The New Face Of Jesus

[Tarzan]

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... now as I looked at the drawing of
the new Jesus.... what did I see.... a thug... a stupid
looking
thug..
[~] ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Yea, I hear ya Dolores. That composite pic of "Jesus" is
rat-ugly. It is very unlikely that a highly-evolved being
like Jesus would incarnate looking like a common thug. I
agree that it is part of the establishment's desire to break
down people's connection with Jesus.

Included here at the bottom of this post is a picture that I
think looks far more what Jesus actually looked like. Much
better, yes?

BTW, there was a post a while ago asking about Sai Baba, so
here's my comment about him: he's a classic 4-D negative
entity who is aware of the mysteries of life, but twists
them around so that he appears as an Avatar. For a while I
also bought into the idea of Sai Baba being a true Avatar
and went to local banjans at a home of a local family who
are totally devoted to Sai Baba and have traveled to India
to receive darshans.

But then I started to wonder--is he really God incarnate as
a true Avatar or is he something else? Something about him
bugged me, so I went searching on the net and found some
sites that were highly critical of him. I wrote to several
people about him and they responded to me confirming to me
the facts about him, which both did/didn't surprise me.
These people were dedicated devotees of Sai Baba for many
years, but they noticed some strange things about him and
all of them were banished from his ashram as soon as the
inner circle sensed any doubt from those former devotees.

Without going into detail about Sai Baba negative traits, I
just will say that he is certainly NOT an Avatar and that he
is a classic 4-D negative entity who will most likely make
the grade to 4-D as a 4-D STS entity.

In any case, the drawing of Sai Baba's alleged future
incarnation as "Prema Sai Baba", allegedly incarnating at
2021 AD--just at a time when the shifted Earth would still
be recovering from the massive shocks of the shift and would
be healing with (as I understand it) no population of any
humans on the planet--to me is very much like how Jesus
would have looked, imo.

~Seth





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[Tarzan]

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Maybe you should
try to look at EVERY person as though they were Jesus,
regardles of
how they look, sorry.
[~] ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~
Bob,

You're right. Hmmm.

While I do agree that the Divinity is within every single
one of us all, from Hitler on up to the saints, many are
still heavily distorted and are not able to inspire others
to reach up like Jesus did. Look at the comments from the
urls that Barry (thanks, Barry) sent in--now imagine such
comments made if Jesus looked like that composite drawing.
No way would Jesus have made the impact that he did if he
did not look anything but stunningly beautiful and God-like.
There really is something spiritual about physical beauty,
yet too many beautiful people on the planet abuse their own
gifts of beauty, it seems.

And beauty is not just the outer appearance, but also, more
importantly, the overall radiance of Light/Love from within.

Thanks, Bob, for your feedback. I'll take a look at my own
judgement of the composite "thug" even though I have treated
minorities nearly every time with respect as a way of
counterbalancing the all-too-prevalent prejudices of others.
Frequently they are surprised with the receipt of my respect
and some have thanked me for this.

~Seth



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[Light Eye]

Dear Friends,

This is going to have a lot of "believers" chocking on their morning coffee.

http://www.cnn.com/2002/TECH/science/12/25/face.jesus/index.html

Love and Light.

David



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<universal_heartbeat2012@y...> wrote:
>
> Dear Friends,
> This is going to have a lot of "believers"
> chocking on their morning coffee.
> http://www.cnn.com/2002/TECH/science/12/25/face.jesus/index.html
> Love and Light.
> David
>

The hidden message is dwelving in this
realm that our physical bodies are
nothing more than high technology,
biotechnology.

How does the 4D interface with the 3D?
It is likely via special brain hardware,
the pineal gland.

Isn't astral projection, remote viewing,
clairvoyance, clairaudience, etc., etc.
manifestations of the 4d plane? A shift
will simply entail personal transformation
to activate these capabilities.

The personal transformations will likely
be obtained by way of some cyclic trauma.
Maybe not so far different than
"A Christmas Carol", did anybody watch
that? There are other transformational
movies, can anybody think of some? They
have trauma as a key component in breaking
down the old to birth the new. This
is how the "biotechnology" works.

The fear of some "mass boarding event"
implies it is like some sick train ride
to genocide. Let's pray that humanity
has evolved beyond genocide.

A more likely occurance
would be simply that more people will be
tapping into the 4D capabilities...more
telepathy and world harmony. Think of
people physically in 3D but spacing out
in 4D, not so bad is it? Doesn't that
seem like a likely evolutionary step?
That people will have prophetic dreams
and read each other's minds, flowing
synchronistically like Heaven on Earth.

