Comet Neat

[Erik Strasser]

Dear group,

I have seen some links and comments about this planet sized comet in this group.
I would like to add 2 more links.

http://www.rense.com/general35/COMET.HTM

http://www.free-minds.org/comet_story.htm ( great pictures!)

What strikes me most is ofcourse the media blackout but also what Nostrodamus
said in one of its Quatrains:
(taken from the first link)

After a great misery for mankind an even greater approaches. The great cycle of
the centuries is renewed: It will rain blood, milk, famine, war and disease. In
the sky will be seen a fire, dragging a tail of sparks. ---Nostradamus, Century
2, Quatrain 46 (1654)

This baby is real and inside our own Divine Cosmos right now. This baby isnt a
hoax right?
This comet probably will do no harm, but it IS 2003 and there ARE many who do
not only have the myth, but also its manifestation in sight.

Perhaps David Wilcock could say something about this comet?
If so.. thank you in advance.

L/L to ya all, Erik.




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[chris.hamilton2@...>]

Thanks Erik for your input,

I have been pretty fascinated by both the comets from the beginning, as you are
probably aware. I found a site that illustrates actual orbits and lets you
manipulate your view and time sequences. It is Near Earth Objects. And, based on
this info, I wrote a private note to Light Eye about my opinion which is below.
I know others won't agree with me, but this is my opinion only.

"Well, I don't believe that NASA would fake the orbit of this comet, and that
orbit has pretty much stayed the same since it was discovered last year. So my
stand here is that we have a bunch of fear-producing people out on the internet
trying to get everyone to panic. Poppy-cock. Yes, do have 3 days emergency
supplies in your home-that is common sense. But we do not need all the fear this
speculation produces. I am saying that I believe the v1's orbit is authentic as
pictured on the NEO site. This means that it's closest approach to earth was
back on 12/25. It's orbit brings it coming in towards us from the 12
o'clock position, ccw, looping the sun and then falling below the ecliptic.
Right now it is below the ecliptic and pretty far from us already. If it was
going to do damage, it would have been around Christmas last year. Now, last
night I did a regression of its orbit and found that on 12/25, v1's orbit passed
right thru Mars orbit-if Mars had been there, it would have been major
boom-booms. But, what if 75,000 years ago (2 of v1's orbits), Mars had been
there? BOOM. So, that is what I theorize."

Sooo, I don't think the NEO orbit is faked, and, according to the orbital model,
the closest on 12/25 v1 was to us was 112 million miles. We may have experienced
weather and earth changes from the pass-by of both comets, but we are out of any
imminent catastrophe now. Take care Chris

[Paul Kandrah]

> I have been pretty fascinated by both the comets from the
beginning, as you are probably aware.

What is the other comet to which you are refering? Of significant
sized comets recently I only know of Comet C/2002 V1 (NEAT). Some
history:

http://cometography.com/lcomets/2002v1.html

>I found a site that illustrates actual orbits and lets you
manipulate your view and time sequences.

Here is the flight path of V1 (NEAT) according to NASA's Jet
Propulsion Laboratory:

http://encke.jpl.nasa.gov/images/02V1/orbitv1.jpg
http://encke.jpl.nasa.gov/

And on this page is a list of recent comets:
http://www.ast.cam.ac.uk/~jds/

Is Comet X5 of some significance?

With regards,

Paul

[Chris Hamilton]

Hi Paul,

The other one was X5 (you asked about that at the end of this post), called
the kudo-fujikawa by it's discoverers. You can see the trajectory of that
one by substituting "x5" for the "v1" in your first url below. It had over a
hundred thousand year orbit, but wasn't quite as spectacular as v1. These
two shot by the sun within about two weeks of each other-really interesting
:) Torbjorn (tobbee janson) took a shot of the sun with v1's flyby and the
pic is really interesting too. It is in the previous posts, I can find it if
you want me to. Thanks for the other urls! Take care Chris

