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Jeremy Weiland

05-16-2001, 10:04 AM

hey y'all! hope everyone's doin' well. got a question for all you new
physics types. maybe you can help me with this.

i've been reading ciii and am on the chapter about gravity and aether.
i understand the premise that aether, streaming into the earth, exerts a
force on all bodies on earth that pushes us down, hence gravity. the
gravity streams into the earth towards the center. my question is, why does
the aether collide with and push our bodies down, but streams "through" the
earth? i just don't understand how the aether pushes us down if it floes
thru us!

an idea that just occurred to me is that earth has aether instreaming on
all sides, which balances out any movement that might occur. on the other
hand, bodies on the surface of earth have only the instreaming aether going
one way into the earth acting on them, so they get moved towards the earth.

i suspect i have a misconception of aether, because it doesn't make
sense how aether can exert force on an object if it passes thru it. i'd
just like to be a little clearer on this. thanks!

jeremy

David Wilcock

05-16-2001, 11:52 AM

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>that's actually the best question i've been asked regarding the new book so far. thanks!
>
>the earth is also pushed by the aether in its own way... its rotation and orbit around the sun, as a byproduct of the sun's energetic field. so the gravitational force is a combination of the natural instreaming into an object and its "push" by surrounding energy. both your body and the earth have instreaming energy and "push" applied from the outside... and the 'push' comes from the presence of larger forms of mass. that's why our position relative to the galactic center is so crucial. the larger forces win out over the smaller ones. the only reason why we are affected by the earth is that it is so much larger than we are.
>
>i hope that suffices... if it's really not clear enough i'm still open to making small last-minute changes to the text. i can now estimate that the rest of it won't be finished until just before my trip into colorado in june. 
>
>peace be with you - 
>
>- david
>
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<tt> hey y'all! hope everyone's doin' well. got a question for all you new
physics types. maybe you can help me with this.

i've been reading ciii and am on the chapter about gravity and aether.
i understand the premise that aether, streaming into the earth, exerts a
force on all bodies on earth that pushes us down, hence gravity. the
gravity streams into the earth towards the center. my question is, why does
the aether collide with and push our bodies down, but streams "through" the
earth? i just don't understand how the aether pushes us down if it floes
thru us!

an idea that just occurred to me is that earth has aether instreaming on
all sides, which balances out any movement that might occur. on the other
hand, bodies on the surface of earth have only the instreaming aether going
one way into the earth acting on them, so they get moved towards the earth.

i suspect i have a misconception of aether, because it doesn't make
sense how aether can exert force on an object if it passes thru it. i'd
just like to be a little clearer on this. thanks!

jeremy

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Jeremy Weiland

05-16-2001, 12:21 PM

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> well, i still wonder how the mechanism of this push works - i mean, i understand *why* there is this instreaming force that pushes towards the center of an object with lots of mass, but i still don't understand how the aether can go *through* and object and still *push* it. know what i mean? either the aether hits up against it and moves it with it's momentum, or it flows through it, but it how can it do both?maybe i'm struggling with the"fluid" analogy, because if you're in a stream, you're being pushed by thewater, but it's certainly not going through you! i just have been unable to rationalize that to myself based on the info in the book. maybe i'm missing something... 
> and david's busy, y'all; i know there's other people out there that can help me on this.
> thanks for the help, david!
>
> jeremy
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>

>that's actually the best question i've been asked regarding the new book so far. thanks!
>
>the earth is also pushed by the aether in its own way... its rotation and orbit around the sun, as a byproduct of the sun's energetic field. so the gravitational force is a combination of the natural instreaming into an object and its "push" by surrounding energy. both your body and the earth have instreaming energy and "push" applied from the outside... and the 'push' comes from the presence of larger forms of mass. that's why our position relative to the galactic center is so crucial. the larger forces win out over the smaller ones. the only reason why we are affected by the earth is that it is so much larger than we are.
>
>i hope that suffices... if it's really not clear enough i'm still open to making small last-minute changes to the text. i can now estimate that the rest of it won't be finished until just before my trip into colorado in june. 
>
>peace be with you - 
>
>- david
>
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>
<tt> hey y'all! hope everyone's doin' well. got a question for all you new
physics types. maybe you can help me with this.

i've been reading ciii and am on the chapter about gravity and aether.
i understand the premise that aether, streaming into the earth, exerts a
force on all bodies on earth that pushes us down, hence gravity. the
gravity streams into the earth towards the center. my question is, why does
the aether collide with and push our bodies down, but streams "through" the
earth? i just don't understand how the aether pushes us down if it floes
thru us!

