Question about Urantia book

[John]

Hi everybody,

I've been discusing the Urantia book in relation to
the Law of One books with a friend and I was hoping
someone could help us figure out what the bottom line
is. Ra says of the Urantia book:

QUESTION: Who transmitted the Urantia Book?

RA: This was given by a series of discarnate entities
of your own Earth planes, the so-called inner pans.
This material is not passed by the Council. (B1, 141)"

So, does anyone know what/who exactly the inner pans
are, I can only assume assume that they relate to the
sometimes mischeivous Pan of Greek mythology and are
earthly spirits and hence less "divine" than Ra (lower
order, or what have you), and if the information in
the Urantia book is considered "correct" by Ra. Ra
says the material is not passed by the council, I
infer from this that either: the information is
distorted because of the source, or the information
contains data that the council would regard as being
unfit for transmition to humanity, i.e. direct
prophecy, breaking law of free will, etc. I have not
read the Urantia book, so it's hard for me to come to
any conclusions on this. Any help would be
appreciated.

Peace.
Love.
Light.

John.


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[Chris Hamilton]

>John: I've been discusing the Urantia book in relation to
> the Law of One books with a friend and I was hoping
> someone could help us figure out what the bottom line
> is. Ra says of the Urantia book:
> QUESTION: Who transmitted the Urantia Book?>
> RA: This was given by a series of discarnate entities
> of your own Earth planes, the so-called inner pans.
> This material is not passed by the Council. (B1, 141)"

Chris: Hello John. First, what you have quoted is "planes", not "pans". I'm
not sure whether you typoed that or not, just wanted the word to be clear.
>
> So, does anyone know what/who exactly the inner pans
> are,

Chris:Well, found one reference that dreams are an inner plane and that in
the inner planes we have angels. All this from RA. Also that there are
"subtle" bodies, which may be the same as inner planes, but I can't find
anything in RA to corroborate this. Any one is welcome to jump in here if
they know more :) Along this line we have our chemical (red) body and it is
non-physical, orange-ray body formed without self-awareness (before birth
body), green-ray sometimes called astral, blue-ray called the devachanic
(shining-god/like) of which there are many, indigo body or etheric gateway
to intelligent infinity, and violet or completeness. Most of that was from
BKII.

John: Ra says the material is not passed by the council, I
> infer from this that either: the information is
> distorted because of the source, or the information
> contains data that the council would regard as being
> unfit for transmition to humanity. I have not
> read the Urantia book, so it's hard for me to come to
> any conclusions on this.

Chris: I haven't read the book either, just bits and pieces here and there.
I would say find what you can, read it, and then decide :) I always believe
in investigating everything. It is thru our desire for knowledge that we
grow and learn afterall. And how can we make an informed statement if we
haven't investigated all avenues? Take care

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Chris: I haven't read the book either, just bits and pieces here and there.
I would say find what you can, read it, and then decide :) I always believe
in investigating everything. It is thru our desire for knowledge that we
grow and learn afterall. And how can we make an informed statement if we
haven't investigated all avenues? Take care

Hi Chris
I went to the Urantia site where there are large exerpts from the book
To me it is very plain why this material is not passed by Ra since it is not
supportive to the Law of One
It is all very personallized and talks of a "supreme creator" seperate of
its "creation"
That in itself places this material outside the Law of One.
If you take Oneness(the Whole) and extract(=separate=dualize) from that the
creating principle and personallize it, Oneness is gone
The Whole can never be a "part" of itself and a part can never be the Whole.

Bob.


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[Rod]

Hi John and Chris and all interested in this line of....

My computer just had a near death experience brought on by a vicious virus.
So, I have not been active here for a short time. As busy as I am catching
up
I find this to be an interesting line of exploration.

This quote of RA (B1, 141) was brought up last year, about mid June. It went
a little ways. If you can archive it using the RA quote of "Book of Urantia
as a Subject references you might find two or three posts on the subject.

