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merkaba_@...

06-21-2001, 03:08 PM

hello david,

i am not here to argue with you or give off a vibration of
negativity. i hope you are not reading me wrong here. if you are, then
please do not think in this fashion towards me. i have asked you a
couple of questions about the ancient grid system and so far you have
defended yourself with lengthy posts for no apparent reason. you need
not defend yourself to me sir, i am a good natured young italian guy who
just wants some answers from you. please reread my posts and my
questions and if you have the time, i would like to hear some of your
thoughts on these issues. am i asking to much here? i would think that a
man of your wisdom and insights would know all about the grid system
used by the atlanteans and it"s relation to crystal technology and the
hall of records. if cayce was alive today and i asked him these
questions, he would be able to get into very deep discussion with me and
reflect a lot of wisdom on these issues. i am still waiting for some
answers to my questions.

warm regards,
john carlo

Jeremy Weiland

06-21-2001, 07:01 PM

> i am not here to argue with you or give off a vibration of
>negativity. i hope you are not reading me wrong here. if you are, then
>please do not think in this fashion towards me. i have asked you a
>couple of questions about the ancient grid system and so far you have
>defended yourself with lengthy posts for no apparent reason. you need
>not defend yourself to me sir, i am a good natured young italian guy who

i don't think he was defending himself at all... nor was his post in
response to your post about the grid. i believe he was merely explaining
his opinion of the whole cayce thing... it's not often brought up on the
list after a whole year of activity (it may be the first time it's been
brought up). i think the point of his post was that you were looking for
him to back up his claims of being cayce or not, and he really doesn't want
to turn the discussion in that direction. it's not the purpose of his work.
if i'm putting words in your mouth david, let me know.

>just wants some answers from you. please reread my posts and my
>questions and if you have the time, i would like to hear some of your
>thoughts on these issues. am i asking to much here? i would think that a

you might be asking too much, actually. david is quite busy, and in
order to facilitate discussion on these issues, he created this list. that
way, we could all pool our insights into the material and learn it better
that way. it seems like you want to ask david direct questions. if this is
the case, you'd be better off writing him directly - although he may not be
able to give you a lengthy reply, especially when his stance on the grid is
outlined in both shift of the ages and convergence iii. feel free to open a
discussion about this to the list, but understand that david will not be
able to have a private discussion about this stuff with you.

>man of your wisdom and insights would know all about the grid system
>used by the atlanteans and it"s relation to crystal technology and the
>hall of records. if cayce was alive today and i asked him these
>questions, he would be able to get into very deep discussion with me and
>reflect a lot of wisdom on these issues. i am still waiting for some
>answers to my questions.

ignoring for a moment the fact that you couldn't have known cayce
personally, you're still expecting david to be edgar cayce... but he's not.
not now. he's david wilcock. it would probably be best for you to forget
about the whole cayce connection if it's such a stumbling block. in my
opinion, you shouldn't be interested in this material because david is the
reincarnation of cayce, but rather because of the strength of the material
itself. as david said, this is not going to be a repeat of the cayce
incarnation, and probably should not be expected to be such.
i can tell you that the cayce thing was the first thing that interested
me in david, but once i started looking at the material, i realized that the
work was more than just the cayce name... and my hope is that you will, too.
sorry if i'm coming across negatively, it just seems wierd when someone
comes on the list and starts demanding all this information and also only
seems concerned with talking with one person on the list.

take care,
jeremy weiland
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David Wilcock

