Mass boarding event

[Tarzan]

Boarders,

I am grappling with the idea of this "mass boarding event".

Will there be a pseudo-mass boarding event staged by the dark forces?

Will there be three mass boarding events?

This event is reminiscent of the Biblical Rapture, an event that I once had
derided. People roll their eyes when they hear of this "mass boarding event"--I
can't blame them, but I explain that I have a very high confidence level in
David/Ra and that reading and leave it at that. I tell people that they can
take what they resonate with when I hand them a copy of the reading.

I suspect that the dogs of war won't really take off until after the first mass
boarding event happens, so between now and that first event, simply an
intensification of on-going events will happen, i.e. natural events like
earthquakes and such. But after the first mass boarding event, what will life
be like? Quite nasty in lots of areas, but not all, I bet.

Perhaps some people who otherwise would be free and able to go on the first mass
boarding event could choose to pass up that first one with the aim of helping
those who remain, only to go ahead and go on the second one or the third one? I
may make this choice since I am very familiar with ways and means of survival,
so could help others who are clueless in these areas to cope. I am asking my
Higher Self to put me where I could best serve/help the largest number of people
in my remaining time.

I am so sad that I really can't think of anything that I'd put on my eptitaph of
my 3-D life that I've had so far. I only have my unmanifest dreams to point to,
many of which I could have created, had I not wasted so much of my life being so
depressed. I'm so sad about this. I feel like that I have failed me, my Higher
Self and All That Is.

I am preparing for this event by:

1)Working on the rest of my karmic connections.

2)Working on myself to purify myself as much as possible by having my raw foods,
meditating and working out. I wish to go out as healthy and vibrant as I can
be.

3)Working to bring in as much living-neccessities--TOILET PAPER, firewood,
sprouting seeds, etc, etc--for those who may choose to pass up the event for
later ones or those who choose to stay. Such supplies would be stored at
strategic places where fair numbers of people could stay/live fairly comfortably
and ride things out.

4)Stock up on books like the Ra Material, Seth Material, etc. so that those who
are riding out the events could grow in leaps and bounds inbetween the first,
second and third mass boarding events.

5)Snag useful info off the web and store them on my computer, then get
independent power supplies that can power the computer, printer, etc. for the
use of the survivor communities; however, used books would be the prime source
of info, since EMP weapons could render 'puters obsolete.

The whole purpose of "surviving" is to create more opportunities for more
spritual growth that can only happen in space/time realities. I am getting
funny feelings of deja vu about this event, my reactions/preparations for it and
other's reactions to this probable event--all from the Atlantean period, where
similar warnings were issued, which were ignored by most, but noted by few who
had presciently escaped prior to the three major breakup/sinking events that
eventually sunk the whole thingy. I seem to do best when things are on the line
in overtime with no timeouts left--it's part of my past as a frequent warrior
and can't help but feel that this is that time. The hour is at hand. The time
has come.

These are my thoughts around this mass boarding event.

~Seth


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[Barry Carter]

Dear jha_amin,

At 01:13 PM 12/23/2002, you wrote:
>--- In asc2k@yahoogroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postID=eUsGCX7oDLExkr248PpcvZm0HWYogmDFXRT4y0 D6Un9g1viLvtebw4RMuo2dyzPOi9y32FGaiTxIOTudTcxLFg), "Tarzan" <tarzan@n...> wrote:
> > Boarders,
> >
> > I am grappling with the idea of this "mass boarding event".
> >
> > Will there be a pseudo-mass boarding event staged by the dark
>forces?
> >
> > Will there be three mass boarding events?
> >
>
>Never underestimate the wiles of your foe.
>If the dark side is your enemy, why not admit they are cunning and
>regard them as such. Be aware that deceit is the norm for the other
>camp.

Here is an applicable suggestion from the I Ching:

"Even if only one inferior man is occupying a ruling position in a city, he
is able to oppress superior men. Even a single passion still lurking in the
heart has power to obscure reason. Passion and reason cannot exist side by
side--therefore fight without quarter is necessary if the good is to prevail.

In a resolute struggle of the good against evil, there are, however,
definite rules that must not be disregarded, if it is to succeed. First,
resolution must be based on a union of strength and friendliness. Second, a
compromise with evil is not possible; evil must under all circumstances be
openly discredited. Nor must our own passions and shortcomings be glossed
over. Third, the struggle must not be carried on directly by force. If evil
is branded, it thinks of weapons, and if we do it the favor of fighting
against it blow for blow, we lose in the end because thus we ourselves get
entangled in hatred and passion. Therefore it is important to begin at
home, to be on guard in our own persons against the faults we have branded.
In this way, finding no opponent, the sharp edges of the weapons of evil
become dulled. For the same reasons we should not combat our own faults
directly. As long as we wrestle with them, they continue victorious.
Finally, the best way to fight evil is to make energetic progress in the good."



--

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--- In asc2k@yahoogroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postID=Gey87mEa_2ksVM-ecEGDXmFi3TkOAy4xDi2HbfFjhvglSKfkNVmM1nqM07LVPfXyc 28LpLZ-ZD0-jRy0Ew), "Tarzan" <tarzan@n...> wrote:
> Boarders,
>
> I am grappling with the idea of this "mass boarding event".
>
> Will there be a pseudo-mass boarding event staged by the dark
forces?
>
> Will there be three mass boarding events?
>

Never underestimate the wiles of your foe.
If the dark side is your enemy, why not admit they are cunning and
regard them as such. Be aware that deceit is the norm for the other
camp.

[bob_dunham]

Im confused, are people suggesting a negetive MBE? Then what are
they gonna do with you? Couldnt they just abduct you now if they
really wanted to? Or abduct you later for that matter. I dont think
Davids reading addressed a negetive MBE, if it were a likely
possibility, maybe it would have been mentioned.........who knows.



--- In asc2k@yahoogroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postID=PVtAQQeAQw6u5xYR-Yvj7YnfT3ye4h-fA5wBRufaAkycfifWEOKYQN_JjkZ4MZ2VpuN2B5pKfBUi7ikvW A), "jha_amin <frm@a...>" <frm@a...> wrote:
> --- In asc2k@yahoogroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postID=PVtAQQeAQw6u5xYR-Yvj7YnfT3ye4h-fA5wBRufaAkycfifWEOKYQN_JjkZ4MZ2VpuN2B5pKfBUi7ikvW A), "Tarzan" <tarzan@n...> wrote:
> > Boarders,
> >
> > I am grappling with the idea of this "mass boarding event".
> >
> > Will there be a pseudo-mass boarding event staged by the dark
> forces?
> >
> > Will there be three mass boarding events?
> >
>
> Never underestimate the wiles of your foe.
> If the dark side is your enemy, why not admit they are cunning and
> regard them as such. Be aware that deceit is the norm for the
other
> camp.

[Chris Hamilton]

Seth says:I am asking my Higher Self to put me where I could best serve/help the
largest number of people in my remaining time.

Chris: And, this will happen Seth, because you have asked.You always hear
yourself:)

Seth: I am so sad that I really can't think of anything that I'd put on my
eptitaph of my 3-D life that I've had so far.

Chris: Then, simply start loving (which I think you already have a handle on
btw:). I think you would have more to put on that stone than you thought. And,
the list will get longer, believe me.

Seth: The whole purpose of "surviving" is to create more opportunities for more
spritual growth that can only happen in space/time realities.

Chris: And as Ra said, to learn the ways of love in this density.

Seth: the Atlantean period, where similar warnings were issued, which were
ignored by most, but noted by few who
had presciently escaped prior to the three major breakup/sinking events that
eventually sunk the whole thingy.

Chris: Ah,hah!. That's where I've seen you before.

Seth: I seem to do best when things are on the line
in overtime with no timeouts left--it's part of my past as a frequent warrior
and can't help but feel that this is that time. The hour is at hand. The time
has come.

Chris: Maybe your destiny is to help others get into 4d, as I feel that too.
Warriors are needed to stave off the infidels:)And the best way to do that, imo?
Love one another and support each other. Creating an immense family of
lightworkers and wanderers to bathe the earth in brilliance as One light.




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[jha_amin]

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<bob_dunham@h...> wrote:
> Im confused, are people suggesting a negetive MBE?

The cosmos is about balance. I would guess it is quite likely sts
would have a mirror image of the real thing.
Seems like an opportunigy sts would not pass up.

Then what are
> they gonna do with you? Couldnt they just abduct you now if they
> really wanted to?

If this is a free will cosmos, they would need your permission.
But,i suppose,you could be tricked into giving it.

