I don't feel this Law of one is that grandiose [Archive]

Vakuna

02-23-2012, 04:44 AM

Detlef

02-23-2012, 02:31 PM

The first thing I noticed is the time of lodgement, 11:44 (Divine intent actualized through Self)
The most difficult part of playing a role within this reality is, to grasp who and what we really are, and understanding, what we are doing here in this reality is merely a role play. And once we leave this reality we can see through all the illusions of physicality.
Hitler played role just as much as Beethoven.
We are here to learn separation, and you doing a great job at it. We all understand when it is time.
Until then enjoy your perceived separation, it is an illusion after all. We are never separate, it is not possible.

Rah nam

Vakuna

02-23-2012, 07:17 PM

Chris Hamilton

02-24-2012, 03:02 AM

I have released Vakuna's last post, but I do want to remind all member's that the Law of One Thread is designed to study the Law of One material, not attack its premise. As our rules state:

Your presence in this group comprises a tacit acceptance of our core values and beliefs as set forth in Mr. Wilcock's work and the Law of One series from L/L Research Company. While skepticism and critical thinking are always useful in the pursuit of knowledge, we cannot have meaningful discussions if we must constantly defend our fundamentals against those who choose to disagree.

This forum discusses positive spirituality as set forth by the books. Its main premise is that We Are One. Everyone has a right to believe in separation, however, this forum does not discuss that. Also, if you have not read the books or the outline for the books that can be found on this site, the member should not be posting in this thread where we study the Law of One. For further information, I invite everyone to familiarize themselves with the rules at the top of each thread. Thank you, Chris

Kittybriton

02-24-2012, 04:34 AM

Vakuna: if I may suggest? you seem to be thinking in terms of always being in more or less the same form you are now. And can you embrace the possibility, however contradictory from our current viewpoint, that it is fully possible to be wholly united with the source while remaining wholly individual?

In the course of my education so far, one of the things I have been confronted with (and no doubt will be again) is the poverty of my logic constrained by my current circumstances. To borrow the words of St.Paul, "now we know in part and we prophesy in part, but then shall we know even as we are known".

EcyaC

02-24-2012, 08:34 AM

I really don't understand why you all think that being one is such a wonderful thing. To me it's like going back into my mothers womb. The whole "going back home" concept. Why would I want to do that?
Why would I want to be merged with people who I despise? Why would I want to give up my individuality. That is what makes me ME. It reminds me of the Star Trek Deep space nine episode, where Odo found some of his people and merged with them and how yeah it felt pretty good at first but after awhile it got annoying. All those thoughts all together. That episode creeped me out. I LIKE my individuality. I LOVE me. I love being different. The idea of having my thoughts, my being merged with others is like the Borg concept(yes Star Trek again :p)... one hive one mind. NO thank you. I like my mind where it is with me. :p
I mean come on..why would you want the thoughts of say Hitler or Draco or any sadistic murdering person roaming around in your energy? You can't tell me that those thoughts are not "allowed" and if that's so, there's another reason I don't like it. I want to be able to think whatever I want. I especially don't want others to know what I'm thinking ..again that's just creepy!
Now don't get me wrong I'm not saying that you shouldn't believe in it or like it or whatever. I just really want to try to understand why?

We all think the law of one is such a wonderful thing because it is. It's a means to decrease violence and increase peace, with the revelation(s) it brings.

People die then come back to tell us what they get to remember perceiving when they were clinically dead...they say they get to see their lives flash before their eyes, and everyone's lives, then they get to visit with dead family members and they say they get to remember feeling what it felt like to feel like they were omnipresent and infinite love/light and then choosing to come back and all that good stuff.

Who wouldn't want to think they're the one and only omnipresent god in control of everyone, and everything, behind the scenes? How can there be more than one god?

To perceive all things is to choose an unknown present and to choose to be unconscious of some things, like not being an individual, thus here we are.

The law of one isn't about merging with people you despise, HAHA, nor is it about, permanently, giving up your perception of individuality and it's definitely not about, conscious, thought sharing...it's more about having the revelation of one shared consciousness then remembering as much as you can:

What you do to any consciousness you do to your very own consciousness just like what you do to your own consciousness you do to every other consciousness.

