What is service?

[Jeremy Weiland]

These are good points that you bring up, Lesta. It brings me to a
question that I have been pondering for some time. It would make a great
discussion topic so I'll throw this out at y'all.

The Ra material emphasizes constantly the terms service to others or
service to self. But what do these terms mean? What, in fact, constitutes
service?

Here are the definitions given in "The Wanderer's Handbook," a great
project that they're working on at L/L Research (the people who brought you
the Ra Material). BTW, www.llresearch.org is a indispensible site for great
channelled information. I'd urge anyone here to check out their site, as it
contains a wealth of detailed info on exactly the topics covered here at
Asc2k.

The def'ns:
Service to others: the path of radiation and open hearted giving. The
positive polarity where the seeker attempts to see and serve the Creator in
all. The intention to serve others in at least 51% of one's efforts will
qualify the seeker for graduation into fourth density light. The path of
that which is: unity.

Service to self: the path of magnetism and control. The negative polarity
where the seeker attempts to cause others to serve the Creator in the self.
The intention to control others to serve the self must be present in at
least 95% of the seeker's efforts for graduation into the fourth density
light in the negative sense. The path of that which is not: separation.

Does anybody want to offer input as to what these terms actually mean?
How do they apply to everyday life? And how can one be sure which path one
is on?

Later,

Jeremy

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> Thanks to David for a wonderful forum. Although I can't follow all
> the
> science, I am finding the wisdom on this site useful for self-
> inspection and understanding the larger picture of life. I noticed
> that the requirement for ascension was 51% WANTING to be in service
> to
> others. This made me realize that a 91 year old aunt who can no
> longer
> do what she once did for lots of people would qualify , as she still
> wants to do these things with all her heart. On the other hand if one
> does lots of things for others with a hidden agenda of finding lots
> to criticize about the people one is helping, one is in an inner
> state
> of conflict and it is not true service.One could look endlessly for
> people who are worthy of giving one's service to and not find them.
> Certainly Jesus helped alot of lepers and raunchy people. There is a
> wonderful movie out on video that is about this subject, that I would
> highly recommend called Pay it Forward.
>
> Blessings to you all, Lesta
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[David Wilcock]

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><tt>Good question, Jeremy. I'm sure others will have something to say about that, sincethe wholegraduation hinges on service,so I'll stay out of the way and let a discussion ensue. One comment: there are some interesting Ra quotes right at the beginning which say that the greatest service to others is the "radiation of realization of oneness with the Creator." I do think that the concept of "vibrational" service to others is little understood, but related to the idea of taking the Bodhisattva vows, which state, "I seek my own enlightenment for the liberation of all beings." </tt>
><tt></tt>
><tt>I have been intensely helped by seeing myself as a vortex in a pool of energy that surrounds me, and that vortex is just part of the vastness that I am - as the energy itself. If a part of me is sleeping then I want to send compassion to it to wake it up, all the while knowing that on the non-energetic level there might not be much that could be done (i.e. physically offering information.) That's where just basic smiling and friendliness can do so much. If you realize that you are the Creator, as Ra wants us to do, then wouldn't you want others to feel loved?</tt>
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><tt>Peace be with you - </tt>
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><tt>- David</tt>
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[Jeremy Weiland]

>>One comment: there are some interesting Ra quotes right at the beginning
which say that the >>greatest service to others is the "radiation of
realization of oneness with the Creator." I do think >>that the concept of
"vibrational" service to others is little understood, but related to the
idea of >>taking the Bodhisattva vows, which state, "I seek my own
enlightenment for the liberation of all >>beings."

Yeah, and I think this is important to understand it so one can be sure
that one is truly providing service. Ra isn't the only one who talks about
this kind of service (of course) either. There seems to be a deep,
meaningful purpose to the attitude you take in life and towards other
people, and from this attitude, service arises in many forms. Vibrational
service is simply a very subtle form, and its results are hard to verify,
which makes people question their service.

However, the connotation of service in most definitions is that of
serving others *physically*, which, for me, poses problems somewhat. I
realize that we are all one, and that serving others *is* serving the self -
it's simply identifying yourself as something larger than your singular
individual being and manifesting that belief through action. Through
identifying others as self, you are acting in accordance with "true" reality
(the unity of all people) an therein lies its power and morality. But
however surprising this may seem, there are some things about the
traditional Christian idea of service that I don't resonate with. For
example, the idea that we are our brother's keeper, and also the idea that
we *owe* service to others, through sacrifice of self, labor, wealth, etc.
These ideas seem somewhat opposed to the idea of "free will" and an
appropriate non-infringing service as I see it. One of the differences is
that in vibrational service, there is no loss to the self of the "stuff"
offered (love) - it does not diminish when shared. However, material assets
(labor, wealth) are much more finite, and maybe they should not be
considered in the same way.