Or abduct you later for that matter. I dont think
> Davids reading addressed a negetive MBE, if it were a likely
> possibility, maybe it would have been mentioned.........who knows.
>

I think it is something to consider, but at the same time, not
feared. By knowing the mine field you can skip over the dangerous
spots.

Everyone knows the good guys always win. ;)

[David Wilcock]

From: <bob_dunham@... (/group/asc2k/post?postID=eV2MKTbyWI1kXXqkwOHzAiG_KOsMSHO9yqAj9B rHnSjG4ptvbdfO6JVusp8Mm2KhoZNObmeSThmtfLd4)>

> Im confused, are people suggesting a negetive MBE? Then what are
> they gonna do with you? Couldnt they just abduct you now if they
> really wanted to? Or abduct you later for that matter. I dont think
> Davids reading addressed a negetive MBE, if it were a likely
> possibility, maybe it would have been mentioned.........who knows.

DW: In order not to dwell in transient subjects, I ask people to please
remember this answer so I don't have to repeat myself, as I do not want
"greetings" for continuing to answer such questions.

According to Dr. Greer and others, there are those within the negative elite
who seek to stage a "mock invasion" with the available hardware that is in
existence. Some writers, such as Icke, may fully believe that it is only a
matter of time before this occurs.

Again, I'll sound like a broken record here, but these questions are easily
answered for those who have actually studied the five books in the Law of
One series.

We have a protective shield around the earth from negative incursion that Ra
refers to as a "quarantine." Beings higher than Ra organize random, small
openings in this blockade in precise accordance with the degree of free will
requests for such incursions that humanity produces by its own collective
negativity. Despite what we see on the Earth, these "windows" in the
quarantine are few and far between.

Within the philosophical constructs of the Law of One series, when studied
and assimilated, there is no basis to even remotely assume the possibility
that negative beings would ever even begin to be able to create a "negative
mass boarding event." If this were possible they would not have waited -
they would have done this a long time ago. Instead we have the "negative
abduction" scenario, which terrifies people, et cetera, and only those
people who have invited it by their own free will.

The reading was very serious when it said that people will sort themselves
out automatically at this time, as many will be totally unprepared for
something like this and / or think it is a trap. I have seen at least two
examples of people who had visions that showed that the majority of people
who choose to go (remember, we're speaking globally now,) will be younger
people.

You should understand that there is absolutely nothing to stick around for
once this happens. It is literally something that occurs at the absolute
last minute, within one hour of a shift of the poles. This shift causes most
to leave the physical anyway, with only isolated "Mad Max" scenarios
remaining thereafter. Those groups in turn become more important, so I have
been told, because of the fact that they are still incarnate and thus can
still make the choice and be part of future waves of Ascension. Those who
went on in the first wave can return in an Ascended form before those who
they knew who might have still survived.

Way back in the 99 archives there's a reading that was a direct public
response from the source to an argument that I had with Chris Hamilton about
this. At the time she thought there was greater virtue in staying with the
earth and "blowing off" Ascension, but the reading addressed that in quite
some detail.

Again - if someone chooses not to accept the validity of the Law of One
series, then there's really no point in trying to argue about "truth,' since
everyone can have a different spin. All we're trying to do here is stick to
the topic, which is that list members have discerned for themselves that
they want to hear more about the Law of One perspective on various things.
And from that philosophical body of teachings, there is absolutely not the
slightest possibility that negative beings would ever be able to wreak such
havoc. The Guardians are here to insure that absolutely no one will miss out
on Ascension if they are ready, vibrationally speaking, for it.

To call it a mass boarding event is just one assimilable way to describe
something that will be unique for each person. The actual behind the scenes
aspect of it is that it does involve the use of extraterrestrial hardware,
but it could probably be an apparition of Jesus to a Christian, Buddha to a
Buddhist, Mohammed to a Muslim, White Buffalo Calf Woman to a Native
American, et cetera. This is where it is so important to know and read my
own readings instead of trying to analyze one in particular to death.

Read the frickin' books! :) (Offered lovingly and FREE to the world!)

Peace be with you -

- David

[Lesley Schultz]

Hi David and Everyone, and may I wish you all a
wonderful, peaceful and joyous Holiday Season!!

I'm having a bit of a problem with the whole MBE idea,
and I'm hoping that someone can straighten me out.

If we will indeed be offered an opportunity to leave
the earth without actually going through a
catastrophic death experience, e.g. as result of pole
shift, and the invitation will be extended such that
very little time will be available to make up one's
mind and evacuate, I have a question:

If your departure means that you will be abandoning
someone to face the polar shift catastrophe alone,
with probable death resulting, HOW can one be absolved
of the karmic debt involved? I believe it says in the
Ra books that abandoning someone in a situation that
would result in that person's death is a very serious
karmic matter, requiring restitution. Would a mother
be asked to leave her child, or a dependant relative,
or even another living creature of any kind that would
die without support? Does this mean, then, that only
persons without attachments to anyone or any creature
will be asked to participate in an MBE? Is not, after
all, the entire idea of being incarnate on earth right
now to participate in the life of 3D, forming
attachments and giving love wherever one can?

When I was younger [I'm 40 now], I could easily pack
up and move on at a moment's notice, leaving behind
everything and everyone to explore the horizon. I
still have little in the way of possessions to tie me
down, have no husband or boyfriend and no child, but
that doesn't mean I could even contemplate leaving my
15-year-old cat to die alone.

~lesley



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865 York St. #3
Oakland, CA 94610

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[Ruth Paterson]

"If your departure means that you will be abandoning
someone to face the polar shift catastrophe alone,
with probable death resulting, HOW can one be absolved
of the karmic debt involved? I believe it says in the
Ra books that abandoning someone in a situation that
would result in that person's death is a very serious
karmic matter, requiring restitution. Would a mother
be asked to leave her child, or a dependant relative,
or even another living creature of any kind that would
die without support? Does this mean, then, that only
persons without attachments to anyone or any creature
will be asked to participate in an MBE? Is not, after
all, the entire idea of being incarnate on earth right
now to participate in the life of 3D, forming
attachments and giving love wherever one can?

When I was younger [I'm 40 now], I could easily pack
up and move on at a moment's notice, leaving behind
everything and everyone to explore the horizon. I
still have little in the way of possessions to tie me
down, have no husband or boyfriend and no child, but
that doesn't mean I could even contemplate leaving my
15-year-old cat to die alone.

~lesley"

Hi Lesley and all on the list

I agree with you, this is THE question when we get
right down to putting ourselves in the situation. Do
you think that is the final test of STS or STO? And
if you choose STO, maybe your decision to stay and
help (only because it's the right thing to do with no
thought of yourself) IS ascension?
IMHO, was not that was the message of Jesus, who for
me showed us the heart of the All That Is? Merry Xmas
to all! Ruth

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[jha_amin]

Good questions.

I think all have struggled with these questions, and i certainly
have not found an answer that will help.

No doubt the feelings and inspirations of others going through the
same thing will inspire each one on a level never befor experienced
in 3d. This is another dimension, as different as light and dark.

I would like to think that anyone left has chosen this learning
experience prior to incarnation here on earth. But, alas, i have no
way of knowing.

Most likely, all karmic debts are void, but someone who knows more
than i will have to answer that.

Thankfully, the choice is OURS to make. You will make no wrong
decisions if you follow your heart. I would think detachment for non
souled material things would be required.


> If your departure means that you will be abandoning
> someone to face the polar shift catastrophe alone,
> with probable death resulting, HOW can one be absolved
> of the karmic debt involved? I believe it says in the
> Ra books that abandoning someone in a situation that
> would result in that person's death is a very serious
> karmic matter, requiring restitution. Would a mother
> be asked to leave her child, or a dependant relative,
> or even another living creature of any kind that would
> die without support? Does this mean, then, that only
> persons without attachments to anyone or any creature
> will be asked to participate in an MBE? Is not, after
> all, the entire idea of being incarnate on earth right
> now to participate in the life of 3D, forming
> attachments and giving love wherever one can?
>
>

[jha_amin]

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>
> Hi David and Everyone, and may I wish you all a
> wonderful, peaceful and joyous Holiday Season!!
>
> I'm having a bit of a problem with the whole MBE idea,
> and I'm hoping that someone can straighten me out.

Oops....i forgot to add....I think a mass boarding event
may be horribly mislabeled.

If physical means is involved, avoid mass boarding like the plague.
No one will save you, it is all on your capable shoulders.
Think where you may land before you jump. The soul has written the
end of the story and you will know what to do.