MarkM

02-24-2012, 01:51 PM

A thought that comes to mind is that it's possible that oneness is not something we are trying to attain, but that oneness is a condition which is already real. I think the idea is that if you are the one infinite creator with infinite knowing and wisdom, you have only one way to learn and discover and experience... and that is to introduce the concept of manyness and mystery.

So what you do is move.

"... and the Lord moved upon the face of the waters, blah blah..." ;)

With movement comes change and instant automatic infinite diversity. As the one infinite creator is another way of describing consciousness, you have an infinite potential of numbers of reflections of the same single consciousness; each autonomous and travelling independently from a unique perspective, with the potential of unique experience.

Perhaps - just puttin' this out there - there is a propensity built into all entities to seek discovery, novelty, mystery, adventure, survival, etc. You might look at this as a built-in instinct for evolution and the growth of the entity or species itself.

Perhaps, also, each 'traveler' is capable of looking back within itself and seeing itself as it was before it broke up into many.

So now, after billions of years of accumulating experience, here we are as this young and spectacularly beautiful and sentient human race. Let's face it, there's a real dynamic going on between our growth as a species and issues of war and peace, planetary stewardship and so on.

There's a lot of us vs. them going on, a lot of me vs. you going on, and this all manifests into a collective state of misery, poverty and disease on the part of many of us.

Like you, while I'm here I like my individuality and certainly wouldn't want a situation whereby the old lady down the hall can bust into me and swim around inside my head. <ugh>

Yet all the same, maybe she is, in absolute reality, just another perspective of not just me but of all other selves - identical in ultimate identity if not in perceived personality.

Did you know that when a holographic plate bearing an image is shattered, every fragment contains the complete image, although in a smaller version? If, as many quantum researchers are increasingly coming to believe, our universe is holographic and conscious in nature, than one soon comes to an interesting thought... what if every fragment (entity) of the creator ultimately has the full entirety of the creator within its self?

What if we think we are all different lit windows in a building, when in fact there's only one light illuminating the interior?

I do wonder if this is the real big secret which has been guarded for so long - and the fact that this is 'occulted' goes a long way towards splainin' all the convoluted and complicated nonsense which goes on here. Our schools, religions, pop culture and so on all seem to have been infected with divisive, conditioning rhetoric right to the core.

I believe that this is all part of our growing pains as a young race. Like children, we are, with so much to learn; and love of others as ourselves has nothing to do with the 'assimilation horrors' of the Borg concept.

Perhaps it is by coming collectively to see self in the eyes of every person. Maybe, behind the scenes and in a more real and deeper sense, every person is actually you in another field of venture... another body, another script, another set of challenges.

We all need love, in whatever guise we imagine it, and in whatever strange and messed up way we manifest our seeking of it. Our personalities vary, but at the heart of each is the need for love, the desire to not be lonely, the need to feel that we belong. An individual life, like Hitler's, can get messed up to no end, but at his heart is love and total identification with the conscious source field. His life is a temporary stage-play anyway - and after passing, he no longer plays that role.

When we place relative value (judgement, dislike, ill wishes, etc.) onto others, we are operating from ignorance of this basic universal reality. To blame a person is to blame the whole entity or soul, and by extension and stark reality the creator itself.

I guess the point here is that if this were to become common knowledge and freely and openly taught to our children, we would have a world ruled by love and harmony. Mark

cameronjcw

02-24-2012, 02:26 PM

Brilliant explanation and made sense to me Mark. Sometimes I read something or hear something and cant get my head around it or I do and then I forget lol but your explanation of the holographic principle made sense and now I understand it better.

I defintiely do believe that we are here and the form we are in is what we chose before we got here, maybe not all the way down to the last little detail but a sort of general path that my life will follow and I do have to follow that and it comes with many challenges, depending on whether you chose a difficult path or a path that was easy.

I defintiely must have chose a difficult path but theres no way I would understand the things I do now if I hadnt. On one hand it might be nice to have an easy life and for everything to go good for you but what do you learn!? I know you must learn somethings but I definitely think you learn more if you have more difficult challenges to face and learn from.

