really caught my attention:

>obviously this one was well-timed, as here I was just reading an
article and spontaneously got the urge to look up the word
"Gondharva" to see if anyone had written about it on the Net. It is
supposed to be a "fire" that causes Earth Changes at the end of a
major cycle, according to the Hindu Vedas. It is documented in the
book "Gods and Spacemen of the Ancient East" by W. Raymond Drake.<

Well, without trying to get complicated or intending ego, I have
spent many years seriously studying as many things about God as
possible.. trying to learn of all ancient indigenous cultures &
practices, spirituality, religions, etc. Anybody familiar with
Mahavatar Babaji of Yogananda's "Autobiography of a Yogi"? Well, He
directed me to His form of Shri Haidakhan Babaji (manifest in
Haidakhan, India, from 1970 to 1984). The way this happened is a real
cosmic/magic story I will gladly share if anyone wants to hear it -
just let me know.

Sri Babaji has taught much about the coming time of destruction...
the "MAHAKRANTI" purification as prophesied by many spirit traditions
of native peoples -Hopi, Tibetan, Mayan, etc. (I will post these
prophecies if any desire such information). And yes, there has been a
big emphasis on fire cleansing... my understanding is that He will be
manifest in His aspect of "Lord SIVA" the destroyer of old &
regeneration of new when this takes place.

Oh wow.. just now, while writing the paragraph above, an email of his
teachings arrived - I paused to read it - included this statement
"When the time comes, you will have to walk through fire and water."
A big Hmmmmm.... (I have copied the whole message at bottom - it was
sent by Marge DeVivo who coordinates one of His primary websites,
Babaji.net: http://www.babaji.net/home.html )

Am listing below more related teachings Sri Babaji gave on this time
of "Great Destruction" He spoke of:
= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =

"In order not to provoke Me, you must be quiet at the time of
catastrophe. You must concentrate on Om Namah Shivaya. With this
mantra you can win everything, because it is stronger than all the
bombs.

Babaji mentioned the freedom spoken of and promised by politicians.
Then He said, in effect: "Theirs is no freedom at all. If you work
and are worthy. I shall show you freedom greater than you have ever
dreamed."
= = = = = = = = = = = = = =

26 JULY 1979 (Herakhan)--Some important observations made by Sri
Babaji on the future world events:

The change of the present which is full of turmoil, will be brought
about by bloody revolution. Peace will return only after the
revolution reaches its zenith.

In the aftermath of the revolution-which will be total, no country
will be spared big or small-some countries will be totally erased,
leaving no sign of their existence.

In some 3% to 5% and up to maximum of 25% of the population will be
spared and will survive.

The destruction will be brought about by earthquakes, floods,
accidents, collisions and wars.

The destructive elements which were kept in check by Sri Babaji
have been released to do their worst.

Those who pray to their chosen divinity will not be affected.
= = = = = = = = = = = = =

28 JULY 1979 (Herakhan)
Giving reference to his earlier prediction Shri Babaji foretold that
the revolution (like a scythe) will be total and will be from one end
of the world to another. Revolution spoken about on 26-7-1979, will
increase in tempo, and will reach its culmination point. It will not
be confined to any particular country, but the whole world will be
engulfed, big and small countries alike.

People today are full of misery and unhappiness. Misery and
unhappiness is not confined to the poor, but rich people are affected
too; All are suffering from difficulties, misery, and unhappiness.
The leaders of all countries are busy safeguarding their positions
and have totally ignored their people's needs and interests. These
leaders are misguiding the public. There is complete insecurity.
There is no safety of person or property. New leaders are being
trained and prepared to take over from the (corrupt) leaders who will
restore just and proper order and bring peace.

At present, demonic influences have engulfed men. Man will fight and
devour men and they will destroy each other. First, destruction will
take place, then a lull and then peace will prevail. Some of the
countries will be completely destroyed. Prayer will be the only
safeguard and saviors against destruction. Forget past and future,
abolish all other thoughts, but pray with total concentration of mind
and soul and have full faith in God. Chant OM NAMAH SHIVAYA and you
can defy death. Have no thought about your life and death. No evil
influence will ever come near you if you pray with purity of
heart and mind and with all faith and concentration."
= = = = = = = = = = = = = = =

(from book, I AM HARMONY by Radhe Shyam )
Babaji often spoke an ancient saying: "Pinda kacha, shabda sacha."
The body is perishable: the Word is eternal." He elaborated on this
theme frequently.