an idea that just occurred to me is that earth has aether instreaming on
all sides, which balances out any movement that might occur. on the other
hand, bodies on the surface of earth have only the instreaming aether going
one way into the earth acting on them, so they get moved towards the earth.

i suspect i have a misconception of aether, because it doesn't make
sense how aether can exert force on an object if it passes thru it. i'd
just like to be a little clearer on this. thanks!

jeremy

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David Wilcock

05-16-2001, 12:25 PM

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>you're still getting hung up on the idea that mass is solid. mass is just a conglomeration of electromagnetic energy fields. electromagnetic energy fields and gravity are both forms of the zero-point energy or aether. so of course, electromagnetic fields can move through other fields, but as they move through they can also attract the other fields somewhat and cause a "current" to be established.
>
>- david
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style="font: 10pt arial">sent: wednesday, may 16, 2001 3:21 pm
style="font: 10pt arial">subject: re: [asc2k] aether / gravity question
>

> well, i still wonder how the mechanism of this push works - i mean, i understand *why* there is this instreaming force that pushes towards the center of an object with lots of mass, but i still don't understand how the aether can go *through* and object and still *push* it. know what i mean? either the aether hits up against it and moves it with it's momentum, or it flows through it, but it how can it do both?maybe i'm struggling with the"fluid" analogy, because if you're in a stream, you're being pushed by thewater, but it's certainly not going through you! i just have been unable to rationalize that to myself based on the info in the book. maybe i'm missing something... 
> and david's busy, y'all; i know there's other people out there that can help me on this.
> thanks for the help, david!
>
> jeremy
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>

>that's actually the best question i've been asked regarding the new book so far. thanks!
>
>the earth is also pushed by the aether in its own way... its rotation and orbit around the sun, as a byproduct of the sun's energetic field. so the gravitational force is a combination of the natural instreaming into an object and its "push" by surrounding energy. both your body and the earth have instreaming energy and "push" applied from the outside... and the 'push' comes from the presence of larger forms of mass. that's why our position relative to the galactic center is so crucial. the larger forces win out over the smaller ones. the only reason why we are affected by the earth is that it is so much larger than we are.
>
>i hope that suffices... if it's really not clear enough i'm still open to making small last-minute changes to the text. i can now estimate that the rest of it won't be finished until just before my trip into colorado in june. 
>
>peace be with you - 
>
>- david
>
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>
<tt> hey y'all! hope everyone's doin' well. got a question for all you new
physics types. maybe you can help me with this.

i've been reading ciii and am on the chapter about gravity and aether.
i understand the premise that aether, streaming into the earth, exerts a
force on all bodies on earth that pushes us down, hence gravity. the
gravity streams into the earth towards the center. my question is, why does
the aether collide with and push our bodies down, but streams "through" the
earth? i just don't understand how the aether pushes us down if it floes
thru us!

an idea that just occurred to me is that earth has aether instreaming on
all sides, which balances out any movement that might occur. on the other
hand, bodies on the surface of earth have only the instreaming aether going
one way into the earth acting on them, so they get moved towards the earth.

i suspect i have a misconception of aether, because it doesn't make
sense how aether can exert force on an object if it passes thru it. i'd
just like to be a little clearer on this. thanks!

jeremy

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Jeremy Weiland

05-16-2001, 12:50 PM

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> ok, yeah, i was getting hung up on that. thanks!
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style="font: 10pt arial">sent: wednesday, may 16, 2001 3:25 pm
style="font: 10pt arial">subject: re: [asc2k] aether / gravity question
>

>you're still getting hung up on the idea that mass is solid. mass is just a conglomeration of electromagnetic energy fields. electromagnetic energy fields and gravity are both forms of the zero-point energy or aether. so of course, electromagnetic fields can move through other fields, but as they move through they can also attract the other fields somewhat and cause a "current" to be established.
>
>- david
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style="font: 10pt arial">sent: wednesday, may 16, 2001 3:21 pm
style="font: 10pt arial">subject: re: [asc2k] aether / gravity question
>