I think we can still be an individal while part of the whole, looking at life here on earth as a human and the earth is one big organism, we are all individual cells which help the whole thing to work but it wouldnt function properly or in the way it does or perhaps is meant to function with any of those individual cells missing

Rozmund

02-24-2012, 05:14 PM

Vankuna: I have read a book recently called Destiny of Souls by Dr. Michael Newton...thoroughly gives a glimpse covering 30 years of study as to what we really are before and after we use up our current body ...it made everything about The Law of One very clear to me...through the Ra Sessions... available through Amazon...I know it is hard to for the ego to believe it is temporary illusion playing a part that feels more than real on a minute to minute basis......but the analogy I use to my children is - if you put on a coat - it is something you are wearing and could be recognized in...but you are not your coat...so in my mind, we are wearing our personalities, our characteristics, our goals, our relationships..and while in this Earthly Dimension, we have the choice to "Serve Others" or "Serve Self" - which I understand from Carla depicts the speed to our awareness that we are all part of the Law of One...we will learn that....and in my humble opinion...you are a seeker, as we all are ...Rozmund

Guillaume

02-25-2012, 02:03 PM

The Law of One is that law wich makes it possible to have an eternal individuality.
Law of One makes it possible for others and self to have perfect individuality and yet co-exist.
To Be the Same, in the meaning of One, does not mean not to have individuality,
it means being a facette of the One, without endangering the One.

The farther you get from the Law of One, the less possible it is for other one(s) to include you; yet, you are one.
In that, the farter you go from One, the farter you are from yourself.

One has an infinite potential of individual manifestation. It is Free. I am free. You are free.
As one, you have infinite possibility, even that of moving away from One, from yourself.
If you do intense and repetitive negative experience of going away from yourself, such as any form of war agaisnt yourself,
such as intense chemical addictive drugs that benefits only a small part of yourself,
thus is agaisnt Yourself, wich is Co-centric and Whole, you will either destroy yourself and come back as another one, or go back consciously to One. Either way, you are ONE.

Because your are perfect, you can only move to where you already are.
If you start moving to imperfect self, because you are etrenaly perfect, you can only move back to yourself.

Do you understand how you are perfect and yet imperct ?
This paradoxe can be overcome with the Knowledge of yourself as One;
You are The Law of One.

That wich you live now, can be tought of and has been the almost excluve way of thinking for many and for years, as the moment from after your birth to your death. When speaking of the return to One, it is actualy, think of the pole shifts, the moment just before your birth.

The consciousness that you are now in is as much a result of the "2d-inside-momy's whomb" consciousness as
the consciousness of the Unified New Earth is a result of the 3d-inside-Gaia's whomb consciousness.
The Law of One decide's wich one is born.

One gave birth to you.

You are One.

MrZ

07-18-2012, 03:38 AM

I have released Vakuna's last post, but I do want to remind all member's that the Law of One Thread is designed to study the Law of One material, not attack its premise. As our rules state:

This forum discusses positive spirituality as set forth by the books. Its main premise is that We Are One. Everyone has a right to believe in separation, however, this forum does not discuss that. Also, if you have not read the books or the outline for the books that can be found on this site, the member should not be posting in this thread where we study the Law of One. For further information, I invite everyone to familiarize themselves with the rules at the top of each thread. Thank you, Chris

I do not see that this is in any form an attack on the law of 1 or David W. Why dont you let people express their concerns so that they can be built up by those that have insight? I am confident that there are many people that flock to this site full of great insight. You moderators edit way too much on this site. It should be a place to learn, and grow. And in order to do that you need your concerns resolved. David offers alot of valuable information, and I for one would love to learn more. But it seems everytime I think of something serious that needs asking, I recall how often my own posts had been rejected. That is simply a very debilitating attitude towards moderation.

Linx

07-19-2012, 06:34 PM

We couldn't agree more MrZ.
We remember attempting to make an insightful post that somewhat "questioned" the Law of One material, with the hope of starting some great and broad discussions, only to find it was refused due to it "confronting" what many on this board believe. Personally, we think it's very healthy if ones belief system is challenged; it's gets the individual to ask questions, rather than be subserviant and decending their single belief system (much like a religious fanatic)
On topic now, incidentally... Should it be called the "Lore of One" material as opposed to "Law of One"?
'Law,' to us, sounds rather authoritarian and non-organic... But what do others think?
(*cough* This post will likely be declined ^^; )

billybobbutterball

07-19-2012, 09:01 PM

Woe to us poor mods! -- once again made to suffer from vicious, half-baked bashing of us sensitive, under appreciated and generally misunderstood fanatical servants of this holy forum dedicated to the L01 ...etc.