> > I have been pretty fascinated by both the comets from the
> beginning, as you are probably aware.
>
> What is the other comet to which you are refering? Of significant
> sized comets recently I only know of Comet C/2002 V1 (NEAT). Some
> history:
>
> http://cometography.com/lcomets/2002v1.html
>
> >I found a site that illustrates actual orbits and lets you
> manipulate your view and time sequences.
>
> Here is the flight path of V1 (NEAT) according to NASA's Jet
> Propulsion Laboratory:
>
> http://encke.jpl.nasa.gov/images/02V1/orbitv1.jpg
> http://encke.jpl.nasa.gov/
>
> And on this page is a list of recent comets:
> http://www.ast.cam.ac.uk/~jds/
>
> Is Comet X5 of some significance?
>
> With regards,
>
> Paul
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[Chris Hamilton]

Paul, here's one site you may not have yet:

http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/

Click on "Orbit Diagrams" on the left and then you can do a search on almost
any asteroid or comet that has a name (scroll beyond the search box and it
lists tons of asteroids etc. to choose from). NEAT is searched by keying in
"2002 v1". Chris

[Paul Kandrah]

<chris.hamilton2@v...> wrote:
> Paul, here's one site you may not have yet:
>
> http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/
>
> Click on "Orbit Diagrams" on the left and then you can do a search
> on almost any asteroid or comet that has a name (scroll beyond the
> search box and it lists tons of asteroids etc. to choose from).
> NEAT is searched by keying in "2002 v1". Chris

Thanks Chris. This tool is very constructive for visualizing what
is happening out there. It is clear that the comet has passed out
of the domain of the rings formed by the planetary rotations and is
gone for several thousand years.

Side note: Today, Feb 25th, the distance from the comet v1 to the
earth was over 1 au and to the sun was 0.321 au. Glad I looked.

Another side note: I am a little disheartened at the flux of "charge
creation" - typically negative fear-based energy - coming from
conspiracy theorists without much evidence and lots of speculation.
Understanding that there is some denseness out there (and in here,
pointing to myself), I wonder how the "truth" can be approached
without intense polarity creation and going to opposing extremes.

Paul

[chris.hamilton2@...>]

Another side note: I am a little disheartened at the flux of "charge creation" -
typically negative fear-based energy - coming from conspiracy theorists without
much evidence and lots of speculation. Understanding that there is some
denseness out there (and in here, pointing to myself), I wonder how the "truth"
can be approached
without intense polarity creation and going to opposing extremes. Paul
-------
I suppose the best method is to always have a positive attitude, and research
anything that doesn't personally ring true for you. Keep cool and calm in the
knowledge that positive ultimately prevails. Losing one's temper doesn't do
anyone any good. But, being human, I can personally say that is not as easy as
it sounds :) I live in the knowledge that love flows thru me and affects
everyone in my vicinity, allowing me to handle *most* situations without going
to extremes. I guess that's what being human is all about-learning about
polarity...and of course, love. Take care Chris

[Erik Strasser]

Paul, here's one site you may not have yet:

http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/

Click on "Orbit Diagrams" on the left and then you can do a search on almost
any asteroid or comet that has a name (scroll beyond the search box and it
lists tons of asteroids etc. to choose from). NEAT is searched by keying in
"2002 v1". Chris

ES: Thank you Chris for your input on this matter as well as for the link.
Although i so not trust any NEO, NASA/JPL or your goverment.

L/L, Erik.








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[Jeremy Weiland]

> I am a little disheartened at the flux of "charge
> creation" - typically negative fear-based energy -
> coming from conspiracy theorists without much
> evidence and lots of speculation. Understanding
> that there is some denseness out there (and in here,

> pointing to myself), I wonder how the "truth" can be
> approached without intense polarity creation and
> going to opposing extremes.

Man, I can't think of a time when phases of genuine
scientific revolution aren't inundated with polarity
and opposing extremes (a la Kuhn).

I agree that a lot of conspiracy theory is
disheartening and most likely negative - but not
neccessarily because it's not true, rather because
it's not helpful. Everybody wants to understand the
world they live in, both the physical world and the
political world, but that understanding has to be
useful - it can't be just intrigue, speculation, and
fear. It has to be grounded in some sort of principle
and reality. I don't blame people for not trusting
official sources, but I do blame them for simply
trusting other sources merely because they want to
believe the truth is more dramatic. I think it's
better to simply say you don't know (though everybody
has their opinions and hunches).