There is a universal principle: "do the
best with what you have and you'll be
given more." Has humanity done the best
with the biotechnology it uses? What
would life be like if everyone was
enlightened?

Look forward to the Scrooges of the
world running around happy. And the
face of Jesus needs a bigger smile.

[Barry Carter]

Dear Friends,

You can read some accounts of the appearance of Jesus which are said to
have been written by people who saw him at:

http://www.subtleenergies.com/ormus/jesus/descript.htm

A remarkable portrait of Jesus was painted by Glenda Green. This portrait
can be found on her web site at:

http://www.lovewithoutend.com/

--

With kindest regards,

Barry Carter
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[ninlil2012]

There has been a definite movement against christians for a long
time... the reason???.......the new world order WANTS there to be one
religion for their one government of the planet... one set of laws
for all... one type of money for everyone.... A stupid idea you
say??? well stupid or not.. that is the plan and is well underway in
case you are aware of it or not.... now as I looked at the drawing of
the new Jesus.... what did I see.... a thug... a stupid looking
thug.. I don't know what you thought... but my first though was...
now they are attacking even the Jesus who was a special spiritual
man... who in the past... looked holy... Now it doesn't matter what
you or I think of who Jesus was or what he was.... this attacks the
very heart of christianity and I do not like it.. It makes me really
angry.... and evrything the new world order stands for makes me
angry .... I wonder how much longer we will have to wait until the
average american wakes up and sees what this country has become...
how much longer....now a last thought.... maybe all our religions are
outdated outmoded ideas... who knows.. but we have to decide that for
ourselves... we will never be pushed into a one world idea of
religion which is backed by evil men...I can only guess at what they
think the CREATOR is... I am sure it is not the same as mine.

[bob_dunham]

Ok guys, maybe Im missing some incredibly thick sarcasm here, but if
you guys are serious with those comments.......I dont know, but there
are a lot of people who do look like that, maybe Jesus didnt - But
when you use those words to describe someone, you are still talking
to a lot of people who do look like that. The amount of judgement in
the below comments is shocking. I could see how a lot of innocent
people who do look like that could be very hurt. Maybe you should
try to look at EVERY person as though they were Jesus, regardles of
how they look, sorry.



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> From: ninlil2012 <ninlil2@s...>
> [mailto:ninlil2@s...]
> ... now as I looked at the drawing of
> the new Jesus.... what did I see.... a thug... a stupid
> looking
> thug..
> [~] ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Yea, I hear ya Dolores. That composite pic of "Jesus" is
> rat-ugly. It is very unlikely that a highly-evolved being
> like Jesus would incarnate looking like a common thug

[jha_amin]

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<bob_dunham@h...> wrote:
> Ok guys, maybe Im missing some incredibly thick sarcasm here, but
if
> you guys are serious with those comments.......I dont know, but
there
> are a lot of people who do look like that, maybe Jesus didnt - But
> when you use those words to describe someone, you are still
talking
> to a lot of people who do look like that. The amount of judgement
in
> the below comments is shocking. I could see how a lot of innocent
> people who do look like that could be very hurt. Maybe you should
> try to look at EVERY person as though they were Jesus, regardles
of
> how they look, sorry.
>

Thank you Bob. Well said.


The face is no indication as to what is in the heart.

(although, i don't think d meant her post to reflect only toward
the way the composite appeared, but the attitude of the public in
general toward chriatianity)

[Dave M.]

This is NOT the face of Jesus, it is the face of the average Jew at the
time! According to the article they "started with an Israeli skull dating
back to the 1st century. They then used computer programs, clay, simulated
skin and their knowledge about the Jewish people of the time to determine
the shape of the face, and color of eyes and skin. "

Do you believe that we could get an accurate composite of Hitler by using a
skull from any Nazi from the 1900's? Maybe it would look like G.W. Bush?
...sorry George :)

What I really found interesting about the pic is the expression of worry on
the face. Also, notice how the eyes are crooked. Hold a straight edge
horizontally across and try to connect the corners of the eyes. They should
align, but don't. This is either a very bad artist, or a deliberate attempt
at distortion. I doubt that the average Jew looked like this either!

[Zoe]

Dear Friends,

This is going to have a lot of "believers" chocking on their morning coffee.

http://www.cnn.com/2002/TECH/science/12/25/face.jesus/index.html

Love and Light.

