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Jeremy Weiland
05-08-2001, 01:18 PM
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><font face="arial" size="2">nathan,</font>
><font face="arial" size="2"> there are plenty of people on this list who are more knowledgeable than i that i'm positive would be happy to help you. they certainly have helped me a great deal. of course, feel free to ask me and the entire list any questions. i know i'll be posting a lot of questions to the list! i mean, that's what we're all here for, right?</font>
><font face="arial" size="2">take care,</font>
><font face="arial" size="2"> jeremy</font>
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style="background: #e4e4e4; font: 10pt arial; font-color: black">from: david wilcock (djw333@exis.net)
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style="font: 10pt arial">sent: tuesday, may 08, 2001 3:22 pm
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>

><font face="arial" size="2">jeremy may be able to help you out if i'm not immediately able to... i think we'd all learn from discussing some well-placed questions on ra.</font>
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><font face="arial" size="2">peace be with you -</font>
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><font face="arial" size="2">- david</font>
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style="background: #e4e4e4; font: 10pt arial; font-color: black">from: david bowie (memorysurplus@hotmail.com)
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style="font: 10pt arial">sent: sunday, may 06, 2001 2:00 pm
style="font: 10pt arial">subject: re: [asc2k] nietzsche
>
<tt>hey all,

i'm not usually one to ask for help but i'm very interested in learning more
about these subjects. i have cognitive disabilities and its hard for me to
read the larger language in the ra section of the website and understand it.

i first heard about your group on the art bell show. my goal is to better
understand these different enrgies and how to controll my own. i dont know
if that makes sense or not, i'm not very good with words.

i dont expect you all to translate the whole ra thing.. but if i have
questions when trying to go through it all can i ask questions?

