Peniel and David [Archive] - Divine Cosmos Discussions

Tiffani Boswell

06-22-2001, 12:44 PM

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>hello again,
>
>below i have copied what was a comment by david in feb. 2001
>i do this to ask a few questions...not to david (as the previous posts have made clear that he is very busy! :) but i had initially wondered what david's opinion of jon peniel was and his book the lost teachings of atlantis...after searching the archives this is the only quote i could findand itseems to give appreciation to jon's works...i have read alot of neale donalad walsch as well and believe peniel and walsch's work go very well together...
>
>but my question is first who is cathie? and what has she written?
>
>and if david's writings seem to agree with the below authors could i say that maybe david speaks from a more technical standpoint and neale and jon from a more esoteric (less technical) standpoint?
>
>and as not having read too much of david besides remember surfing the web many years ago and saw his picture and then just recently this whole thing has come up to my attention again (by no accident i am sure...as his face was still weirdly burned into my mind) but i am beginning to read his books as well and it seems a good introduction (which might help the person who posted earlier about the convergence being difficult to understand) walsch and peniel's basic concepts have been a good intro to getting into convergence...
>
>i appreciate any and all comments
>
>"your studies of my work, cathie, jon peniel and neale donald walsch have obviously paid richly in their dividends.
>
>i truly appreciate you and everyone else who makes my job easier so that i can
>continue to serve to my highest capacity.
>
>peace be with you -
>
>- david"
>

merkaba_@...

06-22-2001, 02:47 PM

david wrote:

i've just gotten a radiation shield for the monitor so i can stay longer
on the computer without my body giving out on me.
______________________________________

