cult?

[snakedancerr]

folks, i may be banned for this post but it doesn't matter to me because all i
want to do here is give my opinion once, for the benefit of all other group
members.

i would just like to quote from the group policy, formulated by the moderator:

if you disagree with the spiritual cosmology and
perspectives presented in the above sources, then
this group is certainly not the right place for you.
we make these statements because our intention is
to provide you with a group that is harmonious and
balanced........
skeptics, critics, ...... may also be banned

folks, these are the by-laws of a cult. it doesn't matter whether the material
presented here is true or not. the fact that people are threatened with banning
for nothing more than disagreeing with the moderator, makes this a cult by
defintion. actually the fundamental disagreements here would not even be in
disagreeing with the moderator, but with the validity of some of the channelled
information. and that is what is really being held as sacrosanct or
untouchable.
in closing, i would just like to say that anyone who believes anything that
he/she has not directly intuited or experienced is already a member of some
cult, and is giving away their power to that cult. the outcome of the end game
being played out on this planet is undecided, imho, and i intend to keep my feet
planted firmly within my own consciousness and my own intuition and not in
someone else's channelled hype.
regards to all


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[Jeremy Weiland]

> i would just like to quote from the group policy,
> formulated by the moderator:
> "if you disagree with the spiritual cosmology and
> perspectives presented in the above sources, then
> this group is certainly not the right place for you.
> we make these statements because our intention is
> to provide you with a group that is harmonious and
> balanced........ skeptics, critics, ...... may also
> be banned"
> folks, these are the by-laws of a cult. it doesn't
> matter whether the material presented here is true
> or not. the fact that people are threatened with
> banning for nothing more than disagreeing with the
> moderator, makes this a cult by defintion.

ok, fine. if that's your definition of a cult, then
that's what we are. in which case, you shouldn't wait
to be banned :-)

but i disagree with the definition. a cult is a group
that compels a person to think like they do or be
ostracized. we don't force people to think the same
things that we do - and i think if you browse through
the archives you will see that our discussions have
covered many off topic issues - but within the
confines of *this* tiny little forum, we ask that
discussion (not thought) be focused to a certain
degree. everybody who joined this list joined to
learn about asc2k. to allow this list to be used for
other people to promulgate their own competing and
conflicting belief systems only serves to confuse
people about what the ideas for which the list was
created in the first place.

you can see it as censorship, but would you go into an
english class to talk about physics? there is a time
and a place for everything. staying on topic is a
hard thing to do a lot of the time because we *all*
have other ideas and opinions outside what we talk
about on asc2k - even david. but if we turn the list
into a free-for-all, then those who really want to
study the chosen topics will not find the list as
valuable.

there are plenty of yahoo!groups in which discussion
of general spirituality / physics is permissable and
encouraged. here we ask that we stick to a narrower
subject range to minimize confusion.

> actually the fundamental disagreements here would
> not even be in disagreeing with the moderator, but
> with the validity of some of the channelled
> information. and that is what is really being held
> as sacrosanct or untouchable.

that is a misinterpretation, to put it bluntly. the
point of restriciting such conversation does not imply
that the information is sacrosanct and untouchable.
unfortunately it is the case that channelled
information is empirically unverifiable. therefore,
we could argue back and forth all day about which
source is right and which is wrong, and nobody would
be the wiser. it is precisely because the information
is not untouchable that we need to be very clear about

what we are going to accept as valid and what we will
regard as invalid, and also be clear about why we are
coming to these conclusions.

> in closing, i would just like to say that anyone who
> believes anything that he/she has not directly
> intuited or experienced is already a member of some
> cult, and is giving away their power to that cult.
> the outcome of the end game being played out on this
> planet is undecided, imho, and i intend to keep my
> feet planted firmly within my own consciousness and
> my own intuition and not in someone else's
> channelled hype.

ok, i gave you your little soapbox. hope you're
happy. :-) but keep in mind that this list has been
around for well over two years, and this format works
very well for us. and it's not a democracy - the list
is owned by david, and he sets the rules. in other
words, love it or leave it. well, you don't have to
love it, but you know what i mean.

l/l

jeremy

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[Brian Cox]

i think a dose of skepticism is healthy, and i appreciate your opinions.
i certainly dont think
you should be banned for pointing this out. i almost posted something
similar when david
was considering charging a monthly fee for membership. he once said
something along the
lines of that is one of the main signals of a cult...asking for money...

i think these "by-laws" are more a guideline for keeping people out who are
so highly
charged against the material that they become a danger to the stability of
the group.
the only people i've seen banned were clear dangers to the integrity of the
group,
and were only here to serve their own agendas.

you certainly seem reasonable in stating your opinions, and i encourage you
to stick around.

in lak'ech, brian


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folks, i may be banned for this post but it doesn't matter to me because
all i want to do here is give my opinion once, for the benefit of all other
group members.

i would just like to quote from the group policy, formulated by the
moderator:

if you disagree with the spiritual cosmology and
perspectives presented in the above sources, then
this group is certainly not the right place for you.
we make these statements because our intention is
to provide you with a group that is harmonious and
balanced........
skeptics, critics, ...... may also be banned

folks, these are the by-laws of a cult. it doesn't matter whether the
material presented here is true or not. the


