Evolutionary Energy

[sol72us]

There is a book out by Gopi Krisna,
Kundalini, the Evolutionary Energy
of Man. It talks about obtaining
Peace on Earth through the use of
this energy. In some ways now I
can see this potential, that this
energy awakened within multitudes
would positively influence our
evolution. I guess it would take
people to awaken to this subtlety
in order for it to actually happen.
Also, there seems danger in awakening
the Kundalini within the unprepared.
A Self Professed Kundalini Thingy, Pat

[sol72us]

--- In asc2k@y..., "sol72us" <sol72us@y...> wrote:
> There is a book out by Gopi Krisna,
> Kundalini, the Evolutionary Energy
> of Man. It talks about obtaining
> Peace on Earth ...

Oh, now that people are talking
synchronicity, that reminds me
of this significant moment when
I bought this book.

You see, I read this great Astrology
column and its filled with all this
special lingo I don't understand,
like "Shamballa."
So at the same time that I bought
this book,
Kundalini Empowering Human Evolution,
by Gopi Krishna/Gene Kieffer, 1903;
I also bought
The Destiny of The Nations,
by Alice A. Bailey, 1949;
and The Initiation of The World,
by Vera Stanley Alder, 1939.

So what does this have to do with
anything? I don't know. Sometimes
synchronicities are meaningful.

One impression is that a shift could
entail a massive Kundalini uprising
that will stiffle the unprepared.

Another impression, from the writings
of this group, is that the Lucis Trust
is involved with the New World Order,
from the connections drawn from FDR's
speech / Alice A. Bailey connection.

My other impression is that either
the "New Age" has such stigma it is
shunned here, or that it is simply
"old."

In the dark?
Pat

[thedruid2012]

Hi Pat,

There's reading on the connection you made here:

http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/NewAge/Lucis_Trust.htm

Mike.

> Another impression, from the writings
> of this group, is that the Lucis Trust
> is involved with the New World Order,
> from the connections drawn from FDR's
> speech / Alice A. Bailey connection.

[mizbabzie@...]

In a message dated 11/19/02 8:19:42 AM Pacific Standard Time,
no_spam@... (/group/asc2k/post?postID=OxADSngHkPv30Vq7usUyZRWfD4_DWsTWznAuIp e8Wx1J_U2kCr1G1uEwhGchkFz7FaLVfsdEKiRwliVo0V1v) writes:


> http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/NewAge/Lucis_Trust.htm
>
RE: Alice Baily and Theosophy
I'll have to read this article more thoroughly ,but want to ask, have any of
you ever read any of the Alice Baily material? I think that you would find
that it is not in any way of the darkness, it is of the light, and so is the
Theosophy movement. I think only younger souls (like for example,
fundamentalist christians) would think such a thing, obviously threatened by
the new age coming in and not having much of any kind of understanding of
"higher teachings".
WE are heading into an age where separatism ( the separate religious dogmas
that are conflicting and battling one another) is coming to an end...and is
going to be replaced by a relationship with God that is much closer to
TRUTH...ie, a direct knowledge of God. (there is only ONE religion, the
religion of LOVE)., I think many souls are getting confused about the new age
,the age of ONENESS, and connecting it to the political concept of ONe World
Order. This is a disturbing misunderstanding to me. Maybe David would like to
speak on this topic. I'd be interested to hear his views.


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[mizbabzie@...]

In a message dated 11/19/02 11:19:35 AM Pacific Standard Time,
sol72us@... (/group/asc2k/post?postID=kLzShEvAvB-GWOgY1mkC5z0HTEz6xe-kRiJeN8ouq_E3oPHljIobMqaRBP8wx5kp4yxY4hcdsqU) writes:


> From Reading Alice A. Bailey's work,
> it doesn't seem her original intent
> for her work was to grow into some
> huge conspiracy laden organization

oh, I see you have read the Alice Bailey books and agree with me. It is a
conspiracy theory (imo), propagated by fear based and threatened christians,
I think.


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[mizbabzie@...]

In a message dated 11/19/02 1:10:58 PM Pacific Standard Time,
no_spam@... (/group/asc2k/post?postID=G6MiVdqNmto6fTwX6V-3Fa-tRvHutjAbd9OaNT9bssw4oBQPMNh_RW_9NX1EGu3w2PB7n-EwklVYx4BGONI) writes:


> "Another impression, from the writings of this group, is that the
> Lucis Trust is involved with the New World Order, from the
> connections drawn from FDR's speech / Alice A. Bailey connection

Mike, I have run across this paranoia in other "writings" out there, that
Alice Bailey is like the leader of some Nazi-Arian race based One World
Order agenda...and that the Anti-Christ has appeared in this world coming
from this organization (???) and it almost makes me laugh... but part of it
is not so funny. And I am surprised by it, because some of the paranoia is
from what I thought were reasonable, more advanced, metaphysical people.
The conspiracy theories have just gone bonkers as far as I can see...Lots of
people have really gone off the deep end..and to me, this is one of the
greatest examples of the dark side influencing and confusing people.
And I feel you are exactly correct when you say that there are teachings,
(religions) which have served their purpose, that we are now in the process
of growing out of...that is a correct statement, I believe....no right or
wrong judgement about it.
But, when I see false information printed out there, I usually have to open
my mouth and say something.