lol... thanks

nathan


>from: "david wilcock" <djw333@exis.net>
>reply-to: asc2k@yahoogroups.com
>to: <asc2k@yahoogroups.com>
>subject: re: [asc2k] nietzsche
>date: sun, 6 may 2001 00:51:02 -0400
>
>now wait... before all our ra newbies get the wrong idea, the law of one
>series says a number of times that even in the case of negative entities,
>you should "wish them well" even as you are 'rejecting their service as not
>being useful for your path at this time.'
>
>thanks for digging up some info for us.
>
>- david
> ----- original message -----
> from: jeremy weiland
> to: asc2k@yahoogroups.com
> sent: saturday, may 05, 2001 11:52 pm
> subject: [asc2k] nietzsche
>
>
> hey, interesting story... hope he turned out all right. it's funny,
>but i had a similar experience with a friend of mine. he was a big
>environmentalist (and very talented musician) who all the sudden, after me
>introducing him to libertarianism, started raving and ranting about
>combining the two ideas and how he was gonna start a business that would
>save the earth and wrote mass e-mails to the whole campus about how
>important it was and that you should smoke weed and support hemp and all
>sorts of stuff. parents came for him and he was whisked off to the loony
>bin and they put him on heavy drugs... never was comfortable with the
>situation, and don't like the way his parents handled it, but i'm gonna
>visit him this summer so at least he's alright now. i guess people just
>have certain things that they need to go through, and they play their role
>and you play yours and there it is.
>
> this whole thing about the "uebermenschen" is really just a bunch of
>nazi propaganda and has nothing to do with what nietzsche actually meant.
>the idea of a "superman" was (way i see it) a person who had integrated all
>his experiences and was a conquerer of self. the nazis reinterpreted this
>to mean a class of humans that were already at this point by virtue of
>simple genetics. here's some quotes from some of his books that i found
>that really drive it home:
>
> "i teach you the overman (uebermensch). man is something to be
>overcome."
> (thus spake zarathustra, prologue, ch 3)
>
> "to those human beings who are of any concern to me i wish suffering,
>desolation, sickness, ill-treatment, indignities - i wish that they should
>not remain unfamiliar with profound self-contempt, the torture of
>self-mistrust, the wretchedness of the vanquished: i have no pity for them,
>because i wish them the only thing that can prove today whether one is
>worth anything or not - that one endures."
> (the will to power, p 481)
>
>
> the second quote seems a tad bit evil, but isn't this what we really are
>doing to ourselves? going through all sorts of suffering, but there's a
>purpose. to me, it sounds like another interpretation of the ra material -
>we're here to discover our potential. also sounds a lot like ayn rand, for
>whom i have a great deal of respect.
>
> this gives me a great idea! who are you guys' favorite philosophers?
>group sharing time!!!! lol
>
> all right, take care guys,
> jeremy
> -----original message-----from: david wilcock <djw333@exis.net>
> to: asc2k@yahoogroups.com <asc2k@yahoogroups.com>
> date: saturday, may 05, 2001 9:08 pm
> subject: re: [asc2k] thanks david and new group
>
>
> when i was a freshman in college, a guy i called "crazy larry" (which
>is a pejorative term i know, i'm just being honest with you) was really
>into nietzsche and made my life a living hell... i think he gravitated to
>me because we were both deep thinkers. he was convinced that he was
>becoming an "overman" and used to talk too often about how the german navy
>would wear black underwear that they didn't change for an entire month and
>called it "the whore's underpants" because of the smell... yes, disgusting.
>
> he was a walking dictionary of information about military and wars,
>yet he had long hair, constantly had a cigarette and coffee and had hippie
>ideologies in other ways with his own armada of tie-dyes hidden under the
>black navy peacoat that he wore in warm weather. he used to smoke
>cigarettes in my room, stay up all night wandering the halls and thinking
>deep thoughts (because he had transcended sleep) and was constantly trying
>to analytically figure out how to fuse the "military" and "hippie" parts of
>himself together. we had long conversations about this... and i told him
>that the key was self-acceptance.
>
> i tried to help him regain mental health by encouraging him to sleep
>and stay in dark rooms at night even if he wasn't tired. he ended up being
>placed in a facility in california after the end of that year, also after
>smashing all his belongings in his room. it turns out that this place was a
>christian establishment, and with the help of psychotropic medications and
>a huge amount of guilt, he went fundamentalist and was released. then he
>came back, called me up to visit and tried to convince me that i was going
>to hell in my sophomore year! the song "you're so right" was written in his
>honor... i don't remember whether that's one of the ones in the music
>section online or not. i think it is there, actually.
>
> he told the people at the facility that he 'couldn't stop screaming'
>and they gave him navane, which essentially turned him into a flat-liner...
> :) i did recommend that he demand a lighter medication after i
>researched it and saw what it did... essentially a "chemical straight
>jacket for the mind." he told me that he didn't even want to get out of bed
