UFOwarrior
11-17-2000, 03:12 PM
Greetings Wilcock Fans:
One of my secret agents on your list has brought some of the posts regarding
me to my attention. I feel I should drop in and respond.
I would suggest Wilcock read the Ra material a little closer before
inserting hooves in mouth. Here is the quote from Ra that shows everyone is
going to croak (according to ra) and also shows Wilcock's statement in his
original post is in error (Wilcock's original post is at the end of my
message below):
QUESTIONER: Now as this transition continues into fourth-density activation,
in order to inhabit this fourth-density sphere it will be necessary for all
third-density physical bodies to go through the process which we refer to as
death. Is this correct?
RA: I am Ra. This is correct.
Session 63
* * *
As far as debating the "enlightened" Wilcock, I am not interested. I don't
have the time. I am too busy proving the Ra contact is suspect. Besides, I
don't have any books to sell. I have had many lists and no longer
participate on lists. I feel they are a total waste of time. This is not a
cop-out and can be verified by just going to the Wanderers list and asking
around. They all know me. I got off of that list long ago and that was the
last list I was on. I do occasionally post messages to FORUMS but I don't
hang around chatting. In view of the fact that Wilcock is apparently
attacking me without me being there, I felt to drop in and post this
message. I don't plan to post anything else, because as I have said, I don't
have the time and I feel these lists are basically a waste of time.
It is not my intent to prove Wilcock wrong. My intent is to prove the
allegations I have made about the Ra material are correct. By extension that
will prove Wilcock wrong about some of the statements he has made about my
critique of the Ra contact. I intend to lay out such a massive case of
evidence that only an idiot could possibly not be suspicious of the RA
contact's motives. Wilcock claims to be channeling Ra; have him ask Ra
whatever questions he has. Then he has the data from the horse's mouth and
doesn't need it from me.
My web site is in process. I have not had a chance to complete my
presentation which will show enough evidence to support my theories.
However, I have a great deal of information up on my site that will
definitely cause one to seriously question the validity of the Ra contact.
WIlcock is lying that I said I have read the material over "20" times. Let
him prove that. Anyone who knows me, including Mandelker, Rueckert, McCarty,
and a whole bunch of others, know how well I know this material. I lost
count after 30 times. Besides, it really doesn't matter how many times I
have read the material. What matters is what the material says, and how well
I can prove my thesis.
Incidentally, Wilcock is misstating a lot of what I am saying. It would be
best for those interested in what I am actually saying to visit my web site!
Don't trust what someone else says I say, especially Wilcock, who claims to
be Edgar Cayce. Incidentally, I used to know the Cayce material very well
and Wilcock ain't no Cayce! Besides, Cayce himself said he wouldn't be back
for several hundred years. I don't recall the exact date, but I can
guarantee you it was not present day. And I know from my study of the RA
material that Wilcock is most definitely NOT channeling the Ra that is
transmitting in THE RA MATERIAL. Anyone can look at the difference in
language structure and discern that for themselves.
Incidentally, Wilcock acts like he is GREAT FRIENDS with Mandelker. It is my
understanding they met once when Wilcock attended one of Mandelker's
seminars some years ago (I don't recall the exact number of years). If they
are such great friends how come Wilcock didn't get in touch with him after
all that time until I mentioned Mandelker to him in an e-mail a month or two
ago? Great Friends? Yeah, sure. Who does Wilcock think he is bull****tin'?
It appears to me Wilcock's memory "improved" and he recalled his Great
Friend Mandelker when he received notice from me about Mandelker's new book.
Then, from my impression, Wilcock attempted to use Mandelker's name to his
advantage, and has been trying to ride Mandelker's coattails to sell his own
books and standing. These are my personal impressions from what I know about
all this. I could be mistaken but I don't believe so.
Incidentally, my "wife's" channeling has nothing to do with my presentation
on Ra. She knows the Ra material better than most people do. Her sources
only confirm what I have come to suspect. My suspicions existed long before
I even met her. This is my project and she has nothing to do with it.