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[sol72us]

--- In asc2k@y..., "thedruid2012" <no_spam@d...> wrote:
> Hi Pat,
>
> There's reading on the connection you made here:
>
> http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/NewAge/Lucis_Trust.htm
>
> Mike.
>

Thank you Mike!
Hmm, is this conspiracy theory
promoting fear or love?
Where is the love here?

Some Alchemical fundamentals,
Love - causing unification, and
Strife - causing separation.

There are some organizations
that work in the interests of
maximizing the buck, maximizing
control: big businesses.
No doubt about it.

From Reading Alice A. Bailey's work,
it doesn't seem her original intent
for her work was to grow into some
huge conspiracy laden organization.
It seems her intent was simply,
to help others. And in many ways,
her work provides meaning in peoples
lives not so far different from other
religions.

In some ways, the early work she
did was not so different from other
"channelers." Possibly she was an
early channeler who "blazed a trail",
which facilitated the RA materials
in some way. I don't know but that
is my impression. We are all
interconnected.

Heck, who's to say all the work we
do in this group doesn't turn into
some huge conspiracy laden
organization? Is that our intent?
People love to organize, for that
is what we are, an organized lump
of atoms and energy.
As within, as without.

Embracingly, Pat

[thedruid2012]

> Thank you Mike!
> Hmm, is this conspiracy theory
> promoting fear or love?
> Where is the love here?

Hi Pat,

Where do we start to filter out that which enhances or detracts from
our learning experience? knowledge in itself is neither positive or
negative, simply the way one chooses to use it - positive or
negative.

My current understanding (aware of the use of I and My) in putting
pieces of the puzzle together, that there are aspects which I am
comfortable with and see no point in pursuing them, there are others
where long held belief systems are questioned and are allowed to drop
away as they no longer serve the purpose for which they we're created.

There can no longer be any doubt that we have been controlled and now
that control is about to end, there are (have been) players along the
way who sought to mislead us and others who mislead themselves ... I
have never (in this incarnation) followed anyone or anyone else's
perception - that's probably why I left book reading to others and
chose to learn by my experiences (benefit of hindsight statement).

The intent was to (hopefully) assist with the following with a link
to the very subject:

"Another impression, from the writings of this group, is that the
Lucis Trust is involved with the New World Order, from the
connections drawn from FDR's speech / Alice A. Bailey connection."

It is certainly not my intent to promote fear! fear lies in
ignorance - 'God fearing' (when did that term crawl into language)
how the heck can you fear God? God is.

With Love,

Mike.

[Erik Strasser]

Some Alchemical fundamentals,
Love - causing unification, and
Strife - causing separation.

There are some organizations
that work in the interests of
maximizing the buck, maximizing
control: big businesses.
No doubt about it.

From Reading Alice A. Bailey's work,
it doesn't seem her original intent
for her work was to grow into some
huge conspiracy laden organization.
It seems her intent was simply,
to help others. And in many ways,
her work provides meaning in peoples
lives not so far different from other
religions.

Embracingly, Pat

ES: Are you for real?

Sheesh! Blavatsky and Baily were ( and still are) high priests of the
Illuminati.
Totally STS.
Embracingly STS i would say!

Still loving all of you, Erik.





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[sol72us]

--- In asc2k@y..., "thedruid2012" <no_spam@d...> wrote:
>
> It is certainly not my intent to promote fear! fear lies in
> ignorance - 'God fearing' (when did that term crawl into language)
> how the heck can you fear God? God is.
>
> With Love,
>
> Mike.

Thank you Mike, for clearing
that up.

Last time this topic came up,
we were left with the impression
that people are "duped" by some
of these "organizations." This
seems completely natural because
most of us are perfectly ignorant.

It seems we are all "duped" in a
way. This relates to the trade
offs that organization creates
and our ignorance about them.
We let specialists worry about
specialties; we trust everyone
will do their part without
getting into their details.
Who really wants to know it all?
What are organizations made of?
Duped people like ourselves.