David


I would not want to meet this man in a dark alley at night! And if there's
anybody here who looks like that -- get off this list!!! (Joke)

First of all, these scientists didn't even read their Bible history! They
called Jesus's face a "peasant face." Please! Mary's family and Joseph's
family were well-to-do. All the facts are there: the houses they lived in, the
way they dressed, the visits to cousin Elizabeth, not to mention Joseph's
occupation. In that desert land, a carpenter was one of the highest paid jobs
around, comparable today to a hot tub salesman in Alaska or a computer repair
person in Afghanistan.

Second of all, these scientists also have an abysmal ignorance of a cutting
edge new psychology called "Psycho-photography." It is an off-shoot of "body
language" (something I teach) and can within a 97% accuracy give a brief
personality description of the person being photographed based only on the
surface skin of the face. It's mathematical and is also computerized. I ask:
Where is the sweetness in that face? Where is the love?

Third of all, as Seth pointed out in his last book (on health), "There is a
physiological, chemical response in the body to every single thought we have."
This also carries out on the face -- and the older we get, the more pronounced
it becomes. Our personality is indeed stamped on our faces. Actors understand
this intuitively, and that's why they find it so important to get into the
"mindset" of a character. Jesus was, if anything, seriously funny! As all
enlightened beings are. Of all the descriptions I've read of him (channeled and
historical), the only one that came close to feeling "right" was in the
historical paragraph one guy sent. The historian was overly flattering and
therefore suspect, but his words, "His (Jesus) look (was) innocent and mature."
really told it all. :)

Best,
Coba





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[Barry Carter]

Dear Coba,

At 05:45 PM 12/26/2002, you wrote:
> First of all, these scientists didn't even read their Bible
> history! They called Jesus's face a "peasant face." Please! Mary's
> family and Joseph's family were well-to-do. All the facts are
> there: the houses they lived in, the way they dressed, the visits to
> cousin Elizabeth, not to mention Joseph's occupation. In that desert
> land, a carpenter was one of the highest paid jobs around, comparable
> today to a hot tub salesman in Alaska or a computer repair person in
> Afghanistan.

In line with this, Glenda Green in "Love Without End - Jesus Speaks" writes:

>Knowing that the Master's family belonged to the house of David, within
>the tribe of Judah, I studied the recorded attributes of those people.
>Each of the twelve tribes of Israel had its own character, appearance and
>domain. Then, as now, genetic potential in Israel was greater than
>limiting stereotypes might tend to suggest. Ten of the twelve tribes had
>disappeared when the Babylonians scattered the Jewish people in the
>Diaspora (the "lost tribes of Israel " that we often read about). Only the
>lines of David and Benjamin, the Levites, and remnants of other tribes
>returned home. From David came the rulers, aristocrats, and military elite
>of Jewish society, a fact which made them the target of conquerors. When
>the Romans took control of the Holy Land, they decimated the line of
>David, leaving the others to carry on.
>
>Centuries later, as medieval Europeans returned from pilgrimages to the
>Holy Land, they would bring home descriptions of that limited sample of
>Jewish potential, co-mingled with memories of Arab and other Middle East
>people costumed in typical desert attire. These reports were often biased,
>and formed the backbone of oversimplified pictorial descriptions which
>persist even into modern times, most especially in Christian art.
>
>Within the few surviving descriptions of ancient Jews, there can be found
>references to the Tribe of Judah as often being taller and the "fairest of
>the fair." When asking my Semitic friends as to the meaning of "fair" in
>their world, I was cautioned not to assume that it would likely mean blond
>in the Nordic sense. However, it could include light olive to fair skin
>with hair ranging from light golden brown to red-brown, and eyes from
>hazel to blue green.
>
>Although He might have appeared in different ways to different people, the
>charisma which drew strangers and crowds to Him tends to suggest that He
>was exceptionally appealing by some measure-at least when He chose to be!
>What form that might have taken, I could only guess, and guessing is
>something that a true portraitist is loath to do. The earliest paintings
>of Him, from the first and second centuries, show a handsome youth, but
>those portrayals reflected the influence of Roman fascination with Apollo
>rather than any true likeness of the Nazarene. Often those symbolic
>parallels came to be exploited and confused as the church was Romanized.