> RA: This was given by a series of discarnate entities
> of your own Earth planes, the so-called inner pans.
> This material is not passed by the Council. (B1, 141)"

Chris: Hello John. First, what you have quoted is "planes", not "pans". I'm
not sure whether you typoed that or not, just wanted the word to be clear.
>
> So, does anyone know what/who exactly the inner pans
> are,

Yes Chris, I will jump in here and try to add a little broader information
to
what I think the RA was getting at.

Chris:Well, found one reference that dreams are an inner plane and that in
the inner planes we have angels. All this from RA. Also that there are
"subtle" bodies, which may be the same as inner planes, but I can't find
anything in RA to corroborate this. ...

I think that with "inner-planes" RA is using a simple term that has a
general understanding. Functions of continuity for our existence that cannot
be explored with cognizant reasoning. Call it inner consciousness, or soul
essence or life to death and soul to life transitions. That understanding
often leads to Metaphysical complexities.

Inner planes are those levels of existent continuity between the experience
environment of life and the vastness of creation's energy. An essence we
sometimes call creation. Because those planes of existence are not carnal
life nor existential ascension they are called "disincarnate". That
means not soul body experience and not yet a collective soul entity, not
alive
but not yet arrived. And within its non physical nature that existence is
bound
within dimensional planes that are extension of our real 3 dimensional
world.

For those who would prefer to depart from complex metaphysics I can render
that explanation the simplicities found in Bucky Fuller's Synergy and Author
Young's Geometry of Meaning.

As to the RA statement, "This material is not passed by the Council." That
is a big subject that is outside of the RA material and the Book of Urantia.
I am well read in both books. Anybody want to follow that line bit by bit
and part by part let me know.

Hope this is simple and tasty enough to intellectually bit into,

Be happy in your wondering and searching,
Rod

[Chris]

Rod:I think that with "inner-planes" RA is using a simple term that
has a general understanding. Functions of continuity for our
existence that cannot be explored with cognizant reasoning. Call it
inner consciousness, or soul essence or life to death and soul to
life transitions. Inner planes are those levels of existent
continuity between the experience environment of life and the
vastness of creation's energy. An essence we sometimes call creation.
Because those planes of existence are not carnal life nor existential
ascension they are called "disincarnate". That means not soul body
experience and not yet a collective soul entity, not alive
but not yet arrived. And within its non physical nature that
existence is bound within dimensional planes that are extension of
our real 3 dimensional world.

Hi Rod,

I want to thank you for your explanation of the inner planes. My
question here, I guess I'm confused ;), is that the inner planes can
be inclusive of other densities, or is it more like being in twilight
right before the sun rises? I visualize the inner planes as more
levels of our third density, but somehow I don't think that is quite
right either. Thanks for your help. Perhaps this is an avenue that
might be more fully explored by David in the future with his help at
L/L Research. Chris

[adam west]

