Abduction Special

[jha_amin]

for those of you who are willing to admit you have a tv. ;)
do you think these et abductions are sto or sts?
obviously,imo, abduction would be an sts act since most likely there
was no conscience consent by the abductee.

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abduction diaries special
sci fi channel
11/21/2002
10:00 p.m. et/pt & 1:00 a.m. et/pt

http://www.scifi.com/events/event.php3?
event_id=6397&date=11/21/2002&type=0

the hour-long "abduction diaries" documentary assembles several
first-person
accounts of lifelong contact with extraterrestrial beings. by
tracing the
individuals' experiences over the course of their lives, the special
will
reveal many of the mysteries of the abduction phenomena and describe
the
transformative impact it has had on these individuals' lives. from
unexplained childhood disappearances to meeting hybrid children of
their
own, these people will walk the viewer through first encounters,
terrifying
contacts, and how they learned to understand and incorporate
being "chosen"
into their lives today.

air dates:

thursday, 11/21 - 8:00 p.m.
saturday, 11/23 - 4:00 p.m.
tuesday, 11/26 - 8:00 a.m.
sunday, 12/1 - 1:00 a.m.
friday, 12/6 - 3:00 a.m.
sunday, 12/8 - 9:00 a.m.
saturday, 12/14 - 10:00 a.m.

[Mawk]

hi all,

my view is that it is not as simple as you might think. a lady i
corresponded with from melbourne had been working with abductees for over 20
years using hypnosis. she said one of the most rewarding aspects of the work
came from the abductee realizing that this experience had been agreed to on
a soul level. most people working with abductees according to her do not go
far enough back in their regressions to retrieve this information. also you
should be aware that it is likely that many groups are interacting with
various humans not just one group.

when you think about it all the drama comes from an individual's fear. this
was my major realization several years back and now the aspects of my
interaction (usually comes in dream form, fragmented memories or possibly
telepathic ideas) i really look forward too. as a child though i was
crippled by the fear and basically did not recall a dream for 30 years. this
fear though was a result of the view of society at that time (hasn't changed
much) rather than what i experienced with them.

having said the above, it is clear that some et's maybe work for their own
self interest. on the other hand if you can provide them with genetic
material to save them from extinction, is that not a great opportunity for
sto behaviour?

you might also be surprised how many people are interacting with et's yet
have no recall at all of the experience due to fear and trauma. it is a
recently discovered phenomena that under high trauma the hippocampus in the
brain gets flooded with glucocorticoid. a range of studies have shown that
direct glucocorticoid exposure to the hippocampus, specifically the ca3
region, leads to decreased dendrite branching, alterations in synaptic
terminal structure, a depletion of neurons, and an inhibition of neuronal
regeneration. all this leads in laymen's terms to our inability to access
memories. these studies have given an anatomical basis to false memory
syndrome usually associated with child abuse victims but clearly could be
relevant to abductees.

given the above maybe the term abductee is inappropriate. of course
depending on your frame of reference we are all et's. most though are in
denial:-)

cheers,

mawk

ps you should expect inverted views from down under!

pps back in a week or two, got some exams to deal with at the same time as
david's next presentation. for all those going to the next conference i wish
you a great experience, though i can't make it in body who knows i might
make it in soul.

[Gerardus]

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date: wed, 06 nov 2002 01:27:48 -0000
from: "jha_amin" <frm@... (/group/asc2k/post?postid=b5k-w6mfu-ilb0xnlymflnmmfjtnpmdpverrwep08b47eejl9awxk7r6plx8 ej129qkfydgg)>
subject: abduction special

for those of you who are willing to admit you have a tv. ;)
do you think these et abductions are sto or sts?
obviously,imo, abduction would be an sts act since most likely there
was no conscience consent by the abductee.


hello "jha_amin" <frm@... (/group/asc2k/post?postid=b5k-w6mfu-ilb0xnlymflnmmfjtnpmdpverrwep08b47eejl9awxk7r6plx8 ej129qkfydgg)>
it's hard to tell what is sts or sto by these abductions for we do not know
what was agreed upon before we were born. some of us might remember but i
feel that most do not. there are no accidents and a major thing like an
abduction is scheduled as far as i can see. classifying this as sts or sto
is a bit besides the point. i feel that we as human being can only become a
sto candidate as long as we are in 3d. our task in this 3d world is to
become aware and see through the games we play here. once we do, we will
find them childish if not boring. time to move i figure. this does not mean
that i find life boring as an observer...