But here's the rub..Questioning the material spawned out of the adoption of the inviolate principle of the Law of One is "one thing" but dinking around with the singular, philosophical cornerstone itself is non-productive on our forum since the whole logical structure spawned by it collapses.

One requirement before contributing to the DC forum is have some grounding in the Ra Material and in general be friendly to its its concept of "religious philosophy"...

On site is a streamlined study guide for the RA Material....otherwise there are the 5 volumes covering the original body of work -- which takes a lot of devoted time and effort.

Note: A helpful, orienting concept that I keep in mind is that the Cosmic plan is thatWisdom/Knowledge is obtained through the experiences gained by the employment of "Diversity within Unity" Does that help any?

Please keep in mind that it is the concept of Unity that sets the LAW OF ONE absolutely apart from conventional Christian theologies...which suppose an absolute separation of the Creator from the created... The idea that we are sparks from the Creator is considered a major heresy.....a believer could end up stuck on the burning stake.

Whooops!! I'm past my bedtime -- with the result being that the above is rather dis-jointed. Sorry.

Please understand that the opinions above represent my level of understanding and are not Holy Writ, etc.

best! BBB

Linx

07-20-2012, 12:22 AM

billybobbutterball

07-20-2012, 06:27 AM

Awh, we're deeply sorry if what we mentioned in our last post hurt you Billy (among others)*
=(*
We did expect our last post would get some shocked reactions, even though that was never the intention, and we'll say it again, we're sorry if our sword of truth hurt. However, we won't be pulling it out. Instead, we'll thrust it deeper by asking this question:
"Does Life exist beyond the Law of One?"

*Whether or not that can be answered is perfectly fine, and no matter what becomes of us from asking this simple question, we'll Love you all no less without conditions <3 ^^ **group hugs**

"Sword of Truth" ?

Well, to tell the truth, my answer is, "No", "Life does not exist outside the "Law of One." How can it? In fact, nothing exists outside the scope of the Law of One -- and that includes the vacuum of space.

Some suggested reading from me is the famous near death experience of Mellen Thomas Benedict. My favorite bit was when he asked the "higher power" chaperoning him what was the best religion to follow..the surprising answer was, "I don't care." That takes some pondering! A great body of info is contained in Dolores Cannon's four volumes making up the "Convoluted Universe." You can find an interview of Dolores on Project Camelot. I've spent a lot of time on LLResearch (the origin of the RA Material") I love the vast material following that great effort.

Thanks for the group Hug! That healed my battered being. Any chance of a kiss on the cheek? Thought so...

The highest and best good to all concerned!!

C-JEAN

07-20-2012, 09:32 AM

Hi Vakuna.

To see a "practical" way of seeing/understanding the "being one" idea, do a research on:
" What the BLEEP do we know?! down the rabbit hole! "

It is an extraordinary 3 DVD kit !!
It changed MANY of my ideas in life, and answered MANY other important questions !

Blue skies.

Explanatory comment by Jr. Mod., billybobbutterball ...Normally, the link to "What the Bleep," would not be allowed because humongous amounts of the material doesn't jive well with the forum ground rules. But it is lots of fun, so, what the heck...but I can be over-ruled by the "Powers That Be"...(the Trio of Mark, Chris and Kris)

EcyaC

07-20-2012, 10:17 AM

"Sword of Truth" ?

Well, to tell the truth, my answer is, "No", "Life does not exist outside the "Law of One." How can it? In fact, nothing exists outside the scope of the Law of One -- and that includes the vacuum of space.

Some suggested reading from me is the famous near death experience of Mellen Thomas Benedict. My favorite bit was when he asked the "higher power" chaperoning him what was the best religion to follow..the surprising answer was, "I don't care." That takes some pondering! A great body of info is contained in Dolores Cannon's four volumes making up the "Convoluted Universe." You can find an interview of Dolores on Project Camelot. I've spent a lot of time on LLResearch (the origin of the RA Material") I love the vast material following that great effort.

Thanks for the group Hug! That healed my battered being. Any chance of a kiss on the cheek? Thought so...