give me a break!!! john carlo

David Wilcock

06-22-2001, 04:26 PM

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>before someone else misrepresents what i might have said...and i really do have to get back to work so you can all read the finished product... :)
>
>semantics... i said "helpful," i didn't say "accurate." no offense here, just clarity! :)
>
>this is my opinion... and i'm a human being just like the rest of us, making my own decisions. i don't think that the author of clo/lta is the same john peniel thatappeared to bereferenced in the cayce readings as being a vitally important world server who would reincarnate at this time. around here in virginia beach there are scores of would-be john peniel's, and paul solomon was convinced he met the "real" one on a plane overseas in the 80's. 
>
>i have always had the feeling that the real meaning of "john peniel" was a hidden metaphor; not a person.john carlo would probably agree with me on this, given his previously stated opinions regarding hor matters and the mind. the pineal gland in the brain is related to the psychic function and john the beloved paved the way directly for jesus the christ, "the one-who-is-to-come" who would be "even better than he." so this is directly side by side with the idea of a messianic / christ consciousness return, happening in many people. the awakening of the pineal gland and / or the tapping into the john the beloved archetype (which according to seth is part of the group soul of the master jesus anyhow,) is the "hidden" meaning of that passage. in my opinion. just getting that far is a powerful step, even if the true (messianic) christ presence also indicated as returning in 1998 isn't made competely manifest in the individual, which would have more to do with the crown chakra and "intelligent infinity." 
>
>i also don't believe that jon p's shargung-la story is anything more than a re-adaptation of the fictional shangri-la account as seen in the original bestselling book in the early 20th century by, i think, james hilton. i just want to set that out there and remind everyone that my "net" is very tight when it comes to "revealed teachings." i always steer people back to cayce, seth and ra if they're interested in reading "channeled" material. keep it simple, fall back on time-tested sources. 
>
>for those who don't already know,jon p.asserts that a proto-atlantean culture survived somewhere in the himalayas; this man allegedly visited it, got their teachings, left and then it was nkd to a cinder by the chinese. there is no hard evidence to support this, other than a picture of an apparently emptyravine in the himalayas that some unrelated people found on a long hiking expedition. thus again, we're in the "subjective, not provable" category. and i've really tried not to delve into that any more than i need toin order to get the major points across. 
>
>bearing that in mind, i feel that this person is *predominantly* a positive-minded world server whose writings have been able to inspire many; you, tiffani,are obviously one of them. so go for it and keep reading! i am not going to discourage people from enjoying a book that they have already read and has meaning for them. i think that this person's writing is able to get people 'over the hump' who are starting out. i've heard some positive reviews of its spiritual message from those whose opinions i value. 
>
>my rapport with dennis holmes is a good one at present and i want it to stay that way. he's the one who i wrote that letter to. he was very upset at the time to have found out what my opinions were about clo/lta. i hadn't even written them to him because i didn't think it was important... my friend jan egil wanvik inadvertently threw me in the fire by copying my statements in a private email out to the group! no offense taken -jan and i remain good buddies. 
>
>walsch's material is also a good entry-level metaphysics for those who are starting out and want a general introduction to "new age" spirituality, in a similar sense as would be the james redfield books. i agree with a high percentage of what is in walsch's books, especiallyany concepts of the oneness of god,and have quibbled with some people in the past on a few points that are relatively minor. 
>
>details... someone did a talk at the fellowship, the local virginia beach metaphysical center which holds services on sunday mornings, and used walsch's teachings to promote what i felt was a rather lazy philosophy: "god doesn't want us to learn any lessons. all we are here to do is have experiences." this gets relatively close to ra's idea of the first distortion of the law of one being free will... but again it is a distortion of the law of one. the two main forces are love and wisdom (light), and both need to be balanced. new agers get totally hung up on the love and the wisdom is forgotten, which is typical for the fourth-density level of awareness as ra and the hindu vedas and many other sources defined it. it is that light which informs experience, hence you do learn lessons. but this is technique, not the heart of evolution, and god knows i've seen my words misrepresented. 
>
>there is a reason why i recommend people read "ra study guide" to "grok" the discussions in this group... :)
>
>lastly. bruce cathie is a grid engineer of some wonderful repute who dennis holmes also really enjoys. his version of the grid is a combination cube and octahedron, and is written up in sota in the chapter "the cathie grid." i highly value what he has done. 
>
>we're all part of a team and everyone has something to add. if someone finds my work having already studied and loved these sources, that's cool. much of walsch's work has given channeling a good positive shot in the arm by making it very entry-level and very personal. i do think he's doing his job well... it's just important to remember that he is 100% in the subjective category, as is all philosophical / religious / spiritual material, so it ultimately all comes back to free will. 
>
>i encourage people not to depend on the posts in this group as their main source of teaching. when i have the time in the future it will be much easier to search the archives.
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>back to work...
>
>peace be with you -
>
>- david
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>hello again,
>
>below i have copied what was a comment by david in feb. 2001
>i do this to ask a few questions...not to david (as the previous posts have made clear that he is very busy! :) but i had initially wondered what david's opinion of jon peniel was and his book the lost teachings of atlantis...after searching the archives this is the only quote i could findand itseems to give appreciation to jon's works...i have read alot of neale donalad walsch as well and believe peniel and walsch's work go very well together...
>
>but my question is first who is cathie? and what has she written?
>
>and if david's writings seem to agree with the below authors could i say that maybe david speaks from a more technical standpoint and neale and jon from a more esoteric (less technical) standpoint?
>
>and as not having read too much of david besides remember surfing the web many years ago and saw his picture and then just recently this whole thing has come up to my attention again (by no accident i am sure...as his face was still weirdly burned into my mind) but i am beginning to read his books as well and it seems a good introduction (which might help the person who posted earlier about the convergence being difficult to understand) walsch and peniel's basic concepts have been a good intro to getting into convergence...
>
>i appreciate any and all comments
>
>"your studies of my work, cathie, jon peniel and neale donald walsch have obviously paid richly in their dividends.
>
>i truly appreciate you and everyone else who makes my job easier so that i can
>continue to serve to my highest capacity.
>
>peace be with you -
>
>- david"
>

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PWeiland@...

06-23-2001, 06:44 AM

board,

i thought it was john the baptist that paved the way for jesus.
although i always heard the pineal gland is related to love and thus
with john the beloved and must be open/developed before the christ
consciousness can return. since the outside world is a reflection of
the inside world, are we to expect the return of some one who will be
totally christ conscious? if the literal translation of "jon pineal"
is "where i met god face to face" is true, then i would expect not
only for a totally christ conscious person to be incarnated, but also
many people on earth to be "awakened."

i have also seen a lot of quotes of the book of revelations on what
will happen at the shift, i thought cayce's interpretation of the
book of revelations is, it is mainly a book of kundalini (sp?) yoga.
thus it is describing what changes the body under goes when an
individual opens chakras. this then could be saying that all the
shift is doing is the same as an individual does when chakras are
opened. just another step in growth or a step back to unity with god.
is this implying that the earth has own set of chakras and has been
said on this board, " is a living being"?

does any one know if paul solomon said who it was, he met on a plane
that he thought was jon pineal? i always felt (but knew i was wrong)
that it was tara singh, but tara was aleady at the fil before paul
saw this individual. the reason i thought this is because the the
classical hindu experience tara had where the universe disappeared.
note, i do not know this first hand but is what i heard at the fil.

is the study guide for the ra materials on line any where?

looking forward to hearing y'all opinions,

paul