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Light Eye
08-27-2002, 03:30 AM
Dear Friends,

I'm new to the group and the first thing I'd like to say is hello. Looks like an
interesting group and I hope that we can help one another to a better
understanding of what's going on around us. David's written a good deal on the
Mayans and I thought that's where I'd begin with my first post.

I thought the members would be interested in seeing some computer simulated (CS)
photos of the celestial alignment that will occur in 2012. The photos are taken
from the site http://www.artideas.com/Why2012/Why2012.html There's a lot of
info/photos at the site and it's worth checking out. I especially liked the 2012
celestial alignment as seen from other planets. The software used is RedShift 4
2000 version.

This first CS photo shows how the 2012 alignment will appear from the Yucatan.
The photo shows Venus, Mars and Mercury in alignment with the Sun. The Sun is in
turn in alignment with the Galactic Center/Equator. We can clearly see that this
planetary/solar alignment creates the "Celestial Cross."

http://www.artideas.com/Why2012/FromTheYucatan.jpg

This next CS photo is from an unknown location, possible the authors location.
We see the same planetary/solar alignment, however Mars is somewhat offset to
the west. Additionally we see in the west Sirius and Orion that are just setting
below the horizon or as the ancient Egyptians would say "passing into the
Underworld." We also see Antares, a red supergiant 604 light years away rising
about 6 degrees below Venus.

http://www.artideas.com/Why2012/Earth2012.jpg

The author mentions something interesting concerning Antares at the site;

A New Sun

In the British Museum is a small clay tablet, BM 86378. This tablet is a star
list written in cuneiform by an ancient scribe. One star is listed as a giant
star at the edge of the Vela constellation. In that there is no such star there
now, this must have been a temporary star.

There is at this location a pulsar, PSR 0833-45, near the constellation Vela in
the southern sky. Pulsars are what is left after a star explodes. Estimates of
the age of this pulsar allow it to be as young as 10,000 years. This would be
about the time Jericho was established. This stellar explosion would have been
seen low in the southern sky from Sumer. It is said that this star will shine
again. Another supernova?

Just a little over six degrees below and rising with Venus on December 21, 2012
is Antares, a red supergiant just 604 light years away. If this star were to
supernova as it came up with Venus, it would be as though a new Sun had been
born. The Sun God would have a Twin.

As the author mentions different software will give you slightly different
results and with each passing year the software gets better and better as new
info about space is gathered. This last CS photo is taken from software called
Distant Suns 1993 version. It shows no Galactic Center/Equator, but we see the
same sky configuration.

http://www.artideas.com/Why2012/DistandSuns.jpg

So there you see it my friends in it's full Glory. Please remember that the info
at the site is only as good as the data the author programs into the software,
however it looks very interesting to me.

Love and Light.

David

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eternityarchangel
08-27-2002, 01:21 PM
> I thought the members would be interested in seeing some computer
simulated (CS) photos of the celestial alignment that will occur in
2012. The photos are taken from the site
http://www.artideas.com/Why2012/Why2012.html There's a lot of
info/photos at the site and it's worth checking out. I especially
liked the 2012 celestial alignment as seen from other planets. The
software used is RedShift 4 2000 version.


Welcome to the group David!

That is a very interesting site, I only had a few moments to check it
out but it looks like hours of fun. I look forward to all your future
resources of knowledge and education.

In love and light,
Colin

William Foster
08-28-2002, 03:19 AM
Hi David:
Welcome to the group. I have a few comments about your post.

According to the following site:

http://seds.lpl.arizona.edu/billa/twn/antx.html

Antares is 520 light years from Earth, 700 times larger than the diameter of
our Sun and 10 to 15 times more luminous.

Also, according to both Solar Fire 5.0 and Winstar Plus 2.0 the Sun is not
even close to a perfect alignment of the Galactic Center on 12-21-12 and
Venus, Mercury, the Sun and Mars are not in alignment.

Here are there respective positions:
Venus: 7 Sag., 20* N 19' Decl.
Mercury: 15 Sag., 22* N 9 Decl.
Sun: 0 Capricorn, 23* 26' N Decl.
Mars: 26 Capricorn, 20* N 19; N Decl.

The Galactic Center will be about 27 Sag. in 2012 so I don't see that any of
these planets are conjunct or even close to it.

