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merkaba_@...

06-20-2001, 05:05 AM

hello david wilcock,

i have heard a lot about you over the years and i am starting to gain
some interest. i have not determined in my mind's eye yet if you are
actually legite or not about your claims being a reincarnate of edgar
cayce, but i do keep an open mind. my wife and i are hall of record
researchers and have been to egypt 4 times studying and looking into
possible cover up by the egyptian authorities in regards to the hor and
underground installations at the plateau. my wife mariola and i are also
very open to the universe and have studied metaphysics for most of our
lives.

we are here to learn more about you and to ask you questions to see
if we can make our own conclusions about your claims. our web site is:

http://www.angelfire.com/ky/astral/index.html

we are very dedicated in the opening of the hor and we are very much
involved, physically as well as spiritually. you will be hearing from
us on this forum.

warm regards,
john & mariola carlo

David Wilcock

06-20-2001, 08:46 AM

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>yes, i remember you from way back when i first got started in 98... larry hunter was the first known personality in the field to approach me regarding my work, and at that time i did peruse your website and information, and we had some brief back-and-forth discussion, i believe. 
>
>regarding a "possible cover up by the egyptian authorities in regards to the hor and underground installations at the plateau," scratch the word "possible." honestly the forces are securely in place there, and if they had any feeling that you would genuinely succeed in this, you would already be dead or seriously compromised. with massive funding and covert lethal and nonlethal weapons they will keep the secrets... physically. this was not seen at the time that cayce did the readings. i highly doubt it will change. 
>
>i'll stop short of saying it's a naive effort... i'd love to go to giza myself... but it would take extremely substantial funding and a public action campaign that simply would not happen, due to media suppression. look at how quicklydr. greer'sdisclosure project died, regardless of the public awareness of the ufo phenomenon. at our seminar in boulder more than half of our metaphysically-informed audience didn't even know what it was. so, to dedicate oneself to the physical goal of this opening would be a continual frustration. 
>
>if anything like an "opening" is to happen, it will likely be correlated with such severe earth changes (raising of atlantis landmass, etc.) that at that point, there'd be no social structure to disseminate the data anyway. when the structure around the hall crumbles it will be easily entered... but in that crumbling you have lost society, and i am told that at this point the first wave of the shift will have already occurred. i really think this will be more akin to a resource for those who have already gone through the shift. and that would explain the timing with 1998, which cayce saw as the earliest possible date that people could make the jump. so it is likely that those who visit the hall were never intended to be in physical bodies anyway... that's why it wasn't slated any earlier than 1998. you need to think outside the "box" to see these connections.
>
>this next one goes to everybody: we all have to fight against "messiah complex" and remember that we are part of a team effort; no one is asking us to "save the world" by ourselves. just do our part. no one person is ever going to make a very big splash on a planet that essentially still resists most spiritual teaching above entry-level "feel good, curiosity feeding" material. remember ra's quote that says, "we encourage a dispassionate sharing of information, without concern for numbers or quick growth... there is no virtue in the counting [for the oneness resides within each person.]" they also said that if even one person graduates as a result of their effort, then they have done their job. what a concept. 
>
>so based on that, more and more i am realizing that we really are a human energy field more than individuals with bodies, and those with the light can best serve the planet in a vibrational sense... this is never really going to be something that comes out in the outrageously controlled media outlets. our best ministry is a vibrational one, where we stay "online" for planetary healing by remaining in a state of love and wisdom. we are like field potentials in the human energy field that encircles this globe, and by pursuing our own enlightenment we are helping others and helping the earth. this may never involve publicity or personal contacts of any form. work like what i have produced is simply designed to make others more effective at doing this, through initiation into mystery followed by revelation of truth. 
>
>the opening of the hall of records, as i understand it, will not likely happen in the physical sense prior to the shift itself. a reading that i had back in late 97 / early 98 severely criticized the are for not publicizing their data more openly regarding the hor, because negative forces had since secured control of the area, through people like hawass. the time to have changed this has passed. the masonic order, in its higher echelons distorted towards the negative path, is the most powerful physical force in the world.
>
>so i think it is important to realize exactly what my readings said: the deepest manifestation of the hall of records is in theconsciousness change that happens to humanity as the truths of the universe are uncovered. one example: i don't think that anyone else (in fact i know) has ever published data regarding the harmonic repetition of cycles of time in history, but it's right here:
>
>http://ascension2000.com/fm-ch06.htm
>
>this is just one example out of many that have come about from my work... examples that are now being realized on art bell, on a multimedia seminar tour, and in a rigorously detailed book that is now coming to completion. i'm not interested in blind repetition of information that you'll find in most books and paranormal websites, i've always been about pushing the envelope into uncharted territory and then clearly blazing a trail behind myself. and it's all free, so no one can accuse me of profiteering from any of this. donations / tithes to my work are entirely up to the free will of its readers. i do believe that in the long run my books will be seen as a profound breakthrough in this field, but that is unlikely to be recognized while we still reside in third-density.
>
>"we are here to learn more about you and to ask you questions to see if we can make our own conclusions about your claims."
>
>if you want to know me, know my work. those are the only claims i concern myself with. questions about my data are welcomed, but honestly i am absolutely uninterested in trying to "prove" to anyone who i may or may not have been in the past, and have never been told by the higher self that i am obligated to do so. i am above no one and below no one, and hencei see this as only having a passing relevance to the work that i am now involved with. outside of the quality of the work itself, the facial similarity and incredible exactness of the astrological lineup makes any further inquiriesor q&a irrelevant. if you have your doubts, that's fine; just move on to what i've done and don't worry about who i was or wasn't. you'll find more than you need in shift of the ages and convergence iii to give you an overview of the "big picture."
>
>sorry to have a wave of "negatives," but i must also state that lastly our forum etiquette is to not address me personally... after all we have something close to 200 people on this list. "david and group" is acceptable, otherwise just contact me at david@ascension2000.com. the reason why i say this is not to be rude, but to remind you that these letters arrive in many people's inboxes and we have worked very hard to try to foster group discussion where people talk to each other. i've got too much work to complete on the new book to be the filter through which all inquiries and conversations pass. and you'll find that many members can help in your understanding of this complex body of work and its philosophical implications.
>
>thank you for contacting us and i applaud you for your ongoing dedication to your cause. i hope that you will find the asc2k material as useful as have the others. it is definitely a long-term study. in the meantime feel free to post questions to the group regarding these materials.
>
>peace be with you -
>
>- david
>
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<tt>hello david wilcock,

i have heard a lot about you over the years and i am starting to gain
some interest. i have not determined in my mind's eye yet if you are
actually legite or not about your claims being a reincarnate of edgar
cayce, but i do keep an open mind. my wife and i are hall of record
researchers and have been to egypt 4 times studying and looking into
possible cover up by the egyptian authorities in regards to the hor and
underground installations at the plateau. my wife mariola and i are also
very open to the universe and have studied metaphysics for most of our
lives.

we are here to learn more about you and to ask you questions to see
if we can make our own conclusions about your claims. our web site is:

http://www.angelfire.com/ky/astral/index.html

we are very dedicated in the opening of the hor and we are very much
involved, physically as well as spiritually. you will be hearing from
us on this forum.

warm regards,
john & mariola carlo

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merkaba_@...

