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Lynn Ferguson
07-16-2001, 02:04 PM
I have referred to paper notes as 'raw green energy' for years and find
it a viable, useful, and accurate metaphor for the points I make in reference
to these instruments and how people choose to use them to further their
dreams and aspirations.

As was mentioned previously in another post, money is only an 'object'
that doesn't possess any human emotional attributes independently of
itself. The intent and application by the individual determines the
'affect' attached to this simple little piece of paper. In our society,
money IS the 'energy' that drives the economy, business, consumption
of resources, development, human endeavors of all kinds, and the expenditure
of that 'energy' is simply a demonstration of the ways a human being
manifests a desire/dream into physical reality.

The Earth's energy is wondrous! But rather than the energy of the Earth
being 'green' only, it is 'brown' and 'green' and a vast array of other
colors which display a rich diversity of frequency of thought and form.
Just spend some time digging your hands into the good earth and the
exuberant 'brown' energy of the soil will amaze you constantly. The
'green' comes from the 'brown' in the fullness of its unfoldment in form
and image as the result of the fulfillment of the 'dream'. The Green
Movement of the Environmentalists have coined the concept of 'green'
and it sticks. I do often refer to the Earth as the Emerald of the Universe
using the symbolism of the color green as one of productivity, and as
the story goes, that is one of the qualities that attracted the Orions
and Sirians to use the natural resources of our planet in their trade
routes intergalactically. The Earth is a little out of the ordinary
transit pathways, by its location in the Milky Way, but these Beings
found our minerals, especially our Gold, to be worth the trip. Their
mining operations in South America are spoken of freely by those indigenous
peoples in that area. The point that Zachariah Sitchin makes about the
Annunaki wanting our Gold to repair the damage done to their atmosphere
from pollution...also gives further credence to their attraction to the
productive resources here on our precious planet.

Money as an 'object' is neutral. It is a resource that emanates from
the Mind of Godman. And since you ask me directly, Christian, I want
to reply: Yes, in an odd sort of way, I have, in fact, seen many examples
of coins and notes with God's faces upon them. From my perspective,
I see the Isness of God in All That Is, and thus - I see Godmen and Godwomen
with their likeness on coins and notes of the realm, both present and
past. From shekels to denarius, from Lincoln pennies, to Benny Bucks...humans
have a habit of putting a face on their representations of 'property'.
I favored the Buffalo nickel myself, and love the Statue of Liberty
on the Million Dollar Bill from IAM made by my friend, Terry (although
the Secret Service didn't like it much at first!), but most currencies
around the world put faces of dignitaries and statemen on their paper
to substantiate 'worth' and 'value' - but there is promise with the logo
that the World Service Authority uses from Buckminster Fuller's design.


Lastly, I don't see the use of paper and coin as a compromise...
It actually makes the distribution and exchange process much more practical
and convenient for everyone who chooses to agree to use them.
This practice evolved after the 'markets of the cheesemakers' in local
communities sometimes made it impractical to haul your 'stuff' to the
market and back everyday. Just hauling water was a major task. So to
carry and trade light paper and small metal coins made logical sense.

More later...



"It is not, and should not be seen as 'raw green energy',
the Earth is the only posessor of 'raw green energy' which we continue
to burn and pillage and acrifice at the altar of 'money'
Money is not neutral and is not one of Gods 'resources', it is an
invented resource of man, God gave us all the tools and resources we
need when he gave us the Earth.
I havn't yet seen any coins or notes with God's picture on them, have
you Lynn?
By the exchange of tokens representing goods and services we bypass the
human interaction which opens the door to love and compassion within
us. So in my opinion, money is something we can do without, the sooner
we realise this the better for all of us.
This may seem like an extreme view, but from my mud hut :), where I'm
standing it makes perfect sense. In the mean time we will and have to
continue to use it and to compromise as we do throughout life, the
practical compromise being minimisation of use."