>long enough to go to the store, he just sat and smoked all day in bed. i
>think getting off that navane did help him... the second time he came to
>"visit" me ended in disaster, at the beginning of my junior year... he
>overstayed his welcome and i had to stand up to him and tell him that i was
>sorry but i wasn't going to let him stay in my room past the time i had
>agreed to. applying wisdom in these situations is never easy.... :)
>
> so let's say i was 'front loaded.' actually other than larry i don't
>know much of nietzsche... i just didn't want to make recommendations after
>seeing what happened to larry when he was reading it all the time. but
>then, this is not a direct assessment... so if you know anything more i'd
>be glad to hear it.
>
> peace be with you -
>
> - david
> ----- original message -----
> from: jeremy weiland
> to: asc2k@yahoogroups.com
> sent: saturday, may 05, 2001 7:59 pm
> subject: re: [asc2k] thanks david and new group
>
>
> just out of curiosity, david, what do you have against
>nietzsche? i thought he had a few spiritually inclined ideas and he is
>misunderstood since the nazis changed co-opted and perverted his ideas.
> anyone else wanna help me out on this?
> later,
> jeremy
> -----original message-----
> from: david wilcock <djw333@exis.net>
> to: asc2k@yahoogroups.com <asc2k@yahoogroups.com>
> date: saturday, may 05, 2001 6:23 pm
> subject: re: [asc2k] thanks david and new group
>
>
> wow! coming from you korga that's a great compliment. i had
>started to feel that "vacuum" that has happened in the past when i release
>a major effort and there's a deafening silence... so thank you for the
>comments. i get lots of email and that's grand, i try to answer it as best
>i can, but when someone comments on new releases it means a lot more... i
>know people are seeing it but still... :)
>
> compared to shift of the ages, this is a friggin' brick house. and
>yes, in "vedic yoga, seth and multidimensional cosmology" there's a whole
>section on "create your own reality."
>
> now i've got to get up the energy to pump out the remainder of
>it... and that's the part that will really sock it to 'em in one thundering
>moment at the end, as the whole kit and kaboodle comes together. most of
>this end section is written (probably 3/5 or more of it, just in scattered
>fragments of writing) and the unwritten parts are relatively known in terms
>of where we're going. i'm still woefully overtired in my recovery from the
>all-day and all-nighter that i pulled monday... i was so "juiced" after
>having the focused spiritual energy of five million people pouring into my
>mortal coil that i literally felt like the "ubermensch" of nietzsche and
>felt no need for sleep... (btw i do not recommend nietzsche, that's a
>joke... :)
>
> now i'm paying. hard. so if anyone else would like to 'pay a
>tithe' for my efforts by your feedback and comments i'd be delighted. right
>now i'm still watching dvds to calm back down and reset my brain.
>
> i can assure you that this book is solid gold and eventually will
>be seen as a classic work of science and spirit... undoubtedly it could
>have as much of an effect on society as the cayce readings once did.
>
> peace be with you -
>
> - david
> ----- original message -----
> from: korga@hotmail.com
> to: asc2k@yahoogroups.com
> sent: saturday, may 05, 2001 12:37 pm
> subject: [asc2k] thanks david and new group
>
>
> i've begun printing out ciii and four chapters into it i am
>absolutely amazed. you've done amazing work here
> david. unfortunately the ink on my printer ran out so i
>couldn't print out everything yet but of what i've read so
> far it is absolutely beautiful. i don't have any yet but i hope
>you and everyone here are open for questions and
> discussion as we get through the material.
>
> incidently there is also a new group forming for those
>interested:
>
> there is a new group forming at
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/visualearth/
>
> visualize a new earth
>
>
> the point of this group is to
>bring those souls together who recognizing these as
> times of change. the basic
>belief is that what we are experiencing the
> manifestation of the global
>consciousness as it goes through its final growing
> pains. as with any adolescence
>what is needed at this time is guidance and
> clarification of the goals. it
>is consciousness and only consciousness which will
> determine what the future will
>be. this group aims to work toward a vision of our
> future world so as to positively
>move consciousness toward a universal destiny.
>
> what we are trying to do here is
>identify a conscious solution not a technological
> solution. what is at work here
>are spiritual influences and these simply cannot
> be altered by physical means.
>we must solve our spiritual problems with spiritual
> answers. we cannot escape into
>spirituality however, as the physical will not just
> disappear. whatever we create
>on the spiritual plane will manifest into a physical
> reality. but in order for it
>to combat against the spiritual process now in the
> making it must be a strong
>concentrated effort of consciousness.. this space is
> created that we may share our
>insights in this matter so that our efforts are
> unified toward that conscious
>solution. these are indeed changing times and
> each and every person must
>choose which part they will play.
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David Bowie
05-08-2001, 01:59 PM
i read the first page of ra and got some of it sunk in :)