The most significant aspects are the "YOD" aspect between Jupiter, Saturn
and Pluto and are the closest aspect in the 12-21-12 chart. Jupiter is
inconjunct Pluto by 3 minutes of longitude, Jupiter is inconjunct Saturn by
14' and Saturn is sextile Pluto by 17'. Keywords for the inconjunct are
adjustment, trade-offs, compromise, reconsideration, modification and
frustration. But combined with the Sextile between Saturn and Pluto it
becomes a YOD aspect or "Finger of God" or fateful situation. See:

http://www.panix.com/~gsk/yod2.html

Plus, the Mars MC and Saturn DC cross exactly in Iraq close to Baghdad, for
that 12-21-12 chart. Mars, God of War and Pluto ruling Plutonium; what does
that say for that area ? Nothing good, I assure you.

By far, the most significant astrological aspects coming up in the next 15
years are the seven Uranus square Pluto aspects from June, 2012 to March,
2015. In each of the first six squares, either Uranus or Pluto is
retrograde, therefore weakening the retrograde planet but in the 7th and
final square; both are direct at 15* Aries for Uranus and 15* Capricorn for
Pluto. This fills in the grand cross for the U.S. chart with Saturn at 15*
Libra and the Sun at 14* Cancer.

All depressions of the last 200 years have had slow moving planets in a
grand cross with the U.S. chart. Therefore, the period between 2012 and
2015 will see a depression in the U.S. and probably before that.

Since Uranus and Pluto will be in Cardinal signs, the effects of the square
will be immediate. This will be a time of great chaos in the world on every
level: social, economic, geographic, political, financial, et. al.
yours,
Bill Foster

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Dear Friends,

I'm new to the group and the first thing I'd like to say is hello. Looks
like an interesting group and I hope that we can help one another to a
better understanding of what's going on around us. David's written a good
deal on the Mayans and I thought that's where I'd begin with my first post.

I thought the members would be interested in seeing some computer simulated
(CS) photos of the celestial alignment that will occur in 2012. The photos
are taken from the site http://www.artideas.com/Why2012/Why2012.html
There's a lot of info/photos at the site and it's worth checking out. I
especially liked the 2012 celestial alignment as seen from other planets.
The software used is RedShift 4 2000 version.

This first CS photo shows how the 2012 alignment will appear from the
Yucatan. The photo shows Venus, Mars and Mercury in alignment with the Sun.
The Sun is in turn in alignment with the Galactic Center/Equator. We can
clearly see that this planetary/solar alignment creates the "Celestial
Cross."

http://www.artideas.com/Why2012/FromTheYucatan.jpg

This next CS photo is from an unknown location, possible the authors
location. We see the same planetary/solar alignment, however Mars is
somewhat offset to the west. Additionally we see in the west Sirius and
Orion that are just setting below the horizon or as the ancient Egyptians
would say "passing into the Underworld." We also see Antares, a red
supergiant 604 light years away rising about 6 degrees below Venus.

http://www.artideas.com/Why2012/Earth2012.jpg

The author mentions something interesting concerning Antares at the site;

A New Sun

In the British Museum is a small clay tablet, BM 86378. This tablet is a
star list written in cuneiform by an ancient scribe. One star is listed as a
giant star at the edge of the Vela constellation. In that there is no such
star there now, this must have been a temporary star.

There is at this location a pulsar, PSR 0833-45, near the constellation Vela
in the southern sky. Pulsars are what is left after a star explodes.
Estimates of the age of this pulsar allow it to be as young as 10,000 years.
This would be about the time Jericho was established. This stellar explosion
would have been seen low in the southern sky from Sumer. It is said that
this star will shine again. Another supernova?

Just a little over six degrees below and rising with Venus on December 21,
2012 is Antares, a red supergiant just 604 light years away. If this star
were to supernova as it came up with Venus, it would be as though a new Sun
had been born. The Sun God would have a Twin.

As the author mentions different software will give you slightly different
results and with each passing year the software gets better and better as
new info about space is gathered. This last CS photo is taken from software
called Distant Suns 1993 version. It shows no Galactic Center/Equator, but
we see the same sky configuration.

http://www.artideas.com/Why2012/DistandSuns.jpg

So there you see it my friends in it's full Glory. Please remember that the
info at the site is only as good as the data the author programs into the
software, however it looks very interesting to me.

