View Full Version : New Music - "The Choice"
David Wilcock
08-18-2002, 01:34 AM
Ok...
Who out there likes Rush, Tangerine Dream, Brand X, the drumming style of
Dave Weckl, hard rock, odd-time signatures (7, 5, 3 and 8), dramatic
stop-time arrangements, ballistic drum solos, etc?
I just completed my sequencing setup and figured out how to use it as of
three days ago- and this is the result. Though some might think of it as
"heavy metal" oriented, it is exactly the song that came through the most
strongly from the mass mind right now.
The intention of its composer is to convey, as I said, the harsh but
fantastic reality of making "the Choice" between service-to-self and
service-to-others.
I'm definitely interested in hearing some feedback this time - I've hardly
ever gotten emails about any of the older music files on the website.
If you don't want to rock - HARD - then don't waste your time downloading
this file! Otherwise, let 'er rip - and don't forget to SAVE the file, not
open the file, or else you'll lose it.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/asc2k/files/The%20Choice%20-%2048K.mp3
If anyone out there wants to mirror this file on a different website, please
do, because it is unclear how well Yahoo handles downloads. This one's 2.7
megs - which optimally should be less than 10 minutes on a 56K. It's seconds
on a DSL / Cable modem.
This is by far the most musically sophisticated piece I've ever composed -
and this is just what I did in order to teach myself how to use and
integrate the gear. The main missing component was the Yamaha SW1000XG card,
which also comes with a sequencer called XGworks. It's by far the best value
out there if you don't already have a sequencer or MIDI card - all you need
after that is a trigger keyboard, although I have the Korg 01/W workstation
as well as the Roland TD-7 digital drumset, and now also have a Behringer
10-channel mixer for audio inputs.
Now wait till I get my hands on the new Yamaha Motif keyboard... this is one
that allows you to reproduce almost any acoustic / electric instrument sound
flawlessly - including guitars, flutes and even horns! Then we'll have some
downloads, all right...
Forgive me if I sound proud, but some of you are going to go into
prog-rocker's ecstasy when you hear this jam...
Peace be with you -
- David
thedruid2012
08-18-2002, 02:59 AM
Hi David,
That took me back to the early 70's !!! recognised quite a few
influences in there. I'll 'pump' the volume up later (peaceful Sunday
morning here in the UK).
Uploaded the file onto our development server:
http://demo4u.co.uk/asc2k/mp3/andromeda.php
Found a neat little script that automatically lists any mp3's in a
folder - its an evaluation copy. Couldn't get it to work at first,
renamed the extension from 'mpga' to 'mp3' and it works fine.
Not sure of TheHostPros set-up, I'm happy to place any
files/programmes on the above domain.
Peace be with you - too.
Mike.
"David Wilcock" wrote:
> Ok...
>
> Who out there likes Rush, Tangerine Dream, Brand X, the drumming
style of Dave Weckl, hard rock, odd-time signatures (7, 5, 3 and 8),
dramatic stop-time arrangements, ballistic drum solos, etc?
>
> I just completed my sequencing setup and figured out how to use it
as of three days ago- and this is the result. Though some might think
of it as "heavy metal" oriented, it is exactly the song that came
through the most strongly from the mass mind right now.
>
> The intention of its composer is to convey, as I said, the harsh but
> fantastic reality of making "the Choice" between service-to-self and
> service-to-others.
>
> I'm definitely interested in hearing some feedback this time - I've
hardly ever gotten emails about any of the older music files on the
website.
[SNIP]
> If anyone out there wants to mirror this file on a different
website, please do, because it is unclear how well Yahoo handles
downloads.
[SNIP]
> Peace be with you -
>
> - David
sol72us
08-18-2002, 12:01 PM
I was listening to track 5 of Tool's "Lateralus",
entitled "Schism", and "The Choice" just seamed
right into it, just downloaded it at the right
time; like I turned the volume down on my boom box
playing "Tool" and up on my computer, and experienced
one of the oddest synchronicities...
In Awe,
Pat
David Wilcock
08-18-2002, 01:56 PM
From: "thedruid2012"
> Hi David,
>
> That took me back to the early 70's !!! recognised quite a few
> influences in there.