> well, i still wonder how the mechanism of this push works - i mean, i understand *why* there is this instreaming force that pushes towards the center of an object with lots of mass, but i still don't understand how the aether can go *through* and object and still *push* it. know what i mean? either the aether hits up against it and moves it with it's momentum, or it flows through it, but it how can it do both?maybe i'm struggling with the"fluid" analogy, because if you're in a stream, you're being pushed by thewater, but it's certainly not going through you! i just have been unable to rationalize that to myself based on the info in the book. maybe i'm missing something... 
> and david's busy, y'all; i know there's other people out there that can help me on this.
> thanks for the help, david!
>
> jeremy
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style="font: 10pt arial">sent: wednesday, may 16, 2001 2:52 pm
style="font: 10pt arial">subject: re: [asc2k] aether / gravity question
>

>that's actually the best question i've been asked regarding the new book so far. thanks!
>
>the earth is also pushed by the aether in its own way... its rotation and orbit around the sun, as a byproduct of the sun's energetic field. so the gravitational force is a combination of the natural instreaming into an object and its "push" by surrounding energy. both your body and the earth have instreaming energy and "push" applied from the outside... and the 'push' comes from the presence of larger forms of mass. that's why our position relative to the galactic center is so crucial. the larger forces win out over the smaller ones. the only reason why we are affected by the earth is that it is so much larger than we are.
>
>i hope that suffices... if it's really not clear enough i'm still open to making small last-minute changes to the text. i can now estimate that the rest of it won't be finished until just before my trip into colorado in june. 
>
>peace be with you - 
>
>- david
>
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style="font: 10pt arial">----- original message -----
style="background: #e4e4e4; font: 10pt arial; font-color: black">from: jeremy weiland (jweiland@nettalon.com)
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style="font: 10pt arial">sent: wednesday, may 16, 2001 1:04 pm
style="font: 10pt arial">subject: [asc2k] aether / gravity question
>
<tt> hey y'all! hope everyone's doin' well. got a question for all you new
physics types. maybe you can help me with this.

i've been reading ciii and am on the chapter about gravity and aether.
i understand the premise that aether, streaming into the earth, exerts a
force on all bodies on earth that pushes us down, hence gravity. the
gravity streams into the earth towards the center. my question is, why does
the aether collide with and push our bodies down, but streams "through" the
earth? i just don't understand how the aether pushes us down if it floes
thru us!

an idea that just occurred to me is that earth has aether instreaming on
all sides, which balances out any movement that might occur. on the other
hand, bodies on the surface of earth have only the instreaming aether going
one way into the earth acting on them, so they get moved towards the earth.

i suspect i have a misconception of aether, because it doesn't make
sense how aether can exert force on an object if it passes thru it. i'd
just like to be a little clearer on this. thanks!

jeremy

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Brian V. Cox

05-16-2001, 01:06 PM

david, jeremy, all...

ok, so the intreaming aether passes through small objects, which are
themselves standing waves of em energy...right?

if you look at gravity as being an em field travelling through matter,
which is another em field, would the gravity field have a calculatable
(is that a word?) :) effect on the matter's em field? it seems like
the two fields would have constructive and/or destructive wave interference..
maybe this interference of the waves is what "moves" the matter a little
bit (gravity) , but only maybe depending on how in phase with the
instreaming energy the matter is?

if both the instreaming aether and matter itself are both defined as
periodic vibrations of the space/time fabric, can there be two such
waves at the same location at the same time?

could you modulate matter's vibrational frequency my manipulating
the amplitude and frequency of the instreaming aetheric energy?

i've often thought about how light energy outside of our visual spectrum
could be affecting the visible wavelengths...in the same way that musical
overtones (higher order harmonics) that are beyond our hearing can affect
the sound of lower frequencies, by their interference. we cant hear
the higher sound waves, but we hear their effect on the lower frequencies.
in the same way, you can see visible wavelengths distort in the presence
of em energy outside of our visible spectrum (heat above a flame distorting
the visual image behind and above the flame, for example).

sorry if i'm babbling, i'm just trying to see if i have a grasp on
understanding all this. i'm in chapter 11 of c3, by the way...

-brian

> you're still getting hung up on the idea that mass is solid. mass is just a=
> conglomeration of electromagnetic energy fields. electromagnetic energy fi=
> elds and gravity are both forms of the zero-point energy or aether. so of c=
> ourse, electromagnetic fields can move through other fields, but as they mo=
> ve through they can also attract the other fields somewhat and cause a "cur=
> rent" to be established.
>
> - david

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David Wilcock

05-16-2001, 03:41 PM

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><tt>david, jeremy, all...

ok, so the intreaming aether passes through small objects, which are
themselves standing waves of em energy...right?
</tt>
><tt>- not small objects. all objects.</tt><tt>
>
if you look at gravity as being an em field travelling through matter,
which is another em field, would the gravity field have a calculatable
(is that a word?) :) effect on the matter's em field? it seems like
the two fields would have constructive and/or destructive wave interference..
maybe this interference of the waves is what "moves" the matter a little
bit (gravity) , but only maybe depending on how in phase with the
instreaming energy the matter is?