--

With kindest regards,

Barry Carter
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[bob_dunham]

Wrote: It is an off-shoot of "body language" (something I teach) and
can within a 97% accuracy give a brief personality description of the
person being photographed based only on the surface skin of the
face. It's mathematical and is also computerized. I ask: Where is
the sweetness in that face? Where is the love?


_____________
That's very interesting. I certainly respect the intuition involved
in many of the statements many people made about the Jesus drawing.
But even if you can tell what someone may be like just upon their
appearance - We need to remember there is still another step I
think. Part of judgment is viewing people as "guilty." So even if
someone has a certain look to them, you can still give them the
opportunity to be "innocent" by the way you treat them. Behave in an
unassuming way towards people, and give people the opportunity to
change. Regardless of how someone looks, you should treat them as
though they are "innocent" and in assuming the best, you do not hold
peoples images in such a stagnant and unchanging way, thus allowing
people to change and be innocent and positive at any given moment.
What someone looks like may tell us something about their past, but
you can help them to be who they want to be in the future.

[Zoe]

Regardless of how someone looks, you should treat them as
though they are "innocent" and in assuming the best, you do not hold
peoples images in such a stagnant and unchanging way, thus allowing
people to change and be innocent and positive at any given moment.
What someone looks like may tell us something about their past, but
you can help them to be who they want to be in the future.


Agreed, Bob. Well put!

Coba


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[Zoe]

Thanks for sending this further description, Barry. I'm sure she's right.
For what it's worth I once had a dream about Jesus that really stuck with me.
This was 20 years ago! In the dream he was indeed tall (for that era), about
5'11". He had red-brown hair (some refer to it as chestnut, some as auburn, so
those terms can be confusing), and deep, humorous brown eyes with a nice
forehead over which his hair fell on either side. His nose was long and
aristocratic, but not pinched, his cheekbones were on the high side and
prominent and his mouth was neither thin nor thick, somewhere around medium.
His body was tough and strong, neither too thin nor paunchy. He rather
personified a House of David "golden mean." (If you know what I mean!) But I'm
sure someone on this list will be quick to point out (and rightly so) that it
was what Jesus had on the inside that is important.

Another thought for any of you who write fiction or like to read it. Any
fiction writer will tell you that, indeed, the outer appearance reflects the
inner person. Otherwise, fiction writers would create characters that weren't
authentic and readers would not believe them.

Zoe Coba


Dear Coba,
In line with this, Glenda Green in "Love Without End - Jesus Speaks" writes:

>Knowing that the Master's family belonged to the house of David, within
>the tribe of Judah, I studied the recorded attributes of those people.
>Each of the twelve tribes of Israel had its own character, appearance and
>domain. Then, as now, genetic potential in Israel was greater than
>limiting stereotypes might tend to suggest. Ten of the twelve tribes had
>disappeared when the Babylonians scattered the Jewish people in the
>Diaspora (the "lost tribes of Israel " that we often read about). Only the
>lines of David and Benjamin, the Levites, and remnants of other tribes
>returned home. From David came the rulers, aristocrats, and military elite
>of Jewish society, a fact which made them the target of conquerors. When
>the Romans took control of the Holy Land, they decimated the line of
>David, leaving the others to carry on.
>
>Centuries later, as medieval Europeans returned from pilgrimages to the
>Holy Land, they would bring home descriptions of that limited sample of
>Jewish potential, co-mingled with memories of Arab and other Middle East
>people costumed in typical desert attire. These reports were often biased,
>and formed the backbone of oversimplified pictorial descriptions which
>persist even into modern times, most especially in Christian art.
>
>Within the few surviving descriptions of ancient Jews, there can be found
>references to the Tribe of Judah as often being taller and the "fairest of
>the fair." When asking my Semitic friends as to the meaning of "fair" in
>their world, I was cautioned not to assume that it would likely mean blond
>in the Nordic sense. However, it could include light olive to fair skin
>with hair ranging from light golden brown to red-brown, and eyes from
>hazel to blue green.
>
>Although He might have appeared in different ways to different people, the
>charisma which drew strangers and crowds to Him tends to suggest that He
>was exceptionally appealing by some measure-at least when He chose to be!
>What form that might have taken, I could only guess, and guessing is
>something that a true portraitist is loath to do. The earliest paintings
>of Him, from the first and second centuries, show a handsome youth, but
>those portrayals reflected the influence of Roman fascination with Apollo
>rather than any true likeness of the Nazarene. Often those symbolic
>parallels came to be exploited and confused as the church was Romanized.


--

With kindest regards,

Barry Carter
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