06-20-2001, 03:05 PM

hello david,

thanks for the reply. a rather long one i may add, but nevertheless, you
had the decency to respond to me.

yes, i also believe that negative forces are in place under the
sands of giza. my wife and i believe that the only way they could have
gotten under there was by way of israel and an underground tunnel that
stretches from mt sinai, under the red sea to cairo. what better way for
the united states to gain access to the duat and the hor then from help
from their allies in the region.

i also feel that the hor is not something physical at all, but
rather incorporated with the ancient science of the human brain and
endocrine system and the electromagnetic ancient grid system.
meditation is the key to unlock the hall of records and everybody on
this planet has access to it if they only go within and find the time to
be at peace. the pineal gland of the brain is the doorway for all higher
vibrations to enter this realm of the material and the hor is
specifically harmonically tuned with this gland in the center of the
forehead.

the pyramids of giza are a layout of the human brain and the nile
river is the spinal column with each complex along her representing a
chakra or gland. menkuare represents the medulla, chephren represents
the cerebellum, and cheops represents the cerebrum or cheribum holding
the pineal gland ( kings chamber) and pituitary gland (queens chamber).
it is all set up to mimick what happens to the human body and brain
during the meditative state. this is the key david. consider this a free
bee.

the hor is directly connected to the dna of our bodies and ascension
has to do with connecting the matrix with the higher vibrations and this
is done with meditation. the entire planet is surrounded by ethereal
crystals that form a power grid. dolphins and whales have been
protecting these crystals for over 10,000 years. listen to the calls of
the dolphins and whales david, for these sounds are the harmonic
mantras that you need during meditation to enter the hor. these
crystals were set up especially for this time period and they are
attuned to our dna. the hor is not physical at all my dear david
wilcock. until we speak again.

john carlo

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>yes, i remember you from way back when i first got started in 98... larry hunter was the first known personality in the field to approach me regarding my work, and at that time i did peruse your website and information, and we had some brief back-and-forth discussion, i believe. 
>
>regarding a "possible cover up by the egyptian authorities in regards to the hor and underground installations at the plateau," scratch the word "possible." honestly the forces are securely in place there, and if they had any feeling that you would genuinely succeed in this, you would already be dead or seriously compromised. with massive funding and covert lethal and nonlethal weapons they will keep the secrets... physically. this was not seen at the time that cayce did the readings. i highly doubt it will change. 
>
>i'll stop short of saying it's a naive effort... i'd love to go to giza myself... but it would take extremely substantial funding and a public action campaign that simply would not happen, due to media suppression. look at how quicklydr. greer'sdisclosure project died, regardless of the public awareness of the ufo phenomenon. at our seminar in boulder more than half of our metaphysically-informed audience didn't even know what it was. so, to dedicate oneself to the physical goal of this opening would be a continual frustration. 
>
>if anything like an "opening" is to happen, it will likely be correlated with such severe earth changes (raising of atlantis landmass, etc.) that at that point, there'd be no social structure to disseminate the data anyway. when the structure around the hall crumbles it will be easily entered... but in that crumbling you have lost society, and i am told that at this point the first wave of the shift will have already occurred. i really think this will be more akin to a resource for those who have already gone through the shift. and that would explain the timing with 1998, which cayce saw as the earliest possible date that people could make the jump. so it is likely that those who visit the hall were never intended to be in physical bodies anyway... that's why it wasn't slated any earlier than 1998. you need to think outside the "box" to see these connections.
>
>this next one goes to everybody: we all have to fight against "messiah complex" and remember that we are part of a team effort; no one is asking us to "save the world" by ourselves. just do our part. no one person is ever going to make a very big splash on a planet that essentially still resists most spiritual teaching above entry-level "feel good, curiosity feeding" material. remember ra's quote that says, "we encourage a dispassionate sharing of information, without concern for numbers or quick growth... there is no virtue in the counting [for the oneness resides within each person.]" they also said that if even one person graduates as a result of their effort, then they have done their job. what a concept. 
>
>so based on that, more and more i am realizing that we really are a human energy field more than individuals with bodies, and those with the light can best serve the planet in a vibrational sense... this is never really going to be something that comes out in the outrageously controlled media outlets. our best ministry is a vibrational one, where we stay "online" for planetary healing by remaining in a state of love and wisdom. we are like field potentials in the human energy field that encircles this globe, and by pursuing our own enlightenment we are helping others and helping the earth. this may never involve publicity or personal contacts of any form. work like what i have produced is simply designed to make others more effective at doing this, through initiation into mystery followed by revelation of truth. 
>
>the opening of the hall of records, as i understand it, will not likely happen in the physical sense prior to the shift itself. a reading that i had back in late 97 / early 98 severely criticized the are for not publicizing their data more openly regarding the hor, because negative forces had since secured control of the area, through people like hawass. the time to have changed this has passed. the masonic order, in its higher echelons distorted towards the negative path, is the most powerful physical force in the world.
>
>so i think it is important to realize exactly what my readings said: the deepest manifestation of the hall of records is in theconsciousness change that happens to humanity as the truths of the universe are uncovered. one example: i don't think that anyone else (in fact i know) has ever published data regarding the harmonic repetition of cycles of time in history, but it's right here:
>
>http://ascension2000.com/fm-ch06.htm
>
>this is just one example out of many that have come about from my work... examples that are now being realized on art bell, on a multimedia seminar tour, and in a rigorously detailed book that is now coming to completion. i'm not interested in blind repetition of information that you'll find in most books and paranormal websites, i've always been about pushing the envelope into uncharted territory and then clearly blazing a trail behind myself. and it's all free, so no one can accuse me of profiteering from any of this. donations / tithes to my work are entirely up to the free will of its readers. i do believe that in the long run my books will be seen as a profound breakthrough in this field, but that is unlikely to be recognized while we still reside in third-density.
>
>"we are here to learn more about you and to ask you questions to see if we can make our own conclusions about your claims."
>
>if you want to know me, know my work. those are the only claims i concern myself with. questions about my data are welcomed, but honestly i am absolutely uninterested in trying to "prove" to anyone who i may or may not have been in the past, and have never been told by the higher self that i am obligated to do so. i am above no one and below no one, and hencei see this as only having a passing relevance to the work that i am now involved with. outside of the quality of the work itself, the facial similarity and incredible exactness of the astrological lineup makes any further inquiriesor q&a irrelevant. if you have your doubts, that's fine; just move on to what i've done and don't worry about who i was or wasn't. you'll find more than you need in shift of the ages and convergence iii to give you an overview of the "big picture."
>
>sorry to have a wave of "negatives," but i must also state that lastly our forum etiquette is to not address me personally... after all we have something close to 200 people on this list. "david and group" is acceptable, otherwise just contact me at david@ascension2000.com. the reason why i say this is not to be rude, but to remind you that these letters arrive in many people's inboxes and we have worked very hard to try to foster group discussion where people talk to each other. i've got too much work to complete on the new book to be the filter through which all inquiries and conversations pass. and you'll find that many members can help in your understanding of this complex body of work and its philosophical implications.
>
>thank you for contacting us and i applaud you for your ongoing dedication to your cause. i hope that you will find the asc2k material as useful as have the others. it is definitely a long-term study. in the meantime feel free to post questions to the group regarding these materials.
>
>peace be with you -
>
>- david
>
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style="font: 10pt arial">----- original message -----
style="background: #e4e4e4; font: 10pt arial; font-color: black">from: merkaba_@webtv.net
style="font: 10pt arial">to: asc2k@yahoogroups.com
style="font: 10pt arial">sent: wednesday, june 20, 2001 8:05 am
style="font: 10pt arial">subject: [asc2k] greetings
>
<tt>hello david wilcock,

i have heard a lot about you over the years and i am starting to gain
some interest. i have not determined in my mind's eye yet if you are
actually legite or not about your claims being a reincarnate of edgar
cayce, but i do keep an open mind. my wife and i are hall of record
researchers and have been to egypt 4 times studying and looking into
possible cover up by the egyptian authorities in regards to the hor and
underground installations at the plateau. my wife mariola and i are also
very open to the universe and have studied metaphysics for most of our
lives.

we are here to learn more about you and to ask you questions to see
if we can make our own conclusions about your claims. our web site is:

http://www.angelfire.com/ky/astral/index.html

we are very dedicated in the opening of the hor and we are very much
involved, physically as well as spiritually. you will be hearing from
us on this forum.

warm regards,
john & mariola carlo

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tarzan@...