4d might be a different picture - gerardus


read some of my articles if you like...
http://www.soulwise.net/25p-tbs.htm the big secret
http://www.soulwise.net/25a-tgs.htm the global scenarios

[jha_amin]

--- in asc2k@y..., gerardus <gerardus@o...> wrote:
>
> message: 2
> date: wed, 06 nov 2002 01:27:48 -0000
> from: "jha_amin" <frm@a...>
> subject: abduction special
>
hello, geradus. a pleasant suprise since i did not know you
were on this list.

> it's hard to tell what is sts or sto by these abductions for we do
not know
> what was agreed upon before we were born. some of us might
remember but i
> feel that most do not.


sts would abduct
anyone they could if the purpose served them and they were able to
pull it off.
sto would likely not interfere with the natural progression of
events.

there are no accidents and a major thing like an
> abduction is scheduled as far as i can see. classifying this as
sts or sto
> is a bit besides the point.

depends on the motive, i would think.

i feel that we as human being can only become a
> sto candidate as long as we are in 3d. our task in this 3d world
is to
> become aware and see through the games we play here. once we do,
we will
> find them childish if not boring. time to move i figure. this
does not mean
> that i find life boring as an observer...
>
> 4d might be a different picture - gerardus
>
>
> read some of my articles if you like...
> http://www.soulwise.net/25p-tbs.htm the big secret
> http://www.soulwise.net/25a-tgs.htm the global scenarios

[jha_amin]

--- in asc2k@y..., "mawk" <mawk109@o...> wrote:
>
> having said the above, it is clear that some et's maybe work for
their own
> self interest. on the other hand if you can provide them with
genetic
> material to save them from extinction, is that not a great
opportunity for
> sto behaviour?

well, as long as that "genetic material" is not the vats of human
body parts that some abductees report seeing. ;)

that would of course mean that cattle are taking advantage of this
sto opportunity. (please forgive my warped sense of humor)



>
> given the above maybe the term abductee is inappropriate. of course
> depending on your frame of reference we are all et's. most though
are in
> denial:-)

we are in complete agreement there.

thanks for responding to my question, mawk.

>
> cheers,
>
> mawk
>
> ps you should expect inverted views from down under!
>
> pps back in a week or two, got some exams to deal with at the same
time as
> david's next presentation. for all those going to the next
conference i wish
> you a great experience, though i can't make it in body who knows i
might
> make it in soul.

[JULIA WOLFE]

i waited to see if anyone else had a response to mawk's statement: "having said
the above, it is clear that some et's maybe work for their own self interest. on
the other hand if you can provide them with genetic material to save them from
extinction, is that not a great opportunity for sto behaviour?"

jha_amin added:
well, as long as that "genetic material" is not the vats of human
body parts that some abductees report seeing. ;)

what i believe is that if such "service to others" went on to "save" a group
from extinction, that may be the kind of love without wisdom ra talked about
coming from 4d. if the group was coming to extinction because of karmic
behavior or a loss of consciousness around their connection to spirit/soul/light
then what is created by lending genetic material to such a group mind? is it
not perpetuating a level of separation of self from self? why would one want to
do that? unless the buggars are manipulative, carry big sticks, or whine a lot.
lol at which point one again needs to look at their own shadow and how that
plays into the situation.

what may be as important is to hold a line saying what you want to take or use
from me is what can awaken in you. i cannot give you that awakening, nor can my
genes. there is a third way that can be explored now, but you will need to stop
relying on genetics and "kindness" of strangers (soul contracts) to find
entrance to that level of evolution.

service to others can also be "i love you -- no." from that gate something
beyond the past can emerge.

julia wolfe
golden prairie essentials
aligning core energy, birthing the soul, clearing and centering in the now.


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[jha_amin]

--- in asc2k@y..., "julia wolfe" <lightspeak@m...> wrote:
> service to others can also be "i love you -- no." from that gate
something beyond the past can emerge.
>
>
a "well said" summary.

we obviously learn to say "no" to survive in our everyday lives and
where the soul is concerned it is of utmost importance to be able
to say no.

sts assumes that service to self is the same as service to god since
we are all one. (offer them an arm and they will also take a
leg) ;)

in the game of "good and evil, black and white" you cannot
participate by being a doormat. this is the ultimate "non
partcipation", and would bring the game to an end if all of sto
were to fall for this ruse.

true, all the pieces, both black and white are put back in the
same box when the game is over, but there is no game if one part
refuses to play.

thanks for your insightful comments, julia.
i like the way you think.

glen

[karbrown77]

"what i believe is that if such "service to others" went on
to "save" a group from extinction, that may be the kind of love
without wisdom ra talked about coming from 4d"

i think i remember reading that any abduction experiences were
basically bad karma. if an entity would offer genetic material then
it would be sto on their part. however, abduction against an
entity's will was wrong. if, i remember correctly.
blessings,
karen

