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Hello group. I've read the Ra study guide and was curious as to why a
lot of you seem to take it word for word 100% truth (or maybe I'm
wrong and you don't). Ra said he cannot interfere with our free will
and also there may be some miscommunication with our language. Also
it was said (or has been said) that sometimes the channeler puts
their own spin on the information, as with Cayce and his religious
beliefs.

Information on ascention is out there, you don't need the Ra
study guide to tell you somethings coming and soon. That we need to
be more service to others then to self, I'm sure no one needed a
study guide to tell them that. I enjoyed the study guide very much,
don't get me wrong, I just think it's dangerous to take it so
literally, as if spoken from God. We are all god anyhow lol, but
hopefully you know what I'm trying to say. It is my hope that all
those with a desire to ascend will, and that we can all make a
difference in that.

Synchronicity has been discussed a lot here and a while back the
story of the mom killing her 5 kids was brought up. The father had a
reaction not often seen by people, immediately offering love and
support to his wife, the murderer of his 5 children. Granted he may
have been in shock, but that story sparked a lot of anger and hatred
in people, and seeing the man at the center of it preaching love, I
think that became the story for a lot of people. Dealing with a
negative situation with love was the lesson I felt. Around the same
time this story broke, John Carlos came around and was greeted with
negativity from people (at least from my perception). He had his own
ideas and was aggressive with them etc., but I did enjoy what he
brought from the group. I can understand wanting to keep this forum
on the same page, but sometimes I feel an opposing viewpoint can
really get things moving, can really teach you something, if only how
to deal with what you perceive as negativity in a positive manner.
Well I enjoy this group and thank you for allowing me to be part of
it, keep up the good work.

Love and Light, Frank

[Jeremy Weiland]

Thanks for your post, Frank!

> Hello group. I've read the Ra study guide and was curious as to why a
> lot of you seem to take it word for word 100% truth (or maybe I'm
> wrong and you don't).

I believe that it's a mistake to generalize about people, especially the
people on this list. I'm sure everyone on this list has a different idea
about the things Ra says, as well as what David says, for that matter. I
can only answer your question by speaking for myself. Personally, I think
you are missing the point if you see this as a question of 100% acceptance
or not. None of us will ever have the kind of objective, empirical evidence
or proof of the spiritual ideas that Ra is talking about (and Ra kept its
distance from things that it deemed "transient"). So there is no 100%
acceptance / denial IMHO. However, one can study other channeled works, and
get a feeling for what seems to be logically and intuitively plausible. You
can build a consensus from the ideas put forward in other spiritual works
(don't forget that Ra isn't the *only* source of info that David
acknowledges), and Ra either fits in or doesn't with the consensus that
you've built. For me, the Ra material fit in with a lot of other
information (just got a 1:11) that I had read, in exactly the manner that it
said it would when Ra said that they wished to offer "a somewhat different
slant on that which is always and ever the same" or something like that. I
don't think Ra ever makes the claim that what he's giving us is the absolute
singular view of reality, so even swallowing it 100% is not as dogmatic as
it might otherwise seem. All of this reasoning assumes that you accept
channeling as a potentially valid source of wisdom and information, of
course.

> Ra said he cannot interfere with our free will
> and also there may be some miscommunication with our language. Also
> it was said (or has been said) that sometimes the channeler puts
> their own spin on the information, as with Cayce and his religious
> beliefs.

Absolutely. That is why we study the material; to take what is useful
(as we intuit) and discard the rest. Especially if you read book 5, which
has all the material that had been cut out from the other books including
valuable information about the conditions at the time of each session, it
becomes quite clear that some sessions were more accurately channeled than
others. This doesn't mean that there is not value in it and in it's study.

It is *my* opinion that Ra offers very accurate information about
ascention. But I can't expect you to agree with me about that on any
objective basis. And I don't expect that.

