perfection

[joelwedd@...]

In a message dated 10/4/2002 7:28:25 AM Pacific Standard Time,
phdaley@... (/group/asc2k/post?postID=Sn32uC4HPcO3QIJcqBhYbdpu0ZSUKwjDv9yrB_ shA6TnYCfXsDBuswEjqa_dZMSCkob2desH86q0CJuJ) writes:


> Everything is evolving and therefore imperfect

Excuse me while I jump in for a moment. You make a lot of sense. In my
imaginings and gleanings, what is imperfect is changing...undergoing
flux...either evolving or devolving. It is transient, impermanent and
therefore illusory. What is perfect does not change and never has or ever
will...permanent, eternal , formless and still. And here we have it...another
example of the rational mind trying to approach infinity. Let's never give up
on that!

Joel


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[peter henry daley]

Dear April,
Your question is most suitable for this Forum.
My theory is, that there is no such thing as perfection in the
manifest universe. Everything is evolving and therefore imperfect.
The True Perfection only exists in the Abstract, or if you prefer,
The Mind of God. The elite of the Cathars in mediaeval France
called themselves the Perfects, a hubris which may have contributed
to their destruction.
The Masters of Saturn are referred to as Perfects, and how this
fits in with my theory I do not know, but I suspect this to be the
acme of evolution possible in the planets of this solar system,
and not to be considered absolute. Perfection cannot exist in a
system of continuous change which relates to Time.
Regards the idea of perfectly symmetrical solids, and
anything requiring measurement, can only be "perfectly" accurate in
the approximate terms of so many places of decimals.
The universe is in a state of Controlled Chaos. It is,
therefore, not yet perfect. When, and if, that happens it disappears
into abstraction, and creation starts allover again.

Peter (phdaley@... (/group/asc2k/post?postID=CTlbxmsl7aHtg3t4jTf6f852FPtAw2v1GwuS-U8JEn4b9ndlhXZXplIBV96YaOHrd87q04ns2XTR2o4))
URL (www.users.bigpond.com/phdaley)

[Tony P.]

Can perfect things create imperfect things or would that be a
paradox? Cause if all was perfect in the beginning before time, where
no change is occuring, than how could it create imperfection?

--- In asc2k@y..., joelwedd@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 10/4/2002 7:28:25 AM Pacific Standard Time,
> phdaley@b... writes:
>
>
> > Everything is evolving and therefore imperfect
>
> Excuse me while I jump in for a moment. You make a lot of sense. In
my
> imaginings and gleanings, what is imperfect is
changing...undergoing
> flux...either evolving or devolving. It is transient, impermanent
and
> therefore illusory. What is perfect does not change and never has
or ever
> will...permanent, eternal , formless and still. And here we have
it...another
> example of the rational mind trying to approach infinity. Let's
never give up
> on that!
>
> Joel
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Erik Strasser]

Well said and in a way another rational mind that tries to approach infinity.
But infinity has nothing to do with evolving nor with being perfect i think.
They are the illusions that make Infinity work.
It exists because God (the infinite one, being perfect) cannot be perfect
without "free-will".
Free-will upon manyness, while being One (it all) is infinity.. (imho).

Perhaps Evolution is nothing more and nothing less than an illusion, spawned by
the One who has infinite counsiousness, to explore manyness and thus INFINITY.
As a matter of fact, we are supposed to give our life back to our higher self,
none of us will exist after this life! This life will be intergraded to ALL who
can connect, including your own higher Self. In OTHER words: ITS SOMETHING ELSE
THAT NEEDS YOU TO KNOW THIS.
Its this awareness among others that opens! Its a DISIRE, for it states: I will
be God, I want to be God, I AM. And so you are!
And untill you make the choice of accepting any ascension (you can refuse) you
will extend Gods infinity.
Gods plan is based upon ANY entity will come back. But by free-will we can deny.
And this PROFOUND distortion "free-will" is thus INFINITY. For none of us can
deny to be God for infinity. Ahhh well thats the thought, if not some of you or
others will defeat God in its own game and will BECOME the new One. :-)

And how about this one:
The Infinite One, who became aware and is! Is Not aware of other "infinite" Ones
who has the same illusion. But it "thinks" not.! :)
(paradox is solved.)

Btw, this line of reasoning clears the distortion of STS and STO. STS is less
illusion for God is One and by evolution it learnes who it is.
The lesser entities are ants, both ways. But the distortion "love" makes all
entities Unite eventualy and so "love" is the light that makes God so powerfull
that none of its children will escape? Thats not fee-will. :-)
And this hyperdimensional illusion will create new octaves of the same One.
Those that wants separation absolute will separate. Remember, the Infinite One
is an illusion and yet a fact. :)

Ill be the third trying to approach it, alla Satan who knows God will RULE :)
ALL is an illusion, even when your back to One..

Erik.