07-31-2001, 08:19 PM

greetings souls,

this is seth, a new member of this neat list.

i have been reading david's site for some time now and, needless to
say, it's outta site(sight...a pun)! the convergence of david's
information neatly tied in my metaphysical foundations of the seth
books and the vedic texts; the addition of the ra material was a
completion of support materials for me.

i have read hundreds of books in the last twelve years of my growth
in this field of transformations of souls and have come to understand
that the seth books and the vedic texts were amongst the best of
written materials and i am amazed to have missed the law of one
series, though i have, from time to time, read small excerpts from
the texts. i did search for the law of one series for a long time,
yet have not found any copies yet. if anyone knows of spare copies,
i surely will be glad to pay for them, shipping included. gotta have
them books!

for the last few days, i have read nearly all of the e-mails that
this list generated, so am familiar with some of the growth, trials
and triumphs of this list. dw certainly is carrying a hell, er
heaven, of a load, but worthwhile one for him as well as all of us.
we are truly blessed to have him on board on this wonderful, but
badly damaged, home we call gaia. i have exchanged a few small e-
mails with david, but have refrained from sending too many e-mails,
as i had sensed that he surely must be loaded to the max with e-
mails, on top of all his work on his convergent gifts of knowledge
for all of us. i first heard of david's site from a spiritweb site
list.

i have been on this planet for a long time and this time around, have
focused on dealing with karmic issues around my near-deafness, with
its resultant depression(an energy carried over from a previous
lifetime), along with all the karmic repercussions from both of those
conditions. i am in the midst of healing my depression with an
unusual diet, so will make a report only after i have gone a distance
with it. so far the diet is working extremely well, better than any
that i have tried yet. right now, i am serving gaia by doing
forestry work and do love it. i have innovated several new ways of
working with the forests, restoring them to fully natural conditions,
with fully revealed beauties of trees, brushes, etc showing.

i was also very sensitive to the level of damage inflicted on the
planet, plus the stress/damage that the power/control "gvrnmts"
forced upon the people, so these effects added to the level of
depressional stress for me. i really wanted for a long time to check
out, but somehow have refrained from doing so. now i have chosen to
stay and bring in as much light as i can for myself and others, but
starting with myself first. there is much for me to forgive.

i am excited about life and sure as heaven look forward to the full
completion of the shift; well, i sure hope that i do "make the grade"
for the 4th dimension, as i have long dreamed/desired to have a world
in which compassion, not profit, is the bottom-line.

peace,

seth

earthwoman

08-01-2001, 08:04 AM

greetings all,

i too, extend warm greetings to all on this list. i've been lurking for
some time now, and for now, i feel that is appropriate for me.

i would like to however, comment on the seth material, and more
specifically the one who channeled this work.

let me first say, that i have not read any of the seth books.....just
never felt pulled to do so. i wonder if most are aware of the toll
channeling
all those books took, on the health of the channeller. to me, it simply
wasn't worth it. her body gave out, and this was too high a price to pay.
when will those who are channeling learn there is another way?

peace and light to all,
gitpu

Hamish Gunn

08-01-2001, 01:11 PM

hello and welocme.

i've just finished reading "speaking of jane roberts" by susan
watkins. this is a memoir by a close friend. i've also read "the way
toward health" by seth/jane amongst many other of thei books.

jane herself, jane's husband rob and susan attribute jane's decline to
her inability to overcome her beliefs with respect to her mother. (her
mother died also of the same autoimmune disease.)

you actually point to one of the reasons for your lack of realisation
of this in your post.
>let me first say, that i have not read any of the seth books

while it may of course be true that channeling _for some people_ is
exhausting (e.g. edgar cayce) in jane's case it was not. (in fact she
writes that having sex before a session made for better sessions!)

hamish
__________________________________________________ ________
aspirant metaphysicist, imagineer, realitician, outsider

earthwoman

08-01-2001, 03:40 PM

greetings hamish,

my experience with this matter may be a little different than most.

in my comunity, traditional healers are constantly being sought out by
channelers who have been "tampered with", (which is putting it mildly)
with serious consequences. why they run to indian people is a mystery for
chanelling is not our way. the experience i was told of with jane, was
explained by someone "close" to this matter.

i have witnessed the affects channeling can have. it's not pretty, and
people need to be cautious in my opinion.

in peace,
gitpu

David Wilcock

08-01-2001, 09:07 PM

<table bgcolor="#ffffff">
><tt>>i have witnessed the affects channeling can have. it's not pretty, and
people need to be cautious in my opinion.
</tt>
><tt>i couldn't agree more, gitpu. it all seems to be so neat and new and cool and fun for people, but they don't realize the exceptional amount of personal integrity that is involved to keep yourself clear in the process. it is serious business, and it's actually better for someone to stay asleep in this case rather than be prematurely brought into the fold. </tt>
><tt></tt>
><tt>all too often i have seen cases where people have 100% confidence in everything that they say in their channeling, while not realizing how the conscious mind and / or negative forces distort their information. at first the distortions start easily enough, but they grow and grow as the psychic attack increases in its success. and of course, ra enunciates exactly how these attacks work their way in - any subtle ways in which people follow the negative path of control and manipulation of others can invite negative channeling to come through without your conscious awareness.</tt>
><tt></tt>
><tt>case in point, a woman here locally at the fellowship of the inner light church was into the "angel board," which is exactly the same as a ouija board only done up with blue clouds and so forth. she had gotten so far waylaid by negative forces that i ended up doing an emergency reading for her... something had to come through with a level of authority that could override the mass complex of distortions that had gotten built up from her asking so many ego-based questions and not having the integrity required to seek. </tt>
><tt></tt>
><tt>i'm definitely qualified to say that i know that it's real. i recommend that people do the dream voice technique far more than any form of channeling. in the dream voice technique you're purposefully looking for any sentence fragments that you hear upon awakening, without paying any attention to the content of the words, just boringly listening and recording the data verbatim, with no alterations or deletions whatsoever. this includes the lyrics of any song you hear, the details of any fleeting visual images and the words of any voices you hear. this is the same core principle as remote viewing. and my own readings made it clear that if you're not in a state of pure god consciousness and joy, you're not ready to do the process.</tt>
><tt></tt>
><tt>for every wannabe channeler there are twenty more potential dreamers. just record the data that comes through - make a commitment - don't expect to understand what they are or why they're happening. in the early stages you may only "get something" from every fourth or fifth dream in the batch and think that the rest "don't make sense," but later on you'll get it. one of the greatest breakthroughs of my entire dreaming career was realizing that any dream about music wasn't actually talking about my work with music, even though that's what the dreams were about - it was discussing my spiritual career, the music of the spheres. once i finally, finally found that "key," i could go back through six years (at that time) worth of data and decipher all sorts of dreams that hadn't made any sense.</tt>
><tt></tt>
><tt>peace be with you - </tt>
><tt>-david</tt><tt></tt>
><tt></tt>