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Lynn Ferguson
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Mark Ruenes
07-16-2001, 06:29 PM
money may just be an object, but when you have 60% of the population that
can't go 2 months without a paycheck or they'll go bankrupt...then it
becomes a necessity.

and once it becomes a necessity then your trapped into the whole economic
structure, which fuels the poltics. so basically by being a part of the
whole money system we perpetuate the greed,anger,hate and everything else
that money causes. and by paying our taxes we fuel the gov't, so we
basically ok everything the gov't does b/c we fund it.

just look at the large corporations like wal-mart. I used to work for them
and witnessed it first hand. Do you remember a time when you could go to
walmart and see the same cashiers and get to know them on some personal
level, well look at it now. You can walk into walmart now and not know
anyone b/c theres an endless cycle of people that need to work to support
themselves, and they pull them in at minimum wage.

the company i contract with now is thinking about closing their plant here
in the states and moving it to honduras b/c they can make 900% more profit
on the money they save paying the employees in honduras versus here. and
where do you think that 900% profit is going, its going to the bonuses at
the end of the year...so the big wigs can take their vacations in maui or
europe or where ever. and where does that put the poor plant employee that
is losing their job?

just my 2 cents on the subject.

Mark

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> I have referred to paper notes as 'raw green energy' for years and find
> it a viable, useful, and accurate metaphor for the points I make in
reference
> to these instruments and how people choose to use them to further their
> dreams and aspirations.
>
> As was mentioned previously in another post, money is only an 'object'
> that doesn't possess any human emotional attributes independently of
> itself. The intent and application by the individual determines the
> 'affect' attached to this simple little piece of paper. In our society,
> money IS the 'energy' that drives the economy, business, consumption
> of resources, development, human endeavors of all kinds, and the
expenditure
> of that 'energy' is simply a demonstration of the ways a human being
> manifests a desire/dream into physical reality.
>
> The Earth's energy is wondrous! But rather than the energy of the Earth
> being 'green' only, it is 'brown' and 'green' and a vast array of other
> colors which display a rich diversity of frequency of thought and form.
> Just spend some time digging your hands into the good earth and the
> exuberant 'brown' energy of the soil will amaze you constantly. The
> 'green' comes from the 'brown' in the fullness of its unfoldment in form
> and image as the result of the fulfillment of the 'dream'. The Green
> Movement of the Environmentalists have coined the concept of 'green'
> and it sticks. I do often refer to the Earth as the Emerald of the
Universe
> using the symbolism of the color green as one of productivity, and as
> the story goes, that is one of the qualities that attracted the Orions
> and Sirians to use the natural resources of our planet in their trade
> routes intergalactically. The Earth is a little out of the ordinary
> transit pathways, by its location in the Milky Way, but these Beings
> found our minerals, especially our Gold, to be worth the trip. Their
> mining operations in South America are spoken of freely by those
indigenous
> peoples in that area. The point that Zachariah Sitchin makes about the
> Annunaki wanting our Gold to repair the damage done to their atmosphere
> from pollution...also gives further credence to their attraction to the
> productive resources here on our precious planet.
>
> Money as an 'object' is neutral. It is a resource that emanates from
> the Mind of Godman. And since you ask me directly, Christian, I want
> to reply: Yes, in an odd sort of way, I have, in fact, seen many examples
> of coins and notes with God's faces upon them. From my perspective,
> I see the Isness of God in All That Is, and thus - I see Godmen and
Godwomen
> with their likeness on coins and notes of the realm, both present and
> past. From shekels to denarius, from Lincoln pennies, to Benny
Bucks...humans
> have a habit of putting a face on their representations of 'property'.
> I favored the Buffalo nickel myself, and love the Statue of Liberty
> on the Million Dollar Bill from IAM made by my friend, Terry (although
> the Secret Service didn't like it much at first!), but most currencies
> around the world put faces of dignitaries and statemen on their paper
> to substantiate 'worth' and 'value' - but there is promise with the logo
> that the World Service Authority uses from Buckminster Fuller's design.
>
>
> Lastly, I don't see the use of paper and coin as a compromise...
> It actually makes the distribution and exchange process much more
practical
> and convenient for everyone who chooses to agree to use them.
> This practice evolved after the 'markets of the cheesemakers' in local
> communities sometimes made it impractical to haul your 'stuff' to the
> market and back everyday. Just hauling water was a major task. So to
> carry and trade light paper and small metal coins made logical sense.
>
> More later...
>
>
>
> "It is not, and should not be seen as 'raw green energy',
> the Earth is the only posessor of 'raw green energy' which we continue
> to burn and pillage and acrifice at the altar of 'money'
> Money is not neutral and is not one of Gods 'resources', it is an
> invented resource of man, God gave us all the tools and resources we
> need when he gave us the Earth.
> I havn't yet seen any coins or notes with God's picture on them, have
> you Lynn?
> By the exchange of tokens representing goods and services we bypass the
> human interaction which opens the door to love and compassion within
> us. So in my opinion, money is something we can do without, the sooner
> we realise this the better for all of us.
> This may seem like an extreme view, but from my mud hut :), where I'm
> standing it makes perfect sense. In the mean time we will and have to
> continue to use it and to compromise as we do throughout life, the
> practical compromise being minimisation of use."
>
>
> --
> Lynn Ferguson
> meridianhealth@... (/group/asc2k/post?postID=b3oO8PqfUK27DUew8W_isomgGcIgmfRkxqAGeo dKbw_1FeuC6ffN-AuOxNX1lQL0a-rS-5FIOMNGdLCc8v5NBHGY)
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Lynn Ferguson
07-18-2001, 11:45 AM
Mark, I know exactly how you feel. I grew up in a small town in Wyoming
and knew everyone, and we had a sense of 'community' that I have carried
with me my entire life still in awe of it's importance for me. I loved
that we could live and work together in a small town and everyone supported
everyone else (for the most part) with buying from each other's businesses
and being good friends and strong, loving families - nuclear and extended.