In a message dated 10/4/2002 7:28:25 AM Pacific Standard Time,
phdaley@... (/group/asc2k/post?postID=ESp4osGLVGblC2KZYFCO-cM8PU-IKnfqDRjYkcENxbfzLkZ9VOn_xBl4ZuckPWKBKEqyRrT2tKZw) writes:

> Everything is evolving and therefore imperfect

Excuse me while I jump in for a moment. You make a lot of sense. In my
imaginings and gleanings, what is imperfect is changing...undergoing
flux...either evolving or devolving. It is transient, impermanent and
therefore illusory. What is perfect does not change and never has or ever
will...permanent, eternal , formless and still. And here we have it...another
example of the rational mind trying to approach infinity. Let's never give up
on that!

Joel




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[sol72us]

--- In asc2k@y..., "Tony P." <doomstars@y...> wrote:
> Can perfect things create imperfect things or would
> that be a paradox?

Maybe there are some words that label things and the
meaning of those words depends on the context that
they are used in. Generalizations are perfect examples
of this.

> Cause if all was perfect in the
> beginning before time, where no change is occuring,
> than how could it create imperfection?

The only constant is change, (another perfect example.)

[joelwedd@...]

My interpretation and I think it is consistent with RA is that anything that
can be said to be perfect is in truth not, because Unity is beyond being a
thing and also beyond words..."perfect" is a word, and words are on a lower
level of understanding. Even in 4D there are no words. Seems to me we are
way, way far away from being able to discuss what is perfect, and that
everything to our cognition must therefore be imperfect.

Joel

[joelwedd@...]

In a message dated 10/5/2002 2:43:52 PM Pacific Standard Time,
e.strasser@... (/group/asc2k/post?postID=YQ_W1L5yGnc7Midi7-L4Lf-TImbEvGqolRTnHXxhwJOnpiCEN5vv0m04S0qKned48L5TTF58G Dz8dBI) writes:


> Those that wants separation absolute will separate. Remember, the Infinite
> One is an illusion and yet a fact. :)
>
The thought that it is the Creator experiencing itself (said repeatedly by
RA) comes to mind. Those that want separation are illusory manifestations of
the Creator, and (also according to RA) ARE the Creator. That is consistent
with the Creator being the illusion as well as real.

As for Infinity, the concept that I hold from meditating about it for several
years (concepts are also not completely true) is that the deepest meaning is
the "infinity of potential" - RA describes it as "potentiate infinity." This
seems to imply that in the deepest sense of infinity nothing has even
arisen...it is pre-manifest...all of this, this whole Universe doesn't exist
in this moment and this moment is not in time or space but in silent
awareness. And, it never changes. I believe that this is the direction that
RA is trying to point us toward.

Joel


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[peter henry daley]

You can call it another paradox. The Noumenal World holds all and everything
in Abstraction, or in other words the Mind of God. From thence comes
Creation by the Will and Intent of That which is before Mind. I don't
pretend to understand it, you might just as well try to understand The
Trinity.
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> Can perfect things create imperfect things or would that be a
> paradox? Cause if all was perfect in the beginning before time, where
> no change is occuring, than how could it create imperfection?
>
> --- In asc2k@y..., joelwedd@a... wrote:
> > In a message dated 10/4/2002 7:28:25 AM Pacific Standard Time,
> > phdaley@b... writes:
> >
> >
> > > Everything is evolving and therefore imperfect
> >
> > Excuse me while I jump in for a moment. You make a lot of sense. In
> my
> > imaginings and gleanings, what is imperfect is
> changing...undergoing
> > flux...either evolving or devolving. It is transient, impermanent
> and
> > therefore illusory. What is perfect does not change and never has
> or ever
> > will...permanent, eternal , formless and still. And here we have
> it...another
> > example of the rational mind trying to approach infinity. Let's
> never give up
> > on that!
> >
> > Joel
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
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[Light Eye]

Dear Friends,

If I asked 10 of you to describe perfection I would most probably receive 10
different answers. Perfection is different for each and every one of us. We base
perfection on our belief systems. Perfection is, however, right in front of us.
It is the Beauty and Love that surrounds each and every one of us. Now I can't
help any of you to see this Beauty or to feel this Love, but I can tell you that
there is this incredibly benevolent loving force all around us. Sometimes this
"perfection" is quite sublte, and we may miss it if we're no careful, other
times it is quite obvious. The problem is that there are so many of us who do
not have, for lack of a better word, the necessary synergy. Many of us do things
that benefit self instead of doing things that benefit the sum of the whole.
That's why there's so much negativity around us. That's why we "miss" it.

So what am I talking about? I'll give a few examples of the Beauty and Love -
the perfection I see.

Look closley at the sunsets the next several days. The colours are amazing
aren't they?

For those of you who have children. I watch my 2 year old daughter gallop and
smile and talk while I'm sitting on the sofa. She's not interacting with me at
all. Just having the time of her life. I think to myself "Imagine that I have
created something so Wonderful and my Heart fills with Joy and Love."

I sit down and listen to the sea with my eyes closed and my Heart open.

At my summer cottage where there is no "light" pollution I look up into the
Heavens and see the millions of stars. I Know that Everything is related.

At work, one of the handicapped pasients comes. They refuse help except for that
which they know they can't do and even then I often see that they will "try" to
do it themselves. I see the the determination and will power that many of us
lack.

I walk in the forest and see all the beautiful things there and I enjoy the
silence.

I could go one and one...

Perfection is there, right in front of you. It's just waiting...

Love and Light.

David



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