06-21-2001, 08:25 PM

<table bgcolor="#ffffff">
><tt>hello david,
</tt>
><tt>... and group, :)</tt><tt>
>
i am not here to argue with you or give off a vibration of
negativity. i hope you are not reading me wrong here. if you are, then
please do not think in this fashion towards me.
>
>rules are established so that we may have a common forum that doesn't overtax me, not to point the finger at people being "positive" or "negative." cayce had very little knowledge of 5d wisdom teachings and was way over-corrected in the sense of 4d self-martyrdom. i do not have an open-door policy because it would literally kill me as it did before; the discussion group guidelines are enforced because i do not have the time to answer individual emails. 
>
>as it stands there are some 80-90 people waiting for readings, some of whom have been hanging on for more than six months,and scores of emails every week that remain unanswered. until ciii is finished i am not accepting clients and am relying solely on donations and income from the time of global shift multimedia seminar tour and other speaking engagements to live. since i just did another seminar things are relatively stable for the next month or so. my thanks goes out to those who have been helping, and you know who you are. (and no, it's not jeremy, friends, though he did send me some cool plates and tapes... thanks, man!and clark, the t-shirts rock... i wear the orange one all the time. anything in yellow? :)
>
>my book in progress still needs major attention and time before it is finished, at least another 3-4 weeks. almost every person who sends me an email includes their phone number, and i will very likely never call any of them. nothing personal; i would never have enough hours in the day even if that's all i ever did with my life. it's gone beyond "ridiculous" and into "impossible." so all i can do shrug my shoulders and remember that we are not actually "individuals" at all, and if my work reaches one it reaches all. so my books are available to everyone for just these types of queries.
>
>i have asked you a
couple of questions about the ancient grid system and so far you have
defended yourself with lengthy posts for no apparent reason.
>
>i think the reasons for my statements are very well stated in the discussion guidelines, and reiterated above! :) 
>
>i also type 75 words a minute, so 'lengthy' might mean a 10-15 minute job. the last two sentences were well under 60 seconds; i can type as fast as most people can talk. (another reason why i have a sharp speaking ability.) both sota and ciii have ample amounts of data on the grid. sota goes into more detail about the earth system and ciii shows how it is observed on other planets throughout the solar system through the work of pasichnyk.
>
>you need
not defend yourself to me sir, i am a good natured young italian guy who
just wants some answers from you.
>
>i'm sure you're just fine... really! this is not personal; as i said, i am above no one and below no one. my answering your letter in the first place was a gesture of respect. go back and see how many posts i don't answer, just due to the basic scientific fact of a lack of time! :) 
>
>please reread my posts and my
questions and if you have the time, i would like to hear some of your
thoughts on these issues. am i asking to much here? i would think that a
man of your wisdom and insights would know all about the grid system
used by the atlanteans and it"s relation to crystal technology and the
hall of records.
>
>of course i do. read convergence iii followed by shift of the ages so i don't have to redo work that i've already done to the best of my ability!then i'll be more inclined to answer additional questions.thousands of people have read these books, and the list members are often those who have done thehomework! :)
>
>if cayce was alive today and i asked him these
questions, he would be able to get into very deep discussion with me and
reflect a lot of wisdom on these issues. i am still waiting for some
answers to my questions.

>by the time cayce got popular, he had the equivalent of my email box scattered throughout his house; there were literally two-foot high bundled stacks of letters lining the walls all over his house that had never even been opened. many of them were reading requests with cash enclosed. young harmon bro, a staff member, actually was the first to open many of them.cayce died with hundreds of prepaid readings undone, almost bankrupting the family completely when they had to pay it all back. and here i am 28 years old and i'm right back in the same place again. at least i know that the work is getting where it needs to go. and this time i'm not dying...

>peace be with you -
>
>- david
>
>warm regards,
john carlo
</tt>

merkaba_@...

06-22-2001, 04:51 AM

you might be asking too much, actually. david is quite busy, and in
order to facilitate discussion on these issues,
______________________________________

david is not the only one who is busy. my wife and i are researchers at
giza and both carry full time jobs to boot. i am also writing a book. so
being busy is no excuse. david has an obligation to the masses to answer
questions becuase of his claims. john carlo

merkaba_@...

06-22-2001, 05:13 AM

david wrote:
and here i am 28 years old and i'm right back in the same place again.
at least i know that the work is getting where it needs to go. and this
time i'm not dying...
______________________________________
hello david,

you wrote a post yesterday and told me that being edgar cayce is
irrelevant and that i should talk more about your work. but it seems
that the clip you wrote above is talking about just this!!!! you sir,
think that you are edgar cayce incarnate. the above clip proves this.
now, david, lets be real. you may tell people to read your books and
there they can get the info they want, but this is your discussion
forum. you have a responsibility to back up your claims not only in your
books but also on an individual and private level on this forum. if you
think you have pressure now, can you imagine how much pressure you are
going to have if your material becomes mainstream? if you cannot handle
it now, how are you going to handle it in the future? you tell me not
tomake an issue about you being cayce, but yet you openly make powerful
hints that you think you are. is this ego talking or a 28 year old kid
bragging? or is this just pure dillussion on your part? you have made
claims to be edgar cayce. yes you are david wilcock now but you claim to
be the same soul as cayce incarnate. if i claimed to be jesus christ or
plato incarnate, would you except this as truth or would you also hit me
with questions to see if i am legite? put yourself in my shoes!! again,
you have a responsibility to express yourself on this forum and answer
questions. like i said before, this is a piece of cake. wait till you
really become mainstream!!! will you have a nervous break down?? john
carlo