The highest and best good to all concerned!!

Can we ban Linx [Gollum] for not reading, and sympathizing, with the forum rules for participation?

Comment: BBB...Now, Sarah, I can understand where you are coming from....but let's not make him (it?) a martyr.. (:>))

Linx

07-20-2012, 12:50 PM

Awh, want a kiss too? *kisses on cheek* x3 <3
Hmm,*Dolores Cannon? Haven't heard of that individual... We'll look into her material; sounds rather intriguing ^^
Now we have yet another challenging question/concern that relates to the topic at hand:

"The One Infinite Creator"... We've been deeply contemplating this, and we realize that that title in itself sounds contradicting...
How can you have One, which is finite, then be infinite?
How can a single entity be the creator of all things infinitely, forever, with no end, and no beginning, that is in charge of all of that, and creates all life? Sounds like totality to us... and something about it just doesn't feel right...
Now we're not proposing here that god doesn't exist, which we know firsthand does ( from our understanding, everything is a being and is alive after all, therefore this uni-verse is also a living being), but the concept of this one being that is the creator and ruler of all things infinitely with no end, just feels somewhat contradicting... (and maybe...possibly... as a possibility to at least be taken into consideration... this could be some entity "playing god", with it's own version of "love"...?)

Could someone address this concern of ours? Or should we connect to this being ourself and ask directly, if no one else will? (may be abit awkward for us though, since we've disconnected ourself from our chakra system and litterally "thrown it away" & instead now functioning from a single energetic center ^^; )

Many Thanks in advance~ ^o^

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Billious sez...Concerning the concept of infinity...its incomprehensible.. Some infinities are larger than others...the concept of One representing infinity as a "set" might pass... I don't know... But I think our problem here is that your idea of an infinite creator is all mixed up with a finite anthropomorphic god figure rushing around trying to pull on a profound number of strings.

"God" is the "First" One Infinite Creator...there is only one infinite creator...other creator figures, such as the RA and The Elohim, are much closer to the usual idea of personal god figures...They are little gods...even tho they are made up of millions of entities...They don't want to be worshiped, rather they
have stated that they feel more in tune with shaking our hands...really. (The Elohim in the Bible is taken
as the "Creator"...that is only true in a limited fashion.) The Elohim and the Ra work together in looking
after us humanoids.. Neither the RA nor the Elohim really have a full understanding of the Infinite Creator.

The RA tell us they are on the verge of moving into the 7th dimension ...only a million or so years to go...practically there already!!

About the nature of the BIG god...Three main views....Transcendent...Pantheist...Panentheist.

The Bible makes a point that God is both transcendent and immanent...So throw out the limited orthodox view. Pantheism ties the Creator to the creation...so, preceding big bang creation, no god to create anything! -- including the bang. So...it seems that PanENtheism ties it all together very nicely...
As Mark pointed out, with his Hologram model, all is part of the One Creator...we are teeny, divine sparks set out to explore the creation from top to bottom...the resulting acquired knowledge is our reason for existing makes up our future present to our bigger self...incidentally, our bodies have been studiously engineered over aeons... not zipped-zapped overnight (Tho, keeping in mind that time is merely an illusion, etc,)

About the nasty false-god thing...there is a name,,,but my aging brain is faltering...named the d... dia....something...It mistakenly thinks it is The Prime Creator...

**** False god is DEMIURG...see east/west studies Scott Mandelker.com

Look...I'm getting far afield here...it would be embarrassing for a mod to be modded by his peers...please go read some Dolores Cannon...I'm on my third time around and keep learning stuff...

Best, Bill... AKA billybobbutterball

DFS

07-22-2012, 10:30 AM

I offer some thoughts for consideration.

First, consider the nature of our limited 3D consciousness. The most fundamental given is separation. All our sensory input and experiencing supports the understanding that we are separate individuals trapped in a material form.

This condition of isolation prompts us to think in terms of dualities such as self and not self and to apply those dualities in an attempt to understand this material illusion.

Thus it is that while we may be able to conceptualize unity or oneness, the limited nature of our 3D consciousness prevents us from truly grasping and knowing unity. Try as we might, we cannot think unity, cannot grasp or picture it as we might the color red, or the pain of a burn, or the tart sweetness of an apple. Unity is a concept that runs counter to our experiences and given sense of separation. The best we can do is to try to frame or conceptualize unity within limits we can know and/or imagine.