Tiffani Boswell

08-02-2001, 08:21 AM

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>thanks again david...
>
>hey jeremy do you have any links where david talks about this "dream voice technique" sounds like a great way to begin to decipher the rest of the dreams...
>
>tiffani
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><tt>>i have witnessed the affects channeling can have. it's not pretty, and
people need to be cautious in my opinion.
</tt>
><tt>i couldn't agree more, gitpu. it all seems to be so neat and new and cool and fun for people, but they don't realize the exceptional amount of personal integrity that is involved to keep yourself clear in the process. it is serious business, and it's actually better for someone to stay asleep in this case rather than be prematurely brought into the fold. </tt>
><tt></tt>
><tt>all too often i have seen cases where people have 100% confidence in everything that they say in their channeling, while not realizing how the conscious mind and / or negative forces distort their information. at first the distortions start easily enough, but they grow and grow as the psychic attack increases in its success. and of course, ra enunciates exactly how these attacks work their way in - any subtle ways in which people follow the negative path of control and manipulation of others can invite negative channeling to come through without your conscious awareness.</tt>
><tt></tt>
><tt>case in point, a woman here locally at the fellowship of the inner light church was into the "angel board," which is exactly the same as a ouija board only done up with blue clouds and so forth. she had gotten so far waylaid by negative forces that i ended up doing an emergency reading for her... something had to come through with a level of authority that could override the mass complex of distortions that had gotten built up from her asking so many ego-based questions and not having the integrity required to seek. </tt>
><tt></tt>
><tt>i'm definitely qualified to say that i know that it's real. i recommend that people do the dream voice technique far more than any form of channeling. in the dream voice technique you're purposefully looking for any sentence fragments that you hear upon awakening, without paying any attention to the content of the words, just boringly listening and recording the data verbatim, with no alterations or deletions whatsoever. this includes the lyrics of any song you hear, the details of any fleeting visual images and the words of any voices you hear. this is the same core principle as remote viewing. and my own readings made it clear that if you're not in a state of pure god consciousness and joy, you're not ready to do the process.</tt>
><tt></tt>
><tt>for every wannabe channeler there are twenty more potential dreamers. just record the data that comes through - make a commitment - don't expect to understand what they are or why they're happening. in the early stages you may only "get something" from every fourth or fifth dream in the batch and think that the rest "don't make sense," but later on you'll get it. one of the greatest breakthroughs of my entire dreaming career was realizing that any dream about music wasn't actually talking about my work with music, even though that's what the dreams were about - it was discussing my spiritual career, the music of the spheres. once i finally, finally found that "key," i could go back through six years (at that time) worth of data and decipher all sorts of dreams that hadn't made any sense.</tt>
><tt></tt>
><tt>peace be with you - </tt>
><tt>-david</tt><tt></tt>
><tt></tt>
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rodj

08-03-2001, 01:25 AM

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>hi david and those enthusiasticfor this search,
>
>i heartily agree with the difficult conditions around channeled messages. though i include them in my search i almost never resound to channels that might deal with my own personal incarnation. however, i believe that every method of self realizing is open to ego distortion. that includes dreams. i have found that meditation and only certain levels of meditation are reasonably safe places for the mind toexist in in the process of determining the veracity of knowledge with respects to the self incarnation.
>
>though wondrous and useful the ego (false personality) is insidious.
>
>deebokonon
>.
>
<blockquote>
align="left" class="outlookmessageheader" dir="ltr">-----original message-----
from: david wilcock [mailto:djw333@exis.net]
sent: wednesday, august 01, 2001 9:08 pm
to: asc2k@yahoogroups.com
subject: re: [asc2k] greetings


><tt>>i have witnessed the affects channeling can have. it's not pretty, and
people need to be cautious in my opinion.
</tt>
><tt>i couldn't agree more, gitpu. it all seems to be so neat and new and cool and fun for people, but they don't realize the exceptional amount of personal integrity that is involved to keep yourself clear in the process. it is serious business, and it's actually better for someone to stay asleep in this case rather than be prematurely brought into the fold. </tt>
><tt></tt>
><tt>all too often i have seen cases where people have 100% confidence in everything that they say in their channeling, while not realizing how the conscious mind and / or negative forces distort their information. at first the distortions start easily enough, but they grow and grow as the psychic attack increases in its success. and of course, ra enunciates exactly how these attacks work their way in - any subtle ways in which people follow the negative path of control and manipulation of others can invite negative channeling to come through without your conscious awareness.</tt>
><tt></tt>
><tt>case in point, a woman here locally at the fellowship of the inner light church was into the "angel board," which is exactly the same as a ouija board only done up with blue clouds and so forth. she had gotten so far waylaid by negative forces that i ended up doing an emergency reading for her... something had to come through with a level of authority that could override the mass complex of distortions that had gotten built up from her asking so many ego-based questions and not having the integrity required to seek. </tt>
><tt></tt>
><tt>i'm definitely qualified to say that i know that it's real. i recommend that people do the dream voice technique far more than any form of channeling. in the dream voice technique you're purposefully looking for any sentence fragments that you hear upon awakening, without paying any attention to the content of the words, just boringly listening and recording the data verbatim, with no alterations or deletions whatsoever. this includes the lyrics of any song you hear, the details of any fleeting visual images and the words of any voices you hear. this is the same core principle as remote viewing. and my own readings made it clear that if you're not in a state of pure god consciousness and joy, you're not ready to do the process.</tt>
><tt></tt>
><tt>for every wannabe channeler there are twenty more potential dreamers. just record the data that comes through - make a commitment - don't expect to understand what they are or why they're happening. in the early stages you may only "get something" from every fourth or fifth dream in the batch and think that the rest "don't make sense," but later on you'll get it. one of the greatest breakthroughs of my entire dreaming career was realizing that any dream about music wasn't actually talking about my work with music, even though that's what the dreams were about - it was discussing my spiritual career, the music of the spheres. once i finally, finally found that "key," i could go back through six years (at that time) worth of data and decipher all sorts of dreams that hadn't made any sense.</tt>
><tt></tt>
><tt>peace be with you - </tt>
><tt>-david</tt><tt></tt>
><tt></tt>
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Jeremy Weiland

08-03-2001, 12:40 PM

hey rod:

any suggestions for reaching this certain level of meditation?

thanks,

jeremy
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sent: friday, august 03, 2001 4:25 am
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> hi david and those enthusiastic for this search,
>
> i heartily agree with the difficult conditions around channeled messages.
> though i include them in my search i almost never resound to channels that
> might deal with my own personal incarnation. however, i believe that every
> method of self realizing is open to ego distortion. that includes dreams.
i
> have found that meditation and only certain levels of meditation are
> reasonably safe places for the mind to exist in in the process of
> determining the veracity of knowledge with respects to the self
incarnation.
>
> though wondrous and useful the ego (false personality) is insidious.
>
> deebokonon
> .
>
> -----original message-----
> from: david wilcock [mailto:djw333@... (/group/asc2k/post?postid=rkyrhbaqlerut5jwm8oj_kgue0tt8hu9v1nycr 7ebbmt6hcgces3jps0-k0wrstc993nulw)]
> sent: wednesday, august 01, 2001 9:08 pm
> to: asc2k@yahoogroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postid=p2eagpwpsmdfa4dfbxosm736dmhys_gswkl8n6 7bqji_ycxecbsdxst5btntfuo-92mrjwonxklliz3l_a)
> subject: re: [asc2k] greetings
>
>
> >i have witnessed the affects channeling can have. it's not pretty, and
> people need to be cautious in my opinion.
>
> i couldn't agree more, gitpu. it all seems to be so neat and new and
cool
> and fun for people, but they don't realize the exceptional amount of
> personal integrity that is involved to keep yourself clear in the process.
> it is serious business, and it's actually better for someone to stay
asleep
> in this case rather than be prematurely brought into the fold.
>
> all too often i have seen cases where people have 100% confidence in
> everything that they say in their channeling, while not realizing how the
> conscious mind and / or negative forces distort their information. at
first
> the distortions start easily enough, but they grow and grow as the psychic
> attack increases in its success. and of course, ra enunciates exactly how
> these attacks work their way in - any subtle ways in which people follow
the
> negative path of control and manipulation of others can invite negative
> channeling to come through without your conscious awareness.
>
> case in point, a woman here locally at the fellowship of the inner light
> church was into the "angel board," which is exactly the same as a ouija
> board only done up with blue clouds and so forth. she had gotten so far
> waylaid by negative forces that i ended up doing an emergency reading for
> her... something had to come through with a level of authority that could
> override the mass complex of distortions that had gotten built up from her
> asking so many ego-based questions and not having the integrity required
to
> seek.
>
> i'm definitely qualified to say that i know that it's real. i recommend
> that people do the dream voice technique far more than any form of
> channeling. in the dream voice technique you're purposefully looking for
any
> sentence fragments that you hear upon awakening, without paying any
> attention to the content of the words, just boringly listening and
recording
> the data verbatim, with no alterations or deletions whatsoever. this
> includes the lyrics of any song you hear, the details of any fleeting
visual
> images and the words of any voices you hear. this is the same core
principle
> as remote viewing. and my own readings made it clear that if you're not in
a
> state of pure god consciousness and joy, you're not ready to do the
process.
>
> for every wannabe channeler there are twenty more potential dreamers.
just
> record the data that comes through - make a commitment - don't expect to
> understand what they are or why they're happening. in the early stages you
> may only "get something" from every fourth or fifth dream in the batch and
> think that the rest "don't make sense," but later on you'll get it. one of
> the greatest breakthroughs of my entire dreaming career was realizing that
> any dream about music wasn't actually talking about my work with music,
even
> though that's what the dreams were about - it was discussing my spiritual
> career, the music of the spheres. once i finally, finally found that
"key,"
> i could go back through six years (at that time) worth of data and
decipher
> all sorts of dreams that hadn't made any sense.
>
> peace be with you -
> -david
>
>
> to unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
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>
>
>
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Hamish Gunn