Incidentally, I have downloaded Wilcock's entire Web site and I may do a
Case Study on that when time permits. I downloaded the entire site to
prevent him from changing any files. I now have the entire massive site on
CD-ROM. At that time I will contact the A.R.E. in Virginia Beach and get the
date Cayce is supposed to return and add that to my file. I have also been
to A.R.E. and met Cayce's secretary personally. Anyway, that is enough on
that. I don't know if Wilcock is significant enough to warrant taking the
time to even research the convoluted mess he has on his web site. But if he
continues to insert hooves in his mouth about me I just may take the time
out to do that. In the meantime, I have to finish my Ra critique. Because
when I finish that, then all the "enlightened ones" that have built their
teachings on the Ra foundation will find their structures crumbling into
dust.
I would suggest Wilcock do a little more reading of the Ra material before
he inserts hooves in mouth moreso than he has done already.
And as far as ME being suddenly taken over by the ORIONS? HA! I don't think
the Orions are into having the light exposing the darkness.
Thanks for the catalyst. Thank you Secret Agent XXX. Anyone wishing to
comment on my site contact me privately, as I do not intend to participate
further in Wilcock's ballgame here.
Have an enlightening day.w
Regards,
UFOwarrior
G2ii
The Gateway to Intelligent Insanity
http://www.celestcom.com/G2ii
http://www.g2ii.net (under construction)
* * *
Message sent to me by Secret Agent XXX:
> > one of our new members, sent me an Email yesterday regarding
> the website of Michael Estes, who at one time had been a
> supporter of the Ra Material and had posted the entire contents
> of Book One on his website. He was networked with my associate
> and friend Dr. Scott Mandelker and had personally interviewed
> Carla Rueckert, the surviving channel of the work. (Incidentally
> I will eventually drive or fly out to Kentucky to meet her in
> person, perhaps early next year.) His website had originally been
> titled "The Gateway to Intelligent Infinity."
> >
> > Now, however, it has been retitled, the last word "infinity"
> substituted with "insanity." On his front page there are now
> accusations regarding the validity of the Ra contact, going into
> many different areas. Here's the start: http://www.celestcom.com/G2ii/
> >
> > Honestly, folks, every point that he makes can be refuted and
> this whole issue forces anyone who has studied the work as much
> as I have go back into it again for further clarification. Some
> of his ideas are amazingly unenlightened - including the fact
> that the only meaning of "harvest" or Ascension in Ra's eyes is
> that "every person on the planet will die" despite the extensive
> context of what the soul experiences thereafter. He also states
> that there are "contradictory statements regarding the timing and
> mechanism of harvest." The only thing that I can think of that he
> would be referring to was that in one area Ra says that the
> quantum shift will be complete between 2011 and 2013, and in
> another area they say that the last remaining vestiges of
> third-density may take up to 300 years to clear. I do not feel
> that this is inconsistent, as even though the quantum shift may
> have taken place it is still possible for 3D life to continue for
> a while thereafter. None of us have actually seen yet how this
> will work, so it is quite peremptory to disavow Ra's words when
> so many other aspects have come true.
> >
> > Ra does mention the existence of a species of Bigfoot that was
> created in the event that humanity suffered a nclear event, in
> order that the planet be able to be repopulated. Estes then goes
> on to say that this is irrelevant since "everybody is going to
> die either way." However, I see it simply as a contingency plan
> in the event that we somehow did have a disaster prior to Harvest
> - there would need to be some way to keep the planet going. So no
> problem there. (and yes that spelling mistake in the first
> sentence lowers tracking of this Email...)
> >
> > In other places he accuses Ra of not having any "fourth-density
> green-ray heart energy" and uses the terms STO for service to
> others and STS for service to self - terms that come out of Ra's
> work. He tries to make a case that Ra's actions are
> service-to-self in nature - and that because they say "We do not
> concern ourselves with the conditions that will produce harvest,"
> meaning Earth Changes, that they don't care if people die.
