(Oracles of Mohonri)

[Olga]

>Let me say in short a pathway to full
>realization of our potential has been opened. The record is called the
>Oracles of Mohonri. http://essenes.crosswinds.net/om1.htm


I tried this link and it took me to Crosswinds email sign in ... since I do
NOT have an account with them I could not proceed .....

Do you have a URL for the actual article ??

Blessings

Olga





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[thedruid2012]

Hi Olga,

You can access it here;

http://www.absalom.com/mormon/rigby/jared.htm

> Do you have a URL for the actual article ??

[Jason Wharton]

> Do you have a URL for the actual article ??

They have a few glitches with the web-site that should be worked out in a
day or two.

Jason Wharton
CPS - Mesa AZ
http://www.ibobjects.com

-- We may not have it all together --
-- But together we have it all --

[chris.hamilton2@...>]

Am I mistaken, or isn't this the Mormon Church we are talking about here? Chris

[Jason Wharton]

> Am I mistaken, or isn't this the Mormon Church we are talking about here?

Not exactly. The connection is the Book of Mormon came from the non-sealed
portion of the golden plates and this Oracles of Mohonri came from the
sealed portion of the plates Joseph Smith was forbidden to translate.

The ramifications of this suggests the Mormon church in the mainstream was
not sufficiently prepared to receive the sealed portion of the golden
plates. Thus, the Oracles of Mohonri have been revealed in a 'new bottle for
new wine' manner.

This is in fulfillment of Book of Mormon prophesy and will no doubt confront
many Mormons since they are taught, 'follow the prophets'. Yet, to my
knowledge, Mormon leadership is not aware of this or at least nothing has
been said concerning it.

I'm still in the process of coming to grips with it, being a Mormon myself.
I presume there will be quite a bit of people divided over this issue in
months and years to come. I've only dared bring it up to a few people as it
is clear to me this will be quite an upset for many of them.

I've found it a little troubling myself but I have frequently had
premonitions such a situation would come. I am trusting in my personal
connection to divinity without and within and walking by faith. This is what
each person ultimately needs to do so it seems fitting this would be the
nature of taking the next level up.

I pray God's mercy and grace will attend us all in contemplating these
matters.

Regards,
Jason Wharton
CPS - Mesa AZ
http://www.ibobjects.com

-- We may not have it all together --
-- But together we have it all --

[chris.hamilton2@...>]

Chris: Am I mistaken, or isn't this the Mormon Church we are talking about here?

Jason: Not exactly. The connection is the Book of Mormon came from the
non-sealed portion of the golden plates and this Oracles of Mohonri came from
the sealed portion of the plates Joseph Smith was forbidden to translate.

Chris:I have read that Joseph Smith was an occultist who wanted to establish an
esoteric or inner circle in the Mormon faith. So who did translate the sealed
portions?

Jason: Thus, the Oracles of Mohonri have been revealed in a 'new bottle for new
wine' manner.This is in fulfillment of Book of Mormon prophesy and will no doubt
confront
many Mormons since they are taught, 'follow the prophets'.

Chris: I have read about a fellow named Gilbert Clark, aka "Davied Israel" who
uses the oracles of mohonri. He used to be a Mormon, but split, and now he not
only follows pieces of the Bible, but also the Gospel of Thomas and the Pistis
Sophia (very feminine/goddess oriented and speaks of Mary Magdalene). Can you
comment on that? Do you know anything about that?

[Cindy Weisser]

Is it true that the Morman faith teaches that they
came from ET's?

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[Jason Wharton]

I am by no means a scholar but I'll do my best to answer your questions.

>
> Chris: Am I mistaken, or isn't this the Mormon Church we are talking about
here?
>
> Jason: Not exactly. The connection is the Book of Mormon came from the
non-sealed portion of the golden plates and this Oracles of Mohonri came
from the sealed portion of the plates Joseph Smith was forbidden to
translate.
>
> Chris:I have read that Joseph Smith was an occultist who wanted to
establish an esoteric or inner circle in the Mormon faith. So who did
translate the sealed portions?

An inner church separate from the outer church was established in 1836 in
Kirtland Ohio. There was also the School of the Prophets. I have not tried
to trace the existence of these things and am unable to relate whether or
not they were continued and for how long. I'm presuming both were abandoned
with the martyrdom of the prophets Joseph and Hyrum.