[bob_dunham]

--- In asc2k@yahoogroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postID=YwAfRJ2BETU_fPbzqqWQSjHUyS_neu4Vv0W1_C hUsa5OxTwGvvI0Cg0gRMw_nPFCDyvKQW1KoSQE6PWUnQ), Ruth Paterson <spiritform2001@y...>
wrote:
> "If your departure means that you will be abandoning
> someone to face the polar shift catastrophe alone,
> with probable death resulting, HOW can one be absolved
> of the karmic debt involved?
__________________________________
Yes I see where you are coming from. But you have the classic martyr
mentality. You might not be able to save anyone by staying behind
anyway. You are likely a wanderer from a different density, and you
have come here answering the call of suffering from this planet. You
have already come here in order to help. No one wants to leave
anyone behind, but you may just be interpreting the MBE as
abandonment, when in reality we all have the choice to participate.
You have the free will to decline just like everyone else. We will
all have the opportunity, some will decline out of fear or for some
other reason. You cant force anyone to go, but at the same time you
are not required to stay behind and die. I feel like you do,
emotionally I would certainly choose to stay behind, but I think you
will most likely be involved in a scenario where the choices will
become clear to you at that "perfect" time. Good luck to everyone,
and Merry Christmas!

[jha_amin]

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<bob_dunham@h...> wrote:
We will
> all have the opportunity, some will decline out of fear or for
some
> other reason. You cant force anyone to go, but at the same time
you
> are not required to stay behind and die.

If i remember correctly, all of the sto "harvest" have chosed to
decline. Bodhisattva being the motive.

But this obviusly seems to be quite different that previous harvests.
(sheeeesh, i hate that word) ;)

[Ruth Paterson]

Hello Bob and all: Thanks for responding. However,
the initial impetus and quote you read was really from
Lesley - sorry I did not make that entirely clear,
although I thought I had with it being all in quotes,
and her name inside the quote.

Anyway, I confess that up to now I have thought I
would just make the choice to go. The idea of going
does not frighten me (I had a dream several years ago
about 2 very "blond all American/Canadian (Im'
Canadian :-) young men" in my back yard who I
recognized as ET's, and I was invited to go, but I
said I can't get out of my house. They told me to come
through the basement window, and believe it or not
there was a miniscule opening like l/8" between there
and the window frame, and I went through it and got
outside. Talk about your "eye of a camel" :-) I woke
up then, but it certainly was a dream I remember, as I
guess I just "thought it" as being accomplished and it
was. If anyone would care to respond with an
interpretation to that dream, would love to hear your
view.

Then today Lesley's message stirred my spirit to
respond as I did. I think it came from my higher self
(or from the group Christ Consciousness) that really,
yes, the choice is really STS or STO, as always, and I
only had one answer to that! Not to say that should be
the choice for everyone - not so! But Like Seth, I
think I'll take the second or third wave. I trust
these stirrings of spirit now! Love, and Happy
Holidays whatever your faith - Ruth

--- "bob_dunham <bob_dunham@... (/group/asc2k/post?postID=fVhXgPcKcVOeD-y0nP4qtoOz_s2Pw1wWDkPa3C6zQ4mWs7parSjjv4roEMD1h9yo J0QKNh5imJOrJ6nu7AdE)>"
<bob_dunham@... (/group/asc2k/post?postID=fVhXgPcKcVOeD-y0nP4qtoOz_s2Pw1wWDkPa3C6zQ4mWs7parSjjv4roEMD1h9yo J0QKNh5imJOrJ6nu7AdE)> wrote:
> --- In asc2k@yahoogroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postID=T3xQh4iQgxdg0MdB3_0x3k3uxZRz9bmcaRvmK1 2ihhamLbj6VR7gB5ltd6Mt2txUJJOTJ2Ub5CWjYw5o09Y), Ruth Paterson
> <spiritform2001@y...>
> wrote:
> > "If your departure means that you will be
> abandoning
> > someone to face the polar shift catastrophe alone,
> > with probable death resulting, HOW can one be
> absolved
> > of the karmic debt involved?
> __________________________________
> Yes I see where you are coming from. But you have
> the classic martyr
> mentality. You might not be able to save anyone by
> staying behind
> anyway. You are likely a wanderer from a different
> density, and you
> have come here answering the call of suffering from
> this planet. You
> have already come here in order to help. No one
> wants to leave
> anyone behind, but you may just be interpreting the
> MBE as
> abandonment, when in reality we all have the choice
> to participate.
> You have the free will to decline just like everyone
> else. We will
> all have the opportunity, some will decline out of
> fear or for some
> other reason. You cant force anyone to go, but at
> the same time you
> are not required to stay behind and die. I feel
> like you do,
> emotionally I would certainly choose to stay behind,
> but I think you
> will most likely be involved in a scenario where the
> choices will
> become clear to you at that "perfect" time. Good
> luck to everyone,
> and Merry Christmas!
>
>


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[Jeremy Weiland]

> I'm having a bit of a problem with the whole MBE
> idea, and I'm hoping that someone can straighten me
> out.

That's what we're here for <grin>.

> If your departure means that you will be abandoning
> someone to face the polar shift catastrophe alone,
> with probable death resulting, HOW can one be
> absolved of the karmic debt involved?

But there's no difference really between choosing to
leave ascension-style vs. normal-death-style, as far
as the material world is concerned. I mean, at some
level we all choose when to leave this plane, no
matter what the method. Even those parents who die
and leave behind orphans have, at some level, agreed
to do it. Did they abandon their child?

For me it's more a question of attachment. Are you
attached to your identity in this world, or are you
ready to define yourself, and the world, as something
more than that? Are you ready to truly accept the
fact that, whatever happens to your cat, it's meant to
be, and that it's ok, and that in reality you're not
leaving your cat, anyway? Accepting the complete
perfection of the creation is part of becoming the
creator, since the creator must accept itself. Can
you accept yourself as more than just your obligation
to your cat (I'm putting in simplistically, I know,
but just as an example)?

It's my opinion that most of us who are staying or
leaving have already made up our minds what we're
doing. We just have to come to terms with the fact
that there is planning and order in our experience
that transcends our ability to directly understand it
(easily at least). And I think the belief that this
planning is in all of our best interests is called
faith :-) Know what I mean?

> I believe it says in the Ra books that abandoning
> someone in a situation that would result in that
> person's death is a very serious karmic matter,
> requiring restitution.

I don't remember a passage like this. However, I
could certainly see that, if you did not want to leave
and earthly attachment "behind", and did it anyway,
you were certainly be doing yourself a disservice.

In reality, nobody owes anybody anything. It is the
belief that we are all separate agents taking and
giving to each other that creates a karmic force. The
closer you get to unity, the more this becomes just
the pattern of the creator, devoid of the personality
that assumes guilt and loss.

> Does this mean, then, that only persons without
> attachments to anyone or any creature will be asked
> to participate in an MBE? Is not, after all, the
> entire idea of being incarnate on earth right now to

> participate in the life of 3D, forming attachments
> and giving love wherever one can?

But you're looking at the attachment as a definition
of what you are, instead of a tool for experience.
Once you realize that the attachments are the means,
experience and exchange of love the end, the purpose
for all the seeming randomness of life becomes clear.
The role you're playing can be discarded once the play
is over, because it IS just a play!

I hope this helps. I firmly believe that, when we get
to that point when we need to decide what we should
do, we will know. And whatever we choose will be
alright - don't be so hard on yourself!

L/L

Jeremy

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[Lesley Schultz]

Hi Ruth and everyone, thank you all for your responses
to my post and above all, MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!!

I had a dream that was incredible back in 1998, and I
debated on whether or not to share it, but perhaps
someone can get something from it:

The first dream took place like this: I was deeply and
profoundly asleep when I dreamed a bright light beam
shone through my bedroom windows, right over my bed.
It was like a beam of powerful light. I was far too
bound up in the bonds of sleep to move, or get up to
see what it was. The beam of light lifted me from my
bed, and I was bathed in warm, loving light which took
me out of my bedroom into the night, high over the
city, to a great airfield [like an Airforce base.]
The field was brilliantly lit, and there was an
enormous ship parked on the blacktop. It was so big I
couldn't see all of it. I was not afraid at all of
what was happening; I wish to stress this.

There were hundreds of people standing next to the
ship, in various stages of dress [some fully dressed,
some in night clothes, some halfway dressed, etc.] I
even thought I knew some of them, but could remember
no names. There was a uniformed person who was
attending to each group of 5, and I had the impression
that this person was not strictly human although
certainly looked that way. There were two main groups
of people, I learned: one group was journeying to
where we were going and not coming back. The other
group was going to be returning the same night
[through a time warp.] The two groups were firmly
separated. The uniformed person [it was a woman in my
case] was very assiduous about looking after our
comfort, but would answer no questions about where we
were going or why.