DW: I listened to a lot of early Genesis, Yes and Rush in HS and college. I
also was a major fan of Tangerine Dream, and I admit that the first
five-note melody of the 5/8 figure is straight out of one of their stongs. I
always wanted to hear a band that could blend the steady-eighth-note driving
melodic rhythms of Tangerine Dream, with their ability to drift in between
time signatures so effortlessly that you don't even realize it, with the
hard drive of progressive rock, but updated to a more modern "heavy" feel.
So this was the product!
If people like it I'll have to compose a few more in the same vein. There's
also lyrics to go with this song, but I'm waiting on version 3.0 of XGworks
in the mail as the version I have now cannot save vocals. I'm not sure yet
whether this is better off instrumental or with vocals, but I'm going to do
it both ways. I can also see how having a live guitar solo in there could
further add to it, but of course my specialty is drumming.
I'll 'pump' the volume up later (peaceful Sunday
> morning here in the UK).
DW: Definitely a bigger payoff to listen to it loud and on good speakers, if
at all possible and if this type of music is your thing...
> Uploaded the file onto our development server:
>
> http://demo4u.co.uk/asc2k/mp3/andromeda.php
DW: Great! Everyone might well want to download it from here, as I was able
to get a pretty steady 7kbps stream on a 56K modem.
> Not sure of TheHostPros set-up, I'm happy to place any
> files/programmes on the above domain.
DW: The problem is that I've used up all my allotted space!
Peace be with you -
- David
karbrown77
08-18-2002, 04:10 PM
Pat,
I too love Tool! People find it strange that I am a classically
trained musician and love Chopin, Rachmaninoff, and Mozart and play
Tool, NIN, and Staind while in the car. "Silent Lucidity" by
Queensyche always gives me goosebumps and the lyrics are very deep
(or is it just me?) I don't know why, but music has always moved me
in a spiritual sense. Especially the combination of strings and
acoustic guitar like Iris by The Goo Goo Dolls.
Well, I'm rambling again!
Karen :)
Chris Hamilton
08-18-2002, 05:03 PM
OK - so do people like it, or what? I'm not asking any complex questions here,
just how did it make you feel... one person told me they could see it in a movie
soundtrack for a person who has a lot going on inside their head,
Ok, definately a movie soundtrack, with variations occuring throughout the
movie. Time is of the essence here-searching for something on a time limit.
Nice. Chris
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tbone50022000
08-18-2002, 06:20 PM
> OK - so do people like it, or what? I'm not asking any complex
questions here, just how did it make you feel... one person told me
they could see it in a movie soundtrack for a person who has a lot
going on inside their head,
I liked the track, but didnt find the uploading of energy and then
the release. Or in other words a climax.
Anyway thats how i feeled, keep it up :) Tbone.
David Wilcock
08-18-2002, 07:24 PM
From: "sol72us"
> I was listening to track 5 of Tool's "Lateralus",
> entitled "Schism", and "The Choice" just seamed
> right into it, just downloaded it at the right
> time; like I turned the volume down on my boom box
> playing "Tool" and up on my computer, and experienced
> one of the oddest synchronicities...
> In Awe,
> Pat
DW: Yes, that's a great example of what can happen... as a result of having
other minds listen to the composition I've already got the idea for how to
expand it - a seamless transition into Track 2, which will be a 6/8 groove
in the same key that features an Indian-style (India indian) melody that I
sang in front of the crowd at the USPA conference last month in Columbus,
Ohio. I can see how this could expand into a whole "fusion opera" about
Ascension... once the ideas get rolling and the melodies start pouring in,
you've got to just sit down and get them out... and finally after a six-year
hiatus from having sequencing gear, I'm ready to get going again, thanks to
some very hard work in the last two months.
OK - so do people like it, or what? I'm not asking any complex questions
here, just how did it make you feel... one person told me they could see it
in a movie soundtrack for a person who has a lot going on inside their head,
knowing something great is coming, but has to maintain their composure in
the outside world. I can definitely see how it could fit in a "Matrix"-style
movie.
Peace be with you -
- David
sol72us
08-18-2002, 07:25 PM
--- In asc2k@y..., "David Wilcock" <david@a...> wrote:
> I'm not asking any complex questions
> here, just how did it make you feel...
When I listened to David's music, "The Choice,"
I felt multiplexed multidimensionally.