> CONTEXTUALLY, what this was referring to was the fact that they
> did not want to focus on the negative, i.e. Earth Changes, when
> the positive aspect was that your third-density yellow-ray
> chemical body naturally gives way in a seamless transition to the
> higher body. So why should you be worried about losing one body
> and gaining another if you never feel a loss anyway?
> >
> > All of these things were on my mind as I called Dr. Mandelker
> in a dull sense of shock, and asked him if he knew what had
> gotten into Mr. Estes. We proceeded to have a long conversation
> and it was indeed very significant. Among other things, perhaps
> the most telling detail is that his wife is also a channeler and
> her own "sources" have attacked Ra on some of the points that he
> brought up. And Ra is quick to say that negative entities can
> easily overwhelm positively oriented channels and render them
> "quite useless" and use them as tools to attack the Light. (See
> sec. 7 of Ra Material Study Guide on my site.)
> >
> > So at this point it becomes a situation of, "Well, DUH..." of
> course now we can see what the root of this might be. As far as I
> am concerned, the power of the words themselves override any
> interpretation of negativity. Yes, it does not read like your
> typical 4D lovey-dovey channeling, but that wasn't its intention.
> Ultimately it comes back to you, the seeker. Read the words from
> the soul and not from the monkey-mind that is quick to jump in
> fear. Mandelker, myself and many others have benefited
> tremendously from the work of Ra and that isn't going to change
> just because someone claims to have read the series '30 times'
> (he had said 'more than twenty times' to me in an Email only six
> to eight months ago, as though this is somehow a sign of total
> knowledge and assimilation of its contents) and his wife's
> channeling pooh-pooh's it.
> >
> > Unfortunately, there now is an Internet smear on Ra that will
> become food for the skeptics who will never bother to read any
> further and just rehash this material as a means of attack. And
> that is their choice. Free will must be preserved, and perhaps
> controversy will stoke the fires a little more and encourage more
> people to find out for themselves what is really going on.
* * *
One of my secret agents on your list has brought some of the posts regarding
me to my attention. I feel I should drop in and respond.
I would suggest Wilcock read the Ra material a little closer before
inserting hooves in mouth. Here is the quote from Ra that shows everyone is
going to croak (according to ra) and also shows Wilcock's statement in his
original post is in error (Wilcock's original post is at the end of my
message below):
QUESTIONER: Now as this transition continues into fourth-density activation,
in order to inhabit this fourth-density sphere it will be necessary for all
third-density physical bodies to go through the process which we refer to as
death. Is this correct?
RA: I am Ra. This is correct.
Session 63
* * *
As far as debating the "enlightened" Wilcock, I am not interested. I don't
have the time. I am too busy proving the Ra contact is suspect. Besides, I
don't have any books to sell. I have had many lists and no longer
participate on lists. I feel they are a total waste of time. This is not a
cop-out and can be verified by just going to the Wanderers list and asking
around. They all know me. I got off of that list long ago and that was the
last list I was on. I do occasionally post messages to FORUMS but I don't
hang around chatting. In view of the fact that Wilcock is apparently
attacking me without me being there, I felt to drop in and post this
message. I don't plan to post anything else, because as I have said, I don't
have the time and I feel these lists are basically a waste of time.
It is not my intent to prove Wilcock wrong. My intent is to prove the
allegations I have made about the Ra material are correct. By extension that
will prove Wilcock wrong about some of the statements he has made about my
critique of the Ra contact. I intend to lay out such a massive case of
evidence that only an idiot could possibly not be suspicious of the RA
contact's motives. Wilcock claims to be channeling Ra; have him ask Ra
whatever questions he has. Then he has the data from the horse's mouth and
doesn't need it from me.
My web site is in process. I have not had a chance to complete my
presentation which will show enough evidence to support my theories.
However, I have a great deal of information up on my site that will
definitely cause one to seriously question the validity of the Ra contact.