08-11-2001, 02:01 PM

hi there - i was interested in your comment:

you (tarzan@... (/group/asc2k/post?postid=utuaghpiu6wywfrm5xsa4x_al64guk0ku7ttcm usi1n1jhvo6vvf4n8jtprqlyfnazrmpkrvwn6o)) wrote:

>
> i have been on this planet for a long time and this time around, have
> focused on dealing with karmic issues around my near-deafness, with
> its resultant depression(an energy carried over from a previous
> lifetime), along with all the karmic repercussions from both of those
> conditions.
i think it might help you to re-read seth's comments on karma and
reincarnation (try the nature of personal reality).

in brief he dismisses "karmic" causes mainly i understand from the
reason that time is simultaneous outside the physical. i don't
profess to understand all this but like you i've been reading seth for
several years. i've moved away from karma. like you i'm trying to
reconcile health problems but my view is that they are caused by
preconditions set up by me "prior" to this incarnation or caused by
poor thinking in this incarnation.

do re-read tnopr though, or skim it or look in the index for karma.

hamish
__________________________________________________ ________
aspirant metaphysicist, imagineer, realitician, outsider

mesago

04-03-2002, 05:20 AM

good morning everyone *waves* im new.. name is mesago.. just a
wanderer passing through..

id like to get a feel for what yall are interested in.. as far as my
beliefs go, im fully absorbed into learning about the human energy
system.. or just energy in general.. from the earth.. below.. and
from the universe.. above..

lately, ive come across information on the pineal gland.. its a
little bugger! connects your physical self to the higher states of
consciousness.. as well as many other fuctions for aging, sex,
dreams.. does anyone have any ideas how to re-activate the pineal
gland or bring it in harmonic vibration with your pituitary gland??

also, what does everyone think about the latest news in the middle
east?? bethlehem is now a battle ground!! i think its horrible.. do
these events not stem from military roots?! i know its more than
that.. but.. how can one stand for peace when you might get run over
by a tank!! *shaking head*

peace and love,
mesago

Crasher2ooo@...

04-04-2002, 12:26 AM

hi mesago... welcome to the group!

> id like to get a feel for what yall are interested in
...

the main discussion topic here on this list is to to with a set of channeled books called 'the law of one material'... however, the members that make up this list are from such varying walks of life that we end up discussing anything and everything to do with enlightenment and/or unity... stick to these two general areas and you wont go far wrong.

> does anyone have any ideas how to re-activate the pineal gland or bring it in

> harmonic vibration with your pituitary gland??

heres a quote by ra from 'the law of one material'... if you havent come across this material before this should be a nice little taster for you!

inner eye or pineal gland chakra - indigo-ray.

ra: the indigo ray is opened only through considerable discipline and practice largely having to do with acceptance of self, not only as the polarized and balanced self but as the creator, as an entity of infinite worth. this will begin to activate the indigo ray.

ra: the indigo-ray energy center is fed, as are all energy centers, by experience - but far more than the others it is fed by what we have called the disciplines of the personality.

ra: the indigo ray is the ray of awareness of the creator as self. thus one whose indigo ray vibrations have been activated can offer the energy transfer of creator to creator.

ra: the indigo ray, though precious, is that ray worked upon only by the adept, as you would call it. it is the gateway to intelligent infinity bringing intelligent energy through. this is the energy center in those teachings considered hidden and occult, for this ray is that which is infinite in possibilities. those who heal, teach and work for the creator in any way which may be seen to be as balanced are those of the indigo ray.

ra: those blocked in this (indigo-ray) center may experience a lessening of the influx of intelligent energy due to manifestations which appear as unworthinessãƒâƒã‚âƒãƒâ‚ã‚âƒãƒâƒã‚â‚ãƒâ‚ã‚âƒãƒâƒã‚ âƒãƒâ‚ã‚â‚ãƒâƒã‚â‚ãƒâ‚ã‚âƒãƒâƒã‚âƒãƒâ‚ã‚âƒãƒâƒã‚â‚ ãƒâ‚ã‚â‚ãƒâƒã‚âƒãƒâ‚ã‚â‚ãƒâƒã‚â‚ãƒâ‚ã‚â¢?ãƒâƒã‚âƒã ƒâ‚ã‚âƒãƒâƒã‚â‚ãƒâ‚ã‚âƒãƒâƒã‚âƒãƒâ‚ã‚â‚ãƒâƒã‚â‚ãƒâ ‚ã‚â‚ãƒâƒã‚âƒãƒâ‚ã‚âƒãƒâƒã‚â‚ãƒâ‚ã‚â‚ãƒâƒã‚âƒãƒâ‚ã ‚â‚ãƒâƒã‚â‚ãƒâ‚ã‚â¦ the indigo ray balancing is quite central to the type of work which revolves about the spirit complex, which has its influx then into the transformation or transmutation of third density to fourth density, it being the energy center receiving the least distorted outpourings of love/light from intelligent energy and also the potential for the key to the gateway of intelligent infinity.

hope there's some info in there that can help you, if you havent come across the ra material before it can be quite hard to intergrate... i suggest following the links on www.ascension2000.com web site to get access to the full study guide. 

> also, what does everyone think about the latest news in the middle

> east?? bethlehem is now a battle ground!! i think its horrible..

yes i agree... the events unfolding in the middle east do seem horrible, and we've all seen the attrocious images of conflict from the media... however we also have to view these events from a 7d perspective where we can see the sacramental nature in all things. all these events are happening for a reason with a divine purpose behind them. if you can understand that all the people caught up in the conflict will have pre-incarnatively agreed to their destiny and the wars that are developing at the minute are exactly what humanity needs to 'wake up' and change our ways following up to our progression into 4d reality... when you can understand things from this perspective then it is easier to retract yourself from these events.

> how can one stand for peace when you might get run over by a tank!!

> *shaking head*

funny you should say this... ill re-post a quote i made a couple of days ago from ra.

changing society.

ra: those most active in attempting to remake or alter the society are those working from feelings of being correct personally or of having answers which will put power in a more correct configuration. these interactions most often concentrate upon the 2nd and 3rd energy centers. there are some few whose desires to aid society are of a green ray nature or above. these entities, however, are few due to the understanding of 4th ray that universal love freely given is more to be desired than principles or even the rearrangement of peoples or political structures.

i hope i have gave you a few insights here... and maybe nudged you towards reading through the ra material... hope to hear more from you mesago!

robin.