just have a question about the energies... i listen to the art bell show
almost every night and dont know what to believe.

people come on there that say they can see gosts all the time, heal people,
see visions, and see what the future is.

just wanted a better def of this energy. what is it?

if any of this makes sence let me know.

:)

-nathan


>from: "jeremy weiland" <jweiland@... (/group/asc2k/post?postid=plwecgwvtul0gqz9pduridoel6mrpfbqyncshx 5gybf8k2y1yfugb0kziyomwfvbzbpvd5sj0aev5j8)>
>reply-to: asc2k@yahoogroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postid=bnvpvbjgjuc03pxy_do4di710m43rfafcieh-fp6swxhvftt5n6uagwiolbxiko8i6h6jla4fydpdvid)
>to: <asc2k@yahoogroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postid=bnvpvbjgjuc03pxy_do4di710m43rfafcieh-fp6swxhvftt5n6uagwiolbxiko8i6h6jla4fydpdvid)>
>subject: [asc2k] help w/ ciii
>date: tue, 8 may 2001 16:18:08 -0400
>
>nathan,
> there are plenty of people on this list who are more knowledgeable
>than i that i'm positive would be happy to help you. they certainly have
>helped me a great deal. of course, feel free to ask me and the entire list
>any questions. i know i'll be posting a lot of questions to the list! i
>mean, that's what we're all here for, right?
>take care,
> jeremy
> ----- original message -----
> from: david wilcock
> to: asc2k@yahoogroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postid=bnvpvbjgjuc03pxy_do4di710m43rfafcieh-fp6swxhvftt5n6uagwiolbxiko8i6h6jla4fydpdvid)
> sent: tuesday, may 08, 2001 3:22 pm
> subject: re: [asc2k] nietzsche
>
>
> jeremy may be able to help you out if i'm not immediately able to... i
>think we'd all learn from discussing some well-placed questions on ra.
>
> peace be with you -
>
> - david
> ----- original message -----
> from: david bowie
> to: asc2k@yahoogroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postid=bnvpvbjgjuc03pxy_do4di710m43rfafcieh-fp6swxhvftt5n6uagwiolbxiko8i6h6jla4fydpdvid)
> sent: sunday, may 06, 2001 2:00 pm
> subject: re: [asc2k] nietzsche
>
>
> hey all,
>
> i'm not usually one to ask for help but i'm very interested in
>learning more
> about these subjects. i have cognitive disabilities and its hard for
>me to
> read the larger language in the ra section of the website and
>understand it.
>
> i first heard about your group on the art bell show. my goal is to
>better
> understand these different enrgies and how to controll my own. i dont
>know
> if that makes sense or not, i'm not very good with words.
>
> i dont expect you all to translate the whole ra thing.. but if i have
> questions when trying to go through it all can i ask questions?
>
> lol... thanks
>
> nathan
>
>
> >from: "david wilcock" <djw333@... (/group/asc2k/post?postid=sci_rjmzx3uynwfg0tqll8ybo7ayy4tusbli3e 9wsenfmtpkix7x47bzwldawvi3addgwndnra)>
> >reply-to: asc2k@yahoogroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postid=bnvpvbjgjuc03pxy_do4di710m43rfafcieh-fp6swxhvftt5n6uagwiolbxiko8i6h6jla4fydpdvid)
> >to: <asc2k@yahoogroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postid=bnvpvbjgjuc03pxy_do4di710m43rfafcieh-fp6swxhvftt5n6uagwiolbxiko8i6h6jla4fydpdvid)>
> >subject: re: [asc2k] nietzsche
> >date: sun, 6 may 2001 00:51:02 -0400
> >
> >now wait... before all our ra newbies get the wrong idea, the law of
>one
> >series says a number of times that even in the case of negative
>entities,
> >you should "wish them well" even as you are 'rejecting their service
>as not
> >being useful for your path at this time.'
> >
> >thanks for digging up some info for us.
> >
> >- david
> > ----- original message -----
> > from: jeremy weiland
> > to: asc2k@yahoogroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postid=bnvpvbjgjuc03pxy_do4di710m43rfafcieh-fp6swxhvftt5n6uagwiolbxiko8i6h6jla4fydpdvid)
> > sent: saturday, may 05, 2001 11:52 pm
> > subject: [asc2k] nietzsche
> >
> >
> > hey, interesting story... hope he turned out all right. it's
>funny,
> >but i had a similar experience with a friend of mine. he was a big
> >environmentalist (and very talented musician) who all the sudden,
>after me
> >introducing him to libertarianism, started raving and ranting about
> >combining the two ideas and how he was gonna start a business that
>would
> >save the earth and wrote mass e-mails to the whole campus about how
> >important it was and that you should smoke weed and support hemp and
>all
> >sorts of stuff. parents came for him and he was whisked off to the
>loony
> >bin and they put him on heavy drugs... never was comfortable with the
> >situation, and don't like the way his parents handled it, but i'm
>gonna
> >visit him this summer so at least he's alright now. i guess people
>just
> >have certain things that they need to go through, and they play their
>role
> >and you play yours and there it is.
> >
> > this whole thing about the "uebermenschen" is really just a
>bunch of
> >nazi propaganda and has nothing to do with what nietzsche actually
>meant.
> >the idea of a "superman" was (way i see it) a person who had
>integrated all
> >his experiences and was a conquerer of self. the nazis reinterpreted
>this
> >to mean a class of humans that were already at this point by virtue
>of
> >simple genetics. here's some quotes from some of his books that i
>found
> >that really drive it home:
> >
> > "i teach you the overman (uebermensch). man is something to be
> >overcome."
> > (thus spake zarathustra, prologue, ch 3)
> >
> > "to those human beings who are of any concern to me i wish
>suffering,
> >desolation, sickness, ill-treatment, indignities - i wish that they
>should
> >not remain unfamiliar with profound self-contempt, the torture of
> >self-mistrust, the wretchedness of the vanquished: i have no pity for
>them,
> >because i wish them the only thing that can prove today whether one