A lot of traditional Christian morality talks about actual physical
service, and while I obviously don't reject the catalytic effect that this
type of traditional service can have, I wonder if some of it is not
required. And when we get into this more materialistic view of service,
things get more complicated. I guess what I'm wondering is should I go
volunteer or work in a soup kitchen or something? I mean, I know it sounds
like sort of a crude idea to be throwing around, and I know that, if I am
supposed to be performing some physical service that I would probably be
moved somehow in that direction that would incline me to act upon it. Is
vibrational service all that is really required of us, or do we have a
*responsibility* also to try to make the world a *physically* better place -
i.e. socially, economically, politically - through physical, worldly service
as well?

I think I already know the answer, but I would love to hear others'
opinions on this. Just get people talking, if nothing else.

Later,

Jeremy

[Tiffani Boswell]

Hi Jeremy,

I was just thinking while reading what you wrote that I don't think our
responsibility is to make the world a "physically" better place, as we
should stress about it....I tend to lean more towards the enlightenment
phrase...I notice that in places like soup kitchens, etc....some of the
people being served are there and they expect it....but in my every day life
its the people like the girl i order lunch from everyday....ten people
before and after me order lunch but don't know her name and don't really
smile at her etc...well she smiles when i come in and then her smile catches
on her coworkers....(this place had been one of my experiments with being
loving...one day i came in and got a free lunch...for no apparent reason but
I had just put alot of love into the place) i don't say this to talk about
me but to say that we shouldn't stress about doing something physical (i
think the christians lost the spiritiual significance of serving along time
ago and the natural inclinitaion was to interpret it as physical later)

sorry off on a tangent....but basically the soup kitchen type people expect
that...but the lady on the street...the smile....the passing a dime when
someone is short....etc etc...these are things that in turn raise that
persons love and they love more and in that way the world DOES become better
physically....

that sounds so cheesy I never thought i would think like this...but that
comment is true "I seek my own enlightenment for the liberation of all
beings..."

thanks for listening.
blessings

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Subject: Re: [asc2k] What is service?


> >>One comment: there are some interesting Ra quotes right at the beginning
> which say that the >>greatest service to others is the "radiation of
> realization of oneness with the Creator." I do think >>that the concept of
> "vibrational" service to others is little understood, but related to the
> idea of >>taking the Bodhisattva vows, which state, "I seek my own
> enlightenment for the liberation of all >>beings."
>
> Yeah, and I think this is important to understand it so one can be
sure
> that one is truly providing service. Ra isn't the only one who talks
about
> this kind of service (of course) either. There seems to be a deep,
> meaningful purpose to the attitude you take in life and towards other
> people, and from this attitude, service arises in many forms. Vibrational
> service is simply a very subtle form, and its results are hard to verify,
> which makes people question their service.
>
> However, the connotation of service in most definitions is that of
> serving others *physically*, which, for me, poses problems somewhat. I
> realize that we are all one, and that serving others *is* serving the
self -
> it's simply identifying yourself as something larger than your singular
> individual being and manifesting that belief through action. Through
> identifying others as self, you are acting in accordance with "true"
reality
> (the unity of all people) an therein lies its power and morality. But
> however surprising this may seem, there are some things about the
> traditional Christian idea of service that I don't resonate with. For
> example, the idea that we are our brother's keeper, and also the idea that
> we *owe* service to others, through sacrifice of self, labor, wealth, etc.
> These ideas seem somewhat opposed to the idea of "free will" and an
> appropriate non-infringing service as I see it. One of the differences is
> that in vibrational service, there is no loss to the self of the "stuff"
> offered (love) - it does not diminish when shared. However, material
assets
> (labor, wealth) are much more finite, and maybe they should not be
> considered in the same way.
>
> A lot of traditional Christian morality talks about actual physical
> service, and while I obviously don't reject the catalytic effect that this
> type of traditional service can have, I wonder if some of it is not
> required. And when we get into this more materialistic view of service,
> things get more complicated. I guess what I'm wondering is should I go
> volunteer or work in a soup kitchen or something? I mean, I know it
sounds
> like sort of a crude idea to be throwing around, and I know that, if I am
> supposed to be performing some physical service that I would probably be
> moved somehow in that direction that would incline me to act upon it. Is
> vibrational service all that is really required of us, or do we have a
> *responsibility* also to try to make the world a *physically* better
place -
> i.e. socially, economically, politically - through physical, worldly
service
> as well?
>
> I think I already know the answer, but I would love to hear others'
> opinions on this. Just get people talking, if nothing else.
>
> Later,
>
> Jeremy
>
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[Jeremy Weiland]

Yeah, I think you're right Tiffani. Thanks for your great post! Like I
said, I thought I knew what the answer was, and I think you articulated it
very well. It's not so much what you do as the attitude you do it with.