WIlcock is lying that I said I have read the material over "20" times. Let
him prove that. Anyone who knows me, including Mandelker, Rueckert, McCarty,
and a whole bunch of others, know how well I know this material. I lost
count after 30 times. Besides, it really doesn't matter how many times I
have read the material. What matters is what the material says, and how well
I can prove my thesis.
Incidentally, Wilcock is misstating a lot of what I am saying. It would be
best for those interested in what I am actually saying to visit my web site!
Don't trust what someone else says I say, especially Wilcock, who claims to
be Edgar Cayce. Incidentally, I used to know the Cayce material very well
and Wilcock ain't no Cayce! Besides, Cayce himself said he wouldn't be back
for several hundred years. I don't recall the exact date, but I can
guarantee you it was not present day. And I know from my study of the RA
material that Wilcock is most definitely NOT channeling the Ra that is
transmitting in THE RA MATERIAL. Anyone can look at the difference in
language structure and discern that for themselves.
Incidentally, Wilcock acts like he is GREAT FRIENDS with Mandelker. It is my
understanding they met once when Wilcock attended one of Mandelker's
seminars some years ago (I don't recall the exact number of years). If they
are such great friends how come Wilcock didn't get in touch with him after
all that time until I mentioned Mandelker to him in an e-mail a month or two
ago? Great Friends? Yeah, sure. Who does Wilcock think he is bull****tin'?
It appears to me Wilcock's memory "improved" and he recalled his Great
Friend Mandelker when he received notice from me about Mandelker's new book.
Then, from my impression, Wilcock attempted to use Mandelker's name to his
advantage, and has been trying to ride Mandelker's coattails to sell his own
books and standing. These are my personal impressions from what I know about
all this. I could be mistaken but I don't believe so.
Incidentally, my "wife's" channeling has nothing to do with my presentation
on Ra. She knows the Ra material better than most people do. Her sources
only confirm what I have come to suspect. My suspicions existed long before
I even met her. This is my project and she has nothing to do with it.
Incidentally, I have downloaded Wilcock's entire Web site and I may do a
Case Study on that when time permits. I downloaded the entire site to
prevent him from changing any files. I now have the entire massive site on
CD-ROM. At that time I will contact the A.R.E. in Virginia Beach and get the
date Cayce is supposed to return and add that to my file. I have also been
to A.R.E. and met Cayce's secretary personally. Anyway, that is enough on
that. I don't know if Wilcock is significant enough to warrant taking the
time to even research the convoluted mess he has on his web site. But if he
continues to insert hooves in his mouth about me I just may take the time
out to do that. In the meantime, I have to finish my Ra critique. Because
when I finish that, then all the "enlightened ones" that have built their
teachings on the Ra foundation will find their structures crumbling into
dust.
I would suggest Wilcock do a little more reading of the Ra material before
he inserts hooves in mouth moreso than he has done already.
And as far as ME being suddenly taken over by the ORIONS? HA! I don't think
the Orions are into having the light exposing the darkness.
Thanks for the catalyst. Thank you Secret Agent XXX. Anyone wishing to
comment on my site contact me privately, as I do not intend to participate
further in Wilcock's ballgame here.
Have an enlightening day.w
Regards,
UFOwarrior
G2ii
The Gateway to Intelligent Insanity
http://www.celestcom.com/G2ii
http://www.g2ii.net (under construction)
* * *
Message sent to me by Secret Agent XXX:
> > one of our new members, sent me an Email yesterday regarding
> the website of Michael Estes, who at one time had been a
> supporter of the Ra Material and had posted the entire contents
> of Book One on his website. He was networked with my associate
> and friend Dr. Scott Mandelker and had personally interviewed
> Carla Rueckert, the surviving channel of the work. (Incidentally
> I will eventually drive or fly out to Kentucky to meet her in
> person, perhaps early next year.) His website had originally been
> titled "The Gateway to Intelligent Infinity."