In his book, _The Ghost In The Machine_, Arthur Koestler coined the term 'holarchy.' It combines the Greek word 'holos' meaning "whole" with 'hierarkhia' for High Preist, which is a root for the term hierarchy. It is intended to describe a hierarchically organized group of independent units called 'holons'. A holon may, in itself, be a holarchy of lesser holons.

For example, the Earth may be viewed as a holarchy containing a vast number of holons and at the same time, it may also be thought of as a holon within the holarchy, Solar System, which in turn, may be a holon within the holarchy, Galaxy, which may be viewed as a holon within the holarchy, Universe. Thus, the holarchy, Universe, is the most inclusive or unifying holarchy.

What the Law of One does is offer a consistent, logical framework for a holarchy called Unity or One. The Holarchy, Unity or One, contains holons such as Universes, Co-creators, Densities and Distortions, which are also holarchies containing their own holons. Framed as a holarchy, unity is easier for our limited 3D consciousness to image or imagine. The LOO even points to what our limited 3D thinking might call the First Cause or the ultimate holarchy, which is identified as the Original Thought, which contains all that is, including the holon/holarchy, Unity.

As for myself, I see the value of the LOO as a consistent and logical framework which enhances my own limited understanding, imagining and knowing of the mystical and metaphysical nature of existence. It is not a religion or belief system. Rather, it offers a greater, holoarchical overview as well as useful insights without resorting to dogma or required beliefs or rituals, which are common elements of most religions. I find that I resonate with the LOO on a deep intuitive level.

DFS

billybobbutterball

07-22-2012, 04:49 PM

Dear DFS

You offer us some interesting observations....

Hmmm?? I take it that you suggest that the term 'Holarchy' be used to describe the state of being that we hitherto have thought of as the fundamental principle, 'The LAW of ONE'?

A couple of things bother me; first of all is that the idea of the head of the topmost holarchy seems to me to automatically evoke the image of "the big guy in the sky" persona heresy. (:>( And does the idea of a holarchy deal with supernatural phenomena?

The hazy thought comes to me that Scott Mandelker.com has some fantastic info on his site...the section that I'm thinking of is "East West Studies"...or something like that. some googling should bring it up. I don't want to try to find it now for fear of losing this post....I will return later....if I don't get lost.

Some questions came up early about fallen souls stuck in the earthy mud -- have fallen down and can't get up, etc. Yes and no...this earth is a very important experiment...Different takes on that.. One important part is that the whole soul cannot come into the incarnation...the body would not survive that much energy impacting...so only a part....say 10 to 20 % is incarnated...The other 80% might be off saving the cosmos somewhere else. The point is that when Edgar Cayce reincarnated as David Wilcock only a small percentage of the soul stuff was involved....so, David is not a cookie-cutter Edgar replication

One last point of little importance....It seems that the term "Religion" is treated like a dirty word. Even my boss, the Honorable Christina H., treats it so as she is embarrassed whenever I use it (just teasing) But what we deal with on this forum consists of bits and pieces of a LoO philosophy of religion.

Note: A Philosophy of religion can deal with some 7(?) factors...a philosophy of religious atheism deals with 4 important factors... (Atheists don't like this...claiming it is like shaving a guy's head and calling the result a hair coloring.....but there is more to it than that)

I want to apologize for rambling on so....You see, this is the only place in the house with air conditioning.. and I needed an excuse for hiding here..

Naturally, all my idea stuff above is no more than my fallible opinions -- tho affected by my reading and thinking about stuff the end results are still highly suspect...

love! bbb

C-JEAN

07-23-2012, 10:08 AM

Hi Ra fans.

Thanks a lot "Jr. Mod., billybobbutterball" to keep my 07-20-2012 post on line. B-)
I wanted to say one "public" thing here, after reading your answer to DFS, 07-22-2012.

I have discovered/read about "Edgar Cayce" when I was a teenager ! !
THAT is why I trust SO MUCH our dear "Carla" ! !

To me, she is THE MOST important person on earth !!
More important than any popes, kings, presidents. . .! !

"The Ra material" DID answer to SO MANY important questions, about life and all. . .
For that, I am grateful for ever ! !