Love and Light.

David

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Light Eye
08-28-2002, 11:18 AM
Dear William,
Thanks for the info. It was quite interesting. Maybe I'll have to put away my
bottle of champagne I was planning on opening right before being lovingly
transported into a higher dimension on 21 Dec. 2012 or maybe not?
As I mentioned in my post the info provided is only as good as the software and
data punched into it. I went to the following site
http://skyandtelescope.com/observing/skychart This is an interactive program
on-line that all of you can access. It shows you the skies from any place in the
world at any date. I used the following info from the CS photo "From The
Yucatan" at the Why2012 site;
Lat - 20degrees 00' N
Long - 88 degrees 30' W
I didn't chose a location as the grid coordinates should be enough.
Date: 21 Dec 2012
Time: 05:30
Time Zone: Here I chose Mexico City UT - 6 hours
And what do you think I saw?
At that date, at that time Mercury, Venus and Saturn are in alignment. Antares
is also seen about 6 degrees below Venus.
I clicked the "time" forward to 6:30 AM (sunrise) and there are Venus and the
Sun in alignment.
I clicked the "time" backwards to 04:30 AM and there is Saturn and Jupiter in
alignment.
RedShift 4 shows the horizon, but does impede one from seeing what's below it.
It's what I would consider "neutral." That's why Mars was shown. The software at
SkyandTelescope isn't "neutral" so you don't see Mars in alignment with the Sun.
At the SkyandTelescope site there's no Galactic Center/Equator shown.
I'd just like to mention again that what you see is based on the software and
the data that's punched into it. Three different software programs have shown
the same planetary alignment, while only one has shown an planetary/solar
alignment with the Galactic Center/Equator.
Hmmm...I'll keep the bottle of champagne on ice.
Thanks again for the info.
Love and Light.
David



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William Foster
08-29-2002, 01:45 AM
Hi David:
I guess it depends upon what you mean by "alignment." If you mean you can
draw a straight line in the sky between the planets you see in the sky
versus a conjunction, that's different than the planets all being in
conjunction.

I still can't see that the Sun is conjunct the Galactic Center on 12-21-12.
They're about 3 degrees off of conjunction, which is pretty close and would
be considered within the conjunction orb of influence.

Don't miss understand me. I'm not mitigating the importance of the 12-21-12
astrological chart. I think the "Finger of God" combination aspect between
the slow moving planets is very significant and very well could portent an
extremely important shift in dimension, as David has pointed out.

yours,
Bill Foster

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Dear William,
Thanks for the info. It was quite interesting. Maybe I'll have to put away
my bottle of champagne I was planning on opening right before being lovingly
transported into a higher dimension on 21 Dec. 2012 or maybe not?
As I mentioned in my post the info provided is only as good as the software
and data punched into it. I went to the following site
http://skyandtelescope.com/observing/skychart This is an interactive
program on-line that all of you can access. It shows you the skies from any
place in the world at any date. I used the following info from the CS photo
"From The Yucatan" at the Why2012 site;
Lat - 20degrees 00' N
Long - 88 degrees 30' W
I didn't chose a location as the grid coordinates should be enough.
Date: 21 Dec 2012
Time: 05:30
Time Zone: Here I chose Mexico City UT - 6 hours
And what do you think I saw?
At that date, at that time Mercury, Venus and Saturn are in alignment.
Antares is also seen about 6 degrees below Venus.
I clicked the "time" forward to 6:30 AM (sunrise) and there are Venus and
the Sun in alignment.
I clicked the "time" backwards to 04:30 AM and there is Saturn and Jupiter
in alignment.
RedShift 4 shows the horizon, but does impede one from seeing what's below
it. It's what I would consider "neutral." That's why Mars was shown. The
software at SkyandTelescope isn't "neutral" so you don't see Mars in
alignment with the Sun. At the SkyandTelescope site there's no Galactic
Center/Equator shown.
I'd just like to mention again that what you see is based on the software
and the data that's punched into it. Three different software programs have
shown the same planetary alignment, while only one has shown an
planetary/solar alignment with the Galactic Center/Equator.
Hmmm...I'll keep the bottle of champagne on ice.
Thanks again for the info.
Love and Light.
David



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