> >
> > Now, however, it has been retitled, the last word "infinity"
> substituted with "insanity." On his front page there are now
> accusations regarding the validity of the Ra contact, going into
> many different areas. Here's the start: http://www.celestcom.com/G2ii/
> >
> > Honestly, folks, every point that he makes can be refuted and
> this whole issue forces anyone who has studied the work as much
> as I have go back into it again for further clarification. Some
> of his ideas are amazingly unenlightened - including the fact
> that the only meaning of "harvest" or Ascension in Ra's eyes is
> that "every person on the planet will die" despite the extensive
> context of what the soul experiences thereafter. He also states
> that there are "contradictory statements regarding the timing and
> mechanism of harvest." The only thing that I can think of that he
> would be referring to was that in one area Ra says that the
> quantum shift will be complete between 2011 and 2013, and in
> another area they say that the last remaining vestiges of
> third-density may take up to 300 years to clear. I do not feel
> that this is inconsistent, as even though the quantum shift may
> have taken place it is still possible for 3D life to continue for
> a while thereafter. None of us have actually seen yet how this
> will work, so it is quite peremptory to disavow Ra's words when
> so many other aspects have come true.
> >
> > Ra does mention the existence of a species of Bigfoot that was
> created in the event that humanity suffered a nclear event, in
> order that the planet be able to be repopulated. Estes then goes
> on to say that this is irrelevant since "everybody is going to
> die either way." However, I see it simply as a contingency plan
> in the event that we somehow did have a disaster prior to Harvest
> - there would need to be some way to keep the planet going. So no
> problem there. (and yes that spelling mistake in the first
> sentence lowers tracking of this Email...)
> >
> > In other places he accuses Ra of not having any "fourth-density
> green-ray heart energy" and uses the terms STO for service to
> others and STS for service to self - terms that come out of Ra's
> work. He tries to make a case that Ra's actions are
> service-to-self in nature - and that because they say "We do not
> concern ourselves with the conditions that will produce harvest,"
> meaning Earth Changes, that they don't care if people die.
> CONTEXTUALLY, what this was referring to was the fact that they
> did not want to focus on the negative, i.e. Earth Changes, when
> the positive aspect was that your third-density yellow-ray
> chemical body naturally gives way in a seamless transition to the
> higher body. So why should you be worried about losing one body
> and gaining another if you never feel a loss anyway?
> >
> > All of these things were on my mind as I called Dr. Mandelker
> in a dull sense of shock, and asked him if he knew what had
> gotten into Mr. Estes. We proceeded to have a long conversation
> and it was indeed very significant. Among other things, perhaps
> the most telling detail is that his wife is also a channeler and
> her own "sources" have attacked Ra on some of the points that he
> brought up. And Ra is quick to say that negative entities can
> easily overwhelm positively oriented channels and render them
> "quite useless" and use them as tools to attack the Light. (See
> sec. 7 of Ra Material Study Guide on my site.)
> >
> > So at this point it becomes a situation of, "Well, DUH..." of
> course now we can see what the root of this might be. As far as I
> am concerned, the power of the words themselves override any
> interpretation of negativity. Yes, it does not read like your
> typical 4D lovey-dovey channeling, but that wasn't its intention.
> Ultimately it comes back to you, the seeker. Read the words from
> the soul and not from the monkey-mind that is quick to jump in
> fear. Mandelker, myself and many others have benefited
> tremendously from the work of Ra and that isn't going to change
> just because someone claims to have read the series '30 times'
> (he had said 'more than twenty times' to me in an Email only six
> to eight months ago, as though this is somehow a sign of total
> knowledge and assimilation of its contents) and his wife's
> channeling pooh-pooh's it.
> >
> > Unfortunately, there now is an Internet smear on Ra that will
> become food for the skeptics who will never bother to read any
> further and just rehash this material as a means of attack. And
> that is their choice. Free will must be preserved, and perhaps
> controversy will stoke the fires a little more and encourage more
> people to find out for themselves what is really going on.
* * *