> Information on ascention is out there, you don't need the Ra
> study guide to tell you somethings coming and soon. That we need to
> be more service to others then to self, I'm sure no one needed a
> study guide to tell them that. I enjoyed the study guide very much,
> don't get me wrong, I just think it's dangerous to take it so
> literally, as if spoken from God. We are all god anyhow lol, but
> hopefully you know what I'm trying to say. It is my hope that all
> those with a desire to ascend will, and that we can all make a
> difference in that.

I think you misunderstand the context of the discussion here. This is
the asc2k list; those who come here are here to learn about all this
information that falls under the ascention umbrella. David has certainly
chosen works that he respects as, in his opinion, the best resources. I
have my own opinions, and I'm sure everyone else does. We are not a cult.
There is no centralized official "reading list" of revealed truth. We're
simply looking at some material that says very similar / the same thing, and
are working with that material to understand the nature of these phenomena
and our existence better. But there is no dogma - and no anathema.

Does anyone on this list believe that the Ra material is the word of
God???

When I participate in discussions on this list using info from Ra, it is
because there is a consensus among us that that is a highly accurate source
of info. Obviously, you can either accept or reject that assertion, and
there are reasons we regard the Law of One books so, but we do need *some*
common ground to have a discussion. However, since we are ultimately here
because of David's work, Ra is *going* to come into play.

> Synchronicity has been discussed a lot here and a while back the
> story of the mom killing her 5 kids was brought up. The father had a
> reaction not often seen by people, immediately offering love and
> support to his wife, the murderer of his 5 children. Granted he may
> have been in shock, but that story sparked a lot of anger and hatred
> in people, and seeing the man at the center of it preaching love, I
> think that became the story for a lot of people.

This is an interesting take on that event. I had never thought of it
that way, but I think there's a great deal of truth in what you say.

> Dealing with a
> negative situation with love was the lesson I felt. Around the same
> time this story broke, John Carlos came around and was greeted with
> negativity from people (at least from my perception). He had his own
> ideas and was aggressive with them etc., but I did enjoy what he
> brought from the group.

I liked John's ideas about ascention as a soley spiritual idea, and I
discussed his ideas with him *in the context of asc2k themes*. I did
exchange some private emails with him. Besides the ideas he was offering, I
think John brought with him the potential to teach a lot of us a lesson in
tolerance and love. It was certainly good practice for me, and I don't
think that I treated him without love (having already had a tense experience
with differing opinions on this list that I think I learned from). Others
were obviously much more hostile towards him, and I'm sure that they learned
from the experience. Yes, there was some hard feelings between him and some
of us because of his aggressiveness. I think some handled it poorly, and I
think John mischaracterized the actions of a few as representative of all
our opinions. I was more than happy to have John be a part of our
discussions, but I won't pretend that he was always being constructive in
the context of this list and the ideas we were talking about, and it was
*very* important that we pointed that out to him, as lovingly as possible of
course. And sometimes we didn't do it with love. Hopefully we will learn
next time. I know I learned my lesson with Korga (thank you, Korga! :-) .

> I can understand wanting to keep this forum
> on the same page, but sometimes I feel an opposing viewpoint can
> really get things moving, can really teach you something, if only how
> to deal with what you perceive as negativity in a positive manner.

Absolutely. We're all moving in that direction (I hope). We need to
have patience with everyone, both with those who hold similar beliefs and
those who hold opposing beliefs. Bear in mind, though, that we are doing
*wonderfully* IMHO for a list that takes on such emotional issues and that
keeps the discussion open to all.

Let me say one more thing, if I might. There's a difference between an
opposing viewpoint and using a list as a soapbox to preach to people. It's
important that we point this difference out, and it's also important that we
do it as lovingly as possible. Agreed?

> Well I enjoy this group and thank you for allowing me to be part of
> it, keep up the good work.

Your posts are always welcome, Frank. Thank *you*.

Walk in the light,

Jeremy