"The fact is.. everything in this world is.. transient. It has no
"reality." True reality is to proceed on the Path of Truth, to keep
the company of saintly people, and to render service to men."

"Leaving behind the fear of death and the hope of life, you must
advance. You should not be afraid of fire and water. When the need
arises, we will have to jump into the ocean: when the time comes, we
must be prepared to jump into the fire. That is why all of you must be
as firm as Mount Meru."
= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =

Last is this email message that came while composing this post as
mentioned previously... message was probably taken from either "I AM
HARMONY" or "TEACHINGS OF BABAJI".
------------------------------------
"Now everyone feels insecure. I want to raise the character of man so
high that people as different as the lion and the goat can live
together without jealousy or hatred - only in love.

"Kindle the Light in yourself, then kindle It in others - one by one.
Just as when the lamp burns it consumes oil, so this Light will
consume idleness, laziness, greed.

"Your duty is to spread my message and bring people to the level of
humanity, rather than their animal level."

"You all think devotion is fun. Some day you will have to jump
without fear of life or death; then you will be able to make
progress. When the time comes, you will have to walk through fire and
water."

"Only the man of courage can live through this time.

"Like spreading light by lighting one candle from another all around
a room, so we should spread love from heart to heart.

"You must all walk in the Path of Truth and give right teachings and
instructions to the world. Everyone should walk the Path of Truth and
teach family, and friends, and all."
Shri Maha Prabhuji says: PHURO!! Jai Maha Maya Ki Jai!!
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++

I sincerely pray that this sharing of information & teachings brings
benefit to others & generates much wisdom compassion throughout all
Creation. OM AH HUM VAJRA GURU PADMA SIDDHI HUM - HRIH
Truth, Simplicity, Love, and Service to others
Blessings - rhonda

David Wilcock
11-30-2000, 11:58 PM
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><font face="Arial" size="2">I encourage others besides myself to participate and weigh in on this or other letters, as she raises some interesting points. Hoagland and I have been in regular communication lately and he did tell me that the server MIGHT have been hacked. However, at this point I am not yet an official member of Enterprise Mission, though that will probably change very soon - his latest article had credit given to contributors. So if Hoagland's website goes down, that doesn't affect any of my operations directly. Mike Bara's Email box is maxed out from all this but we've been in close contact as well.</font>
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><font face="Arial" size="2">I noticed that it dried up around here after the negative Estes post and then my subsequent indication that I didn't want to release the book contents until it was entirely finished so that there would be no benefit for the "boys" to make me an "expediency." The best way to do this is to release it all at once as a finished product. However, the "boys"are totally overwhelmed with this information coming out and it is virtually impossible for them to even begin to harass everyone. So the idea that anyone participating on this list is in any danger is really quite silly. Even Hoagland, with the harassment that he has been through right up to the recent event, still continues along. The tap on my phone has been pretty infrequent lately - and "they" hung up within two minutes of my most recent call to Rod! (See below about Rod. The hang-up is a loud click that actually shows up on the lighted phone dial - they black out and you go, "Hello? Hello?" before it comes back on.)And as soon as my book is finished I'll be mailing out some freebie CDs to those who are willing to be caretakers of the material- and former clients will be the priorities on that list.</font>
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><font face="Arial" size="2">You'll notice Rod Johnson on the list here. Don't let the complex language fool you; he does know what he's talking about. (My best successes have come from transcribing what he says on the phone and asking questions.) His work is of great importance to my own and the new version of the book will have a lot of his material worked into it, right from the second chapter onward, it looks like. It was only yesterday ( ! ) three or so hours after I finished re-reading a phone transcript, that I finally, trulyunderstood what he's talking about - after numerous Emails, hundreds of pages of written and graphic material to study and hour after hour of talk-time on the telephone. Forget the particle model - this is reconstructing atoms and molecules SOLELY with sacred geometry.</font>
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><font face="Arial" size="2">My understanding regarding the "Gondharva fire" is that it represents an energetic "outgassing" if you will from the sun, which could appear to be a huge CME. It is important to remember, when discussing anything pertaining to Earth Changes, that as long as you make the "minimum grade" of above 50% desire to be of service to others rather than service to self, you are "Ascension compatible" and will phase-shift before these changes hit town. You will be aware that they happened, but they will not hurt you. Although these ideas sound quite fanciful at first glance, when we reconstruct the universe from sacred-geometry phase-waves instead of particles, a lot more makes sense. Rod's model explains precisely why the octahedron is the third density, something I never really understood. I'm really excited about this but I can't say too much too quickly - suffice it to say that our existence is the result of a perpetual balance between two densities - the third and fourth. The "cracks in between" the geometries, so to speak, form the pathways that energy flows through, which we erroneously interpreted as point particles. This new stuff will blow you away once it's finished! </font>
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><font face="Arial" size="2">Peace be with you -</font>
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><font face="Arial" size="2">- David</font>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black">From: Rhonda Greif (rhondagreif@hotmail.com)
style="FONT: 10pt arial">To: asc2k@egroups.com
style="FONT: 10pt arial">Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2000 3:13 PM
style="FONT: 10pt arial">Subject: [asc2k] Fire - Earthchanges
>
<tt>Namaste.. This is my first post here, please forgive errors or
transgressions. Howdy from Ft Worth, Texas. Finding this site has
been a blessing - the RA studies are excellent & IMHO, the "real
thing!" Joined this board over a month ago but have been in a real
time crunch w/ major chemtrails research... so, I recently copied all
the discussions into my files to print out & read offline -- am now
just getting caught up but why no more emails coming in from the
board? Have had none since Thanksgiving - has the site been hacked or
??? Read that Hoagland's site currently down due to disc problems &
is being reloaded.