I was using the soup kitchen story as sort of an example really. The
question is more, how far are we obligated to go to help a brother in need?
Because the traditional Christian morality says that we *owe* our brothers
that which they need and we have, and I don't think that we owe anyone
anything. I don't think that their need constitutes my obligation.
Obviously, if we give them something they need, we are helping them, but the
decision has to be a free one, I believe, without obligation if we can be
considered to be agents of free will, and for the decision to be one of
merit.

And I totally agree that "vibrational" service is quite effective.

Thanks,

Jeremy

P.S. I know exactly what you mean about the smiles... I try to do the
same thing! It's such a simple, almost simplistic form of service, it
almost tricks you into believe its ineffective!

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Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2001 10:27 AM
Subject: Re: [asc2k] What is service?


> Hi Jeremy,
>
> I was just thinking while reading what you wrote that I don't think our
> responsibility is to make the world a "physically" better place, as we
> should stress about it....I tend to lean more towards the enlightenment
> phrase...I notice that in places like soup kitchens, etc....some of the
> people being served are there and they expect it....but in my every day
life
> its the people like the girl i order lunch from everyday....ten people
> before and after me order lunch but don't know her name and don't really
> smile at her etc...well she smiles when i come in and then her smile
catches
> on her coworkers....(this place had been one of my experiments with being
> loving...one day i came in and got a free lunch...for no apparent reason
but
> I had just put alot of love into the place) i don't say this to talk
about
> me but to say that we shouldn't stress about doing something physical (i
> think the christians lost the spiritiual significance of serving along
time
> ago and the natural inclinitaion was to interpret it as physical later)
>
> sorry off on a tangent....but basically the soup kitchen type people
expect
> that...but the lady on the street...the smile....the passing a dime when
> someone is short....etc etc...these are things that in turn raise that
> persons love and they love more and in that way the world DOES become
better
> physically....
>
> that sounds so cheesy I never thought i would think like this...but that
> comment is true "I seek my own enlightenment for the liberation of all
> beings..."
>
> thanks for listening.
> blessings
>
> ----- Original Message -----
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> Subject: Re: [asc2k] What is service?
>
>
> > >>One comment: there are some interesting Ra quotes right at the
beginning
> > which say that the >>greatest service to others is the "radiation of
> > realization of oneness with the Creator." I do think >>that the concept
of
> > "vibrational" service to others is little understood, but related to the
> > idea of >>taking the Bodhisattva vows, which state, "I seek my own
> > enlightenment for the liberation of all >>beings."
> >
> > Yeah, and I think this is important to understand it so one can be
> sure
> > that one is truly providing service. Ra isn't the only one who talks
> about
> > this kind of service (of course) either. There seems to be a deep,
> > meaningful purpose to the attitude you take in life and towards other
> > people, and from this attitude, service arises in many forms.
Vibrational
> > service is simply a very subtle form, and its results are hard to
verify,
> > which makes people question their service.
> >
> > However, the connotation of service in most definitions is that of
> > serving others *physically*, which, for me, poses problems somewhat. I
> > realize that we are all one, and that serving others *is* serving the
> self -
> > it's simply identifying yourself as something larger than your singular
> > individual being and manifesting that belief through action. Through
> > identifying others as self, you are acting in accordance with "true"
> reality
> > (the unity of all people) an therein lies its power and morality. But
> > however surprising this may seem, there are some things about the
> > traditional Christian idea of service that I don't resonate with. For
> > example, the idea that we are our brother's keeper, and also the idea
that
> > we *owe* service to others, through sacrifice of self, labor, wealth,
etc.
> > These ideas seem somewhat opposed to the idea of "free will" and an
> > appropriate non-infringing service as I see it. One of the differences
is
> > that in vibrational service, there is no loss to the self of the "stuff"
> > offered (love) - it does not diminish when shared. However, material
> assets
> > (labor, wealth) are much more finite, and maybe they should not be
> > considered in the same way.
> >
> > A lot of traditional Christian morality talks about actual physical
> > service, and while I obviously don't reject the catalytic effect that
this
> > type of traditional service can have, I wonder if some of it is not
> > required. And when we get into this more materialistic view of service,
> > things get more complicated. I guess what I'm wondering is should I go
> > volunteer or work in a soup kitchen or something? I mean, I know it
> sounds
> > like sort of a crude idea to be throwing around, and I know that, if I
am
> > supposed to be performing some physical service that I would probably be
> > moved somehow in that direction that would incline me to act upon it.
Is
> > vibrational service all that is really required of us, or do we have a
> > *responsibility* also to try to make the world a *physically* better
> place -
> > i.e. socially, economically, politically - through physical, worldly
> service
> > as well?
> >
> > I think I already know the answer, but I would love to hear others'
> > opinions on this. Just get people talking, if nothing else.
> >
> > Later,
> >
> > Jeremy
> >
> >
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[Tiffani Boswell]