Shortly after I arrived,the group that was leaving and
not returning was taken aboard the ship. Those who
were coming back were taken into a very large
hanger-type building that had been converted into a
dormitory/medical examination center. Each person was
examined by three technicians, also uniformed in the
strange blue uniform. We were not touched by the
instruments, but scanned thoroughly. We were each
escorted by a staff officer to the medical area. There
was an older lady who seemed to be the senior medical
staff person in the group of three I went to. I was
scanned, and the older lady frowned and said, "she has
a reduction in kidney function in her left kidney.
You know that the journey she must take will be very
strenuous, and any infirmity puts her at risk." The
officer said, please continue the scan. She scanned
me again and said, "she has a cardiac insufficiency.
She was borderline before but this is a very serious
risk. I cannot allow her to go." The officer
escorting me said, "her presence has been requested at
the highest level. Don't worry; she's stronger than
she seems. She'll be alright."

The older lady doctor said, "very well." Then she
called for a lady attendant to come and escort me to
the dormitory area. There I was given clean pjamas
and a warm drink to send me to sleep again. Apparently
everyone who flunked the physical was given this drink
and sent to sleep, to strenghten us, I guessed. I was
practically out the second I finished the drink, and
the attendant gently helped me into the soft bunk and
covered me up. [I should point out that I had no idea
I had a kidney or a heart problem until much later.]

I awoke several hours later, very very groggy. I was
apparently the only one stirring. No attendants were
around that I could see, and I wanted to know what was
going on. So I crept out of bed and snuck out of the
hanger, trying to see what I could see. The ship was
gone. It was daylight. There were small groups of
the uniformed officers standing around, talking to one
another, apparently ignoring my presence [but only
apparently.] I decided I wanted to leave, but I had
no shoes and the ground was rocky. I was trying to
hurry to the fence, but a group of officers saw me and
started after me. It was like they were amused by my
attempts to escape. "Whoa there, little lady", one
said as he came after me. Then he grabbed me and I
started to struggle, but I was so groggy it wasn't
very much of a fight. Another officer said, "she'll
hurt herself....we must--" and then an officer touched
me with some kind of instrument. It was like flicking
off a light switch. I was out cold. It did not hurt
at all. Then I was gently carried away back into the
hanger and I didn't remember anything more.

When I woke up, I was aboard the great ship, which had
apparently returned. I woke up sitting in a
comfortable chair, dressed in unfamilar clothes and
shoes. There was a jacket, pants, shirt, socks,
undies and shoes-- all clothes I normally wear but
nothing like what was in my closet. No purse. No
money. Nothing in the pockets. More blue uniformed
attendants were wandering around, offering people
drinks or snacks or anything to make them comfortable.
I asked one of them for a drink of water, which I was
given, and asked where we were going. She smiled and
said we would be docking soon, but I could look out
the observation window if I wanted. I took my glass
of water and went to the window.

Outside was the blackness of space, but just ahead was
a beautiful light, like a white sun, with a halo of
rainbow around it. I could see smaller bright lights
circling around the rainbow, in colors of blue and red
and green, etc. I couldn't make out what they were,
but I could see them. The ship was pulling up to a
huge space dock, like a combination dock and
way-station with two decks. The top deck was for
those arriving who would not be going back. The
bottom deck was for those arriving that would be
returning to earth. Soon the ship stopped and we were
asked to de-board. Then I began to have the
impression that everything I saw there was created
from my memories and thoughts-- none of it was real--
and this was done to protect me and keep me safe, for
I could not handle the real power fo the actual
experience and live.

I got off the ship and into something like a airport
gate....seating areas with no one in them, and little
shops with merchandise, like in an airport. This was
very surreal...there were souveniers from all over the
world there at the shop I went into. An older couple
were running the shop- [and I knew it was all an
illusion]-- they smiled benignly at the customers who
came in to look. Nobody bought anything, and none of
us had any money, but everyone knew that the purpose
of the shop was to make us feel that we had a
touchstone with our familiar experience. The older
gentleman offered me a little metal reproduction of
the Eiffel tower. I smiled and said I had no money.
He said it didn't matter. And then he smiled, for we
both knew I wouldn't take it but he wanted me to
remember my visit.

I left the shop and went into one of the seating
areas. There were four glassed-in "booths" which held
about 5-7 people, and one attendant. Every few
minutes, the groups in the booths would be escorted
into a shuttle and they would go into the beautiful
light, to experience a kind of communion. They did
not come back to the waiting area. I waited for my
turn to come. Then I was asked to go in one of the
booths with 6 other people. Then our time came. The
six people left with their escort. I was left alone
with the attendant. "I want to prepare you for what
you will see," she said.

"Don't worry about what you will say," she said.
"Everyone worries about. Just "be"; that's all that's
needed." Just then it was like the booth vanished and
I was very near the Light. I could hear a beautiful,
celestial music that was indescribable. I could feel
the loving Presence in the light, which was so
powerful in it's loving intensity I could not look at
it-- I was shy, deeply moved. Then an angelic being
embraced me from behind and said, "It's okay...don't
try to think about anything....just be..." and then he
took me into his arms and we flew towards the Light.
We went higher and higher, and as we approached
closer, I was increasingly overwhelmed by the love I
was feeling from the Light. Finally we flew right
over it and I tried to focus my thoughts, to send love
back and as I did so, the flood of love I received
back was so powerful that it disintegrated my entire
being, my soul, my very self, and I was One for maybe
a few seconds, but it was like Infinity.

Then I awoke in my bed, my face bathed in tears. As it
is now.

Merry Christmas. We are indeed loved more than we
could ever, ever, ever imagine.

~lesley

=====
************************************************
Lesley Schultz
865 York St. #3
Oakland, CA 94610

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[Tofu Dragon]

Wow! That is indescribably awesome!!! Thank you so
much for sharing that with us! =)

