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mirehiel

07-03-2001, 09:58 PM

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>Brian,wrote:
>>Sometimes I do wonder if smoking MJ is a roadblock of sorts,
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>On Tue, 3 Jul 2001
>John Carlo replies:
Jesus said not to take the kingdom of heaven by force. Basically, what he was saying here was to find the kingdom naturally and through meditation instead of using mind alteing drugs to get you there. We have a responsiblity to keep the living temple ( Human Body) healthy. In order to ascend, we must work on the Body, mind and spirit. All 3 are important. Everything we consume, whether it be mind altering drugs, food or the air we breath, all has an impact on the chakra system and endocrine system.
>
>John Carlo, et alia,
>First, you have taken Jesus' words out of context. He was NOT making a pronouncement about pot.
>Second, pot IS natural. It's a herb! (So were the mushrooms natural that were part of the sacred Egyptian temple rites). And, I would submit, that rather than mind altering, it is mind opening, and expanding. And isn't that the objective of what you call meditation?
>Third, you have a very narrow view of what meditation is. Must it be done seated, crossed-legged, and deep in silence? Or may it be done in a much wider context?From an ascended point of view, EVERY act can be done in a state of meditation and can therefore be a key to the kingdom, and not an act of force. The famous Tibetan Monk Milarepa once said, "I have meditated for so long that I have forgotten how to meditate," meaning that, for him there was no longer any difference between meditating and any other actions.
>The problem with so much of the conversation, here and elsewhere, about The Ascension, is that there are too many people trying to codify the "how to" of it. You must eat this, drink that, read such and such, and be sure that you are 50+% in STO. All so much bull ****. The only path to Ascension is to live it...NOW...putting it off to some future date is illusion. If recognizing one's responsibility to live, in this moment, as though you are the "Godling" that you say you are, if through touching the stream of consciousness that is all there is, if KNOWING that you are already ascended, ...if any of that is enhanced by yogic meditation, Dervish dancing, fasting in the desert, OR smoking a bowl, bring it on!
>Sanctimonious diatribes and lists of "shoulds and should nots" wont cut it. At least not with me.
>
>Johnny
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David Wilcock

07-04-2001, 06:12 AM

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>"The problem with so much of the conversation, here and elsewhere, about The Ascension, is that there are too many people trying to codify the "how to" of it. You must eat this, drink that, read such and such, and be sure that you are 50+% in STO. All so much bull ****."
>
>"Sanctimonious diatribes and lists of "shoulds and should nots" wont cut it. At least not with me."
>
>
>Johnny,
>
>I'm very surprised that you would "take it outside" after the positive tone of every communication in our previous interactions, most of which have been private. Of all people to attack I certainly didn't expect you to be one of them. As soon as someone uses profane language their level of respect drops. And to lob accusations of being "sanctimonious?" Where is the Johnny I thought I knew?
>
>Now I know that others could easily do this for me, butlet's get clear about a few things. I'm not angry, just surprised, so I'll make this short and spare everyone.
>
>1. I am here to give service. People ask me, "How do you eat," and I tell them. People ask me, "Why don't you use marijuana," and I tell them. Did I say they "had to" eat that way? No. How prominent is the dietetic information on my website? Buried down near the bottom of "Main Article / Readings Archive." Over and over again, I tell people, "PLEASE don't judge the website material by the discussion group." And guess what... it still happens.
>
>2. I don't use marijuana because I am an addictive personality and I wasn't able to control myself. And I'm sorry, but if you're on someone's discussion list who has nine years clean time, you're not likely to "win" the case for smoking pot. The night before I wrote that I was on the phone with my old friend Chris, who is obviously Morton Blumenthal's reincarnation as I wrote. He has FINALLY gotten clean (~4 months) after a prolonged battle with addiction. Recovery is the best thing that has ever happened to him in his life, period. And until he actually got down and honest with himself, he never really tasted happiness. I laid everything out for him for all these years ever since I met him, but until he dropped the sarcastic attitude and got real, he continued suffering.
>
>Look. Bottom line. Lots of people smoke marijuana or eat crappy diets, whatever. I have never said that any of these things will "prevent" Ascension. I will, however, make a definite point of the importance of choosing to be of service-to-others in daily interactions. "Ordinary" people can be very extremely self-serving and for them, a little kindness and compassion can be quite a difficult road to follow. All that we have ever been discussing here is something that is solely related to the vibrational level that you have attained at the time the vortex opens. Like a thermometer, it goes up and it goes down. Providing that we're inclined on the positive path, everything we think, say and do in our lives will do one of three things... make it higher, make it lower or make it unchanged. So please respect the fact that people can ask me questions, get the answers and not be judged.
>
>Peace be with you -
>
>- David

merkaba_@...

07-04-2001, 12:23 PM

Dear Johnny boy,

I gave my opinion and if you do not like it then don't read my
posts. We all cannot agree. That is what makes the world so colorful,
don't you think? Keep on smoking your weed. I will meditate.