There are many fascinating beats happening
in parrallel. The high track really tickles
the top of my head, the terrific softer mid
thumping warms my heart, and the backbone
rythm really got my head ressonating. My
impression is there are 5 or so distinct
tracks separated by frequency range,
intermingling together. If you focus on
isolating the tracks the music becomes very
intriguing how the tracks fade in and out,
sharing the emphasis.
The Choice, maybe our decision to embace all
the tracks together or filter some in order
to focus on one or two others. Humans are
deletion creatures, with the ability to
filter, and our decision may be enhanced by
an awareness of all these elements and which
elements we are filtering, as our filtering
may be otherwise unconscious.
This music is analogous to our lives, the
tracks to dimensions, and our appreciation
relates to our filtering. Our choice maybe
simple. To live our lives simply single
dimension, or to live more deeply multiplexed
multidimension. This choice affects how we
are feeling and appreciating. Thanks David!
Most Gratefully,
Pat
David Wilcock
08-18-2002, 09:59 PM
From: "tbone50022000"
> > OK - so do people like it, or what? I'm not asking any complex
> questions here, just how did it make you feel... one person told me
> they could see it in a movie soundtrack for a person who has a lot
> going on inside their head,
>
> I liked the track, but didnt find the uploading of energy and then
> the release. Or in other words a climax.
> Anyway thats how i feeled, keep it up :) Tbone.
DW: That could very well change once the vocals go in, as they definitely
work up to a point where "the Choice" is made. Another possibility is
shortening the song's length and only going into the 5/8 section once or
twice instead of three times... but others have said that it is
disappointing when the best part of a song goes by only once and you don't
get to hear it again. That was why I put the whole extended sequence in
there twice. The 3/8 section at the end of the third 5/8 section (just count
the number of beats and you'll see what I'm talking about) with the heavy
trash-cymbal crashes on 2 and 3, followed by the drum solo, was intended to
be the climax... but also realize that the song is not intended to have just
one "moment" but several. I also wanted the time signatures to have certain
sacred geometric properties as well.
Thanks for weighing in with some constructive criticism. Part of what I want
to do is to see if this might reach more young people who are ready to hear
about this new information but would recoil from anything that smacks of
religion or New Age lovey-dovey spirituality. The reality of third density
can be very harsh, especially for Wanderers, and that's the vein I was
tapping here. It seems that there are a good number of STS/STO "fence
sitters" who listen to this type of music and may be nudged by something
like this, if the lyrics are done tastefully and without preaching.
It's awfully quiet, though... if some of you really don't like it at all,
then it's probably for the best... without the inspiration the music doesn't
get made. I am definitely targeting a particular niche of listeners which
may not represent a broad spectrum of my own readership. Other pieces will
explore vastly different textures with much less of an "edge." For a whole
year I was the drummer in a large singing group that sang 30's and 40's
covers in choral style to people in nursing homes... so I can potentially
create any style of music. Some more straight-ahead jazz numbers are
definitely on the way as well, but without the Motif it'll have to be jazz
trio type stuff, like piano or organ trios. Even then, the acoustic bass on
the SW1000XG can't even touch the sounds on the Motif.
Don't forget, this is the download link that is best to use:
http://demo4u.co.uk/asc2k/mp3/andromeda.php
I have some major "unfinished karmic business" with myself in the sense that
I wanted to do a rock opera about end-times ever since I was a sophomore in
high school - and this is exactly the kind of music I was listening to
during those years. I know that it is healing something in me to produce
it... like meditation, you want to move through what comes up first before
you go into deeper levels, instead of trying to ignore what's right in your
face. All the crashes in the drum part are very much in keeping with the
warlike attitude of our government at the present time.
Peace be with you -
- David
David Wilcock
08-19-2002, 12:06 AM
From: "sol72us"
> --- In asc2k@y..., "David Wilcock" <david@a...> wrote:
> > I'm not asking any complex questions
> > here, just how did it make you feel...
>
> When I listened to David's music, "The Choice,"
> I felt multiplexed multidimensionally.
DW: Ah ha! That's exactly what I was hoping it would do. I may not be proud
to say this, but the most sublimely ecstatic, earth-shaking, white-knuckle,
all-knowing all-powerful states I've ever reached through music came from
two things - the album "Product" by the Phil Collins jazz band Brand X, (and
that kick-butt 7/8 song on "Lamb Lies Down on Broadway" was a strong
influence to this song I wrote,) but even more so by the album "Ricochet"
from Tangerine Dream, circa 1976. I figured that if I took the capacity for
Tangerine Dream to put me into that total "zone" and added the fusion edge
to it, with a more modern hardness, that it could really be something.