Tiffani Boswell

04-04-2002, 07:53 AM

ãƒâƒã‚âƒãƒâ‚ã‚âƒãƒâƒã‚â‚ãƒâ‚ã‚âƒãƒâƒã‚âƒãƒâ‚ã‚â‚ãƒ âƒã‚â‚ãƒâ‚ã‚âƒãƒâƒã‚âƒãƒâ‚ã‚âƒãƒâƒã‚â‚ãƒâ‚ã‚â‚ãƒâƒ ã‚âƒãƒâ‚ã‚â‚ãƒâƒã‚â‚ãƒâ‚ã‚â¯ãƒâƒã‚âƒãƒâ‚ã‚âƒãƒâƒã‚ â‚ãƒâ‚ã‚âƒãƒâƒã‚âƒãƒâ‚ã‚â‚ãƒâƒã‚â‚ãƒâ‚ã‚â‚ãƒâƒã‚âƒ ãƒâ‚ã‚âƒãƒâƒã‚â‚ãƒâ‚ã‚â‚ãƒâƒã‚âƒãƒâ‚ã‚â‚ãƒâƒã‚â‚ãƒ â‚ã‚â»ãƒâƒã‚âƒãƒâ‚ã‚âƒãƒâƒã‚â‚ãƒâ‚ã‚âƒãƒâƒã‚âƒãƒâ‚ ã‚â‚ãƒâƒã‚â‚ãƒâ‚ã‚â‚ãƒâƒã‚âƒãƒâ‚ã‚âƒãƒâƒã‚â‚ãƒâ‚ã‚ â‚ãƒâƒã‚âƒãƒâ‚ã‚â‚ãƒâƒã‚â‚ãƒâ‚ã‚â¿
<table bgcolor="#ffffff">
>thanks robin for all the ra quotes...always good to get us backon track...i also have a quote...but i have been reading universal vision the last few nights by scott mandelker and after the since the new guy (hi!!!) was asking i just "coincidentally" read this passage:
>
>ra says:
>higher self can program only for lessons and certain predisposing limitations if it wishes...the remainder is comletely the free choice of each entity, a perfect balance between the known and the unknown..."
>
>(scott says) "to contact this inner being, we have to open "the proper pathways trhough the roots of the mind." in other words, we must activate what ra calls teh spirit-complex or gateway, which is an energy field between higher mind and monad (higher self), between personality and the transpersonal. in physical terms, this is the relationship between the pituitary and pineal glands in the brain. the key to such bridge-building is meditation - not because of its moral value, but because it is the most efficient method of activatin the sixth chakra (the forehead or brow center), which in turn activates the seventh center and develops the needed energy fields in the head. this creates access to cosmic mind and power."
>
>wow huh....
>love you guys
>tifani
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style="font: 10pt arial">sent: thursday, april 04, 2002 7:26 am
style="font: 10pt arial">subject: re: [asc2k] greetings
>
hi mesago... welcome to the group!

> id like to get a feel for what yall are interested in ...

the main discussion topic here on this list is to to with a set of channeled books called 'the law of one material'... however, the members that make up this list are from such varying walks of life that we end up discussing anything and everything to do with enlightenment and/or unity... stick to these two general areas and you wont go far wrong.

> does anyone have any ideas how to re-activate the pineal gland or bring it in
> harmonic vibration with your pituitary gland??

heres a quote by ra from 'the law of one material'... if you havent come across this material before this should be a nice little taster for you!

inner eye or pineal gland chakra - indigo-ray.

ra: the indigo ray is opened only through considerable discipline and practice largely having to do with acceptance of self, not only as the polarized and balanced self but as the creator, as an entity of infinite worth. this will begin to activate the indigo ray.

ra: the indigo-ray energy center is fed, as are all energy centers, by experience - but far more than the others it is fed by what we have called the disciplines of the personality.

ra: the indigo ray is the ray of awareness of the creator as self. thus one whose indigo ray vibrations have been activated can offer the energy transfer of creator to creator.

ra: the indigo ray, though precious, is that ray worked upon only by the adept, as you would call it. it is the gateway to intelligent infinity bringing intelligent energy through. this is the energy center in those teachings considered hidden and occult, for this ray is that which is infinite in possibilities. those who heal, teach and work for the creator in any way which may be seen to be as balanced are those of the indigo ray.

ra: those blocked in this (indigo-ray) center may experience a lessening of the influx of intelligent energy due to manifestations which appear as unworthinessãƒâƒã‚âƒãƒâ‚ã‚âƒãƒâƒã‚â‚ãƒâ‚ã‚âƒãƒâƒã‚ âƒãƒâ‚ã‚â‚ãƒâƒã‚â‚ãƒâ‚ã‚âƒãƒâƒã‚âƒãƒâ‚ã‚âƒãƒâƒã‚â‚ ãƒâ‚ã‚â‚ãƒâƒã‚âƒãƒâ‚ã‚â‚ãƒâƒã‚â‚ãƒâ‚ã‚â¢?ãƒâƒã‚âƒã ƒâ‚ã‚âƒãƒâƒã‚â‚ãƒâ‚ã‚âƒãƒâƒã‚âƒãƒâ‚ã‚â‚ãƒâƒã‚â‚ãƒâ ‚ã‚â‚ãƒâƒã‚âƒãƒâ‚ã‚âƒãƒâƒã‚â‚ãƒâ‚ã‚â‚ãƒâƒã‚âƒãƒâ‚ã ‚â‚ãƒâƒã‚â‚ãƒâ‚ã‚â¦ the indigo ray balancing is quite central to the type of work which revolves about the spirit complex, which has its influx then into the transformation or transmutation of third density to fourth density, it being the energy center receiving the least distorted outpourings of love/light from intelligent energy and also the potential for the key to the gateway of intelligent infinity.

hope there's some info in there that can help you, if you havent come across the ra material before it can be quite hard to intergrate... i suggest following the links on www.ascension2000.com web site to get access to the full study guide. 

> also, what does everyone think about the latest news in the middle
> east?? bethlehem is now a battle ground!! i think its horrible..

yes i agree... the events unfolding in the middle east do seem horrible, and we've all seen the attrocious images of conflict from the media... however we also have to view these events from a 7d perspective where we can see the sacramental nature in all things. all these events are happening for a reason with a divine purpose behind them. if you can understand that all the people caught up in the conflict will have pre-incarnatively agreed to their destiny and the wars that are developing at the minute are exactly what humanity needs to 'wake up' and change our ways following up to our progression into 4d reality... when you can understand things from this perspective then it is easier to retract yourself from these events.

> how can one stand for peace when you might get run over by a tank!!
> *shaking head*

funny you should say this... ill re-post a quote i made a couple of days ago from ra.

changing society.

ra: those most active in attempting to remake or alter the society are those working from feelings of being correct personally or of having answers which will put power in a more correct configuration. these interactions most often concentrate upon the 2nd and 3rd energy centers. there are some few whose desires to aid society are of a green ray nature or above. these entities, however, are few due to the understanding of 4th ray that universal love freely given is more to be desired than principles or even the rearrangement of peoples or political structures.

i hope i have gave you a few insights here... and maybe nudged you towards reading through the ra material... hope to hear more from you mesago!

robin.




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Crasher2ooo@...

04-04-2002, 08:03 PM

hi tiffani...

i was thinking the other day that i might aswell start backing up statements with ra quotes... and since i just re-read the study guide its all fresh in my mind.

so... in scotts book universal mind, he's basically saying that through meditation we can activate our higher chakra/energy centres. now, i've always had a bit trouble understanding how this works. in ra it states that our energy centres are activated and balanced through experience.

ra: the indigo-ray energy centre is fed, as are all energy centres, by experience.



example: ra: the indigo ray is opened only through considerable discipline and practice largely having to do with acceptance of self, not only as the polarised and balanced self but as the creator, as an entity of infinite worth. this will begin to activate the indigo ray. 

so... if each respective chakra represents a certain universal principal and in order to activate that chakra you need to integrate its respective universal principal... then how through meditation can you hope to activate these higher energy centres?

i do agree that meditation/visualisation would help the process... but only in the sense that you are consciously affirming the activation of your chakras. i honestly dont think that you could activate your higher chakras without integrating the knowledge that goes with them... if this wasn't the case then anyone capable of meditating could quite easily become an adept.

its actually a point thats always been in the back of my mind but ive never had the catalyst to properly think it through.... so thankyou!

robin.

p.s. your welcome for the examples... plenty more where they came from!