In one context, it can relate
to the blasphemy of our beliefs,
that they are fallacy,
and how our ignorance supports
that fallacy. It also supports
our fear as Mike kindly points
out. So is it better to be
quietly ignorant, or openly
ignorant?

Business promotes ignorance.
The best negotiators
keep information secret.
Information is Power.
Money is Power.
Time is Power.

Openly unbusinesslike,
Pat

[mizbabzie@...]

In a message dated 11/19/02 9:20:41 PM Pacific Standard Time,
e.strasser@... (/group/asc2k/post?postID=RXG65azaxjzJnykwZ5ANMzEvgukMuFd7Wbn1e8 SxYsyAODNQeTqKDEaXDG1kp8x9hVbqgloza2mrYjE) writes:


> Sheesh! Blavatsky and Baily were ( and still are) high priests of the
> Illuminati.
> Totally STS.
> Embracingly STS i would say!
>

I know I should know this before coming onto this board...but what is STS? If
anyone can explain it simply. thank you.


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[mizbabzie@...]

In a message dated 11/19/02 9:20:41 PM Pacific Standard Time,
e.strasser@... (/group/asc2k/post?postID=lgMVN-DAqy35Ii0oEpd-faWJaOzlpUBrznVi3cibcPanWD3l0jy8ag6jMdkshRPMaVSSH1 ebDkEi4-Aq3Q) writes:


> Blavatsky and Baily were ( and still are) high priests of the Illuminati.
>

Erik, may I ask who has given you these ideas?


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[sol72us]

--- In asc2k@y..., "Erik Strasser" <e.strasser@w...> wrote:

> ...And in many ways,
> her work provides meaning in peoples
> lives not so far different from other
> religions.

> ES: Are you for real?
>
> Sheesh! Blavatsky and Baily were ( and still are) high priests of
the Illuminati.
> Totally STS.
> Embracingly STS i would say!
>
> Still loving all of you, Erik.
>

Black and White,
Intolerance and Tolerance,
Rejecting and Embracing,
Separation and Unity,
Strife and Love,
STS and STO.

The world heals with your love, Erik.
Embracingly,
Pat

[mizbabzie@...]

In a message dated 11/21/02 1:12:20 PM Pacific Standard Time,
sol72us@... (/group/asc2k/post?postID=-niYtvRa5xIhOtgGtxTtoC54R2k09ZgXjOoz0q9Z4Q2E0kiOdTC G4qheZxEuzWezkSSbrwJs2k_xHM8s) writes:


> STS stands for "Service To Self."
> It is the counterpart to "Service To Others."
>

Thank you for explaining that.

I do know what people mean about "labeling", and negative stereotyping,
etc...and bringing in love and acceptence, -- however, there is a conflict in
me sometimes -- it seems that in trying to simply say something like it is,
there can in some circles, be so much "political correctness", that there is
a loss of "honesty in communication"... I don't know if that is at all clear
or if it has anything to do with what you are saying. I'm not saying that the
people here do that...I don't know, I've only just arrived on this message
board....Does anybody follow what I'm talking about?
In a group like this, where I am already assuming that people are of a higher
awareness anyway, I would like to use normal language to describe how I'm
seeing the world...and I would NOT want my language to be misconstrued into
thinking that I come from a place of prejudice or hatred or meanspiritedness,
for simply using certain words--but that I was simply using a word or a term
that people could generally understand what I was saying.
Hope I haven't confused you all too much...LOL.
Also, I often use these descriptive words with humor ...and not with malice,
but I realize its hard to know that sometimes with written communiction on a
message board.


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[mizbabzie@...]

In a message dated 11/21/02 1:12:20 PM Pacific Standard Time,
sol72us@... (/group/asc2k/post?postID=PPgPooJkVty5U5IMVShgmu9GcXErMQQBS9-S-fYdYyrxLVzwWj7UbmtiBp1vWqAO497Txxqg_P0) writes:


> STS stands for "Service To Self."
> It is the counterpart to "Service To Others."
>

OK, on this note then, how can anyone who is familar with the Alice Bailey
material call her or Blavatsky an STS org?


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[sol72us]

--- In asc2k@y..., mizbabzie@a... wrote:
>
> I know I should know this before coming onto this board...but what
> is STS? If anyone can explain it simply. thank you.
>
STS stands for "Service To Self."
It is the counterpart to "Service To Others."

In trying to appreciate what STS means,
at one point there was an analogy to
parasitic LEECHES, like those that free-load
and don't contribute, think of a lurking leech.

Subsequently, a higher consciousness take would
be to throw out these "Black and White" labeling
systems that DON'T WORK. Throw out the LABELS.
This fosters acceptance and love, which does work.
Black and White generalizations are political tools
used to manipulate the masses.