madonnafra

06-22-2001, 05:49 AM

to all,
it is so difficult to stay on our own spiritual path let alone be responsible
for anyone else's. i learned long ago not to even attempt to convince
others that what i was finding to be truth would be theirs also.
occasionally our paths will merge and there will be a great feeling of joy in
that moment. for the most part these are personal journeys meant to be taken
solo. david is doing an immense service by sharing his knowledge and
discoveries with others. he is not obligated to do so nor is he responsible
for you and your truth. learn, absorb, share, and move on if this is not
your place to be.
blessings,
gayle

Aaron Elder

06-22-2001, 08:23 AM

dude u r just starting to be rude now. will you please take your oversized
ego somewhere else. david owes u nothing, what he does choose to do is just
that, his choice, and for u to start defining what he does and does not owe
u is incredible hubris. congratulations john carlo, you are the first person
on this group that i have considered putting on my block senders list since
i joined 7 months ago. this excerpt really gets me.

>if cayce was alive today and i asked him these
>questions, he would be able to get into very deep discussion with me and
>reflect a lot of wisdom on these issues. i am still waiting for some
>answers to my questions.

hello! clue phone, its for you john carlo. the above is one of those loaded
statements that i find particularly distasteful. david has already made
clear his position on questions directed solely at him on the public forum,
and his standing on having to "prove" himself. by saying things like "if u
were really cayce u would talk to me" makes everyone on this forum take u
much less seriously, and frankly i am getting tired of your
selfish/demanding/pestering emails filling my inbox. sorry if anyone thinks
i'm rude, but i think all of u can be too polite at times. :)
aaron

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subject: re: [asc2k] re-wilcock
date: fri, 22 jun 2001 07:51:52 -0400 (edt)

you might be asking too much, actually. david is quite busy, and in
order to facilitate discussion on these issues,
______________________________________

david is not the only one who is busy. my wife and i are researchers at
giza and both carry full time jobs to boot. i am also writing a book. so
being busy is no excuse. david has an obligation to the masses to answer
questions becuase of his claims. john carlo

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Tiffani Boswell

06-22-2001, 08:45 AM

hello...relatively new here....i am going to go through the old posts online
to see if most of my questions can be answered there....

could someone tell me what the cowan books are?
i am still reading convergence...slowly....

thanks
----- original message -----
from: "aaron elder" <karnisov@... (/group/asc2k/post?postid=xulb6tu-3fk-oh4zsdb0kvk3c3hbtp8uialmjgaatbckgoj4u7x3rapzc1ypkf lvumdf7zmhjdm4ajiw-a)>
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sent: june 22, 2001 10:23 am
subject: re: [asc2k] re-wilcock

> dude u r just starting to be rude now. will you please take your oversized
> ego somewhere else. david owes u nothing, what he does choose to do is
just
> that, his choice, and for u to start defining what he does and does not
owe
> u is incredible hubris. congratulations john carlo, you are the first
person
> on this group that i have considered putting on my block senders list
since
> i joined 7 months ago. this excerpt really gets me.
>
> >if cayce was alive today and i asked him these
> >questions, he would be able to get into very deep discussion with me and
> >reflect a lot of wisdom on these issues. i am still waiting for some
> >answers to my questions.
>
> hello! clue phone, its for you john carlo. the above is one of those
loaded
> statements that i find particularly distasteful. david has already made
> clear his position on questions directed solely at him on the public
forum,
> and his standing on having to "prove" himself. by saying things like "if u
> were really cayce u would talk to me" makes everyone on this forum take u
> much less seriously, and frankly i am getting tired of your
> selfish/demanding/pestering emails filling my inbox. sorry if anyone
thinks
> i'm rude, but i think all of u can be too polite at times. :)
> aaron
>
>
> ----original message follows----
> from: merkaba_@... (/group/asc2k/post?postid=nnrfkuh-xi3h3-mhm6b3wy5rtftzt5_0magohi3r082jqgft5-i-gg4iztyexifl0egznsglddeeykvzpq)
> reply-to: asc2k@yahoogroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postid=_v75nchcd5fgfwujq7fgux2ud0b_a0dxc_j9xc atdf_ckvn0aft1qrwwtvmsixz5sq0d1zmku8u2tn8-)
> to: asc2k@yahoogroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postid=_v75nchcd5fgfwujq7fgux2ud0b_a0dxc_j9xc atdf_ckvn0aft1qrwwtvmsixz5sq0d1zmku8u2tn8-)
> subject: re: [asc2k] re-wilcock
> date: fri, 22 jun 2001 07:51:52 -0400 (edt)
>
> you might be asking too much, actually. david is quite busy, and in
> order to facilitate discussion on these issues,
> ______________________________________
>
> david is not the only one who is busy. my wife and i are researchers at
> giza and both carry full time jobs to boot. i am also writing a book. so
> being busy is no excuse. david has an obligation to the masses to answer
> questions becuase of his claims. john carlo
>
>
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dreskir