I was just thnking about that yesterday...or i dreamed i can't remember
which it is fuzzy...

but i was thinking in the context taht Jesus said love one another as
yourself....doesn't that say it all....so if we see someone else as ourself
and we love them as we would love ourself then we are serving our self....

another thing is i don't see how the church can say that just means treat
someone how you want to be treated....it screams to me we are all one....
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Sent: June 28, 2001 10:21 AM
Subject: Re: [asc2k] What is service?


> >If you realize that you are the Creator, as Ra wants us to do, then
> wouldn't you want others to feel >loved?
>
> This is also a big part of the equation that I ignored. The
> identification of others as the self is a big part of the service to
others
> path - and may help to explain why self service and service to others is
not
> neccessarily mutually exclusive. If you see others as the self, serving
> others IS serving self.
>
> I'd also like to take this opportunity to thank Jeff Wellman for his
> recommendation of Seth Speaks: The eternal validity of the soul. Don't
know
> why I never picked this up before; now I see what all the hype was about.
> Thank you!
>
> Later,
>
> Jeremy
>
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[Jeremy Weiland]

>If you realize that you are the Creator, as Ra wants us to do, then
wouldn't you want others to feel >loved?

This is also a big part of the equation that I ignored. The
identification of others as the self is a big part of the service to others
path - and may help to explain why self service and service to others is not
neccessarily mutually exclusive. If you see others as the self, serving
others IS serving self.

I'd also like to take this opportunity to thank Jeff Wellman for his
recommendation of Seth Speaks: The eternal validity of the soul. Don't know
why I never picked this up before; now I see what all the hype was about.
Thank you!

Later,

Jeremy

[Jeremy Weiland]

> but i was thinking in the context taht Jesus said love one another as
> yourself....doesn't that say it all....so if we see someone else as
ourself
> and we love them as we would love ourself then we are serving our self....

Because the reality is that they ARE our self, in fact everyone is... so
do you identify with the unity of all or the separation of all?

> another thing is i don't see how the church can say that just means treat
> someone how you want to be treated....it screams to me we are all one....

I dunno, I always liked the golden rule... but I take it from more a
Course in Miracles perspective, which is more like: "You *do* treat others
as you want to be treated." As in, we always treat other-selves the way
that we want ourself to be treated. We reflect our tacit opinion of ourself
by the way that we treat others. People who treat others poorly do that
because they don't think they deserve to be treated well... it's all
projection, another big theme of the Course.

Later,
Jeremy

[Patrick Parker]

"How can I be of service?" is a question we'll ask ourselves
many times a day. The answer we get will depend on the context,
circumstances, and the state that we are in. This is where it
is fundamentally important to love ourselves. To love ourself,
I mean not harboring regrets, fears, resentments, worries,
anger, hostility, etc. How can we be loving to the full extent
when we're harboring these debilitating emotions? From a loving
state, we are more able to empathize - put ourselves in the
shoes of others in efforts of feeling and understanding their
side of things. This is a simple means of attaining higher
consciousness. The process to upwell these negative emotions
empowers us to serve in a greater capacity - we get better
answers to the question because we feel and understand better.
Letting go of negativism can involve forgiveness and converting
virtual needs to preferences. This is an internal process that
can go on automatically as we're serving. Another result is
greater happiness which is a service in itself to the people
around us - happiness is contagious. We are also setting an
example for others to follow - another service.