I've also read that the early Christianity had a similar multi-level
structure with an inner esoteric practice. Christ after his resurrection
spent 40 days with the Apostles, yet the Bible reveals little if anything
about what was taught. An assumption on my part based on the evidence before
me is that their temple rites and sealings were practiced. Here's a link
that may shed light on this:
http://www.bibleman.net/Temple_ritual_sacred_things.htm

> Jason: Thus, the Oracles of Mohonri have been revealed in a 'new bottle
for new wine' manner.This is in fulfillment of Book of Mormon prophesy and
will no doubt confront
> many Mormons since they are taught, 'follow the prophets'.
>
> Chris: I have read about a fellow named Gilbert Clark, aka "Davied Israel"
who uses the oracles of mohonri. He used to be a Mormon, but split, and now
he not only follows pieces of the Bible, but also the Gospel of Thomas and
the Pistis Sophia (very feminine/goddess oriented and speaks of Mary
Magdalene). Can you comment on that? Do you know anything about that?

I have spoken once with Davied Israel on the phone for a couple minutes. I
found the Oracles browsing the web and his phone number was on the sheet so
I thought I would call and see what the scoop was if I could. It is a quiet
inner movement and members like myself are not required to deride or
otherwise downplay the Mormon (outer) church to participate in this inner
church, though my guess is you would likely be excommunicated for full
acceptance of this new inner church at some point. There are definite
differences in some of the basic doctrines. Much of it I already believed
contrary to popular opinion in the Mormon church, like reincarnation for
example. (There is no official position on this actually.)

I'm also familiar with the Pistis Sophia. I've read much of the commentary
of J. J. Hurtak on it and he certainly elucidates some pretty interesting
stuff to contemplate. I let my brother borrow it and he has read it twice
over. I just got it back a couple days ago and intend to finish it soon. The
Keys of Enoch are still a bit too cryptic for me to get but I've dabbled
there too. I have the Gospel of Thomas but it didn't hold my interest long,
though I know I will want to revisit it sometime. Have you read any Hurtak
materials?

As for the feminine/goddess orientations, I don't have a problem with them
in their proper context. Problems arise for people when they don't get
things in a full light. Even though women aren't given the Aaronic or
Melchezidek priesthood in the Mormon church, this doesn't mean there isn't a
Matriarchal Priesthood they won't at some point attain to. Mormon scriptures
are clear that we don't have the whole enchilada yet and that there are yet
to be many great and important things revealed by God. I know a good number
of members who without knowing anything about this recognize that we yet
only have a preparatory order of things.

Regards,
Jason Wharton
CPS - Mesa AZ
http://www.ibobjects.com

-- We may not have it all together --
-- But together we have it all --

[chris.hamilton2@...>]

Jason:I'm also familiar with the Pistis Sophia. I've read much of the commentary
of J. J. Hurtak on it and he certainly elucidates some pretty interesting stuff
to contemplate. I let my brother borrow it and he has read it twice over. I just
got it back a couple days ago and intend to finish it soon. The Keys of Enoch
are still a bit too cryptic for me to get but I've dabbled there too. I have the
Gospel of Thomas but it didn't hold my interest long,
though I know I will want to revisit it sometime. Have you read any Hurtak
materials?

Chris: A book I just finished was "Templar Revelation" and it discussed many
occult groups in relation to the Christ, but I don't remember who wrote it. Now,
there was a site (I will try to find it) that had all of what is called the Nag
Hammadi. These were ancient texts that were translated and believed to be the
basis for the Bible. It included the Pistis and Thomas and bunches of other
stuff. I will look for that this evening. But this site had fully translated
pieces. I even think the Song of Songs was there. Alas! I haven't had time to
read even 1/8th of it :) This is all very controversial stuff, I hope you know?
I will find the site tonight and post it for you. One thing I did want to
mention was that when I read about Davied Israel, there was a very interesting
link that led to an article about the Essene Order of the Nazoreans, which I
believe is where some of the esoteric teachings originated. That I have a link
on:

essenes.crosswinds.net/subindex9.htm
You may have to cut and paste this. Take care Chris

[Jason Wharton]

> Is it true that the Mormon faith teaches that they
> came from ET's?

It can be inferred but it isn't really put that way.

The exalted being whom we consider our Father in Heaven is believed to have
been a man much like ourselves but on a different planet (or a past plane of
this new genesis we now enjoy here).

There are worlds without end created in all the generations and eternities
of creations so it stands to reason there is planet hoping going on.

I sometimes chidingly put it in the ET semantics just to get a weird look on
my fellow Saints faces and then they always give me the wry grin like, "yea,
we do believe in ET's don't we..."

Jason Wharton
CPS - Mesa AZ
http://www.ibobjects.com

-- We may not have it all together --
-- But together we have it all --

[Chris Hamilton]

Hi Jason,

First, I have not read Hurtak. And second, here are a few links on the Nag
Hammadi texts. Btw, for all of you, these texts were found in Egypt in 1945
and weren't translated til the 70's. Chris

http://www.webcom.com/gnosis/naghamm/nhl.html
gives a short history of the texts

and this one gives you lots of links
http://www.haverford.edu/relg/mcguire/Gnosisnet.html

[tobbe jansson]

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