The fact is that when you actually go out into the higher realms, those
driving melodies of unchanging rhythm with no gaps in the melody, fitting
into 2,3,4,5,6,7 time signatures, are very much what you hear - such is the
essence of celestial mechanics. Part of what I did in the song was to do
away with some of the repetition that you hear in a lot of music - not a
single track is a complete loop; there are subtle variations and even errors
in how things are played that are deliberate. Also, at times the square bass
plays the melody along with "Big Five" (see below) while the resonant bass
and drums drop out - and that also adds an interesting texture.
> There are many fascinating beats happening
> in parrallel. The high track really tickles
> the top of my head, the terrific softer mid
> thumping warms my heart, and the backbone
> rythm really got my head ressonating. My
> impression is there are 5 or so distinct
> tracks separated by frequency range,
> intermingling together.
DW: Well, here's what we've actually got, listed by track number and voice
on the SW1000XG card:
1. Lead Guitar (plays the high-end melodic line)
3. Itopia (what I call the "spacey swells" in the song, giving it that
angelic gloss)
4. Square Bass (70s analog bass sound heard in the very beginning and
throughout, such as in the percussive five-note figure "da-da daaaa da da" -
where everything is the same note except the longer one, which dips in
pitch)
5. Big Five (crunchy metal-style guitar / bass sound for main riffs)
6. Resonant Bass (fills out the main riffs with a more complete sound with
analog overtones)
10. Standard Kit (no drum patterns were introduced that were not humanly
possible to play for a person with reasonable skill)
If you focus on
> isolating the tracks the music becomes very
> intriguing how the tracks fade in and out,
> sharing the emphasis.
>
> The Choice, maybe our decision to embace all
> the tracks together or filter some in order
> to focus on one or two others. Humans are
> deletion creatures, with the ability to
> filter, and our decision may be enhanced by
> an awareness of all these elements and which
> elements we are filtering, as our filtering
> may be otherwise unconscious.
>
> This music is analogous to our lives, the
> tracks to dimensions, and our appreciation
> relates to our filtering. Our choice maybe
> simple. To live our lives simply single
> dimension, or to live more deeply multiplexed
> multidimension. This choice affects how we
> are feeling and appreciating. Thanks David!
>
> Most Gratefully,
> Pat
DW: Well, as long as some people are really digging it, that's enough reason
to proceed. I've had several people tell me, "Oh, you've gotta listen to
Tool," that kind of thing - so I wanted to take some musical ideas that I
have had for a long time but never heard expressed in that idiom, and see
how it sounds. My goal was, for certain types of listener, to provide that
catapult into multi-dimensional acoustic ecstasy.
There's even more that can be done with polyrhythmic ideas, such as melodies
that run contrapuntally and don't line up until every fourth cycle - such as
a groove in five that superimposes over a groove in three - and this is how
long it takes for them to line up so that both fall on the "1" again:
1 2 3 4 5 1 2 3 4 5 1 2 3 4 5 1
1 2 3 1 2 3 1 2 3 1 2 3 1 2 3 1
Doing this most tastefully would typically involve something like only
accenting the '1' on the pattern that is in 3, while having a 5/8 groove
like the one in "The Choice" as your melodic pattern for the section in 5.
Now you want to talk "pulsating multidimensionality," that will really get
you into it - though it works best if done a little slower. "The Choice" is
written at 110 bpm, but something like that above is best done under 100.
We'll see what pops out next...
Peace be with you -
- David
Brian Cox
08-19-2002, 08:06 AM
damn...too bad they took away our sound cards here at worldcom... :)
this sounds like it's right up my alley...
ps david did you see rush on this tour? saw them friday night in houston,
seeing them tonight in dallas. they brought back some songs they havent
played since the 70's...
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Subject: [asc2k] New Music - "The Choice"
Forgive me if I sound proud, but some of you are going to go into
prog-rocker's ecstasy when you hear this jam...