[Mawk]

hi julia, karen, jha_amin and other interested parties,

till friday (for a complete response), but it is my view that there are many
important issues to address with respect to this thread.

second, could robin, chris, jeremy or any other ra scholar help me out here
with some information. from memory one of the ra books states that one of
the greatest sts/negative polarity activities is the extinction of a
species. could you confirm this either way please. the other possibility is
that i am confusing this notion with buddhist ideology. thanks in advance.

cheers,

mawk

[Chris]

mawk wrote:
from memory one of the ra books states that one of the greatest
sts/negative polarity activities is the extinction of a species.
could you confirm this either way please. the other possibility is
that i am confusing this notion with buddhist ideology. thanks in
advance.
_______________

i wanted to take a stab at this before i go to huntsville. i know
mawk is deep in the throes of "final-fever", so he can read this when
he finishes his psyche exams on the 15th :)

what i believe here is first, the sts entity gets it's power from
subjugation and manipulation of other-selves, creating separation for
the other-selves. logically, imho, for the sts entity, destruction of
a species would be counter-productive-there would be no one left over
to enslave:) but, i did look thru the books, thinking that something
may have been mentioned in regards to maldek or mars, but i could
find nothing. thus, a deductive statement only. hope it helped mawk!
love you chris

[Tofu Dragon]

> what i believe here is first, the sts entity gets
> it's power from
> subjugation and manipulation of other-selves,
> creating separation for
> the other-selves. logically, imho, for the sts
> entity, destruction of
> a species would be counter-productive-there would be
> no one left over
> to enslave:)
> love you chris

just had a thought on this here that came to mind. if
we didn't have sts entities creating separation would
the sto entities be able to polarize as strongly sto
as they are able to do? i mean doesn't the sts entity
really help the sto make the "choice" again and again
to be sto and polarize more strongly sto? we are one!
=)
-love

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[Tiffani Boswell]

hi tofu,

that is right, in the sense that ra stated that it took along long time when
there was no "veil" because they then knew we are all one...and there was
not much catalyst to move forward to the next dimension so it was taking
many many cycles...

and buy the way...your post was made at 11:11 am.

see below :))

tiffani
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>
> > what i believe here is first, the sts entity gets
> > it's power from
> > subjugation and manipulation of other-selves,
> > creating separation for
> > the other-selves. logically, imho, for the sts
> > entity, destruction of
> > a species would be counter-productive-there would be
> > no one left over
> > to enslave:)
> > love you chris
>
> just had a thought on this here that came to mind. if
> we didn't have sts entities creating separation would
> the sto entities be able to polarize as strongly sto
> as they are able to do? i mean doesn't the sts entity
> really help the sto make the "choice" again and again
> to be sto and polarize more strongly sto? we are one!
> =)
> -love
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[Tiffani Boswell]

chris wrote:> what i believe here is first, the sts entity gets it's power
from
> subjugation and manipulation of other-selves, creating separation for
> the other-selves. logically, imho, for the sts entity, destruction of
> a species would be counter-productive-there would be no one left over
> to enslave:)

tiffani: interesting interesting...i too will take a stab before officially
signing off on the journey across the united states to a far off land called
alabama???

anyway.

i do remember reading in book i, that the sts entity once it gets to 5th
dimension is a loner...very segregated existence...this was in teh part
where ra was saying that 4d sts are the only ones involved int he
"armageddon" fight going on in our inner planes right now...

so it would seem that possibly having "no-one left" doesn't mean you can't
advance sts...as the 5d sts are alone, in that sense...

just my ops.

tiffani

[Chris Hamilton]

chris:logically, imho, for the sts entity, destruction of
a species would be counter-productive-there would be no one left over to
enslave:)

tiffani: interesting interesting...i too will take a stab
i do remember reading in book i, that the sts entity once it gets to 5th
dimension is a loner...very segregated existence...this was in teh part where ra
was saying that 4d sts are the only ones involved int he "armageddon" fight
going on in our inner planes right now...so it would seem that possibly having
"no-one left" doesn't mean you can't advance sts...as the 5d sts are alone, in
that sense...
____________
well, remember how carla was being attacked by a 5th density negative entity? i
suppose it picks on other densities if there is nowhere else to go? :) still,
that 5th density entity was only trying to destroy one positive soul and absorb
its polarity. it wasn't trying to destroy all of the positives on the planet. i
thought of it this way-the old desert island thingy. if you were shipwrecked all
by your negative self (and i'm thinking along the 3rd density critters, not
other dimensions) on a totally uninhabited island (not even animals), who would
you victimize? there wouldn't be much point in existence except to be miserable
and victimize yourself :) .......you know, that might work too. chris





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