>is
> >worth anything or not - that one endures."
> > (the will to power, p 481)
> >
> >
> > the second quote seems a tad bit evil, but isn't this what we
>really are
> >doing to ourselves? going through all sorts of suffering, but
>there's a
> >purpose. to me, it sounds like another interpretation of the ra
>material -
> >we're here to discover our potential. also sounds a lot like ayn
>rand, for
> >whom i have a great deal of respect.
> >
> > this gives me a great idea! who are you guys' favorite
>philosophers?
> >group sharing time!!!! lol
> >
> > all right, take care guys,
> > jeremy
> > -----original message-----from: david wilcock <djw333@... (/group/asc2k/post?postid=sci_rjmzx3uynwfg0tqll8ybo7ayy4tusbli3e 9wsenfmtpkix7x47bzwldawvi3addgwndnra)>
> > to: asc2k@yahoogroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postid=bnvpvbjgjuc03pxy_do4di710m43rfafcieh-fp6swxhvftt5n6uagwiolbxiko8i6h6jla4fydpdvid) <asc2k@yahoogroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postid=bnvpvbjgjuc03pxy_do4di710m43rfafcieh-fp6swxhvftt5n6uagwiolbxiko8i6h6jla4fydpdvid)>
> > date: saturday, may 05, 2001 9:08 pm
> > subject: re: [asc2k] thanks david and new group
> >
> >
> > when i was a freshman in college, a guy i called "crazy larry"
>(which
> >is a pejorative term i know, i'm just being honest with you) was
>really
> >into nietzsche and made my life a living hell... i think he
>gravitated to
> >me because we were both deep thinkers. he was convinced that he was
> >becoming an "overman" and used to talk too often about how the german
>navy
> >would wear black underwear that they didn't change for an entire
>month and
> >called it "the whore's underpants" because of the smell... yes,
>disgusting.
> >
> > he was a walking dictionary of information about military and
>wars,
> >yet he had long hair, constantly had a cigarette and coffee and had
>hippie
> >ideologies in other ways with his own armada of tie-dyes hidden under
>the
> >black navy peacoat that he wore in warm weather. he used to smoke
> >cigarettes in my room, stay up all night wandering the halls and
>thinking
> >deep thoughts (because he had transcended sleep) and was constantly
>trying
> >to analytically figure out how to fuse the "military" and "hippie"
>parts of
> >himself together. we had long conversations about this... and i told
>him
> >that the key was self-acceptance.
> >
> > i tried to help him regain mental health by encouraging him to
>sleep
> >and stay in dark rooms at night even if he wasn't tired. he ended up
>being
> >placed in a facility in california after the end of that year, also
>after
> >smashing all his belongings in his room. it turns out that this place
>was a
> >christian establishment, and with the help of psychotropic
>medications and
> >a huge amount of guilt, he went fundamentalist and was released. then
>he
> >came back, called me up to visit and tried to convince me that i was
>going
> >to hell in my sophomore year! the song "you're so right" was written
>in his
> >honor... i don't remember whether that's one of the ones in the music
> >section online or not. i think it is there, actually.
> >
> > he told the people at the facility that he 'couldn't stop
>screaming'
> >and they gave him navane, which essentially turned him into a
>flat-liner...
> > :) i did recommend that he demand a lighter medication after i
> >researched it and saw what it did... essentially a "chemical straight
> >jacket for the mind." he told me that he didn't even want to get out
>of bed
> >long enough to go to the store, he just sat and smoked all day in
>bed. i
> >think getting off that navane did help him... the second time he came
>to
> >"visit" me ended in disaster, at the beginning of my junior year...
>he
> >overstayed his welcome and i had to stand up to him and tell him that
>i was
> >sorry but i wasn't going to let him stay in my room past the time i
>had
> >agreed to. applying wisdom in these situations is never easy.... :)
> >
> > so let's say i was 'front loaded.' actually other than larry i
>don't
> >know much of nietzsche... i just didn't want to make recommendations
>after
> >seeing what happened to larry when he was reading it all the time.
>but
> >then, this is not a direct assessment... so if you know anything more
>i'd
> >be glad to hear it.
> >
> > peace be with you -
> >
> > - david
> > ----- original message -----
> > from: jeremy weiland
> > to: asc2k@yahoogroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postid=bnvpvbjgjuc03pxy_do4di710m43rfafcieh-fp6swxhvftt5n6uagwiolbxiko8i6h6jla4fydpdvid)
> > sent: saturday, may 05, 2001 7:59 pm
> > subject: re: [asc2k] thanks david and new group
> >
> >
> > just out of curiosity, david, what do you have against
> >nietzsche? i thought he had a few spiritually inclined ideas and he
>is
> >misunderstood since the nazis changed co-opted and perverted his
>ideas.
> > anyone else wanna help me out on this?
> > later,
> > jeremy
> > -----original message-----
> > from: david wilcock <djw333@... (/group/asc2k/post?postid=sci_rjmzx3uynwfg0tqll8ybo7ayy4tusbli3e 9wsenfmtpkix7x47bzwldawvi3addgwndnra)>
> > to: asc2k@yahoogroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postid=bnvpvbjgjuc03pxy_do4di710m43rfafcieh-fp6swxhvftt5n6uagwiolbxiko8i6h6jla4fydpdvid) <asc2k@yahoogroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postid=bnvpvbjgjuc03pxy_do4di710m43rfafcieh-fp6swxhvftt5n6uagwiolbxiko8i6h6jla4fydpdvid)>
> > date: saturday, may 05, 2001 6:23 pm
> > subject: re: [asc2k] thanks david and new group
> >
> >
> > wow! coming from you korga that's a great compliment. i had
> >started to feel that "vacuum" that has happened in the past when i
>release
> >a major effort and there's a deafening silence... so thank you for