Peace be with you -
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
sol72us
08-19-2002, 09:01 AM
--- In asc2k@y..., "David Wilcock" <david@a...> wrote:
> the heavy trash-cymbal crashes on 2 and 3,
> followed by the drum solo, was intended to
> be the climax... but also realize that the
> song is not intended to have just one
> "moment" but several.
There is a song "Love Shack" by B52's that
is very climactic - reminds me of orgasm.
Analogously, maybe this "Choice" intended to be
one of those extended ones - heightened
sustained ecstasy.
> I also wanted the time signatures to have
> certain sacred geometric properties as well.
This may be related to the clock, I noticed
the song went silent at 7:11.
> DW: Well, here's what we've actually got,
> listed by track number and voice
> on the SW1000XG card:
> 1. Lead Guitar (plays the high-end melodic line)
> 3. Itopia (what I call the "spacey swells" in the song,
> giving it that angelic gloss)
> 4. Square Bass (70s analog bass sound heard in the very
> beginning and throughout, such as in the percussive
> five-note figure "da-da daaaa da da" - where
> everything is the same note except the longer one, which
> dips in pitch)
> 5. Big Five (crunchy metal-style guitar / bass sound for
> main riffs)
> 6. Resonant Bass (fills out the main riffs with a more
> complete sound with analog overtones)
> 10. Standard Kit (no drum patterns were introduced that
> were not humanly possible to play for a person with
> reasonable skill)
I thought five and David lists six, this just goes to show
the filtering that goes on, (not to mention the clock.)
I was mixing a couple of these - my discernment weak.
Another point related to filtering, is that many people
are not tolerant of music that doesn't fit their taste,
that is, they just filter out the whole song.
This relates to preferences that become so strong that
the resulting filtering actually distorts complete
reality, hence illusion; work to reduce unconscious filtering.
> There's even more that can be done with polyrhythmic
> ideas, such as melodies that run contrapuntally and
> don't line up until every fourth cycle - such as
> a groove in five that superimposes over a groove in
> three - and this is how long it takes for them to line
> up so that both fall on the "1" again:
>
> 1 2 3 4 5 1 2 3 4 5 1 2 3 4 5 1
> 1 2 3 1 2 3 1 2 3 1 2 3 1 2 3 1
Thanks for explaining this.
It is easy to see that with a bunch
of lines like this, a "matrix" forms...
David, thank you again, I like your music!
Gratefully,
Pat
Mark Ruenes
08-19-2002, 09:12 AM
Brian, you forgot to mention the morphing plutonic solid visuals at the Rush
concert. It occurred during 3 songs, they had a huge video screen behind
them on stage. There was another visual of a 6 armed goddess that was
waving her arms around to the music and out of her fingers were spiraling
DNA, which looked to become more complex as the song progressed. I believe
the goddess emerged out of two plutonic solids that combined in the middle
of the screen.
Take care,
Mark
p.s. David, I really like the new song and hope to hear some more from you.
It definitely gives you the feel of travelling through the multiverse. I
definitely picked up on the Rush influence, and the song also reminded me of
Tool...which has been in constant rotation in my cd player. I highly
recommend listening to the new album.
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Subject: RE: [asc2k] New Music - "The Choice"
damn...too bad they took away our sound cards here at worldcom... :)
this sounds like it's right up my alley...
ps david did you see rush on this tour? saw them friday night in houston,
seeing them tonight in dallas. they brought back some songs they havent
played since the 70's...
Brian V. Cox
08-19-2002, 09:31 AM
yeah, i was going to wait until after tonight's show to comment on
it, so i could refresh what they were actually doing.
they definitely had images up of all the platonic solids spinning and
morphing into one another, and the 6-armed goddess (shiva?) weaving
hexagonally symmetric shapes into being, flying away from her as DNA
helices spiraled out from her arms.
it was stunning. i'll try to sneak a camera in tonight, but i think
they have metal detectors.
-brian
(ps this is the current rush tour we're talking about...seeing it again
in dallas tonight...mark and i went to the houston show together friday)
> Brian, you forgot to mention the morphing plutonic solid visuals at the Rush
> concert. It occurred during 3 songs, they had a huge video screen behind
> them on stage. There was another visual of a 6 armed goddess that was
> waving her arms around to the music and out of her fingers were spiraling
> DNA, which looked to become more complex as the song progressed. I believe
> the goddess emerged out of two plutonic solids that combined in the middle
> of the screen.
>
> Take care,
> Mark
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