The de-humanizing approach to corporate employees and franchises still
stuns me. We make it a point to get to know some of the people and owners
of the businesses we frequent now - to keep alive that taste of our way
of building 'community', by spending time in the grocery store talking
to the manager and check-out clerks who we now know by name. It keeps
it 'real'. Management consultants for some corporate conglomerates are
helping them see the importance of going back to that original model
now...they see the value to their employees, to their workplace environment,
and to their bottom line. Invariably, some corporate boards of directors
will only care about profit and their decisions to move their quarters
to third world countries will continue; but at least some are at the
point where it is dawning on them that they must change and adopt a different
business model based upon sustainability.

Many of my business associates and friends have been grappling with this
dilemma for years. How do we encourage and support the transformation
of monetary and financial systems toward sustainability? We've been
educating people about barter and common law exchanges, UBOs, scrip,
the return to a gold-based monetary system, land patents, sustainable
land use and organic gardening practices, and other sovereign lifestyle
choices. It starts with a few caring individuals, and they connect with
others who have figured it out through experience as well, and they reach
more people who have similar insights and the willlingness to implement
these things in our lives. It takes a groundswell to make a little dent
in the social organizational structures that prevail in industrialized
societies, but it is worth it. I use e-gold and do exchanges with people
who know about these systems, most locally, a few internationally. It
takes a lot of dedication to live in both worlds simultaneously, while
making the 'Shift' to a more sustainable, practical, and intelligent
way of living that is in harmoney (spelling intentional) with my inner
state of being.

--
Lynn Ferguson
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Tarzan
10-21-2002, 04:11 AM
To Dodson~

I can see your points about Capitalism. The
frame of reference that we have are mostly of
systems that used DEBT as money, i.e., the
DEBT is issued by PRIVATELY-OWNED banks, who,
in turn, are owned by a very select few (the
'Illoonynaughties') who have brilliantly
succeeded in the last several centuries to
take full control of the issue of CREDIT
(which is the opposite side of the coin of
slavery/serfdom DEBT) to "governments"--all
of which are, in fact, CORPORATIONS and not
real governments of by and for the People.