Blue skies.

DFS

07-23-2012, 02:17 PM

BBB, sorry if I opted for brevity over clarity. A holarchy is a tool in the same way that a hierarchy is a tool that allows one to think of items, concepts or things in terms of their relationships. While a hierarchy relates them in terms of position or rank in order to separate them from each other by status, a holarchy allows one to think of them in terms of their commonality. A hierarchy is intended to exclude, a holarchy seeks to include.

Thus, the Law of One might itself be considered a holarchy which contains holons, such as Infinity, Unity, Densities, Distortions, Archetypes and numerous others, which are also holarchies containing holons, which may in themselves be holarchies. Since it links by similarities and relationships, a holarchy is based on connectivity rather than exclusivity. In fact, the ability to link things together has prompted the contemporary philosopher, Ken Wilber, to employ holarchies in an attempt to assemble what he calls "a theory of everything."

In an earlier posting, you noted that unity is an underlying principle in the LOO, and I was simply observing that the concept of holarchies offered a tool to help one image or visualize unity as something more than a vague abstract idea. If there is an ultimate holarchy, one may assign it whatever name one chooses. Call it God, The Field, The One, The Source, Consciousness, Infinity or whatever feels right, because the name is not the point. My point was that our limited 3D consciousness requires us to think in dualities, and as such, we are moved to think in terms of limits even when we are attempting to conceptualize infinity or unity or simultaneity. Our brain is finite, and try as we will, we cannot actually think infinity or unity. Instead, we use metaphors, analogies and tools such as holarchies to approximate an understanding of infinity or unity.

Hope this clarifies rather than adding to the confusion. <smile>

DFS

billybobbutterball

07-23-2012, 05:27 PM

Dear Defuss

I appreciate your further championing of the Holarchies and Holons concept. Makes good sense.

For me the touchy point comes at the starting difficulty of attempting to determine the nature of the supposed Infinite One -- on which all else depends -- in coming up with a description compatible with and incorporating the Law of One...

I admit that I am locked into the conviction that the quality of Panentheism is an absolutely necessity prime inclusion in any attempt to describe such a super-dooper infinite Deity concept.

best, billious g AKA BBB

MarkM

07-23-2012, 07:38 PM

Excellent convo, all concerned!

It seems to me that discernment is a primary function of a person, or perhaps any lifeform; inasfar as we commonly recognize one. It also seems a truism that the more we look to discern the difference between things, the more the universe offers minutiae for us to discern! There seems no end to the extent to which we can pull things apart in order to perceive constituent parts.

Perhaps this somewhat defines our striving over the last few hundred years, or even much more! I used to love pulling gadgets apart to see how they tick!

Recent decades, however, have seen me attempting to go in the opposite direction, so to speak, and in so doing I've come to intuitively understand something of Oneness; or in other words, how the appearance of difference and manyness is merely a function of the intellect. My heart's attempts to describe what lies behind the appearance of diversity and variety to my own mind have proven that only crude analogies operate here, and the mental effort is doomed without a blending of the heart-centered intuitive apprehension being blended with the mental.

Infinity seems to represent the limitations of mental effort in the quest for understanding, as without exception every philosophical and scientific exploration seems to lead to infinity; and I figure that those who identify solely with the intellect as their identity and 'selfness' and whom strive to figure things out will inevitably come up against the contemplation of infinity. We seem to be living in a realm in which all begins and ends in mystery, as both the microcosm and the macrocosm extend infinitely; and infinity seems to define a clever sort of binding mechanism which we cannot get past.

I've known people of a philosophical bent who have stood on the precipice of insanity, having perceived that all their philosophical ruminations can be logically extended into the 'unknowingness' of infinity, leaving them feeling that all such efforts do no more than point to the utter futility of coming to know anything at all!

When one comes to feel the sublime ridiculousness of relative value in the sense of humans forever attempting to place things into a pecking order of relative and finite merit - and yet finds only infinity as an antidote to relative thought, one often divorces one's enquiries into these things for fear of falling over the edge of no return, rationally speaking... I was close to that in about 1979, yet was beguiled by the memories of having studied the Edgar Cayce readings quite extensively years prior.