Pat



--- Tiffani Boswell <tiffani@... (/group/asc2k/post?postID=yWTIdoSIu-w0IcBWmZyLV9mopEg-8BQsBKEG3VFhvFPFb_cXLaGA23ZYg-kDFTzzDHQeiTkgpOM5Fw)> wrote:
> I was just thnking about that yesterday...or i dreamed i can't
> remember
> which it is fuzzy...
>
> but i was thinking in the context taht Jesus said love one
> another as
> yourself....doesn't that say it all....so if we see someone
> else as ourself
> and we love them as we would love ourself then we are serving
> our self....
>
> another thing is i don't see how the church can say that just
> means treat
> someone how you want to be treated....it screams to me we are
> all one....
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jeremy Weiland" <jweiland@... (/group/asc2k/post?postID=tAhgN-z4VlSzkZnFEsoPumCvTAa6zyFzsRait1JDN2e2fW3p_kTyKsY9 Ixw-0RSjlujOZL2oD2SGnoGeXA)>
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>
>
> > >If you realize that you are the Creator, as Ra wants us to
> do, then
> > wouldn't you want others to feel >loved?
> >
> > This is also a big part of the equation that I ignored.
> The
> > identification of others as the self is a big part of the
> service to
> others
> > path - and may help to explain why self service and service
> to others is
> not
> > neccessarily mutually exclusive. If you see others as the
> self, serving
> > others IS serving self.
> >
> > I'd also like to take this opportunity to thank Jeff
> Wellman for his
> > recommendation of Seth Speaks: The eternal validity of the
> soul. Don't
> know
> > why I never picked this up before; now I see what all the
> hype was about.
> > Thank you!
> >
> > Later,
> >
> > Jeremy
> >
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><font face="Arial" size="2">My feeling of service is if each of us does our small part the end result is huge! Example: My family(wife, 2 kids,myself, and dog ) was just in an auto accident. My wife suffered a fractured sturnem andour dog was killed.People that we barely know havesent flowers and cards and even brought meals.I asked one person what could I ever do to repay their kindness and she said that simple, just pass it on to the next person that is in need. These acts of kindness I feel are both physical and vibrational service as one. By taking care of ourselves and being role models for others around uswe aredoing a great service to humanity.</font>
><font face="Arial" size="2"> There are some great minds in this group and I really enjoy all of you.</font>
><font face="Arial" size="2">Take care, Jay</font>
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style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message -----
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black">From: Jeremy Weiland (jweiland@nettalon.com)
style="FONT: 10pt arial">To: asc2k@yahoogroups.com
style="FONT: 10pt arial">Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2001 7:23 AM
style="FONT: 10pt arial">Subject: Re: [asc2k] What is service?
>
<tt>>>One comment: there are some interesting Ra quotes right at the beginning
which say that the >>greatest service to others is the "radiation of
realization of oneness with the Creator." I do think >>that the concept of
"vibrational" service to others is little understood, but related to the
idea of >>taking the Bodhisattva vows, which state, "I seek my own
enlightenment for the liberation of all >>beings."

Yeah, and I think this is important to understand it so one can be sure
that one is truly providing service. Ra isn't the only one who talks about
this kind of service (of course) either. There seems to be a deep,
meaningful purpose to the attitude you take in life and towards other
people, and from this attitude, service arises in many forms. Vibrational
service is simply a very subtle form, and its results are hard to verify,
which makes people question their service.

However, the connotation of service in most definitions is that of
serving others *physically*, which, for me, poses problems somewhat. I
realize that we are all one, and that serving others *is* serving the self -
it's simply identifying yourself as something larger than your singular
individual being and manifesting that belief through action. Through
identifying others as self, you are acting in accordance with "true" reality
(the unity of all people) an therein lies its power and morality. But
however surprising this may seem, there are some things about the
traditional Christian idea of service that I don't resonate with. For
example, the idea that we are our brother's keeper, and also the idea that
we *owe* service to others, through sacrifice of self, labor, wealth, etc.
These ideas seem somewhat opposed to the idea of "free will" and an
appropriate non-infringing service as I see it. One of the differences is
that in vibrational service, there is no loss to the self of the "stuff"
offered (love) - it does not diminish when shared. However, material assets
(labor, wealth) are much more finite, and maybe they should not be
considered in the same way.