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[Erik Strasser]

folks, i may be banned for this post but it doesn't matter to me because all i
want to do here is give my opinion once, for the benefit of all other group
members.

i would just like to quote from the group policy, formulated by the moderator:

if you disagree with the spiritual cosmology and
perspectives presented in the above sources, then
this group is certainly not the right place for you.
we make these statements because our intention is
to provide you with a group that is harmonious and
balanced........
skeptics, critics, ...... may also be banned

folks, these are the by-laws of a cult. it doesn't matter whether the material
presented here is true or not. the fact that people are threatened with banning
for nothing more than disagreeing with the moderator, makes this a cult by
defintion. actually the fundamental disagreements here would not even be in
disagreeing with the moderator, but with the validity of some of the channelled
information. and that is what is really being held as sacrosanct or
untouchable.
in closing, i would just like to say that anyone who believes anything that
he/she has not directly intuited or experienced is already a member of some
cult, and is giving away their power to that cult. the outcome of the end game
being played out on this planet is undecided, imho, and i intend to keep my feet
planted firmly within my own consciousness and my own intuition and not in
someone else's channelled hype.
regards to all


es: perhaps one can argue about the definition of the word cult.
but i think the first thing one must find out (if it wants participation in this
group) is if ra's message ( the law of one) resonates with you, if it feels
authentic. and ofcourse, if you want to ascend. (asc2k is about ascension)
all david's other material stems from and is related to the law of one, hence he
is a part of ra. (wanderer)
for me personally the ra-material is one of the highest channeled materials ever
released by the confedaration.
i can clearly see that ra is a density 6 group soul and i have till this day not
seen any other channeled material from this density other than from quo, which
is also part of ra's group soul.

when you study "a course in miracles" or the "urantia book" or other material
you can see that its send by consiousness from the densities four and five ( and
some are from precarnate entities from our density and also some is just the
imagination of the channel).
and you can see that these entities have not (yet) completed the density of
wisdom yet, since there information is not the complete picture and is somewhat
related to (jesus)christ and the comming "love" density mankind will enter.
ofcourse is all material send down to resonate with you, so if you resonate with
any material, you have found youre path or to be more precise, you have found
your higher self and its time to polarize towards it. ( imho only)

when you study ra closely you can get the feeling that ra was trying to activate
its members here on earth in order to help mankind. in other words, ra's message
(the law of one) was material for the group ll-research in order to activate the
wanderers. and ra's intitial mission was to assist its members to become
channels for initiation.
however, the questioner don elkins wanted to make a book of the law of one and
so we have this wonderfull piece of wisdom.
( i still have the feeling ra knew already what don was going to do :-))

ra's information if understood by the forces of sts would make them switch
polarization, however since they are so illusional in there own creation-stories
they are in denial (separate, left hand path).
hence, the xeper* is what they want until they realize that we experience xeper
already, since we are united and in service of the highest realm before merging.
( doesnt mean i am a wanderer, but that i relate to density 6 knowledge)
( i mean, i can already imagine how a vampyre realizes itself into being, but i
also can imagine how all other separate entities realize themselves).

so this discussion group is in general for wanderers to discuss there feelings
and experiences ( like there 11:11 syncronisations) and to realize that they are
the bringers of peace.
the rest of this group ( me included) is drawn by catalyst (the higher self) in
order to see if we accept or reject this catalyst ( roadmap). but in reality,
god knows already what each of us will choose.

so are we a "cult" group?
i dont think so, since the vocal sound vibration "cult" is illusional and doesnt
support unity and service to others.
it tends to create the illusion of separation, which this group definitly is
not.
also (and i can speak from experience) this group and its moderators are very
easy in critics and skeptisism.
they just dont see any reason to let others promote there negatieve greetings,
in which case this post should not make it into the group if they feel below is
a negatieve greeting.
however, it is not. its information about what a "cult" realy is.
hence, its my believe that the difference between a cult and this group is this
post will suffice, while they block all information of other orianted entities.

*if you want to know what a "cult" is i would suggest at youre own risk and
free-will to study one of the highest cults of separation, namely the order of
set, which experience xeper.
this cult is probably the only group that will intitiate entities into density 4
sts at this time.
again i want to stress that it is at youre own risk and free-will, but if you
only read there general information and not contact them you will get the real
picture of sts and you will see that they are really not evil** ( they find evil
stupid) and that they are indeed the left hand path of the infinite one and that
they respect free-will.
but still... they are in the illusion much more than the right hand side, which
for now is christ consiousness.

** evil is infringerment of free-will, which will result in karma. something
neither path's of god wants to have or even can take with it into the higher
densities at large.

and believe me, ra has no problem to experience sts entities, while set (satan)
cannot experience ra or sto.
as ra is in density 6 and can connect to all entities, hence ra almost is all
entities.
in reality set or satanism is the archetype of separation and not an entity. and
it will never make it into density 6.
so if i may promote... choose to be in service of the one infinite creator and
you will have it all, something they dont quite figured out yet. :)

http://www.xeper.org/pub/xp_main.htm

love peace and unity folks :-)

erik.





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