However, I find it very hard to believe that we're
being told everything straight from the powers that
be. You can quibble about who is right about what,
but it is this lack of honesty from our officials that
creates this climate of fear and speculation in the
first place - in fact, I tend to think that is what
the officials want anyway, so we don't know what to
think. However, I don't have to let it rule my life.

Love and light,

Jeremy

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[John]

Well I don't know about the rest of you but I've been
checking into the whole NEAT Comet conspiracy theory
thing that seems to have blown up in the last few
days. Any opinions??? From what I've read and
considered, there is something amiss here. What it
may be is still up in the air, for me at least, but
the implications of the incident, if read in a certain
light are staggering. Personally, I'm not at all
worried about what may or may not happen, yet
curiosity prevails and I'd like to know the groups
veiws. The fact that this all happened on the
bifurcation point Feb. 18-19 furthers my curiosity.

Here are a few of the sites I've come across:

http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?#29135

http://aoreport.com/news40.htm

http://www.jmccanneyscience.com/

http://pub61.ezboard.com/fltvreelanddotcomfrm22.showMessage?topicID=2.topic

http://66.242.35.139/bbs/default.php

http://www.represent.co.nz/forum/index.php

http://www.grahamhancock.com/phorum/list.php?f=2

http://www.gulufuture.com

So, any input?

David, you out there?? Any thing you'd like to add??

Peace.
Love.
Light.



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[Chris Hamilton]

>John: Well I don't know about the rest of you but I've been
> checking into the whole NEAT Comet conspiracy theory
> thing that seems to have blown up in the last few
> days. Any opinions??? From what I've read and
> considered, there is something amiss here.

Chris: Hello again. For a more positive approach, please check out Barry
Carter's post of 2/27. Also, spaceweather.com has great information. And if
you want to see a proposed orbit simulation, you can go to
http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/ . There you click on "Orbit diagrams" and then can
do a search on any of the thousands of near earth objects. To find NEAT,
type in 2000 v1 in the search box. And more history of the comet is here:
http://cometography.com/lcomets/2002v1.html

[Roger Nelson]

I concur with Chris on this point. All the other flaky sites
mentioned by John seem to assume one thing big 'untruth' about
astronomical events. It is that NASA has a monopoly on telling us
what's going on out in space. So soon we forget that there are
literally thousands of Amateur's who look skyward nightly, many with
rather impressive telescopes, who would only be to happy to publicly
challenge an attempt to hide something astronomical from the public.
Since I can't see a groundswell of such an event here on earth, I am
tempted to assume that someone else is doing the story telling.

On the matter of comet NEAT, it quite obviously survived its close
pass with the sun, as everyone can now see it nightly in the Southern
Hemisphere.

I suggest it would be much more easily to doctor picture files on the
computer to create controversies/conspiracies where none exist, and
perhaps the conspiratorial culprits might be more easily recognized
by outlandish nature of their claims.

But for those looking for some astronomical calamity, don't worry, it
will happen, there are plenty of "planet killing" comets or
planetiods floating around undiscovered, any astronomer will tell you
that. Maybe not next week, but certainly in the next couple of
thousand years (a blink of an eye in astronomical terms.) When they
come there could be only a few months to prepare.

Roger

[Chris Hamilton]

> Roger: I concur with Chris on this point. All the other flaky sites
> mentioned by John seem to assume one thing big 'untruth' about
> astronomical events.

Chris: Ahhh, someone who is not into negative entries :) Thanks. Sometimes I
think wanting the facts is a little anal at times, but clarifying our
illusion is more important to me. It gets me some negative responses when I
answer the way I do, but I will still continue with what I think is my truth
(maybe others too?) When everyone was bringing up all the yelpers that the
comet was fake, blah, blah, blah, my intuition said that was not right-let's
see what happens :) Well, we did, Roger, it's still there, wasn't blown up
in the sun's atmosphere..... And it's not bigger than Jupiter either:)
Simply the SOHO camera made it look that way. Geez, why do we as humans have
to dramatize everything? Wink cuz without drama we would all be totally
BORED :) smile

[Erik Strasser]

Geez, why do we as humans have
to dramatize everything? Wink cuz without drama we would all be totally
BORED :) smile

ES: I was guilty, but... point taken. :-)
L/L.



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