Love and Light
- Lovie (aka Tofu)
--- Lesley Schultz <msthoth@... (/group/asc2k/post?postID=vHhVJeXA2dpJcoU86OE-XhAsD0rdrRIZtYG3JA2Unt-yti6rt87ThNc2CoV_exDBXsheSy8MT0w)> wrote:
> Hi Ruth and everyone, thank you all for your
> responses
> to my post and above all, MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!!
>
> I had a dream that was incredible back in 1998, and
> I
> debated on whether or not to share it, but perhaps
> someone can get something from it:
>
> The first dream took place like this: I was deeply
> and
> profoundly asleep when I dreamed a bright light beam
> shone through my bedroom windows, right over my bed.
>
> It was like a beam of powerful light. I was far too
> bound up in the bonds of sleep to move, or get up to
> see what it was. The beam of light lifted me from
> my
> bed, and I was bathed in warm, loving light which
> took
> me out of my bedroom into the night, high over the
> city, to a great airfield [like an Airforce base.]
> The field was brilliantly lit, and there was an
> enormous ship parked on the blacktop. It was so big
> I
> couldn't see all of it. I was not afraid at all of
> what was happening; I wish to stress this.
>
> There were hundreds of people standing next to the
> ship, in various stages of dress [some fully
> dressed,
> some in night clothes, some halfway dressed, etc.]
> I
> even thought I knew some of them, but could remember
> no names. There was a uniformed person who was
> attending to each group of 5, and I had the
> impression
> that this person was not strictly human although
> certainly looked that way. There were two main
> groups
> of people, I learned: one group was journeying to
> where we were going and not coming back. The other
> group was going to be returning the same night
> [through a time warp.] The two groups were firmly
> separated. The uniformed person [it was a woman in
> my
> case] was very assiduous about looking after our
> comfort, but would answer no questions about where
> we
> were going or why.
>
> Shortly after I arrived,the group that was leaving
> and
> not returning was taken aboard the ship. Those who
> were coming back were taken into a very large
> hanger-type building that had been converted into a
> dormitory/medical examination center. Each person
> was
> examined by three technicians, also uniformed in the
> strange blue uniform. We were not touched by the
> instruments, but scanned thoroughly. We were each
> escorted by a staff officer to the medical area.
> There
> was an older lady who seemed to be the senior
> medical
> staff person in the group of three I went to. I was
> scanned, and the older lady frowned and said, "she
> has
> a reduction in kidney function in her left kidney.
> You know that the journey she must take will be very
> strenuous, and any infirmity puts her at risk." The
> officer said, please continue the scan. She scanned
> me again and said, "she has a cardiac insufficiency.
>
> She was borderline before but this is a very serious
> risk. I cannot allow her to go." The officer
> escorting me said, "her presence has been requested
> at
> the highest level. Don't worry; she's stronger than
> she seems. She'll be alright."
>
> The older lady doctor said, "very well." Then she
> called for a lady attendant to come and escort me to
> the dormitory area. There I was given clean pjamas
> and a warm drink to send me to sleep again.
> Apparently
> everyone who flunked the physical was given this
> drink
> and sent to sleep, to strenghten us, I guessed. I
> was
> practically out the second I finished the drink, and
> the attendant gently helped me into the soft bunk
> and
> covered me up. [I should point out that I had no
> idea
> I had a kidney or a heart problem until much later.]
>
> I awoke several hours later, very very groggy. I
> was
> apparently the only one stirring. No attendants
> were
> around that I could see, and I wanted to know what
> was
> going on. So I crept out of bed and snuck out of
> the
> hanger, trying to see what I could see. The ship
> was
> gone. It was daylight. There were small groups of
> the uniformed officers standing around, talking to
> one
> another, apparently ignoring my presence [but only
> apparently.] I decided I wanted to leave, but I had
> no shoes and the ground was rocky. I was trying to
> hurry to the fence, but a group of officers saw me
> and
> started after me. It was like they were amused by
> my
> attempts to escape. "Whoa there, little lady", one
> said as he came after me. Then he grabbed me and I
> started to struggle, but I was so groggy it wasn't
> very much of a fight. Another officer said, "she'll
> hurt herself....we must--" and then an officer
> touched
> me with some kind of instrument. It was like
> flicking
> off a light switch. I was out cold. It did not
> hurt
> at all. Then I was gently carried away back into
> the
> hanger and I didn't remember anything more.
>
> When I woke up, I was aboard the great ship, which
> had
> apparently returned. I woke up sitting in a
> comfortable chair, dressed in unfamilar clothes and
> shoes. There was a jacket, pants, shirt, socks,
> undies and shoes-- all clothes I normally wear but
> nothing like what was in my closet. No purse. No
> money. Nothing in the pockets. More blue uniformed
> attendants were wandering around, offering people
> drinks or snacks or anything to make them
> comfortable.
> I asked one of them for a drink of water, which I
> was
> given, and asked where we were going. She smiled
> and
> said we would be docking soon, but I could look out
> the observation window if I wanted. I took my glass
> of water and went to the window.
>
> Outside was the blackness of space, but just ahead
> was
> a beautiful light, like a white sun, with a halo of
> rainbow around it. I could see smaller bright
> lights
> circling around the rainbow, in colors of blue and
> red
> and green, etc. I couldn't make out what they were,
> but I could see them. The ship was pulling up to a
> huge space dock, like a combination dock and
> way-station with two decks. The top deck was for
> those arriving who would not be going back. The
> bottom deck was for those arriving that would be
> returning to earth. Soon the ship stopped and we
> were
> asked to de-board. Then I began to have the
> impression that everything I saw there was created
> from my memories and thoughts-- none of it was
> real--
> and this was done to protect me and keep me safe,
> for
> I could not handle the real power fo the actual
> experience and live.
>
> I got off the ship and into something like a airport
> gate....seating areas with no one in them, and
> little
> shops with merchandise, like in an airport. This
> was
> very surreal...there were souveniers from all over
> the
> world there at the shop I went into. An older
> couple
> were running the shop- [and I knew it was all an
> illusion]-- they smiled benignly at the customers
> who
> came in to look. Nobody bought anything, and none
> of
> us had any money, but everyone knew that the purpose
> of the shop was to make us feel that we had a
> touchstone with our familiar experience. The older
> gentleman offered me a little metal reproduction of
> the Eiffel tower. I smiled and said I had no money.
>
> He said it didn't matter. And then he smiled, for
> we
> both knew I wouldn't take it but he wanted me to
> remember my visit.
>
> I left the shop and went into one of the seating
> areas. There were four glassed-in "booths" which
> held
> about 5-7 people, and one attendant. Every few
> minutes, the groups in the booths would be escorted
> into a shuttle and they would go into the beautiful
> light, to experience a kind of communion. They did
> not come back to the waiting area. I waited for my
> turn to come. Then I was asked to go in one of the
> booths with 6 other people. Then our time came.
> The
> six people left with their escort. I was left alone
> with the attendant. "I want to prepare you for what
> you will see," she said.
>
> "Don't worry about what you will say," she said.
> "Everyone worries about. Just "be"; that's all
> that's
> needed." Just then it was like the booth vanished
> and
> I was very near the Light. I could hear a
> beautiful,
> celestial music that was indescribable. I could
> feel
> the loving Presence in the light, which was so
> powerful in it's loving intensity I could not look
> at
> it-- I was shy, deeply moved. Then an angelic being
> embraced me from behind and said, "It's okay...don't
> try to think about anything....just be..." and then
> he
> took me into his arms and we flew towards the Light.
>
> We went higher and higher, and as we approached
> closer, I was increasingly overwhelmed by the love I
> was feeling from the Light. Finally we flew right
> over it and I tried to focus my thoughts, to send
> love
> back and as I did so, the flood of love I received
> back was so powerful that it disintegrated my entire
> being, my soul, my very self, and I was One for
> maybe
> a few seconds, but it was like Infinity.
>
> Then I awoke in my bed, my face bathed in tears. As
> it
> is now.
>
> Merry Christmas. We are indeed loved more than we
> could ever, ever, ever imagine.
>
> ~lesley
>
> =====
> ************************************************
> Lesley Schultz
> 865 York St. #3
> Oakland, CA 94610
>
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[Tofu Dragon]

Wow! That is indescribably awesome!!! Thank you so
much for sharing that with us! =)