>- at the conference there was indeed talk about how this new propulsion technology absorbs the zpe that would normally cause it to increase its mass and inertia as it approaches the speed of light. thus it is possible for mass-canceling effects to be produced. the faster you go, the more energy you absorb which in turn creates even faster velocities and even greater available energy.
>
>what you're mentioning here is undoubtedly true and appears to be partly behind the "vacuum domains" and tibetan acoustic levitation. and let's not forget that the anti-gravity vortex in a tornado also causes matter phase changes. i tried to keep ciii simple by focusing on what i feel is the most important point, namely how you can create a "vacuum domain" around an object and the direction of flow will determine how it interacts with the gravitational force.
>
>
if both the instreaming aether and matter itself are both defined as
periodic vibrations of the space/time fabric, can there be two such
waves at the same location at the same time?

>- "scalar wave interferometry" is a process described by bearden (such as at www.cheniere.org (http://www.cheniere.org)) where you take two scalars (waves in the aether that are not directly measurable in normal space) and cross them at the same point. this creates all sorts of effects and forms a sort of weaponry, produces matter and dimensional shifts and other phenomena.
>
could you modulate matter's vibrational frequency my manipulating
the amplitude and frequency of the instreaming aetheric energy?
>
>-yes. this is the legacy of keely's work. and of course there are plenty of examples of this being done in the book with technology as well as in the tornado.
>
>
>i've often thought about how light energy outside of our visual spectrum
could be affecting the visible wavelengths...in the same way that musical
overtones (higher order harmonics) that are beyond our hearing can affect
the sound of lower frequencies, by their interference. we cant hear
the higher sound waves, but we hear their effect on the lower frequencies.
in the same way, you can see visible wavelengths distort in the presence
of em energy outside of our visible spectrum (heat above a flame distorting
the visual image behind and above the flame, for example).

>- it is interesting that the cayce readings said that crystals for focusing light would be the most effective means of harnessing aetheric energy. 
>

>sorry if i'm babbling, i'm just trying to see if i have a grasp on
understanding all this. i'm in chapter 11 of c3, by the way...
>
>- don't apologize! i've been waiting two years for feedback on this material... and until now it had to remain classified for my safety. and i'm also glad that people are getting through the whole thing! :)
>
>-brian

> you're still getting hung up on the idea that mass is solid. mass is just a=
> conglomeration of electromagnetic energy fields. electromagnetic energy fi=
> elds and gravity are both forms of the zero-point energy or aether. so of c=
> ourse, electromagnetic fields can move through other fields, but as they mo=
> ve through they can also attract the other fields somewhat and cause a "cur=
> rent" to be established.
>
> - david

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Clark stewart

05-16-2001, 10:25 PM

yes this is quite interesting jeremy,
i was walking about my neighborhood yesterday, with these magnets i bought.
i thought how the atoms align, and by some kind of pt of reference, they
exhibit there odd traits.
what came to mind was what keely called the "terrestrial poles"..something
he used to tap, in his various devices.

how this interacts with your question is indirect, but what homes to mind,
is the aspect of neutrinos.
they pass as well through earth, and is assumed they don't interact with
matter.
i believe they do in subtle ways, particularly with the photon.
any comments on that interaction...rod/david?

regarding jermey's question furtherly,
is the attraction not superceded by the central mass of our planet due to
the density, ie that aether when precipitating into our density is attracted
toward it as a mini singularity, where from there..i don't know.
ra speaks of expanding and contracting, as a type of breath, so why couldn't
that behavior be in the sub'r logos aswell, mirroring the trickle down
effect..that consciousness of our planet is understanding the nesscessity of
what constitues normal gravity behaviour.
so breathing in, in a certain way, and out in a other..?
so when we see/hear of levitation this is a ex. of someone understanding how
to repel/sheild/align those forces on/during precipitation.
or amplify the forces during the rebound effect. the choice between inward
congulating outward dispersion..or does it matter..?
i could actually see that being applicable for both processes.

sorry, for the techness of the feel, lack of herbal stimuli, keeps me ..you
know..tweaked..laughs,
all is one, smile and love,
clark

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