Hello to you all,
my name is Adam, been lurking for a while, this my first post. Quick intro
I've been a student of mysticism and metaphysics for a number of years, having
only discovered The RA Material recently. I have read the Urantia book and
about half of the RA material though having all of them in my possession. With
out making any comments on the Uranita Book its self, my interpretation of what
RA was referring to in regard to the inner planes is this; RA states: "This
was given by a series of discarnate entities of your own Earth planes, the
so-called inner planes. This material is not passed by the Council. (B1, 141)"
in order to understand what RA is saying we have an understanding of what is
meant by inner planes and more specifically your inner planes. It is taught
with in the general western mystery tradition as revealed by the various
incarnate adepts over the centuries and as personally discovered by many modern
day students of the esoteric sciences, that there exists for our planet and all
others, various etheric bodies or sheaths. Just as is so for individual humans
and other life forms, one has a etheric body which is the blue print or template
of the physical, one also has an astral a mental a causal etc., going on up to
the monadic and higher. If you were able to go into meditation and move into
the theta trance state you could shift your awareness to that of the astral
consciousness and find your self on the astral planes, or that of the material
plane of which our physical body is presently found, leave it and travel to
Egypt if so desired, i.e. astral travel. One can do the same with the mental
body and that of the causal, causal and Buddhic equating to shifting into
superconsciousness or merging with ones higher self. The next important thing
to understand is that planet Earth has its own astral and mental bodies distinct
from those of Venuses for example so if you were to project your consciousness
on to the Astral planes which according to vibration are generally and very
loosely divided into the lower, middle and upper you would find your self on
Earths astral body and would very quickly realize that it is composed of the
consensus reality of souls who are presently discarnate from the physical life
times of earth. That is these people recently died on earth, and have arrived
on the astral according to there level of awakening, vibration, cultural back
ground and heavenly expectations they will find them selves with others of like
mind, with their astral reality literally reflecting the cultural consensus
group mind, for example those of the Celtic Belief system and there cultural
mythology will literally discover a realm of castles inhabited by chivalrous
nights, these types of examples are true for all of the worlds religions. The
point is the astral is personal to the people of our planet and reflects our
cultures, the realization and integration of truth as you would expect is
exponential as one moves up into the mid, upper astral into the mental and on up
into the upper planes, once one moves into the Causual it is found that it is no
longer personal to our planet, it reflecting the love and truth of the fifth
dimensional state with souls from all planets and solar systems. So based on
what has been said you can see that when RA refers to YOUR INNER PLANES it
would seem that he is referring to those planes or levels of existence composed
of discarnate entities that are personal to our planet, i.e. earths astral and
mental planes, in dimensional terminology they are of a fourth dimensional
vibration and in the lower levels the entities of such are just as unenlightened
as we are, one will find in the upper to be sure enlightened societies though
still not having over come the distortions that bind them to the necessity of
earth incarnation. RA seems to imply that the Urantia book was channeled from
discarnate entities who were not of Confederation level of awareness and thus
the information's accuracy is questionable and if true likely to be heavily
distorted.

[Chris Hamilton]

Thank you Adam! Your explanation of inner planes was really great. I
personally hope your lurking days are over:) Take care Chris

> Hello to you all,
> my name is Adam, been lurking for a while, this my first post. Quick
intro I've been a student of mysticism and metaphysics for a number of
years, having only discovered The RA Material recently. I have read the
Urantia book and about half of the RA material though having all of them in
my possession. With out making any comments on the Uranita Book its self,
my interpretation of what RA was referring to in regard to the inner planes

[Rod]

Thank you Adam,

That was a great long paragraph treatment on "inner planes".
You answered the question that I was going to treat when I had the time.

AW] The next important thing to understand is that planet Earth has its own
astral
and mental bodies...

...it is composed of the consensus reality of souls who are presently
discarnate
from the physical life times of earth. That is these people recently died
on earth,...

[RJ] Not so recent in terms of how time flies but recent in terms of the
dispensation of their own soul evolution.

AW] ...and have arrived on the astral according to their level of awakening,
vibration, cultural back ground and heavenly expectations...

RJ] Very well put.

AW]...their astral reality literally reflecting the cultural consensus group
mind,...

...The point is the astral is personal to the people of our planet...

...once one moves into the Causual it is found that it is no longer personal
to
our planet,...

...you can see that when RA refers to YOUR INNER PLANES it would seem that
he is
referring to those planes or levels of existence composed of discarnate
entities
that are personal to our planet,...

...in dimensional terminology they are of a fourth dimensional vibration and
in
the lower levels the entities of such are just as unenlightened as we are...

RJ] That brings to mind the Mormon philosophy of the living doing work for
the
dead. That is so when they become convinced as disincarnates of God's only/
truth? they will not be rejected by God for having missed the temporal
ceremony.
Not realizing reincarnation Mormons miss the point that every possibility
under
the sun is available through choices in many lives.

