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Tarzan
02-13-2003, 08:12 AM
Jeremy, et. al.,

Excellent points made, Jeremy. I wish to point out that I,
too, totally distrust any current form of any "government",
as they all represent the minority elite, not the people who
are under their thumbs.

When I sent in the post with the addresses of agents of
those gummints, I was only trying to help the persons (there
aren't very many real People left) actively register their
opposition to this BS war, absent any active pro-Peace
action. I'd rather be actively pro-Peace, but what if
nobody voiced their opposition to this BS war? What if the
persons of the world meekly and silently accepted whatever
came down the pike? What if the millions of persons of the
world did not already loudly object to the war? If the
persons of the world did not register their oppositions, I
don't think that France or Germany would have mustered up
the strength to oppose the war program being forced upon us
by the ba$tard US. Afterall, the gummints have to keep up
the pretense of "representing" the persons in their
respective countries.

Yes, it's far better to become actively pro-Peace, BUT--a
BIG **BUT**--most persons of the world (western world, that
is) are still fairly comfortable in their lives, hence they
would only register token oppositions to planned wars, but
it takes severe events to really get a population moving
towards actively pursuing true peace alternatives and that
happens when mere opposition to a war is NOT an alternative.

Those severe events most likely, imo, would show up in the
form of economic collapses with their attendant supply chain
interuptions with interuptions in the food
supplies--corporate food supplies, that is. Local food
supplies will still be fairly abundant--provided that
farmers ensured themselves steady off-the-power-grid water
supplies--and it will take significant **peaceful**
co-operation amongst the local, rural persons to co-operate
amongst each other to help keep each other alive.

It'll take a while for such severe events to happen, but it
can happen sooner, depending on what happens with the BS
war. The key event to watch for is the switch from US
dollar-denominated oil currencies (all oil producers--with
the exception of Saddam's Iraq--sell all of their oil ONLY
in US dollars) to Euro-denominated currencies, hence the
US's intensity to make the war happen to protect it's
almighty dollar. If the dollar totally collapses with the
main oil producers of the world switching to Euros, the
center of financial power would switch back to Europe with
the eventual result of them creating a reverse "Marshall
Plan" to help out America. Imagine that.

My pro-peace actions mainly consist of helping persons get
their farms/gardens ready and independent and daily
mediations, as well as sharing information as much as
possible.

The central point of this e-mail is that most persons in the
western world won't do anything pro-preace until it is the
most viable alternative, so, in order to reach that point,
they have to go through the pain of getting pushed out of
their comfort zone.

~Seth


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Olga
02-13-2003, 03:20 PM
>The key event to watch for is the switch from US
>dollar-denominated oil currencies (all oil producers--with
>the exception of Saddam's Iraq--sell all of their oil ONLY
>in US dollars) to Euro-denominated currencies, hence the
>US's intensity to make the war happen to protect it's
>almighty dollar. If the dollar totally collapses with the
>main oil producers of the world switching to Euros, the
>center of financial power would switch back to Europe with
>the eventual result of them creating a reverse "Marshall
>Plan" to help out America. Imagine that.

Hi Seth and all ...

I dunno how true it is ... but according to this article Saddam switched to
Euro's .....

http://www.evworld.com/databases/printit.cfm?storyid=490

And *that* is what the push for war is all about .... supposedly ....

Whether for oil.... or greed ... or just plain raw rapacious *power* ...
the powers that be in our gubmint will go on and do its thing ... with or
without UN backing ... with or without the approval of the rest of the
world ....

The die, as they say, seems to be cast...

Either we believe Spirit can overcome materialism or we do not ... it is up
to each of us to look into their own hearts and answer this question ....

IF we truly believe Spirit will overcome, then each of us must do; and far
more important ~BE~ whatever *feels* right in the situation ....

Wether its writing emails, or going to a demonstrations, and waving a Peace
banner.... or sitting at home and devote an hour a day in visualizing
PEACE to all .... sending love and light to a hurting world, is between us
and Creator ....

Whoever said *that which you resist persists* knew what he was talking
about .... you cannot stand *against* it only works standing FOR ..... [the
Universe does not recognize a negative].....

Peace to all

Olga


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amstelland420@...
02-16-2003, 08:18 AM
It is sad to see that a message board that was once somewhat intelligent, has
now degenerated into a third grade think tank. This will be my last post, as
I believe that folks are known by the company they keep. Being a member of
this E-group is now an embarassment, as all the posts lack even rudimentary
understanding of the content originally presented. This was once an
interesting board, now it is more like a high-school girls club. I apologize
for my derision, however the intellectually impoverished nature of this group
provides so much fodder with which to deride, I find it difficult not to.
Happy Horse **** Everybody...It seems that these e-mails are full of it.
Spread it around, and forward it to everyone you know! Perhaps you too can
contaminate a mind before it realizes its potential.


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jon scott
02-16-2003, 01:27 PM
I've been receiving messages for about 10 days now from this group and I've
found about 5% to be interesting. I have to agree with amstelland.

bjorn_nitmou
02-16-2003, 07:01 PM
Amstell light - whats up? Sorry that that was your last post, or did
you mean first post? - or whatever........
Im sorry that you are dissapointed with the messages you have read in
this space. You are frustrated and angry with all the small people
that have brought you down. Thats fair. I respect your emotions.
You are generally a good person, but are prone to offensive
outbursts, is this correct? The people on this list are a kin to a
high school girls club....and we all know how highschool girls
deserve to be treated dont we? Or anyone who does not possess the
intellectual capacity of yourself for that matter. You express the
emmotion of distain for the members of this group because they do not
work as hard as you to attian knowledge, is this correct? To be
associated with them would cause you to feel shame. Therefore you
must punish them with your harsh words. You must scold this group of
people into a state of shame and embarassment in order for them to
comply with your high standards. Your ego mandates that you identify
only with the most intelligent and thought provoking of people - Any
less would be a discredit to your perceived creator. If you still
choose to separate yourself from this group - Please do it as
harmlessly as you see fit, by the morals that you keep.


--- In asc2k@yahoogroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postID=QTe9TdRVV9ZbqyNZh6vdnHsSuFzeG6l4_bYubq aSs-P54VkbEs4ueqOaRlCQ0O4pm0wWkkgC8utlMPc), amstelland420@A... wrote:
> It is sad to see that a message board that was once somewhat
intelligent, has
> now degenerated into a third grade think tank. This will be my last
post, as
> I believe that folks are known by the company they keep. Being a
member of
> this E-group is now an embarassment, as all the posts lack even
rudimentary
> understanding of the content originally presented. This was once an
> interesting board, now it is more like a high-school girls club. I
apologize
> for my derision, however the intellectually impoverished nature of
this group
> provides so much fodder with which to deride, I find it difficult
not to.
> Happy Horse **** Everybody...It seems that these e-mails are full
of it.
> Spread it around, and forward it to everyone you know! Perhaps you
too can
> contaminate a mind before it realizes its potential.
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Zoe
02-16-2003, 07:02 PM
I've been receiving messages for about 10 days now from this group and I've
found about 5% to be interesting. I have to agree with amstelland.

Can you be more specific?
Zoe


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