So all the evils of capitalism are the evils
of privately-issued DEBT/CREDIT. Period.

About DW's pay-plan idea~

I fully support DW's desire to go the pay
route for this list. No one needs to be left
behind, as we can definitely use scholarships
to help those who cannot afford the pay
route. It is imperative that we use the
"evil" privately-issued money for more
awakening so that we can free ourselves from
not only economic bondage, but spiritual as
well, or at least strive towards that kind of
ideal, given that there's only so much time
left.

I suggest that donors for scholarships to be
personal as the needs arise. This can be
managed by the staff, who can compile a list
of willing donors to the scholarship cause (I
will like to sponsor one to start, more
later), then, as the scholarship needs arise,
to inform the receipients of the scholarships
that so-and-so has sponored their
scholarship. That way a donor can correspond
with a receipient, if both parties choose to
do so. Or a donor can choose whom to bestow a
scholarship. Or it can be done anonymously,
as one chooses. The point of this suggestion
is to make it personal so that a donor can be
pleased to have been in service to another
known being. Just one small suggestion.

Another suggestion is for DW to create a core
group of people donating a fixed amount of
money each month. The core group of donors
can choose a specific amount of money that
matches a specific harmonic number, i.e.,
$36, $72, $88, $144 per month. No extra
benefits/privileges need to go to the core
group--as each will likely be satisfied on
the STO basis alone. This way, with a core
group covering DW's basic monthly needs, can
free up DW to do more effective work for ALL
of us and not be restrained by economic
slavery.

I suggest that the core group support DW's
costs of living--any amount beyond his
minimum costs will be wisely used/utilized by
DW, I am certain; also, I suggest that the
list pay-plan to be used just for the website
and related expenses, so that at least a good
support staff can be retained and compensated
for their time invested in the management of
the website, including the moderation of the
list. This will take a big weight off DW's
shoulders and free up several hours a day for
more effective time utilization.

I will like to volunteer to be the initial
member of this core group to donate $144 a
month.

This way, with a core group of donors and a
pay-in support from the list, DW can do his
work more effectively. All of us spend a lot
of money on a lot of things, but, for the
sake of our shared Ascension/Awakening, I
can't think of a more effective use of money
than to send some to DW.

As more money flows in to DW, he will use the
resources wisely--I am very confident of
that. I have watched MANY individuals come
and go on the scene of the
consciousness-raising world and most have
fallen to the ego/STS trap. Whenever I see
someone making a splash on the world scene, I
fully expect them to fall into this trap, as
99 out of 100 do. Not David Wilcock. He has
fully earned my full confidence that he will
NEVER fall into the STS trap and will fully
serve the STO cause.

Therefore, I am willing to be the first core
group donor to the tune of $144/mo. Although
my cash flow tends to be sporadic, I can pull
this off as a way of at least helping DW make
much better use of his time. DW is the MVP
(Most Valuable Player) of our STO cause, so
let's really support the guy. Like football,
an MVP makes a team function better (witness
Marshall Faulk, the MVP of the St. Louis
Rams--my favorite NFL team since
'72--carrying the team from the hell of its
0-5 start...and the team is winning
finally...because the MVP has the ball most
of the time now), so it is imperative that
we, as a team of STO-aspiring people, to
fully support our MVP.

Let's give David Wilcock the ball--he won't
fumble.

Seth


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Tony P.
10-21-2002, 01:06 PM
The word debt caught my attention. Cause with unconditional love, you
don't expect something in return. But in society as it is now, there
just seems that there has to be an exchange. And eye for an eye, a
dollar for a loaf of bread, and so on.