Love and Light
- Lovie (aka Tofu)
--- Lesley Schultz <msthoth@... (/group/asc2k/post?postID=L0eN2vEgdC4okjpATRkuNpfJPiopNNbA6FCAM8 O6NLWG2zttiLyy21QjjxrqA3aNxsSRL06MsLjwHA)> wrote:
> Hi Ruth and everyone, thank you all for your
> responses
> to my post and above all, MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!!
>
> I had a dream that was incredible back in 1998, and
> I
> debated on whether or not to share it, but perhaps
> someone can get something from it:
>
> The first dream took place like this: I was deeply
> and
> profoundly asleep when I dreamed a bright light beam
> shone through my bedroom windows, right over my bed.
>
> It was like a beam of powerful light. I was far too
> bound up in the bonds of sleep to move, or get up to
> see what it was. The beam of light lifted me from
> my
> bed, and I was bathed in warm, loving light which
> took
> me out of my bedroom into the night, high over the
> city, to a great airfield [like an Airforce base.]
> The field was brilliantly lit, and there was an
> enormous ship parked on the blacktop. It was so big
> I
> couldn't see all of it. I was not afraid at all of
> what was happening; I wish to stress this.
>
> There were hundreds of people standing next to the
> ship, in various stages of dress [some fully
> dressed,
> some in night clothes, some halfway dressed, etc.]
> I
> even thought I knew some of them, but could remember
> no names. There was a uniformed person who was
> attending to each group of 5, and I had the
> impression
> that this person was not strictly human although
> certainly looked that way. There were two main
> groups
> of people, I learned: one group was journeying to
> where we were going and not coming back. The other
> group was going to be returning the same night
> [through a time warp.] The two groups were firmly
> separated. The uniformed person [it was a woman in
> my
> case] was very assiduous about looking after our
> comfort, but would answer no questions about where
> we
> were going or why.
>
> Shortly after I arrived,the group that was leaving
> and
> not returning was taken aboard the ship. Those who
> were coming back were taken into a very large
> hanger-type building that had been converted into a
> dormitory/medical examination center. Each person
> was
> examined by three technicians, also uniformed in the
> strange blue uniform. We were not touched by the
> instruments, but scanned thoroughly. We were each
> escorted by a staff officer to the medical area.
> There
> was an older lady who seemed to be the senior
> medical
> staff person in the group of three I went to. I was
> scanned, and the older lady frowned and said, "she
> has
> a reduction in kidney function in her left kidney.
> You know that the journey she must take will be very
> strenuous, and any infirmity puts her at risk." The
> officer said, please continue the scan. She scanned
> me again and said, "she has a cardiac insufficiency.
>
> She was borderline before but this is a very serious
> risk. I cannot allow her to go." The officer
> escorting me said, "her presence has been requested
> at
> the highest level. Don't worry; she's stronger than
> she seems. She'll be alright."
>
> The older lady doctor said, "very well." Then she
> called for a lady attendant to come and escort me to
> the dormitory area. There I was given clean pjamas
> and a warm drink to send me to sleep again.
> Apparently
> everyone who flunked the physical was given this
> drink
> and sent to sleep, to strenghten us, I guessed. I
> was
> practically out the second I finished the drink, and
> the attendant gently helped me into the soft bunk
> and
> covered me up. [I should point out that I had no
> idea
> I had a kidney or a heart problem until much later.]
>
> I awoke several hours later, very very groggy. I
> was
> apparently the only one stirring. No attendants
> were
> around that I could see, and I wanted to know what
> was
> going on. So I crept out of bed and snuck out of
> the
> hanger, trying to see what I could see. The ship
> was
> gone. It was daylight. There were small groups of
> the uniformed officers standing around, talking to
> one
> another, apparently ignoring my presence [but only
> apparently.] I decided I wanted to leave, but I had
> no shoes and the ground was rocky. I was trying to
> hurry to the fence, but a group of officers saw me
> and
> started after me. It was like they were amused by
> my
> attempts to escape. "Whoa there, little lady", one
> said as he came after me. Then he grabbed me and I
> started to struggle, but I was so groggy it wasn't
> very much of a fight. Another officer said, "she'll
> hurt herself....we must--" and then an officer
> touched
> me with some kind of instrument. It was like
> flicking
> off a light switch. I was out cold. It did not
> hurt
> at all. Then I was gently carried away back into
> the
> hanger and I didn't remember anything more.
>
> When I woke up, I was aboard the great ship, which
> had
> apparently returned. I woke up sitting in a
> comfortable chair, dressed in unfamilar clothes and
> shoes. There was a jacket, pants, shirt, socks,
> undies and shoes-- all clothes I normally wear but
> nothing like what was in my closet. No purse. No
> money. Nothing in the pockets. More blue uniformed
> attendants were wandering around, offering people
> drinks or snacks or anything to make them
> comfortable.
> I asked one of them for a drink of water, which I
> was
> given, and asked where we were going. She smiled
> and
> said we would be docking soon, but I could look out
> the observation window if I wanted. I took my glass
> of water and went to the window.
>
> Outside was the blackness of space, but just ahead
> was
> a beautiful light, like a white sun, with a halo of
> rainbow around it. I could see smaller bright
> lights
> circling around the rainbow, in colors of blue and
> red
> and green, etc. I couldn't make out what they were,
> but I could see them. The ship was pulling up to a
> huge space dock, like a combination dock and
> way-station with two decks. The top deck was for
> those arriving who would not be going back. The
> bottom deck was for those arriving that would be
> returning to earth. Soon the ship stopped and we
> were
> asked to de-board. Then I began to have the
> impression that everything I saw there was created
> from my memories and thoughts-- none of it was
> real--
> and this was done to protect me and keep me safe,
> for
> I could not handle the real power fo the actual
> experience and live.
>
> I got off the ship and into something like a airport
> gate....seating areas with no one in them, and
> little
> shops with merchandise, like in an airport. This
> was
> very surreal...there were souveniers from all over
> the
> world there at the shop I went into. An older
> couple
> were running the shop- [and I knew it was all an
> illusion]-- they smiled benignly at the customers
> who
> came in to look. Nobody bought anything, and none
> of
> us had any money, but everyone knew that the purpose
> of the shop was to make us feel that we had a
> touchstone with our familiar experience. The older
> gentleman offered me a little metal reproduction of
> the Eiffel tower. I smiled and said I had no money.
>
> He said it didn't matter. And then he smiled, for
> we
> both knew I wouldn't take it but he wanted me to
> remember my visit.
>
> I left the shop and went into one of the seating
> areas. There were four glassed-in "booths" which
> held
> about 5-7 people, and one attendant. Every few
> minutes, the groups in the booths would be escorted
> into a shuttle and they would go into the beautiful
> light, to experience a kind of communion. They did
> not come back to the waiting area. I waited for my
> turn to come. Then I was asked to go in one of the
> booths with 6 other people. Then our time came.
> The
> six people left with their escort. I was left alone
> with the attendant. "I want to prepare you for what
> you will see," she said.
>
> "Don't worry about what you will say," she said.
> "Everyone worries about. Just "be"; that's all
> that's
> needed." Just then it was like the booth vanished
> and
> I was very near the Light. I could hear a
> beautiful,
> celestial music that was indescribable. I could
> feel
> the loving Presence in the light, which was so
> powerful in it's loving intensity I could not look
> at
> it-- I was shy, deeply moved. Then an angelic being
> embraced me from behind and said, "It's okay...don't
> try to think about anything....just be..." and then
> he
> took me into his arms and we flew towards the Light.
>
> We went higher and higher, and as we approached
> closer, I was increasingly overwhelmed by the love I
> was feeling from the Light. Finally we flew right
> over it and I tried to focus my thoughts, to send
> love
> back and as I did so, the flood of love I received
> back was so powerful that it disintegrated my entire
> being, my soul, my very self, and I was One for
> maybe
> a few seconds, but it was like Infinity.
>
> Then I awoke in my bed, my face bathed in tears. As
> it
> is now.
>
> Merry Christmas. We are indeed loved more than we
> could ever, ever, ever imagine.
>
> ~lesley
>
> =====
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> Oakland, CA 94610
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[Zoe]

Most likely, all karmic debts are void, but someone who knows more
than i will have to answer that.

Hi All,

I'm Coba and have recently joined. There's a lot of very intelligent and
imaginative people here. I've so enjoyed reading your messages.

Would just like to put my two cents in about karma. I do so because someone
else mentioned the Seth books in a positive way. Ask Seth (or any available
quantum physicist, for that matter) and they will tell you that all time is
happening at once. Seth most definitely points out that there is no such thing
as karma, that we are never "punished" or have to pay for mistakes made in the
past from one life to another. This is because since all time is happening at
once, another life may "bleed through" occasionally, but there is no outright
cause and effect from one lifetime to another. We are greater than we know!

As for the guy who said the MBE and dates were written in stone and the other
one who disagreed -- consider you both are right! It has to do with different
timelines and parallel worlds and the power of our beliefs. For those whose
beliefs are "written in stone," it shall be so, but for those who leave room to
maneuver, have doubts, confusions and questions, the area of "possibility" is
larger and so other forces may enter (with Soul agreement). Life offers a range
of possibilities. In some version of Amerika, Hitler is king. (Or was -- he'd
be dead by now!) In some other version the war never got off the ground because
the moving force behind the Nazi's was assasinated. (And perhaps in "our"
version, the Nazi-like takeover of America was delayed until Bush, ho ho.) I
wish I could figure all this stuff out. It sure is fascinating.

Best,
Coba


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[Zoe]

Jeremy wrote:
But you're looking at the attachment as a definition
of what you are, instead of a tool for experience.
Once you realize that the attachments are the means,
experience and exchange of love the end, the purpose
for all the seeming randomness of life becomes clear.

Wow! That's about as enlightened a statement as I've ever heard -- and it
really clicked something open in me. Thanks, Jeremy! You've just given the
reason beneath the dictim of Buddhists who teach "cut all attachment." I always
thought that was just a "suffering is good for you" statement. But now I see
that we define our little selves by what we are attached to: Duh! Whereas, it
should be used as a tool for experience. Yes! I mean, everything I'm attached
to is there for me to experience and learn; it's not there to define my earthly
self. How damned liberating! Wow! (I'm jumping up in the air and high-fiving
my imaginary friend.) :) Think of it! I can look at my car, my guitar, my
cat, my clothes -- anything I'm "attached" to, and realize that each of these
items is only an experience, not an identity. This means that even the Earth is
such, and therefore, can be said goodbye to with joy, not grief. This knowledge
gives me the power to transcend who I think I am. It turns solid material
things into fluid things, like time, so that if I "lose" a "thing," it becomes
the same sort of situation as an "experience." When you have the experience of
going to the refrigerator for a soda, you don't worry ahead of time about it.
You just go ahead and do it. Then, when you walk away with the soda, you don't
spend time regretting or angsting over that experience after it's gone. You
don't think of it as a "loss" once it is over. Now, because of this insight of
yours, Jeremy, I can extend that stress-free and painless experience to all my
material "things." It would probably work for relationships, too, but that's a
more difficult and complicated situation, right? Relationships are definitely a
tool for experience, but that's not all they are. Maybe. :))

Best,
Coba


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[Ruth Paterson]

Awesome dream, Lesley! Thanks for sharing it. And it
certainly was helpful for you healthwise to know of
your kidney and heart difficulties. I hope you tried
lucid dreaming to see if any medicinal remedies were
suggested for those conditons by the ET's. (I'm sure
they would be different than the traditional
pill-pushing we usually get from our medical
profession!)