>the
> >comments. i get lots of email and that's grand, i try to answer it as
>best
> >i can, but when someone comments on new releases it means a lot
>more... i
> >know people are seeing it but still... :)
> >
> > compared to shift of the ages, this is a friggin' brick
>house. and
> >yes, in "vedic yoga, seth and multidimensional cosmology" there's a
>whole
> >section on "create your own reality."
> >
> > now i've got to get up the energy to pump out the remainder
>of
> >it... and that's the part that will really sock it to 'em in one
>thundering
> >moment at the end, as the whole kit and kaboodle comes together. most
>of
> >this end section is written (probably 3/5 or more of it, just in
>scattered
> >fragments of writing) and the unwritten parts are relatively known in
>terms
> >of where we're going. i'm still woefully overtired in my recovery
>from the
> >all-day and all-nighter that i pulled monday... i was so "juiced"
>after
> >having the focused spiritual energy of five million people pouring
>into my
> >mortal coil that i literally felt like the "ubermensch" of nietzsche
>and
> >felt no need for sleep... (btw i do not recommend nietzsche, that's a
> >joke... :)
> >
> > now i'm paying. hard. so if anyone else would like to 'pay a
> >tithe' for my efforts by your feedback and comments i'd be delighted.
>right
> >now i'm still watching dvds to calm back down and reset my brain.
> >
> > i can assure you that this book is solid gold and eventually
>will
> >be seen as a classic work of science and spirit... undoubtedly it
>could
> >have as much of an effect on society as the cayce readings once did.
> >
> > peace be with you -
> >
> > - david
> > ----- original message -----
> > from: korga@... (/group/asc2k/post?postid=wmsy5idnuyt7rpupyfegdclqb0lxi7160psk5b rw7vq1hgb0g6s3baxkkii0ta2sgliyw7ovmsazrq)
> > to: asc2k@yahoogroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postid=bnvpvbjgjuc03pxy_do4di710m43rfafcieh-fp6swxhvftt5n6uagwiolbxiko8i6h6jla4fydpdvid)
> > sent: saturday, may 05, 2001 12:37 pm
> > subject: [asc2k] thanks david and new group
> >
> >
> > i've begun printing out ciii and four chapters into it i
>am
> >absolutely amazed. you've done amazing work here
> > david. unfortunately the ink on my printer ran out so i
> >couldn't print out everything yet but of what i've read so
> > far it is absolutely beautiful. i don't have any yet but
>i hope
> >you and everyone here are open for questions and
> > discussion as we get through the material.
> >
> > incidently there is also a new group forming for those
> >interested:
> >
> > there is a new group forming at
> >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/visualearth/
> >
> > visualize a new earth
> >
> >
> > the point of this group is
>to
> >bring those souls together who recognizing these as
> > times of change. the
>basic
> >belief is that what we are experiencing the
> > manifestation of the
>global
> >consciousness as it goes through its final growing
> > pains. as with any
>adolescence
> >what is needed at this time is guidance and
> > clarification of the
>goals. it
> >is consciousness and only consciousness which will
> > determine what the future
>will
> >be. this group aims to work toward a vision of our
> > future world so as to
>positively
> >move consciousness toward a universal destiny.
> >
> > what we are trying to do
>here is
> >identify a conscious solution not a technological
> > solution. what is at
>work here
> >are spiritual influences and these simply cannot
> > be altered by physical
>means.
> >we must solve our spiritual problems with spiritual
> > answers. we cannot
>escape into
> >spirituality however, as the physical will not just
> > disappear. whatever we
>create
> >on the spiritual plane will manifest into a physical
> > reality. but in order
>for it
> >to combat against the spiritual process now in the
> > making it must be a strong
> >concentrated effort of consciousness.. this space is
> > created that we may share
>our
> >insights in this matter so that our efforts are
> > unified toward that
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> > each and every person must
> >choose which part they will play.
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05-10-2001, 06:18 AM
<table bgcolor="#ffffff">
><font face="arial" size="2">well, if i hadn't already started reading ciii, i would have scratched my head and wondered w/ you. however, from my understanding, you have to imagine that there is a substance that permeates all space and matter that has energy flowing through it, just as science recognizes that visible matter does. i believe that this is the energy that allows such phenomena to manifest.this whole energy is explained very well in ciii, but i think if you're juststarting on this that the ra material is a good place to start - just keep your understading of this energy abstract, waiting for a full clarification and definition in ciii. or you can hope over to the website and read the first 2-3 chapters and get your explanation right there.</font>
><font face="arial" size="2"> guys, please help me out if i'm mistaken in my explanation.</font>
><font face="arial" size="2">later,</font>
><font face="arial" size="2"> jeremy</font>
<blockquote style="border-left: #000000 2px solid; margin-left: 5px; margin-right: 0px; padding-left: 5px; padding-right: 0px">
style="font: 10pt arial">----- original message -----
style="background: #e4e4e4; font: 10pt arial; font-color: black">from: david bowie (memorysurplus@hotmail.com)
style="font: 10pt arial">to: asc2k@yahoogroups.com
style="font: 10pt arial">sent: tuesday, may 08, 2001 4:59 pm
style="font: 10pt arial">subject: re: [asc2k] help w/ ciii
>
<tt>i read the first page of ra and got some of it sunk in :)