--- In asc2k@y..., "Tarzan" <tarzan@n...> wrote:
> To Dodson~
>
> I can see your points about Capitalism. The
> frame of reference that we have are mostly of
> systems that used DEBT as money, i.e., the
> DEBT is issued by PRIVATELY-OWNED banks, who,

joelwedd@...
10-22-2002, 03:59 AM
I respect the work that DW is doing and have followed the message threads
with interest. This year, so far, I've donated over a thousand dollars to
spiritual workers. It is my belief that there is something special about
giving from the heart (as in spiritual service) and being provided for from
the metaphysical plane. I believe that when this work is done from the heart,
enough is given in return without asking. Because of that belief, I choose
not to give when I am asked. The simple words "donations accepted" are
adequate and I will give. Being asked for a specific dollar amount is against
my personal sense of what is heart-source spiritual work. I will be signing
off of this board. I do wish everyone light, love, luck and harmony.

Joel

Karen Brown
11-01-2002, 05:22 AM
"For me, the psychological paycheck is key. If you
dread getting up in the morning because you hate your
highly compensated job, you won't do good work and
that could lead to the loss of that job."

Is there such a think these days as highly
compensated? ;) I've been listening to alot of
stories lately, I ride the bus and talk to people that
I meet and over hear their conversations. So many in
the job market, so few jobs, there are those taking
huge pay cuts and or doing jobs they are way over
qualified for just to pay the rent. I'm one of those
at the moment.

I don't like the office "click" situation, even
though, I have never had a problem with getting "in"
and staying in. I just don't like how people act
towards others and although I tend to get along with
just about everyone, I don't agree on many of their
actions and motives. It's even there where I work
now, and once again, I'm in but hate the back
stabbing, two faced, gossipy environment.

Hence, I have taken the big leap of faith and am going
back to school (not suggesting school is what everyone
needs to do just the steps to create a work
environment and or income that you want) to do what
I've always wanted to do. I listened to the "you
can't do that", you're too old, too poor, you need an
8-5 job attached to a paycheck, self employment and
artsy stuff doesn't pay yadda yadda... etc..... I
don't care because I can no longer get up everyday and
dislike facing life because what I do is so stressful
(daycare) physically mentally, and emotionally and it
doesn't pay anything anyway. So, what am I really
risking. Perhaps still being poor but being happy?
I'll TAKE it! :)

I truly believe with the changes that will be taking
place, and the ones already in progress it's just a
matter of time when money won't mean diddly squat. I
try and concentrate and focus on inner joy rather than
something attached to money or "title". In the end in
can be taken or go in a heart beat. Inner peace is
something that can't be taken away, only if you allow
it.
JMHO,
Karen

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Jeremy Weiland
11-01-2002, 08:21 AM
> I don't like the office "click" situation, even
> though, I have never had a problem with getting "in"
> and staying in. I just don't like how people act
> towards others and although I tend to get along with
> just about everyone, I don't agree on many of their
> actions and motives. It's even there where I work
> now, and once again, I'm in but hate the back
> stabbing, two faced, gossipy environment.

It seems like the office situation is distressing to
some people. I can see where you're coming from - in
a lot of ways it's like high school with higher
stakes. I just ignore a lot of it - I do my job, I do
it well, and I look for advancement when it presents
itself but I don't desire it enough to really be mean
about it. A lot of office politics is nothing more
than cliques and feelings - drama queens attract drama
queens. It's only that paychecks are involved that
makes it interesting. One thing that I always found
works for me is to take nothing personally at work.
Just let everything work itself out - I think most of
the trouble people get into is when they get tie up
their identity too much in the profession or the
fruits thereof, and just get ambitious.

L/L

Jeremy

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karbrown77
11-01-2002, 08:52 AM
"One thing that I always found works for me is to take nothing
personally at work."

Jeremy,
Exactly! I try and remember it's a good lesson in being "in" the
situation, but not reacting to it. Letting stuff roll off my back
too. Whether it's good or bad, it's just drama so I don't react too
happily or too unhappily. As long as I'm "cool" with myself and
doing right then that's all that matters. Well, sorry I'm so long
winded today. It's cold and rainy and I just flat out don't want to
get up! I'm going to have to start limiting my posts like Tony LOL
Blessings to all on the first of November,
Karen :)