Like most of y'all, I seek the path to God enlightenment, self
realization, the clear void... lots of suffering, ups & downs,
disillusion, wrong turns - all natural experiencing of the illusory
path in getting there. The reason I jumped in now to finally make
'contact' is the following reference to FIRE & EARTHCHANGES from
David Wilcock's post on ll/18 really caught my attention:

>obviously this one was well-timed, as here I was just reading an
article and spontaneously got the urge to look up the word
"Gondharva" to see if anyone had written about it on the Net. It is
supposed to be a "fire" that causes Earth Changes at the end of a
major cycle, according to the Hindu Vedas. It is documented in the
book "Gods and Spacemen of the Ancient East" by W. Raymond Drake.<

Well, without trying to get complicated or intending ego, I have
spent many years seriously studying as many things about God as
possible.. trying to learn of all ancient indigenous cultures &
practices, spirituality, religions, etc. Anybody familiar with
Mahavatar Babaji of Yogananda's "Autobiography of a Yogi"? Well, He
directed me to His form of Shri Haidakhan Babaji (manifest in
Haidakhan, India, from 1970 to 1984). The way this happened is a real
cosmic/magic story I will gladly share if anyone wants to hear it -
just let me know.

Sri Babaji has taught much about the coming time of destruction...
the "MAHAKRANTI" purification as prophesied by many spirit traditions
of native peoples -Hopi, Tibetan, Mayan, etc. (I will post these
prophecies if any desire such information). And yes, there has been a
big emphasis on fire cleansing... my understanding is that He will be
manifest in His aspect of "Lord SIVA" the destroyer of old &
regeneration of new when this takes place.

Oh wow.. just now, while writing the paragraph above, an email of his
teachings arrived - I paused to read it - included this statement
"When the time comes, you will have to walk through fire and water."
A big Hmmmmm.... (I have copied the whole message at bottom - it was
sent by Marge DeVivo who coordinates one of His primary websites,
Babaji.net: http://www.babaji.net/home.html )

Am listing below more related teachings Sri Babaji gave on this time
of "Great Destruction" He spoke of:
= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =

"In order not to provoke Me, you must be quiet at the time of
catastrophe. You must concentrate on Om Namah Shivaya. With this
mantra you can win everything, because it is stronger than all the
bombs.