just have a question about the energies... i listen to the art bell show
almost every night and dont know what to believe.

people come on there that say they can see gosts all the time, heal people,
see visions, and see what the future is.

just wanted a better def of this energy. what is it?

if any of this makes sence let me know.

:)

-nathan


>from: "jeremy weiland" <jweiland@nettalon.com>
>reply-to: asc2k@yahoogroups.com
>to: <asc2k@yahoogroups.com>
>subject: [asc2k] help w/ ciii
>date: tue, 8 may 2001 16:18:08 -0400
>
>nathan,
> there are plenty of people on this list who are more knowledgeable
>than i that i'm positive would be happy to help you. they certainly have
>helped me a great deal. of course, feel free to ask me and the entire list
>any questions. i know i'll be posting a lot of questions to the list! i
>mean, that's what we're all here for, right?
>take care,
> jeremy
> ----- original message -----
> from: david wilcock
> to: asc2k@yahoogroups.com
> sent: tuesday, may 08, 2001 3:22 pm
> subject: re: [asc2k] nietzsche
>
>
> jeremy may be able to help you out if i'm not immediately able to... i
>think we'd all learn from discussing some well-placed questions on ra.
>
> peace be with you -
>
> - david
> ----- original message -----
> from: david bowie
> to: asc2k@yahoogroups.com
> sent: sunday, may 06, 2001 2:00 pm
> subject: re: [asc2k] nietzsche
>
>
> hey all,
>
> i'm not usually one to ask for help but i'm very interested in
>learning more
> about these subjects. i have cognitive disabilities and its hard for
>me to
> read the larger language in the ra section of the website and
>understand it.
>
> i first heard about your group on the art bell show. my goal is to
>better
> understand these different enrgies and how to controll my own. i dont
>know
> if that makes sense or not, i'm not very good with words.
>
> i dont expect you all to translate the whole ra thing.. but if i have
> questions when trying to go through it all can i ask questions?
>
> lol... thanks
>
> nathan
>
>
> >from: "david wilcock" <djw333@exis.net>
> >reply-to: asc2k@yahoogroups.com
> >to: <asc2k@yahoogroups.com>
> >subject: re: [asc2k] nietzsche
> >date: sun, 6 may 2001 00:51:02 -0400
> >
> >now wait... before all our ra newbies get the wrong idea, the law of
>one
> >series says a number of times that even in the case of negative
>entities,
> >you should "wish them well" even as you are 'rejecting their service
>as not
> >being useful for your path at this time.'
> >
> >thanks for digging up some info for us.
> >
> >- david
> > ----- original message -----
> > from: jeremy weiland
> > to: asc2k@yahoogroups.com
> > sent: saturday, may 05, 2001 11:52 pm
> > subject: [asc2k] nietzsche
> >
> >
> > hey, interesting story... hope he turned out all right. it's
>funny,
> >but i had a similar experience with a friend of mine. he was a big
> >environmentalist (and very talented musician) who all the sudden,
>after me
> >introducing him to libertarianism, started raving and ranting about
> >combining the two ideas and how he was gonna start a business that
>would
> >save the earth and wrote mass e-mails to the whole campus about how
> >important it was and that you should smoke weed and support hemp and
>all
> >sorts of stuff. parents came for him and he was whisked off to the
>loony
> >bin and they put him on heavy drugs... never was comfortable with the
> >situation, and don't like the way his parents handled it, but i'm
>gonna
> >visit him this summer so at least he's alright now. i guess people
>just
> >have certain things that they need to go through, and they play their
>role
> >and you play yours and there it is.
> >
> > this whole thing about the "uebermenschen" is really just a
>bunch of
> >nazi propaganda and has nothing to do with what nietzsche actually
>meant.
> >the idea of a "superman" was (way i see it) a person who had
>integrated all
> >his experiences and was a conquerer of self. the nazis reinterpreted
>this
> >to mean a class of humans that were already at this point by virtue
>of
> >simple genetics. here's some quotes from some of his books that i
>found
> >that really drive it home:
> >
> > "i teach you the overman (uebermensch). man is something to be
> >overcome."
> > (thus spake zarathustra, prologue, ch 3)
> >
> > "to those human beings who are of any concern to me i wish
>suffering,
> >desolation, sickness, ill-treatment, indignities - i wish that they
>should
> >not remain unfamiliar with profound self-contempt, the torture of
> >self-mistrust, the wretchedness of the vanquished: i have no pity for
>them,
> >because i wish them the only thing that can prove today whether one
>is
> >worth anything or not - that one endures."
> > (the will to power, p 481)
> >
> >
> > the second quote seems a tad bit evil, but isn't this what we
>really are
> >doing to ourselves? going through all sorts of suffering, but
>there's a
> >purpose. to me, it sounds like another interpretation of the ra
>material -
> >we're here to discover our potential. also sounds a lot like ayn
>rand, for
> >whom i have a great deal of respect.
> >
> > this gives me a great idea! who are you guys' favorite
>philosophers?
> >group sharing time!!!! lol
> >
> > all right, take care guys,
> > jeremy
> > -----original message-----from: david wilcock <djw333@exis.net>
> > to: asc2k@yahoogroups.com <asc2k@yahoogroups.com>
> > date: saturday, may 05, 2001 9:08 pm
> > subject: re: [asc2k] thanks david and new group
> >
> >
> > when i was a freshman in college, a guy i called "crazy larry"
>(which
> >is a pejorative term i know, i'm just being honest with you) was
>really
> >into nietzsche and made my life a living hell... i think he
>gravitated to
> >me because we were both deep thinkers. he was convinced that he was
> >becoming an "overman" and used to talk too often about how the german
>navy
> >would wear black underwear that they didn't change for an entire
>month and
> >called it "the whore's underpants" because of the smell... yes,
>disgusting.
> >
> > he was a walking dictionary of information about military and
>wars,
> >yet he had long hair, constantly had a cigarette and coffee and had
>hippie
> >ideologies in other ways with his own armada of tie-dyes hidden under
>the
> >black navy peacoat that he wore in warm weather. he used to smoke
> >cigarettes in my room, stay up all night wandering the halls and
>thinking
> >deep thoughts (because he had transcended sleep) and was constantly
>trying
> >to analytically figure out how to fuse the "military" and "hippie"
>parts of
> >himself together. we had long conversations about this... and i told
>him
> >that the key was self-acceptance.
> >
> > i tried to help him regain mental health by encouraging him to
>sleep
> >and stay in dark rooms at night even if he wasn't tired. he ended up