Crasher2ooo@...

04-05-2002, 02:11 AM

hi jeremy...

cheers for that post jeremy i think ive got this one sorted now...

my distortion of what scott was saying suggested a simple visualisation
technique or something along those lines, i understand now that he is
suggesting meditation as the best method of contemplating and integrating
these archetypical lessons, this would in turn activate the chakra that the
lesson corresponds to.

> ra speaks of meditation as a process of contemplation and integration.

i think this was the point i was missing.

so... my next question would be, can anyone give me an example of how you
would go about intergrating information using meditation? i have had
experience with various sorts of meditation but never in the sense of asking
a question and receiving enlightenment through meditation.

yes... i think your right jeremy, i do need to move on to the books instead
of the study guide... think ive got about all i can out of it to the point
where i am integrating some of ra's points out of context.

cheers, robin.

Jeremy Weiland

04-05-2002, 06:15 AM

hey robin,

> so... in scotts book universal mind, he's basically
> saying that through meditation we can activate our
> higher chakra/energy centres. now, i've always
> had a bit trouble understanding how this works. in
> ra it states that our energy centres are activated
> and balanced through experience.

well, i think this might be taking the quote a tiny
bit out of context. we all have had catalyzing
experiences - and very few direct experiences have had
anything to do with the opening of chakras in a
noticable and direct way. remember, what is
catalyzing about the experiences is the inner
contemplation and integration of the experiences what
allow blockages to be released. i'm pretty sure ra
says somewhere in the five books that energy center
blockages are blockages in the roots of mind, down
through which energy flows. so these blockages are
products of thought processes. what's the best way to
integrate experiences and thereby understand the mind?
meditation, contemplation.

with that said, be advised that scott comes from a
very bhuddist background and he is going to push that
approach because it's what worked for him. a lot of
universal vision is grounded in bhuddist thought,
which i'm not used to. but the meditation advice
seems pretty good - i don't think you can really go
wrong with it.

> so... if each respective chakra represents a certain
> universal principal and
> in order to activate that chakra you need to
> integrate its respective
> universal principal... then how through meditation
> can you hope to activate
> these higher energy centres?

ok, i can accept that the chakras correspond to
certain archetypical lessons we learn. but the reason
for this is that the blockages are product of mind.
you have to learn to open the door to the mind, and
the key is silence, as ra says.

> i do agree that meditation/visualisation would help
> the process... but only
> in the sense that you are consciously affirming the
> activation of your
> chakras. i honestly dont think that you could
> activate your higher chakras
> without integrating the knowledge that goes with
> them... if this wasn't the
> case then anyone capable of meditating could quite
> easily become an adept.

i agree with you - meditation can certainly be
directed in less efficient ways. ra speaks of
meditation as a process of contemplation and
integration. ra speaks very highly and specifically
of meditation throughout all five books - if those
passages about meditation aren't mentioned in the
study guide, then maybe it's time to move on to the
real deal.

jeremy

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04-05-2002, 01:06 PM

hey robin,

> my distortion of what scott was saying suggested a
> simple visualisation technique or something along
> those lines, i understand now that he is
> suggesting meditation as the best method of
> contemplating and integrating these archetypical
> lessons, this would in turn activate the chakra that

> the lesson corresponds to.

well, that's how i understand it. there may be other
ways to integrate (and probably are) but meditation is
one of them. of course visualization is a completely
valid subcategory of meditation, but my understanding
is that this is not usually a therapeutic or remedial
tool for working on distortions, but rather used for
manifesting outward results. i'd be interested in
learning more about what visualization actually does
in comparison to the roots of mind, the will, the
energy centers, etc. ra calls visualization the tool
of the adept. maybe once one is integrated, one can
use the will to manifest energy in a balanced manner.

> so... my next question would be, can anyone give me
> an example of how you would go about intergrating
> information using meditation? i have had
> experience with various sorts of meditation but
> never in the sense of asking a question and
> receiving enlightenment through meditation.

see list archives... i've asked this very same
question before, and often. i've eventually come to
an incomplete understanding that the process entails
acceptance, acceptance, acceptance. acceptance of the
undesirable qualities within, acceptance of mistakes,
acceptance of responsibility. that's why i said that
meditation is only one way of coming to this -
obviously, contemplation in a non-meditative sense can
be helpful too. but my belief, and i'd love to hear
other's opinions on this, is that it basically entails
looking at the situation, analyzing the explicit and
implicit judgements you are making about it, following
these judgements down to their sources, and
unconditionally accepting these sources as self.
obviously, you will not immediately begin to
reintegrate aspects of the self that have been
disintegrated and rejected for years, but what this
will begin to do is show you the disintegrated pieces.
you will no longer be able to just muddle through
life and ignore your emotions - they will take on a
meaning, a significance. being honest with yourself
allows you to look at yourself without self-deception,
w/o dressing things up to look good and ignoring
painful parts, so that you can establish where you are
in relation to unity. from there, its a matter of
simply accepting those many parts. in a way, i guess
the acceptance of self is a decision to be honest, to
view the self as it is in reality. then you just need
to be able to love those parts of the self that you
hate, i guess. i'm not an expert on this, but i know
how it feels to be given a key and not know how it
works. maybe this will help you come to your own
understanding of what is entailed in integration.

> yes... i think your right jeremy, i do need to move
> on to the books instead of the study guide... think
> ive got about all i can out of it to the point
> where i am integrating some of ra's points out of
> context.

s'ok... i spent a long time on the study guide because
i couldn't find the books, and it was only b/c my
parents gifted them to me for my b-day that i got
them. i still go back to the study guide for help
with understanding concepts outside of ra's immediate
conversational context. i think you have a good grip
on the terms ra is using and can follow don elkins's
questions and the answers much better now as a result.
that's the idea of the study guide, i guess.

take care,

jeremy

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mesago

06-27-2002, 11:49 AM

hey everyone, this is joe.. im 24 from north carolina.. just wanted
to lay down some ideas because ive been reading and absorbing so much
information lately i feel like my head is going to explode..

basically, we are all seeking "truth" right?? lately, the only truth
i can find is that i am alive!! doesnt matter if its all an illusion
or a hologram or just pure energy.. we're all alive and we're all in
the game together living in the same house (earth)

so, might as well reach out to the rest of you and see where everyone
stands.. i do feel strongly in my heart when it comes to music and
sound and vibration.. the basics of the universe.. i also believe
strongly in the idea of ether.. the ocean of the universe..

what interests me is something i learned about recently in regards to
the enormous numbers in the mathmatical universe.. for example, we
know it takes around 10 billion atoms to make a cell.. it also takes
around 10 billion cells to make a human.. what happens when we reach
10 billion humans??? funny because, we are currently at around 6-7
billion people on earth.. if you are familiar with the whole 2012
prophecy then it seems likely that around that time we will reach a
critical mass of 10 billion people.. neat lil factoid for yall to
chew on..

wait a sec, now that im thinking about it, what if that simply means
that we will become one human organism.. connected finally.. of
course, most people know this already, but the majority are still
living in a dualist world.. eh?? strange to think that when that 10
billionth little baby is born.. zappppp!!! the whole world will
become one mind.. sounds good to me *grin* :)

one thing is for sure.. my mind and my heart are wide open..

curious, is anyone familiar with living "off-grid" ???
thats something id like to move towards..

peace,
mesago

lenzaq

06-28-2002, 11:33 AM

--- in asc2k@y..., "mesago" <mesago@l...> wrote:
> curious, is anyone familiar with living "off-grid" ???
> thats something id like to move towards..
>
> peace,
> mesago

hey mesago,

i do not know if this is what you had in mind, but this website
offers what i consider a proactive way to "get off the grid."