Babaji mentioned the freedom spoken of and promised by politicians.
Then He said, in effect: "Theirs is no freedom at all. If you work
and are worthy. I shall show you freedom greater than you have ever
dreamed."
= = = = = = = = = = = = = =

26 JULY 1979 (Herakhan)--Some important observations made by Sri
Babaji on the future world events:

The change of the present which is full of turmoil, will be brought
about by bloody revolution. Peace will return only after the
revolution reaches its zenith.

In the aftermath of the revolution-which will be total, no country
will be spared big or small-some countries will be totally erased,
leaving no sign of their existence.

In some 3% to 5% and up to maximum of 25% of the population will be
spared and will survive.

The destruction will be brought about by earthquakes, floods,
accidents, collisions and wars.

The destructive elements which were kept in check by Sri Babaji
have been released to do their worst.

Those who pray to their chosen divinity will not be affected.
= = = = = = = = = = = = =

28 JULY 1979 (Herakhan)
Giving reference to his earlier prediction Shri Babaji foretold that
the revolution (like a scythe) will be total and will be from one end
of the world to another. Revolution spoken about on 26-7-1979, will
increase in tempo, and will reach its culmination point. It will not
be confined to any particular country, but the whole world will be
engulfed, big and small countries alike.

People today are full of misery and unhappiness. Misery and
unhappiness is not confined to the poor, but rich people are affected
too; All are suffering from difficulties, misery, and unhappiness.
The leaders of all countries are busy safeguarding their positions
and have totally ignored their people's needs and interests. These
leaders are misguiding the public. There is complete insecurity.
There is no safety of person or property. New leaders are being
trained and prepared to take over from the (corrupt) leaders who will
restore just and proper order and bring peace.

At present, demonic influences have engulfed men. Man will fight and
devour men and they will destroy each other. First, destruction will
take place, then a lull and then peace will prevail. Some of the
countries will be completely destroyed. Prayer will be the only
safeguard and saviors against destruction. Forget past and future,
abolish all other thoughts, but pray with total concentration of mind
and soul and have full faith in God. Chant OM NAMAH SHIVAYA and you
can defy death. Have no thought about your life and death. No evil
influence will ever come near you if you pray with purity of
heart and mind and with all faith and concentration."
= = = = = = = = = = = = = = =

(from book, I AM HARMONY by Radhe Shyam )
Babaji often spoke an ancient saying: "Pinda kacha, shabda sacha."
The body is perishable: the Word is eternal." He elaborated on this
theme frequently.

"The fact is.. everything in this world is.. transient. It has no
"reality." True reality is to proceed on the Path of Truth, to keep
the company of saintly people, and to render service to men."

"Leaving behind the fear of death and the hope of life, you must
advance. You should not be afraid of fire and water. When the need
arises, we will have to jump into the ocean: when the time comes, we
must be prepared to jump into the fire. That is why all of you must be
as firm as Mount Meru."
= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =

Last is this email message that came while composing this post as
mentioned previously... message was probably taken from either "I AM
HARMONY" or "TEACHINGS OF BABAJI".
------------------------------------
"Now everyone feels insecure. I want to raise the character of man so
high that people as different as the lion and the goat can live
together without jealousy or hatred - only in love.

"Kindle the Light in yourself, then kindle It in others - one by one.
Just as when the lamp burns it consumes oil, so this Light will
consume idleness, laziness, greed.

"Your duty is to spread my message and bring people to the level of
humanity, rather than their animal level."

"You all think devotion is fun. Some day you will have to jump
without fear of life or death; then you will be able to make
progress. When the time comes, you will have to walk through fire and
water."

"Only the man of courage can live through this time.

"Like spreading light by lighting one candle from another all around
a room, so we should spread love from heart to heart.

"You must all walk in the Path of Truth and give right teachings and
instructions to the world. Everyone should walk the Path of Truth and
teach family, and friends, and all."
Shri Maha Prabhuji says: PHURO!! Jai Maha Maya Ki Jai!!
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++

I sincerely pray that this sharing of information & teachings brings
benefit to others & generates much wisdom compassion throughout all
Creation. OM AH HUM VAJRA GURU PADMA SIDDHI HUM - HRIH
Truth, Simplicity, Love, and Service to others
Blessings - rhonda


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