06-22-2001, 09:25 AM

well, i for one am not in the least busy. i am not writing a book,
and i am not fighting the government in egypt, so......... ill be
more than happy to but in here. maybe what both parties could do
here is start over.

with politness and respect, from one person to another, i think jc is
just saying......
hey im important, so prove to me you are edgar cayce. ive got alot
of questions for you and since you can suppsedly channell ra, hook me
up the answers to all my questions and do it now. in trade, i will
gove you resepct and adulation, and i will believe you..........

david, is saying, yeah ive made statments in regard to me that im the
reincarrnation of edagar....so what, what do you want? answers to
questions, or some sort of proof of this? i dont have time to proove
to every new list member who i am, and although i rspect your
importance, you are no more important than everyone else. being the
incarnation of edgar is not a big deal to me, but, at the same time,
it is an important part of my life that i would be foolish to ignore,
and it will occationally come up in conversations regarding my life,
so you must accept this and not use it as a means to attack me.

ok, you guys can take over from here.....

--- in asc2k@y..., "aaron elder" <karnisov@h...> wrote:
> dude u r just starting to be rude now. will you please take your
oversized
> ego somewhere else. david owes u nothing, what he does choose to do
is just
> that, his choice, and for u to start defining what he does and does
not owe
> u is incredible hubris. congratulations john carlo, you are the
first person
> on this group that i have considered putting on my block senders
list since
> i joined 7 months ago. this excerpt really gets me.
>
> >if cayce was alive today and i asked him these
> >questions, he would be able to get into very deep discussion with
me and
> >reflect a lot of wisdom on these issues. i am still waiting for
some
> >answers to my questions.
>
> hello! clue phone, its for you john carlo. the above is one of
those loaded
> statements that i find particularly distasteful. david has already
made
> clear his position on questions directed solely at him on the
public forum,
> and his standing on having to "prove" himself. by saying things
like "if u
> were really cayce u would talk to me" makes everyone on this forum
take u
> much less seriously, and frankly i am getting tired of your
> selfish/demanding/pestering emails filling my inbox. sorry if
anyone thinks
> i'm rude, but i think all of u can be too polite at times. :)
> aaron
>
>
> ----original message follows----
> from: merkaba_@w...
> reply-to: asc2k@y...
> to: asc2k@y...
> subject: re: [asc2k] re-wilcock
> date: fri, 22 jun 2001 07:51:52 -0400 (edt)
>
> you might be asking too much, actually. david is quite busy, and in
> order to facilitate discussion on these issues,
> ______________________________________
>
> david is not the only one who is busy. my wife and i are
researchers at
> giza and both carry full time jobs to boot. i am also writing a
book. so
> being busy is no excuse. david has an obligation to the masses to
answer
> questions becuase of his claims. john carlo
>
>
> __________________________________________________ _______________
> get your free download of msn explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

Jeremy''s mail

06-23-2001, 09:36 AM

>>david has an obligation to the masses to answer
>>questions becuase of his claims. john carlo

i think this really sums it up. david *has* no obligation to you or any
of the "masses." it's called free will.
why is it so important to talk directly to david? there's plenty of
other people here who can help you with the information. like i said, it
may be helpful to forget all about the cayce thing, as in this case it seems
like a real obstacle to grasping the heart of david's message. and that, of
course, is the last thing we want.

