Golden rule

[doomstars]

do not unto others as you would not want done unto you.
or whatever it is.
basically, this works the best for a rule in my opinion.
it works in many ways.
and i think it's self explanatory when you think about it.

[sol72us]

--- in asc2k@y..., "doomstars" <doomstars@y...> wrote:
> do not unto others as you would not want done unto you.
> or whatever it is.
> basically, this works the best for a rule in my opinion.
> it works in many ways.
> and i think it's self explanatory when you think about it.

"do not do unto ourselves as we,
would not want to do unto ourselves."
we are explaining that our synchronicity
here is giving emphasis to our separation-istic
language and our past and future tenses.

"the one who has the gold, makes the rule..."

together now,
pat

[doomstars]

--- in asc2k@y..., "sol72us" <sol72us@y...> wrote:
> --- in asc2k@y..., "doomstars" <doomstars@y...> wrote:
> > do not unto others as you would not want done unto you.
> > or whatever it is.
> > basically, this works the best for a rule in my opinion.
> > it works in many ways.
> > and i think it's self explanatory when you think about it.
>
> "do not do unto ourselves as we,
> would not want to do unto ourselves."
> we are explaining that our synchronicity
> here is giving emphasis to our separation-istic
> language and our past and future tenses.
>
> "the one who has the gold, makes the rule..."
>
> together now,
> pat

[doomstars]

one who accepts the gold accepts the rule.


--- in asc2k@y..., "sol72us" <sol72us@y...> wrote:
> --- in asc2k@y..., "doomstars" <doomstars@y...> wrote:
> > do not unto others as you would not want done unto you.
> > or whatever it is.
> > basically, this works the best for a rule in my opinion.
> > it works in many ways.
> > and i think it's self explanatory when you think about it.
>
> "do not do unto ourselves as we,
> would not want to do unto ourselves."
> we are explaining that our synchronicity
> here is giving emphasis to our separation-istic
> language and our past and future tenses.
>
> "the one who has the gold, makes the rule..."
>
> together now,
> pat

[sol72us]

--- in asc2k@y..., "doomstars" <doomstars@y...> wrote:
> one who accepts the gold accepts the rule.
>
we are accepting our gold; we are accepting our rule.

[doomstars]

by the way, i hope i am posting correctly now.
anyways, wouldn't it anger the u.s. government if everyone suddenly
decided to barter goods instead of using u.s. currency? what are they
going to do, go out and take 8% of the product each time it passes
from one hand to another?
joke: one person bartering with another, "here sir, here's a cow. oh
wait, have to pay taxes. let me take this knife, and cut off a slice
first." cow goes, "mooooo!"

--- in asc2k@y..., "sol72us" <sol72us@y...> wrote:
> --- in asc2k@y..., "doomstars" <doomstars@y...> wrote:
> > one who accepts the gold accepts the rule.
> >
> we are accepting our gold; we are accepting our rule.

[Zoe]

what if you were to turn the golden rule around and
imagine it from the opposite mirror image? it seems to me that it
would go something like this:

may what you wish for others come upon you.

welcome connie. just want to say that the above phrase is terrible and lovely
and i endorse it altogether. i'm sure it's true although grace and forgiveness
may alter its action. i have often thought that the golden rule was truncated
somehow, not fully expressed. it's extremely simple, almost too simple. i
would love to know how the original arimathean language actually puts it. i
think the golden rule fails for so many because, on the surface and in the short
run, at least, we've all had plenty of experiences where we wanted to be treated
with courtesy or respect or love, and so gave that to another, only to not have
them return it. therefore, we may reason, why do it since it doesn't work.

zoe



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[jha_amin]

--- in asc2k@yahoogroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postid=s5s0bezazwicvkia_mxjladf2uhwabgt5kcyn8 7ruubm46tb-dwhmrt4pc3kisyrmd0nzn04mnirz8d5eeisiw), "zoe" <zoe313@p...> wrote:
> i think the golden rule fails for so many because, on the
surface and in the short run, at least, we've all had plenty of
experiences where we wanted to be treated with courtesy or respect
or love, and so gave that to another, only to not have them return
it. therefore, we may reason, why do it since it doesn't work.
>
> zoe
>
>
>
you are correct, zoe. it doesn't work like that.
when you give your love to sts you will recieve nothing in return.

neither fire nor wind, birth nor death can erase our good deeds.
--buddha

[Chris Hamilton]

"zoe" <zoe313@p...> wrote:
> > we wanted to be treated with courtesy or respect
> or love, and so gave that to another, only to not have them return
> it. therefore, we may reason, why do it since it doesn't work. >
> > zoe
> >
"frm" wrote:
> you are correct, zoe. it doesn't work like that.
> when you give your love to sts you will recieve nothing in return.

chris writes:
i think that we bring into our lives other individuals who can help us learn
our life lessons. i don't think it has anything to do with sts or sto. when
one has learned love and understanding, that is what comes into your life.
when one has suppressed anger, unhappiness, unresolved anything negative, it
will attract individuals who will help you experience it until you 'get it'
one way or another. just because you help others doesn't mean others will
help you, not if you are withdrawn inside.

and , we all have both polarities, sto and sts within us. frm is creating
some kind of huge monster everytime sts is mentioned: this bigger than life
monster none of us want to know. nonsense-we all have sts within each and
every one of us. that's ok frm, humans do that all the time. i think it is
called anthropomorfication? we make something theoretical and humanize it so
we can understand it with our senses :) now there are some pure sts
critters,but very few. my response was based on average human interaction
here.