The big problem with drugs is that it opens up the chakras and you
might not be ready yet for any particular chakra to open based on your
evolution. LSD, pot etc. etc. etc. are mind altering drugs that can do
more harm then good if you are not ready for those levels of
consciousness. Meditation will never harm you becuase you are working
with your own light patterns and the god within will only give you what
you need at any given moment. God will not rush you to the Pineal gland
if you are not ready. Drugs have no patience. They drive you up the
spine whether you are a good person or a jackass. IF you are a jackass,
then you will find that higher states of being will hurt you and hurt
others in your path...... John Carlo

Jeremy Weiland

07-04-2001, 10:55 PM

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> If I could butt in here... I don't think John M. was speaking to you, David, but rather to John Carlo and his "Drugs don't work and that's that" line of thought. 
>
> A Ra excerpt comes to mind concerning the 10 commandments. Ra said that they were negatively influenced because no positive entity would ever say "thou shalt not."
>
> Surely we can all respect the dignity ofeach other's individual paths. There may be consequences to drug use, but it is an experience just like any other, which makes it valid and potentially a learning tool, right?
>
> I felt like your post, David, was very informative without shaking the finger at pot smokers or telling someone how to live. John C. may have come across a little more harshly, and I think John M. was just pointing out that Jesus never had to deal with pot and that he was pretty much trying to make a moral point where none was neccessary.
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> Obviously this is a touchy issue and more diplomacy is needed by all parties.
>
> Later,
>
> Jeremy
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From: David Wilcock <djw333@exis.net>
To: asc2k@yahoogroups.com <asc2k@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Wednesday, July 04, 2001 9:12 AM
Subject: Re: [asc2k] For John Carlo


>
>"The problem with so much of the conversation, here and elsewhere, about The Ascension, is that there are too many people trying to codify the "how to" of it. You must eat this, drink that, read such and such, and be sure that you are 50+% in STO. All so much bull ****."
>
>"Sanctimonious diatribes and lists of "shoulds and should nots" wont cut it. At least not with me."
>
>
>Johnny,
>
>I'm very surprised that you would "take it outside" after the positive tone of every communication in our previous interactions, most of which have been private. Of all people to attack I certainly didn't expect you to be one of them. As soon as someone uses profane language their level of respect drops. And to lob accusations of being "sanctimonious?" Where is the Johnny I thought I knew?
>
>Now I know that others could easily do this for me, butlet's get clear about a few things. I'm not angry, just surprised, so I'll make this short and spare everyone.
>
>1. I am here to give service. People ask me, "How do you eat," and I tell them. People ask me, "Why don't you use marijuana," and I tell them. Did I say they "had to" eat that way? No. How prominent is the dietetic information on my website? Buried down near the bottom of "Main Article / Readings Archive." Over and over again, I tell people, "PLEASE don't judge the website material by the discussion group." And guess what... it still happens.
>
>2. I don't use marijuana because I am an addictive personality and I wasn't able to control myself. And I'm sorry, but if you're on someone's discussion list who has nine years clean time, you're not likely to "win" the case for smoking pot. The night before I wrote that I was on the phone with my old friend Chris, who is obviously Morton Blumenthal's reincarnation as I wrote. He has FINALLY gotten clean (~4 months) after a prolonged battle with addiction. Recovery is the best thing that has ever happened to him in his life, period. And until he actually got down and honest with himself, he never really tasted happiness. I laid everything out for him for all these years ever since I met him, but until he dropped the sarcastic attitude and got real, he continued suffering.
>
>Look. Bottom line. Lots of people smoke marijuana or eat crappy diets, whatever. I have never said that any of these things will "prevent" Ascension. I will, however, make a definite point of the importance of choosing to be of service-to-others in daily interactions. "Ordinary" people can be very extremely self-serving and for them, a little kindness and compassion can be quite a difficult road to follow. All that we have ever been discussing here is something that is solely related to the vibrational level that you have attained at the time the vortex opens. Like a thermometer, it goes up and it goes down. Providing that we're inclined on the positive path, everything we think, say and do in our lives will do one of three things... make it higher, make it lower or make it unchanged. So please respect the fact that people can ask me questions, get the answers and not be judged.
>
>Peace be with you -
>
>- David
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David Wilcock

07-05-2001, 06:57 AM

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> If I could butt in here... I don't think John M. was speaking to you, David, but rather to John Carlo and his "Drugs don't work and that's that" line of thought.
>
>- I re-read the original post and it could be interpreted that way, though I imagined it was cross-referencing my original post. I was frankly surprised and that was the main reason I wrote the letter. 
>
> A Ra excerpt comes to mind concerning the 10 commandments. Ra said that they were negatively influenced because no positive entity would ever say "thou shalt not."
>
>- Right... all paths of experience are valid. For me, I was obviously intended beforehand to use marijuana, having been born into a family where it was used. I also know that I had no real concept of what a trance state or ecstatic state could really be like before then, because my life was fairly miserable, and I was unpopular and overweight. I have stated before that all this was due to my extreme alienation of being a Wanderer. I can say that marijuana use did help me to regain something I had lost; the idea that I could actually enjoy my life. This is the self-medicating aspect of its use. In my case I realized over time that my 'grand experiment in consciousness' had become a prison. I can honestly say that it took me, in my case, about three additional years before I could start finding my way back into those pathways of the mind, but I strongly encourage people to work the dreamwork/meditation discipline for that. 
>
> Surely we can all respect the dignity ofeach other's individual paths. There may be consequences to drug use, but it is an experience just like any other, which makes it valid and potentially a learning tool, right?
>
>- Everyone forgets that thisis a public forum and we are talking about an illegal drug! Think.Anyone can read this, including those who would write vicious articles and publicly attack me, not to mention my ongoing surveillance. So no, I cannot endorse the use of an illegal substance, sorry. I do not want to be misquoted out of context.
>
> I felt like your post, David, was very informative without shaking the finger at pot smokers or telling someone how to live. John C. may have come across a little more harshly, and I think John M. was just pointing out that Jesus never had to deal with pot and that he was pretty much trying to make a moral point where none was neccessary.
>
> Obviously this is a touchy issue and more diplomacy is needed by all parties.
>
>Yes, there seems to be plenty of fish and magnesium to go around... :)
>
>Peace be with you -
>
>- David
>
> Later,
>
> Jeremy