later,
jeremy

Jeremy''s mail

06-23-2001, 09:48 AM

lol

more translations of list repartee as events warrant.

rock on, bjorn!

later,
jeremy

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date: friday, june 22, 2001 12:27 pm
subject: [asc2k] re: re-wilcock

well, i for one am not in the least busy. i am not writing a book,
and i am not fighting the government in egypt, so......... ill be
more than happy to but in here. maybe what both parties could do
here is start over.

with politness and respect, from one person to another, i think jc is
just saying......
hey im important, so prove to me you are edgar cayce. ive got alot
of questions for you and since you can suppsedly channell ra, hook me
up the answers to all my questions and do it now. in trade, i will
gove you resepct and adulation, and i will believe you..........

david, is saying, yeah ive made statments in regard to me that im the
reincarrnation of edagar....so what, what do you want? answers to
questions, or some sort of proof of this? i dont have time to proove
to every new list member who i am, and although i rspect your
importance, you are no more important than everyone else. being the
incarnation of edgar is not a big deal to me, but, at the same time,
it is an important part of my life that i would be foolish to ignore,
and it will occationally come up in conversations regarding my life,
so you must accept this and not use it as a means to attack me.

ok, you guys can take over from here.....

--- in asc2k@y..., "aaron elder" <karnisov@h...> wrote:
> dude u r just starting to be rude now. will you please take your
oversized
> ego somewhere else. david owes u nothing, what he does choose to do
is just
> that, his choice, and for u to start defining what he does and does
not owe
> u is incredible hubris. congratulations john carlo, you are the
first person
> on this group that i have considered putting on my block senders
list since
> i joined 7 months ago. this excerpt really gets me.
>
> >if cayce was alive today and i asked him these
> >questions, he would be able to get into very deep discussion with
me and
> >reflect a lot of wisdom on these issues. i am still waiting for
some
> >answers to my questions.
>
> hello! clue phone, its for you john carlo. the above is one of
those loaded
> statements that i find particularly distasteful. david has already
made
> clear his position on questions directed solely at him on the
public forum,
> and his standing on having to "prove" himself. by saying things
like "if u
> were really cayce u would talk to me" makes everyone on this forum
take u
> much less seriously, and frankly i am getting tired of your
> selfish/demanding/pestering emails filling my inbox. sorry if
anyone thinks
> i'm rude, but i think all of u can be too polite at times. :)
> aaron
>
>
> ----original message follows----
> from: merkaba_@w...
> reply-to: asc2k@y...
> to: asc2k@y...
> subject: re: [asc2k] re-wilcock
> date: fri, 22 jun 2001 07:51:52 -0400 (edt)
>
> you might be asking too much, actually. david is quite busy, and in
> order to facilitate discussion on these issues,
> ______________________________________
>
> david is not the only one who is busy. my wife and i are
researchers at
> giza and both carry full time jobs to boot. i am also writing a
book. so
> being busy is no excuse. david has an obligation to the masses to
answer
> questions becuase of his claims. john carlo
>
>
> __________________________________________________ _______________
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sol72us

07-25-2002, 02:40 PM

--- in asc2k@y..., gs5555@a... wrote:
> to all,
> it is so difficult to stay on our own
> spiritual path let alone be responsible
> for anyone else's. i learned long ago
> not to even attempt to convince
> others that what i was finding to be
> truth would be theirs also.
> occasionally our paths will merge and
> there will be a great feeling of joy in
> that moment. for the most part these
> are personal journeys meant to be taken
> solo. david is doing an immense service
> by sharing his knowledge and discoveries
> with others. he is not obligated to do
> so nor is he responsible for you and your
> truth. learn, absorb, share, and move on
> if this is not your place to be.
> blessings,
> gayle

one of my favorite posts, made in june '01.
it's amazing how a pure soul can radiate.
thanks gayle,
pat

madonnafra

07-26-2002, 02:52 AM

hi pat,
boy, i can't even begin to remember all the words that i have posted in
various groups. it was good to reread them and understand again that i can't
be responsible for how people respond to the messages. it has been a
difficult week and i have felt very discouraged.
thankyou for your kinds words.
love and protective blessings,
gayle

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