[jha_amin]

--- in asc2k@yahoogroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postid=rilasz23verlpppsqonmaytyoo4pcrnkhnx5n0 fllv9voibsxdyijaxkeskobo-8tetlviflvdspuipo), "chris hamilton"
<chris.hamilton2@v...> wrote:

without disagreeing with you and
instead of calling on my modest allotment of grey matter, i will use
my cut and paste talents and a brain much greater than mine.
isn't the net wonderful. (and the speilling will be ok too) ;)

yin yang


under heaven all can see beauty as beauty only because there is
ugliness.
all can know good as good only because there is evil.

therefore having and not having arise together.
difficult and easy complement each other.
long and short contrast each other;
high and low rest upon each other;
voice and sound harmonize each other;
front and back follow one another.

therefore the sage goes about doing nothing, teaching no-talking.
the myriad of things rise and fall without cease,
creating, yet not possessing,
working, yet not taking credit.
work is done, then forgotten.
therefor it lasts forever.

- tao te ching [2]

"yin yang is the way of heaven and earth, the fundamental principle
of the myriad things, the father and mother of change and
transformation, the root of inception and destruction."
- su-wen

[Johnny]

in principle, yin yang suggests that one reaps, one will sow, which
is very consistent with the golden rule. but unlike the golden rule,
however, yin yang can not account for love; since love (always) is.
love incorporates all, has all/no polarity, has perfect balance, and
has no counterpart.

peace & love, john

> yin yang
>
> therefore having and not having arise together.
> difficult and easy complement each other.
> long and short contrast each other;
> high and low rest upon each other;
> voice and sound harmonize each other;
> front and back follow one another.
>
> therefore the sage goes about doing nothing, teaching no-talking.
> the myriad of things rise and fall without cease,
> creating, yet not possessing,
> working, yet not taking credit.
> work is done, then forgotten.
> therefor it lasts forever.
>
> - tao te ching [2]
>
> "yin yang is the way of heaven and earth, the fundamental principle
> of the myriad things, the father and mother of change and
> transformation, the root of inception and destruction."
> - su-wen

[Chris Hamilton]

> love incorporates all, has all/no polarity, has perfect balance, and
> has no counterpart.>
> peace & love, john

very nice johnny pi chris

[jha_amin]

--- in asc2k@yahoogroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postid=6nup30tt3s4m1nvlz3jk1p9nmmvi5lfsgdymv8 aqyi0nkspaxfykq4ctiu1cywosxlwyeut9v7vogpc), "johnny <johnnypi@y...>"
<johnnypi@y...> wrote:
> in principle, yin yang suggests that one reaps, one will sow,
which
> is very consistent with the golden rule. but unlike the golden
rule,
> however, yin yang can not account for love; since love (always)
is.
> love incorporates all, has all/no polarity, has perfect balance,
and
> has no counterpart.
>
> peace & love, john
>
>
i woulld agree with you, john.
my question would be, where, exactly, does one learn love?

all the words that exist, spoken or written, will not cause a person
to love. logically, love must come from within.
no doubt it eminates from that spark of god in each of us. (our soul)

maybe it can be learned by close observation and concentration in a
clinical sense.
i doubt it, though. not much science or education involved in love.

family units are usually bonded by a type of love, but these same
units often will have no love for anyone outside of the the family,
or forgivness if someone in the family violates the unwritten moral
code.

the word "love" is used often, almost cheapened wilth overuse, with
few realizing the full meaning or using it in a sincere fashiion. it
is the way of our culture.

one of the most beautiful descriptions of love is written by st
paul, a rather suprising saint to speak of love in such terms.
he always came off as kind of a grouch to me and i never much cared
for his dry writings.

paul to the corinthians, chapter 13. (amplified, zondervan)


if i speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, i
am only a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal.

and if i have prophetic powers - that is, the gift of interpreting
the divine will and purpose; and understand all the secret truths
and mysteries and possess all knowledge, and if i have faith so that
i can remove mountains, but have not love i am nothing - a useless
nobody.

even if i dole out all that i have to give food to the poor, and if
i surrender my body to be burned, but have not love, i gain nothing.

love endures long and is patient and kind; love never is envious nor
boils over with jealousy; is not boastful or vainglorious, does not
display itself haughtily.

it is not conceited - arrogant and inflated with pride; it is not
rude, and does not act unbecomingly. love does not insist on its own
rights or its own way, for it is not self-seeking; it is not touchy
or fretful or resentful; it takes no account of the evil done to it -
pays no attention to a suffered wrong.

it does not rejoice at injustice and unrighteousness, but rejoices
when right and truth prevail.

love bears up under anything and everything that comes, is ever
ready to believe the best of every person, its hopes are fadeless
under all circumstance and it endures everything without weakening.

love never fails - never fades out or becomes obsolete or comes to
an end. as for prophecy, it will be fulfilled and pass away; as for
tongues, they will be destroyed and cease; as for knowledge, it will
be superseded by truth.

for our knowledge is fragmentary and our prophecy is fragmentary.

but when the complete and perfect comes, the incomplete and
imperfect will vanish away - become antiquated, void and superseded.

when i was a child, i talked like a child, i thought like a child, i
reasoned like a child; now that i have become a man, i am done with
childish ways and have put them aside.

for now we are looking in a mirror that gives only a dim reflection
of reality as in a riddle or an enigma, but then, when perfection
comes, we shall see in reality and face to face! now i know in part;
but then i shall know and understand fully and clearly, even in the
same manner as i have been fully and clearly known and understood by
god.

and so, faith, hope, love abide; these three, but the greatest of
these is love.

[Tofu Dragon]

just wanted to mention i was reading a neal donald
walshe book recently where he mentioned in there....

do to yourself as you would do to others.

this seems like a reverse of the golden rule. we
often forget to treat ourselves with the love and
respect that we give to others. =)

love and light
- lovie

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