A lot of traditional Christian morality talks about actual physical
service, and while I obviously don't reject the catalytic effect that this
type of traditional service can have, I wonder if some of it is not
required. And when we get into this more materialistic view of service,
things get more complicated. I guess what I'm wondering is should I go
volunteer or work in a soup kitchen or something? I mean, I know it sounds
like sort of a crude idea to be throwing around, and I know that, if I am
supposed to be performing some physical service that I would probably be
moved somehow in that direction that would incline me to act upon it. Is
vibrational service all that is really required of us, or do we have a
*responsibility* also to try to make the world a *physically* better place -
i.e. socially, economically, politically - through physical, worldly service
as well?

I think I already know the answer, but I would love to hear others'
opinions on this. Just get people talking, if nothing else.

Later,

Jeremy

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[Jeremy Weiland]

There is no substitute for "physical" service - but it's not the *only*
service that one can perform. I know exactly what you mean, though: in
certain situations, a flesh and blood helping hand coupled with love
radiation can make all the difference!

Hope your wife is feeling better, and I'm truly sorry about your dog.
Thanks for your post.

Take care,

Jeremy

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From: "Jay" <joxdox@... (/group/asc2k/post?postID=x7Lo3QwFu4sC_IHUH-1XFIV1ZQ6Bwh2aC7KwtxTEfM6XcJBwa4-VpQfeKydQgGuU8XdjsEtXsivZEQ)>
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Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2001 12:34 PM
Subject: Re: [asc2k] What is service?



My feeling of service is if each of us does our small part the end result is
huge! Example: My family(wife, 2 kids,myself, and dog ) was just in an auto
accident. My wife suffered a fractured sturnem and our dog was killed.
People that we barely know have sent flowers and cards and even brought
meals. I asked one person what could I ever do to repay their kindness and
she said that simple, just pass it on to the next person that is in need.
These acts of kindness I feel are both physical and vibrational service as
one. By taking care of ourselves and being role models for others around us
we are doing a great service to humanity.
There are some great minds in this group and I really enjoy all of you.
Take care, Jay
----- Original Message -----
From: Jeremy Weiland
To: asc2k@yahoogroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postID=Rr_M4m04Aj0k6JxCWU-x3f9OWla6i_k5Fd7eX_lQgUka2kaR8woDoIcTP7pLGW_UazgEp ze2yHBPFelc8NU)
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2001 7:23 AM
Subject: Re: [asc2k] What is service?


>>One comment: there are some interesting Ra quotes right at the beginning
which say that the >>greatest service to others is the "radiation of
realization of oneness with the Creator." I do think >>that the concept of
"vibrational" service to others is little understood, but related to the
idea of >>taking the Bodhisattva vows, which state, "I seek my own
enlightenment for the liberation of all >>beings."

Yeah, and I think this is important to understand it so one can be
sure
that one is truly providing service. Ra isn't the only one who talks
about
this kind of service (of course) either. There seems to be a deep,
meaningful purpose to the attitude you take in life and towards other
people, and from this attitude, service arises in many forms. Vibrational
service is simply a very subtle form, and its results are hard to verify,
which makes people question their service.

However, the connotation of service in most definitions is that of
serving others *physically*, which, for me, poses problems somewhat. I
realize that we are all one, and that serving others *is* serving the
self -
it's simply identifying yourself as something larger than your singular
individual being and manifesting that belief through action. Through
identifying others as self, you are acting in accordance with "true"
reality
(the unity of all people) an therein lies its power and morality. But
however surprising this may seem, there are some things about the
traditional Christian idea of service that I don't resonate with. For
example, the idea that we are our brother's keeper, and also the idea that
we *owe* service to others, through sacrifice of self, labor, wealth, etc.
These ideas seem somewhat opposed to the idea of "free will" and an
appropriate non-infringing service as I see it. One of the differences is
that in vibrational service, there is no loss to the self of the "stuff"
offered (love) - it does not diminish when shared. However, material
assets
(labor, wealth) are much more finite, and maybe they should not be
considered in the same way.

A lot of traditional Christian morality talks about actual physical
service, and while I obviously don't reject the catalytic effect that this
type of traditional service can have, I wonder if some of it is not
required. And when we get into this more materialistic view of service,
things get more complicated. I guess what I'm wondering is should I go
volunteer or work in a soup kitchen or something? I mean, I know it
sounds
like sort of a crude idea to be throwing around, and I know that, if I am
supposed to be performing some physical service that I would probably be
moved somehow in that direction that would incline me to act upon it. Is
vibrational service all that is really required of us, or do we have a
*responsibility* also to try to make the world a *physically* better
place -
i.e. socially, economically, politically - through physical, worldly
service
as well?

I think I already know the answer, but I would love to hear others'
opinions on this. Just get people talking, if nothing else.

Later,

Jeremy


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