http://internet.cybermesa.com/~nmd/om-tat-sat/nmd.html

take care,

len

chesheyer

07-01-2002, 03:34 PM

you wrote---> what interests me is something i learned about recently
in regards to
> the enormous numbers in the mathmatical universe.. for example, we
> know it takes around 10 billion atoms to make a cell.. it also
takes
> around 10 billion cells to make a human.. what happens when we
reach
> 10 billion humans??? funny because, we are currently at around 6-7
> billion people on earth.. if you are familiar with the whole 2012
> prophecy then it seems likely that around that time we will reach a
> critical mass of 10 billion people.. neat lil factoid for yall to
> chew on..
>
> wait a sec, now that im thinking about it, what if that simply
means
> that we will become one human organism.. connected finally.. of
> course, most people know this already, but the majority are still
> living in a dualist world.. eh?? strange to think that when that 10
> billionth little baby is born.. zappppp!!! the whole world will
> become one mind.. sounds good to me *grin* :)
>

> hey joe, just wanted to share with you something from, edgar
cayce's story of the origin and destiny of man by lytle
robinson....here goes.......
all men are gods in the making, endowed with the wisdom and power
of creative thought, for souls are but adoms in the body of god.
keep feelin' fascination,
~chesheyer~
>

Tiffani Boswell

07-01-2002, 04:16 PM

wow thanks...
that really tied it all together...have to sit and think on that one....
(leaving the post so others can read it again if the skipped it :)

> you wrote---> what interests me is something i learned about recently
> in regards to
> > the enormous numbers in the mathmatical universe.. for example, we
> > know it takes around 10 billion atoms to make a cell.. it also
> takes
> > around 10 billion cells to make a human.. what happens when we
> reach
> > 10 billion humans??? funny because, we are currently at around 6-7
> > billion people on earth.. if you are familiar with the whole 2012
> > prophecy then it seems likely that around that time we will reach a
> > critical mass of 10 billion people.. neat lil factoid for yall to
> > chew on..
> >
> > wait a sec, now that im thinking about it, what if that simply
> means
> > that we will become one human organism.. connected finally.. of
> > course, most people know this already, but the majority are still
> > living in a dualist world.. eh?? strange to think that when that 10
> > billionth little baby is born.. zappppp!!! the whole world will
> > become one mind.. sounds good to me *grin* :)
> >
>
> > hey joe, just wanted to share with you something from, edgar
> cayce's story of the origin and destiny of man by lytle
> robinson....here goes.......
> all men are gods in the making, endowed with the wisdom and power
> of creative thought, for souls are but adoms in the body of god.
> keep feelin' fascination,
> ~chesheyer~
> >
>
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pipul

01-16-2003, 03:57 PM

hello, i am a new member in this forum. i have been reading david's
books online, they are fascinating. i want to share a link
i found really interesting. you can spend hours here, its like
a matrix.
http://www.fusionanomaly.net/

regards
pipul

pipul

01-16-2003, 05:31 PM

hi, i am new memeber in this forum. i have been reading david's
book online , and find it fascinating. i a interesting site
and like to share it with everyone one. you can spend hours on this
site, it like a matrix.
www.fusionanomaly.net

pipul

stacy cook

12-31-2003, 09:37 AM

thank you for allowing me to join you ....
i have read the raw material and found it incredibly fascinating and soul
tagging.. there is so much to cover and explore in your website and so much to
learn...i hope to share as well as learn here.
again thank you for allowing me to take in the meat so desired...
blessings to you all, indigo/stacy

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Chris

12-31-2003, 10:18 AM

well, hi stacy! you will enjoy the group, and this group will enjoy your cayce
quotes too. oh, and there are some pretty smart dudes here too :) welcome
aboard! chris (from hc)

thank you for allowing me to join you ....
i have read the raw material and found it incredibly fascinating and soul
tagging.. there is so much to cover and explore in your website and so much to
learn...i hope to share as well as learn here.
again thank you for allowing me to take in the meat so desired...
blessings to you all, indigo/stacy

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Gwen

12-31-2003, 10:20 AM

hi stacy,

glad to see you here!

bright blessings,

gwen

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12-31-2003, 12:47 PM

hay chris!! i new i recognized you!! thank you for the warm welcome...
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stacy cook

01-02-2004, 11:52 AM

hi gwen... im very happy to be with like-minded people... wow..it seems our
group circles are spreading very wide...as i new it would. it seems we all cant
stay away form the impending raw truths!!
blessings to you and all here... stacy

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troy

08-21-2004, 12:46 PM

fear builds walls to bar the light.

i "found" this group last week. i am not a "tech" person, so, a lot of the
sharings are "gloobly glob" to me. that is fine as we all communicate in our own
way. kiss is my way. lol
i am 61 in linear time. some of my children are indigos.
the poem from kay was awesome. thank you kay. i would like to share a poem that
came through me. i read it now and i can see my journey through it. coming home
is how i would describe finding all of you---and myself.
love, troy

bright spirit

small bright spirit
dance your own tune
eternally alone in the cold blue flame

tears in your heart trying to give love
to the wraiths
how many times will you rip parts of
your heart away?

small bright spirit
dance your own tune
eternally alone in the cold blue flame

grieving small spirit
afraid to be real
no one will love you unless you feed
their fears.....

small bright spirit
dance your own tune
eternally alone in the cold blue flame

exhausted small spirit
tired of letting go
juggle small spirit - your light is
growing dim.....

small bright spirit
dance your own tune
eternally alone in the cold blue flame

rest small spirit - let the bleeding stop
heal small spirit - you don't have far to go

small bright spirit
dance your own tune
eternally alive with the warm red flame

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Jonathan Bethel

03-29-2005, 01:03 PM

hello, i'm rather new to the group. i should have made a formal
greeting before now, so i'm sorry for that. hi, i'm jonathan bethel,
but i also go by my shamanic name seshua. i look forward to
interacting with you all. i only recently heard about the david
wilcock story. it is fascinating, indeed!

after having read the "the reincarnation of edgar cayce?" and
looking at all the evidence, i would have to say i am certain this
man is who he says he is. i am eager to learn more about ra and the
law of one. before my introduction to david's predictions, i
believed we were headed for a dimensional shift in the near future.
i think we have been creating chardin's noosphere and are moving
headlong into the omega point. there is also the notion of a
technological singularity looming before us. also, the concept of
the year 2012 with the mayan calendar and terence mckenna's novelty
theory is very alluring.

as synchronicity appears to be on the rise, i think we should
expect a very interesting and novel ride into the shift.

seshua
http://omegapoint.org

Shawn Bernal

03-29-2005, 11:47 PM

i feel much the same!
welcome friend!

jonathan bethel <jonathanbethel@... (/group/asc2k/post?postid=cswuetgonupgo0-uba3tcbmsi6gg4wbzzrys-umnmmfph3v0nfrx9g-ovvx8myqtuit3ugwjpye79ewnwfwxua)> wrote:

hello, i'm rather new to the group. i should have made a formal
greeting before now, so i'm sorry for that. hi, i'm jonathan bethel,
but i also go by my shamanic name seshua. i look forward to
interacting with you all. i only recently heard about the david
wilcock story. it is fascinating, indeed!

after having read the "the reincarnation of edgar cayce?" and
looking at all the evidence, i would have to say i am certain this
man is who he says he is. i am eager to learn more about ra and the
law of one. before my introduction to david's predictions, i
believed we were headed for a dimensional shift in the near future.
i think we have been creating chardin's noosphere and are moving
headlong into the omega point. there is also the notion of a
technological singularity looming before us. also, the concept of
the year 2012 with the mayan calendar and terence mckenna's novelty
theory is very alluring.

as synchronicity appears to be on the rise, i think we should
expect a very interesting and novel ride into the shift.

seshua
http://omegapoint.org

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