Keep us posted if you have another dream encounter.
Ruth


--- Lesley Schultz <msthoth@... (/group/asc2k/post?postID=nk_VLNJF7JmYGkzntvo6oTHKHZhjTPouMYK3yo WLcDyk3uaRHTv2hm_mA73ev2rQNLpZCjlbALO6SiI)> wrote:
> Hi Ruth and everyone, thank you all for your
> responses
> to my post and above all, MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!!
>
> I had a dream that was incredible back in 1998, and
> I
> debated on whether or not to share it, but perhaps
> someone can get something from it:
>
> The first dream took place like this: I was deeply
> and
> profoundly asleep when I dreamed a bright light beam
> shone through my bedroom windows, right over my bed.
>
> It was like a beam of powerful light. I was far too
> bound up in the bonds of sleep to move, or get up to
> see what it was. The beam of light lifted me from
> my
> bed, and I was bathed in warm, loving light which
> took
> me out of my bedroom into the night, high over the
> city, to a great airfield [like an Airforce base.]
> The field was brilliantly lit, and there was an
> enormous ship parked on the blacktop. It was so big
> I
> couldn't see all of it. I was not afraid at all of
> what was happening; I wish to stress this.
>
> There were hundreds of people standing next to the
> ship, in various stages of dress [some fully
> dressed,
> some in night clothes, some halfway dressed, etc.]
> I
> even thought I knew some of them, but could remember
> no names. There was a uniformed person who was
> attending to each group of 5, and I had the
> impression
> that this person was not strictly human although
> certainly looked that way. There were two main
> groups
> of people, I learned: one group was journeying to
> where we were going and not coming back. The other
> group was going to be returning the same night
> [through a time warp.] The two groups were firmly
> separated. The uniformed person [it was a woman in
> my
> case] was very assiduous about looking after our
> comfort, but would answer no questions about where
> we
> were going or why.
>
> Shortly after I arrived,the group that was leaving
> and
> not returning was taken aboard the ship. Those who
> were coming back were taken into a very large
> hanger-type building that had been converted into a
> dormitory/medical examination center. Each person
> was
> examined by three technicians, also uniformed in the
> strange blue uniform. We were not touched by the
> instruments, but scanned thoroughly. We were each
> escorted by a staff officer to the medical area.
> There
> was an older lady who seemed to be the senior
> medical
> staff person in the group of three I went to. I was
> scanned, and the older lady frowned and said, "she
> has
> a reduction in kidney function in her left kidney.
> You know that the journey she must take will be very
> strenuous, and any infirmity puts her at risk." The
> officer said, please continue the scan. She scanned
> me again and said, "she has a cardiac insufficiency.
>
> She was borderline before but this is a very serious
> risk. I cannot allow her to go." The officer
> escorting me said, "her presence has been requested
> at
> the highest level. Don't worry; she's stronger than
> she seems. She'll be alright."
>
> The older lady doctor said, "very well." Then she
> called for a lady attendant to come and escort me to
> the dormitory area. There I was given clean pjamas
> and a warm drink to send me to sleep again.
> Apparently
> everyone who flunked the physical was given this
> drink
> and sent to sleep, to strenghten us, I guessed. I
> was
> practically out the second I finished the drink, and
> the attendant gently helped me into the soft bunk
> and
> covered me up. [I should point out that I had no
> idea
> I had a kidney or a heart problem until much later.]
>
> I awoke several hours later, very very groggy. I
> was
> apparently the only one stirring. No attendants
> were
> around that I could see, and I wanted to know what
> was
> going on. So I crept out of bed and snuck out of
> the
> hanger, trying to see what I could see. The ship
> was
> gone. It was daylight. There were small groups of
> the uniformed officers standing around, talking to
> one
> another, apparently ignoring my presence [but only
> apparently.] I decided I wanted to leave, but I had
> no shoes and the ground was rocky. I was trying to
> hurry to the fence, but a group of officers saw me
> and
> started after me. It was like they were amused by
> my
> attempts to escape. "Whoa there, little lady", one
> said as he came after me. Then he grabbed me and I
> started to struggle, but I was so groggy it wasn't
> very much of a fight. Another officer said, "she'll
> hurt herself....we must--" and then an officer
> touched
> me with some kind of instrument. It was like
> flicking
> off a light switch. I was out cold. It did not
> hurt
> at all. Then I was gently carried away back into
> the
> hanger and I didn't remember anything more.
>
> When I woke up, I was aboard the great ship, which
> had
> apparently returned. I woke up sitting in a
> comfortable chair, dressed in unfamilar clothes and
> shoes. There was a jacket, pants, shirt, socks,
> undies and shoes-- all clothes I normally wear but
> nothing like what was in my closet. No purse. No
> money. Nothing in the pockets. More blue uniformed
> attendants were wandering around, offering people
> drinks or snacks or anything to make them
> comfortable.
> I asked one of them for a drink of water, which I
> was
> given, and asked where we were going. She smiled
> and
> said we would be docking soon, but I could look out
> the observation window if I wanted. I took my glass
> of water and went to the window.
>
> Outside was the blackness of space, but just ahead
> was
> a beautiful light, like a white sun, with a halo of
> rainbow around it. I could see smaller bright
> lights
> circling around the rainbow, in colors of blue and
> red
> and green, etc. I couldn't make out what they were,
> but I could see them. The ship was pulling up to a
> huge space dock, like a combination dock and
> way-station with two decks. The top deck was for
> those arriving who would not be going back. The
> bottom deck was for those arriving that would be
> returning to earth. Soon the ship stopped and we
> were
> asked to de-board. Then I began to have the
> impression that everything I saw there was created
> from my memories and thoughts-- none of it was
> real--
> and this was done to protect me and keep me safe,
> for
> I could not handle the real power fo the actual
> experience and live.
>
> I got off the ship and into something like a airport
> gate....seating areas with no one in them, and
> little
> shops with merchandise, like in an airport. This
> was
> very surreal...there were souveniers from all over
> the
> world there at the shop I went into. An older
> couple
> were running the shop- [and I knew it was all an
> illusion]-- they smiled benignly at the customers
> who
> came in to look. Nobody bought anything, and none
> of
> us had any money, but everyone knew that the purpose
> of the shop was to make us feel that we had a
> touchstone with our familiar experience. The older
> gentleman offered me a little metal reproduction of
> the Eiffel tower. I smiled and said I had no money.
>
> He said it didn't matter. And then he smiled, for
> we
> both knew I wouldn't take it but he wanted me to
> remember my visit.
>
> I left the shop and went into one of the seating
> areas. There were four glassed-in "booths" which
> held
>
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[Erik Strasser]

Hello Group,

The other day i asked above about this and IT told me that it is for sure in the
planning.
And i did not agree ( for obvious reasons), so IT told me, i could stop it no
matter what.

Then it told me that is was for ONE reason only...
Not really to let entities escape ( my prime objection), but to give the
remaining entities a REAL disclosure! ( David Icke was in my mind)

So i asked about the ONES who would go and IT told me... Those ones would be
ready, period.

You tell ME, should i let it be?
Are you ready to leave EVERY illusion behind?

Love and Light, Erik.

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[madonnafra]

Ready or Not Here It Comes.
Blessings,
Gayle


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[Lesley Schultz]

Dear Erik:

--- Erik Strasser <e.strasser@... (/group/asc2k/post?postID=saXPD--mRalDKzjEeNg6U-Jef8uZ7kHeGJcDk3brMId9HOOIC0DotBF0C89XM9q1O7-lYHxLqx7QHzDE0WaXiw)> wrote:

> The other day i asked above about this and IT told
> me that it is for sure in the planning.
> And i did not agree ( for obvious reasons), so IT
> told me, i could stop it no matter what.

LS: Who is IT and what are you referring to? You can
stop what from happening, no matter what?
>
> Then it told me that is was for ONE reason only...
> Not really to let entities escape ( my prime
> objection), but to give the remaining entities a
> REAL disclosure! ( David Icke was in my mind)

LS: We're toast anyway. As 3D beings, our only
alternative is to change to 4D, if we can or leave the
physical. Still not sure what exactly it all means.
DW's writings seem to suggest that we will experience
something like a burst of solar energy, energizing the
living things on this planet up to 4D. Those that can
accept the higher energy load will survive. Those
that cannot, will leave the physical.

I've also read that those of Qu'o say that the process
of 3D-into-4D will take between 200-500 years-happen
very slowly, and there won't be this kind of dramatic
event. I would imagine that, if the highly negative
forces now moving global policy could be neutralized
and positive ones taking over, we could possibly do a
slower transformation. If no change in polarization,
then there would require an MBE and a dramatic event
to reorganize the physical plane into the new
configuration.