AW] ...RA seems to imply that the Urantia book was channeled from discarnate
entities
who were not of Confederation level of awareness and thus the information's
accuracy
is questionable and if true likely to be heavily distorted.

RJ] The entities channeling Urantia were much more intrinsic than just not
being on the
the Confederation level. They are disincarnates related in a soul sense to
an Orion
faction of the Confederation early in this dispensation of earth. In my
opinion they
took part in the Alantian distortion which the RA felt it contributed to
through the
unwise sharing of technical information.

I'm very impressed by your post

Thank you,

Rod






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[Jason Wharton]

> RJ] That brings to mind the Mormon philosophy of the living doing work
for the
> dead. That is so when they become convinced as disincarnates of God's
only/
> truth? they will not be rejected by God for having missed the temporal
> ceremony.
> Not realizing reincarnation Mormons miss the point that every possibility
> under the sun is available through choices in many lives.

What of the possibility that it gets people off the fence and opens an
opportunity for doing another go around at a level where they can again be
afforded opportunities at certain levels?

Is it not true that the vibration people accumulate can cross thresholds
where they are in a pretty locked in state of bondage? The ordinances
performed in LDS temples are designed to provide opportunities for
disincarnate souls to be liberated from things that are binding them down.

This leads me to ask who sets the bounds and circumstances of what soul is
born when and under what circumstances. If an ordinance in the temple aligns
your soul to a point where you can be born into an LDS home or family under
the covenant birth, and the person accepts that opportunity by their own
free will and choice, this could be considered an opportunity as opposed to
being born into another environment and circumstance upon the earth.

In short, Mormon temple ceremonies and reincarnation are not mutually
exclusive and there is nothing in Mormonism that explicitly refutes
reincarnation. My thoughts on this is because this is so near the end of a
great cycle (Latter-day Saints) and harvest time, it isn't a safe attitude
to suppose I'll just get another go around.

FWIW,
Jason Wharton
CPS - Mesa AZ
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> AW] ...RA seems to imply that the Urantia book was
> channeled from discarnate entities who were not of
> Confederation level of awareness and thus the
> information's accuracy is questionable...

Sorry - feel really out of touch with this.
What is the "Confederation?" Is that some
hierarchal channeling jargon? It seems there
is some cosmic organization here. Where are
the Confederation's requisits defined? It
seems some sort of dogma to say that one cannot
be accurate unless they conform to so and so,
or such and such. Hopelessly lost, Pat

[Chris]

Sorry - feel really out of touch with this.
What is the "Confederation?" Pat

Hi Pat,

This is found in David's Ra study guide:

RA: I am one of the members of the Confederation of Planets in the Service of
the Infinite Creator. There are approximately fifty-three civilizations,
comprising approximately five hundred planetary consciousness complexes in this
Confederation. This Confederation contains those from your own planet who have
attained dimensions beyond your third. It contains planetary entities within
your solar system and planetary entities from other galaxies (solar systems.) It
is a true Confederation in that its members are not alike, but allied in service
according to the Law of One? They are available to you through your thought.

I will send you the books if you would like. Chris

[parkers5]

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> RA: I am one of the members of the Confederation of Planets in
the Service of the Infinite Creator. There are approximately fifty-
three civilizations, comprising approximately five hundred planetary
consciousness complexes in this Confederation. This Confederation
contains those from your own planet who have attained dimensions
beyond your third. It contains planetary entities within your solar
system and planetary entities from other galaxies (solar systems.) It
is a true Confederation in that its members are not alike, but allied
in service according to the Law of One? They are available to you
through your thought.
>
> I will send you the books if you would like. Chris

Thank you Chris, what a wonderful quote.