>being
> >placed in a facility in california after the end of that year, also
>after
> >smashing all his belongings in his room. it turns out that this place
>was a
> >christian establishment, and with the help of psychotropic
>medications and
> >a huge amount of guilt, he went fundamentalist and was released. then
>he
> >came back, called me up to visit and tried to convince me that i was
>going
> >to hell in my sophomore year! the song "you're so right" was written
>in his
> >honor... i don't remember whether that's one of the ones in the music
> >section online or not. i think it is there, actually.
> >
> > he told the people at the facility that he 'couldn't stop
>screaming'
> >and they gave him navane, which essentially turned him into a
>flat-liner...
> > :) i did recommend that he demand a lighter medication after i
> >researched it and saw what it did... essentially a "chemical straight
> >jacket for the mind." he told me that he didn't even want to get out
>of bed
> >long enough to go to the store, he just sat and smoked all day in
>bed. i
> >think getting off that navane did help him... the second time he came
>to
> >"visit" me ended in disaster, at the beginning of my junior year...
>he
> >overstayed his welcome and i had to stand up to him and tell him that
>i was
> >sorry but i wasn't going to let him stay in my room past the time i
>had
> >agreed to. applying wisdom in these situations is never easy.... :)
> >
> > so let's say i was 'front loaded.' actually other than larry i
>don't
> >know much of nietzsche... i just didn't want to make recommendations
>after
> >seeing what happened to larry when he was reading it all the time.
>but
> >then, this is not a direct assessment... so if you know anything more
>i'd
> >be glad to hear it.
> >
> > peace be with you -
> >
> > - david
> > ----- original message -----
> > from: jeremy weiland
> > to: asc2k@yahoogroups.com
> > sent: saturday, may 05, 2001 7:59 pm
> > subject: re: [asc2k] thanks david and new group
> >
> >
> > just out of curiosity, david, what do you have against
> >nietzsche? i thought he had a few spiritually inclined ideas and he
>is
> >misunderstood since the nazis changed co-opted and perverted his
>ideas.
> > anyone else wanna help me out on this?
> > later,
> > jeremy
> > -----original message-----
> > from: david wilcock <djw333@exis.net>
> > to: asc2k@yahoogroups.com <asc2k@yahoogroups.com>
> > date: saturday, may 05, 2001 6:23 pm
> > subject: re: [asc2k] thanks david and new group
> >
> >
> > wow! coming from you korga that's a great compliment. i had
> >started to feel that "vacuum" that has happened in the past when i
>release
> >a major effort and there's a deafening silence... so thank you for
>the
> >comments. i get lots of email and that's grand, i try to answer it as
>best
> >i can, but when someone comments on new releases it means a lot
>more... i
> >know people are seeing it but still... :)
> >
> > compared to shift of the ages, this is a friggin' brick
>house. and
> >yes, in "vedic yoga, seth and multidimensional cosmology" there's a
>whole
> >section on "create your own reality."
> >
> > now i've got to get up the energy to pump out the remainder
>of
> >it... and that's the part that will really sock it to 'em in one
>thundering
> >moment at the end, as the whole kit and kaboodle comes together. most
>of
> >this end section is written (probably 3/5 or more of it, just in
>scattered
> >fragments of writing) and the unwritten parts are relatively known in
>terms
> >of where we're going. i'm still woefully overtired in my recovery
>from the
> >all-day and all-nighter that i pulled monday... i was so "juiced"
>after
> >having the focused spiritual energy of five million people pouring
>into my
> >mortal coil that i literally felt like the "ubermensch" of nietzsche
>and
> >felt no need for sleep... (btw i do not recommend nietzsche, that's a
> >joke... :)
> >
> > now i'm paying. hard. so if anyone else would like to 'pay a
> >tithe' for my efforts by your feedback and comments i'd be delighted.
>right
> >now i'm still watching dvds to calm back down and reset my brain.
> >
> > i can assure you that this book is solid gold and eventually
>will
> >be seen as a classic work of science and spirit... undoubtedly it
>could
> >have as much of an effect on society as the cayce readings once did.
> >
> > peace be with you -
> >
> > - david
> > ----- original message -----
> > from: korga@hotmail.com
> > to: asc2k@yahoogroups.com
> > sent: saturday, may 05, 2001 12:37 pm
> > subject: [asc2k] thanks david and new group
> >
> >
> > i've begun printing out ciii and four chapters into it i
>am
> >absolutely amazed. you've done amazing work here
> > david. unfortunately the ink on my printer ran out so i
> >couldn't print out everything yet but of what i've read so
> > far it is absolutely beautiful. i don't have any yet but
>i hope
> >you and everyone here are open for questions and
> > discussion as we get through the material.
> >
> > incidently there is also a new group forming for those
> >interested:
> >
> > there is a new group forming at
> >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/visualearth/
> >
> > visualize a new earth
> >
> >
> > the point of this group is
>to
> >bring those souls together who recognizing these as
> > times of change. the
>basic
> >belief is that what we are experiencing the
> > manifestation of the
>global
> >consciousness as it goes through its final growing
> > pains. as with any
>adolescence
> >what is needed at this time is guidance and
> > clarification of the
>goals. it
> >is consciousness and only consciousness which will
> > determine what the future
>will
> >be. this group aims to work toward a vision of our
> > future world so as to
>positively
> >move consciousness toward a universal destiny.
> >
> > what we are trying to do
>here is
> >identify a conscious solution not a technological
> > solution. what is at
>work here
> >are spiritual influences and these simply cannot
> > be altered by physical
>means.
> >we must solve our spiritual problems with spiritual
> > answers. we cannot
>escape into
> >spirituality however, as the physical will not just
> > disappear. whatever we
>create
> >on the spiritual plane will manifest into a physical
> > reality. but in order
>for it
> >to combat against the spiritual process now in the
> > making it must be a strong
> >concentrated effort of consciousness.. this space is
> > created that we may share
>our
> >insights in this matter so that our efforts are
> > unified toward that
>conscious
> >solution. these are indeed changing times and
> > each and every person must
> >choose which part they will play.
> >
> >
> >
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