> So i asked about the ONES who would go and IT told
> me... Those ones would be ready, period.

LS: Well, pretty much, ready or not, 4D is coming. For
the planet itself, it's already here, and it's 4D
positive.

The entities on this planet that are 3D are not
predominantly polarized in either positive or negative
direction. This creates something like friction in the
energy flows on and within this sphere. At the various
bifurcation points, there is an opportunity for the
planetary sphere to discharge some of the energy built
up as a result of the "friction" and this resolves
into an opportunity to further polarize in either
direction. [DW would probably point out that this is
not what the bifurfaction points are, and he is
correct, but it would make sense that this energy
buildup would need to be discharged someway. The
bifurcation "wave" sweeps across our sphere, adding
energy and I don't see why some of the excess couldn't
be re-directed or dissipated like static lightening. ]


At some point, apparently Dec 2012, it will not be
possible to have 3D here any longer, because the 4D
positive environment will be too highly energized to
exist on.

> You tell ME, should i let it be?
> Are you ready to leave EVERY illusion behind?

LS: It is not for us to tell you. You tell yourself,
as you are the best one to do that, being the ONE that
you are, who knows you best.

I don't know. The degradation of our planet right
now, by the will of a very few, makes me so sick and
sad that I don't want to stay to see it slide any
further. I want only love, peace, life and joy for
all things and if I have to go somewhere else to get
it, then so be it.

It rather sounds like I will be staying here to die
anyway, from the reading DW did for me. Ra kept
saying, the incorporeal part of me was the part that
was endearing and enduring, that life here in 3D was
like nightshade in a lovely garden, that there is a
beauty in leaving a body behind. Those of Ra [and
apparently I am one of them too, for said that I was
6D Wanderer from Ra, been here about 25K years] said
that my function here, right now, is to bring light,
love and peace. Peace comes through the presence of
Wanderers as they themselves find peace. Ra seems to
think that my presence here, esp. in California, now,
is very important and can lessen the stress on the
global grid in this area. Well, whatever, Ra-buddy.

I came to serve, that's all I know, and so I shall
until the end comes.

I had another ascension dream the other night. I was
sitting in an auditorium, with a lot of other people,
listening to a performance of some kind. The house
lights were down. Slight buzz of conversation around.
Then all of a sudden, a brilliant flash of visible
light. A flood of wonderful loving energy filled my
heart and soul, and I began to rise, along with some
other people. We floated up and up, to merge with the
great light/love energy grouping high above the earth.
Then I woke up. Unfortunately.

You know, I have had so many of these dreams all my
life, you would think that they would get old after a
while. But they never do.

>
> Love and Light, Erik.

Love and Light to you too, Brother!

~lesley
>
> >


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> DW's writings seem to suggest that we will
> experience something like a burst of solar energy,
> energizing the living things on this planet up to
> 4D. Those that can accept the higher energy load
> will survive. Those that cannot, will leave the
> physical.

My understanding of the situation is that the higher
energy will ratchet the aetheric medium to the next
density, which will cause all 3D life to be unviable
for a certain amount of time. This is when harvest
will occur / is occurring. We are all leaving the
physical - at least the 3D physical. Whether we
return to the 3D physical in another context is our
choice. And I thought Ra stated that harvest will
entail the "death" of all 3D life - which is
appropriate for such an event.

> I've also read that those of Qu'o say that the
> process of 3D-into-4D will take between 200-500
> years-happen very slowly, and there won't be this
> kind of dramatic event.

There is a lot of Q'uo material, but I have never read
any pronouncement on their part precluding the
possibility of a grand event of some sort (I'm not big
personally on the whole MBE scenario). However, I'll
rely on more knowledgable parties to speak to this
(Tiffani? Gary?) and enlighten us all. I do know
that Ra says that once 4D has been fully integrated
into the planet, 3D life will again be possible
because 4D entities will be able to veil themselves
from the 3D entities. So while a major event would
mark the end of the discrete cycle, the grounding of
the 4D energies could understandibly take a
considerable amount of time to complete.

> I would imagine that, if the highly negative forces
> now moving global policy could be neutralized and
> positive ones taking over, we could possibly do a
> slower transformation. If no change in
> polarization, then there would require an MBE and a
> dramatic event to reorganize the physical plane into

> the new configuration.

Perhaps if we had a more polarized population on the
planet, the negative influence would be unneccessary.
However, unless we get some really abrupt polarization
(and time is quite short now, but it is possible)
we're pretty much stuck with the catalyst of the
negative elite control scenario until harvest.

> It rather sounds like I will be staying here to die
> anyway, from the reading DW did for me.

Yeah, but harvest doesn't change that. :-) We all
"die" anyway, right?

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[Lesley Schultz]

Jeremy, my dear, that reply was quite fast! ;-)

--- Jeremy Weiland <greenlantern113@... (/group/asc2k/post?postID=TQPSbi9YRwhIZOk1PGDhgWSz8GdA_eCEPZhwPM jdfIExo9IXgMhIcjW6OaO5Yg6jSh6pvl4knHBZR0TVWAIv6IIn ubQ)> wrote:
> snip]>> And I thought Ra stated that harvest will
> entail the "death" of all 3D life - which is
> appropriate for such an event.

LS: Those of Ra did say that, and you're right as
usual. I'm a little confused, though. Maybe I'm mixing
up some other stuff that I've seen on the list with
children being born these days with capacity for 4D
work [their bodies and minds higher energy-tolerant,
etc.] I know that the bit about 12-strand-DNA helixes
was debunked by DW, but there are certainly a lot of
highly-gifted young people that are making the news
these days. 3D-is-3D-is-3D, and 3D is not compatible
with 4D even when 3D is extra spiffy, yes?
>
>snip> I do know > that Ra says that once 4D has been
fully integrated into the planet, 3D life will again
be possible> because 4D entities will be able to veil
themselves> from the 3D entities. So while a major
event would > mark the end of the discrete cycle, the
grounding of > the 4D energies could understandibly
take a > considerable amount of time to complete.

LS: Yes, I remember reading that Ra had said this, but
for some reason I wasn't thinking of Earth when I read
it. Now that you mention it, Ra did say that 3D life
could exist here in the future but that it would not
be an easy environment for it to survive. I guess
whether or not Earth would again host 3D entities
might depend on the needs of other 3D populations
needing homes and the willingness of our Earth's
planetary entity to again take up that duty/honor. I
notice that neither Mars nor Venus seem to be suitable
for it right now. Perhaps chosen not to be again?
>
>snip> Perhaps if we had a more polarized population
on the > planet, the negative influence would be
> unneccessary. > However, unless we get some really
abrupt > polarization > (and time is quite short now,
but it is possible) > we're pretty much stuck with the
catalyst of the > negative elite control scenario
until harvest.

LS: Those of Ra have said repeatedly that the exact
nature of the Harvest is not considered to be of any
great importance. Perhaps this whole discussion is
being initiated because, unfortunately, us 3D-ers do
think about this issue. It's in our nature to be
curious about the future, and to try to prepare
ourselves for it as best we may. Ra doesn't wish to
feed the curiosity, as it doesn't serve their purpose
which is to teach/learn the Law of One.
>
>snip> Yeah, but harvest doesn't change that. :-) We
all > "die" anyway, right?

LS: That we do. We shouldn't worry about it, but we
are silly people and do anyway. Harvest is such a
mysterious process, and anything that smacks of a
secret just makes us more curious about it. It's one
of those human-things....

L/L, Blessings,
~lesley
>


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[Jeremy Weiland]

Hey Lesley,

> 3D-is-3D-is-3D, and 3D is not compatible with 4D
> even when 3D is extra spiffy, yes?

Well, I believe the case you're talking about (so
called "indigo children" and what not) are those that
have what Ra calls "double body activation". In other
words, they are extra spiffy in 3D because they have
an activated 4D vehicle available.

> LS: Those of Ra have said repeatedly that the exact
> nature of the Harvest is not considered to be of any
> great importance. Perhaps this whole discussion is
> being initiated because, unfortunately, us 3D-ers do
> think about this issue. It's in our nature to be
> curious about the future, and to try to prepare
> ourselves for it as best we may. Ra doesn't wish to
> feed the curiosity, as it doesn't serve their
> purpose which is to teach/learn the Law of One.

Exactly. Just because it's normal for the toddler to
throw a temper-tantrum doesn't mean the adult has to
condone that behavior. :-)

Always appreciate your feedback, Lesley.

Jeremy

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