This is like the United States,
accepting so many immigrants and are
a big melting pot of many cultures. But
just because one doesn't live in the United
States doesn't mean that they should be
banished as inaccurate - does that make
sense? This is falacy. This is Dogma:
that Confederation Channelers are
the only way to go. It reminds me of
someone who says the President is 100%
credible. We need to have the benefit of
the doubt for our free will mechanism
to operate. Also, we don't necessarily
need to be accurate to inspire others
to do great things - look at all the
artists in the world - are they accurate?
Channelers are special kinds of artists,
some channel things that proclaim they
are the most accurate which is great for
people inspired by accuracy. Love, pat

[Chris]

This is Dogma: that Confederation Channelers are
the only way to go. It reminds me of
someone who says the President is 100%
credible. We need to have the benefit of
the doubt for our free will mechanism
to operate. Pat
______________

Well, like anything else, an individual must personally validate what they read
and determine if it is their truth or not. If something doesn't ring true for
the individual, the material may be discarded as not intrinsic to one's personal
path. But, you need to read the presented material before you can say that it is
not your truth, correct? :) Again, I have the books.......LY Chris

[Rod Johnson]

Hey there all,

The RA simple said, "This material is not passed by the Council." All
of the rest is speculations of
Why? Why? Why? by us others.

The belief in the confederation is a belief that the over all
disposition of the our world and its outcomes is directly accountable to
conditions set forth and or guided by more advanced civilizations out
yonder in the stars. Having that belief one has to also believe that
such beings are benevolently, wise and just beyond reproach.

Under any circumstances they would be far, far beyond our realm both in
the ability to serve and wisely guide and in the ability to dominate and
take advantage of our existence for some selfish reason.

Your comment brought my mind to a memory of something I wrote in the
late 50s;
Were we to transverse the stars and come upon this planet which we live,
oh how beautiful the earth must look in approach. Oceans sprawling,
rivers crawling over continents clinging to the mother sphere. And
there, to small even to see are people, tender boned and self-aware.
Strip them of their ego and their fears and they all have a common
majesty to exist for the sake of their existence. But yet they are
imbued with an inhumanity toward their own humanity. Dressed in doubt
and dominance and more often than not deep, deep fear. What would we
feel with what we could know?

What fear have we of travelers from afar? Were they advanced enough to
roam the universe why would the want to take or for that matter what
puny things would we have to give. Taking is for brutes and children not
for the wise.

I sometimes wonder how many peoples who roam the galaxy have come upon
our beautiful earth, perhaps wanting to descend to its loveliness. But
knowing of its humanoids, their aggressive dominance and underlying fear
simply passed us by.

On a rather crude level, if we say that the confederation council exists
as an ego presents dominating our existence then we would be like
chickens complaining about our keepers.

For what its worth,

Rod



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[Chris Hamilton]

> Your comment brought my mind to a memory of something I wrote in the
> late 50s; Were we to transverse the stars and come upon this planet which
we live, oh how beautiful the earth must look in approach. Oceans
sprawling,
> rivers crawling over continents clinging to the mother sphere. And
> there, to small even to see are people, tender boned and self-aware.
> Strip them of their ego and their fears and they all have a common
> majesty to exist for the sake of their existence. But yet they are
> imbued with an inhumanity toward their own humanity. Dressed in doubt
> and dominance and more often than not deep, deep fear. What would we
> feel with what we could know?

Rod, oh , just really wonderful, darlin :) Wow, ok, well, let me try to say
something, feminine aspect and all, to balance that great male statement :)
Perhaps that we transcend the fear, and use it to meld with the feminine
that transcends and couples too-it connnects. It is the torus we see in all
form. It is all of us in that form. Our form is one. Chris

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>
> an individual must personally validate what they read and determine
if it is their truth or not. If something doesn't ring true for the
individual, the material may be discarded as not intrinsic to one's
personal path.

Thanks for your interest.
Validation can take many forms,
from broad strokes to fine details.
So validation could likewise be
broken into pieces or percentages.
That someone is brushed off as some
useless piece of inaccurate babble
seems to cause more separation than
unity, confederation approvals or
none. Hails to the chief.

Invalidatingly, pat