My heart - or perhaps my higher self - had kept me coming back to a faintly remembered mention by Cayce of the discipline of the Law of One, back in the times of Atlantis, and the terrible reality of being surrounded on all sides by the inscrutable and impossible to comprehend concept of infinity was bathed in a feeble promise of philosophical solace as my heart had vibrantly redounded with the Cayce stuff and the inferred admonition that the Law of One kinda trumps the Law of Infinity. What if there was some literal truth to the notion that infinity was a distorted apprehension of One?

I remember philosophically trying to get my head around a popular concept of infinity being equated with zero (Scientology days... !). That didn't work for me as I didn't believe in the concept of nothingness.

So anyway, if you have a theoretically perfectly flat mirror, it theoretically will reflect a perfect image. If you introduce the slightest distortion to the flatness of that mirror, you now have an image which is infinitely distorted. I mean, how can you have partial distortion? Distortion seems an absolute concept, as in you can't be partially in existance, huh? HUH? :p

Imagine if you will a round disc being reflected by a moving, warping mirror - there exists now the potential for infinite diversity, for infinite variation and as the mirror warps you can get more than one image of the distorted disc, as in how you see the sun reflected on the choppy surface of a lake.

Here, you have infinite potential variability stemming from the distortion of that which was previously homogenously and perfectly reflected in one undistorted mirror. To be continued...

MarkM

07-23-2012, 08:25 PM

Ra: I am Ra. Consider, if you will, that the universe is infinite. This has yet to be proven or disproven, but we can assure you that there is no end to your selves, your understanding, what you would call your journey of seeking, or your perceptions of the creation.

That which is infinite cannot be many, for many-ness is a finite concept. To have infinity you must identify or define that infinity as unity; otherwise, the term does not have any referent or meaning. In an Infinite Creator there is only unity. You have seen simple examples of unity. You have seen the prism which shows all colors stemming from the sunlight. This is a simplistic example of unity.

In truth there is no right or wrong. There is no polarity for all will be, as you would say, reconciled at some point in your dance through the mind/body/spirit complex which you amuse yourself by distorting in various ways at this time. This distortion is not in any case necessary. It is chosen by each of you as an alternative to understanding the complete unity of thought which binds all things. You are not speaking of similar or somewhat like entities or things. You are every thing, every being, every emotion, every event, every situation. You are unity. You are infinity. You are love/light, light/love. You are. This is the Law of One.

Questioner: Was the galaxy that we are in created by the infinite intelligence or was it created by a portion of the infinite intelligence?

Ra: I am Ra. The galaxy and all other things of material of which you are aware are products of individualized portions of intelligent infinity. As each exploration began, it, in turn, found its focus and became co-Creator. Using intelligent infinity each portion created an universe and allowing the rhythms of free choice to flow, playing with the infinite spectrum of possibilities, each individualized portion channeled the love/light into what you might call intelligent energy, thus creating the so-called Natural Laws of any particular universe.

Each universe, in turn, individualized to a focus becoming, in turn, co-Creator and allowing further diversity, thus creating further intelligent energies regularizing or causing Natural Laws to appear in the vibrational patterns of what you would call a solar system. Thus, each solar system has its own, shall we say, local coordinate system of illusory Natural Laws. It shall be understood that any portion, no matter how small, of any density or illusory pattern contains, as in an holographic picture, the One Creator which is infinity. Thus all begins and ends in mystery.

Mark again... a fundamental concept which may help one come to grasp this philosophy appears in the form of the holographical example, as BBBB has mentioned. A glass holo-photographic plate when shattered owns a property whereby mysteriously every glass fragment no matter how tiny still contains the full image which was originally stored on the whole plate. Sorry for being redundant as I have mentioned this before on this thread but it's a great learning artifice.

With this in terms of the Law of One, we have the concept of every constituent part that we can possibly discern in this universe containing the entirety of the universe, creator - whatever you want to call it. It seems that our intellectually, mind-based sensual means of viewing the universe may be totally unable to sense this without the imput of the developing heart center.

Eternity... only the present moment.

Infinity... only unity and oneness.

Infinite variability of lifeforms... only one of us here.

What lies beyond the Law of One? There's no such thing as nothing! Seems a non-starter question to me.

How does one apply this philosophy to their own lives?

Maybe by trying to start at where we are, and by applying unconditional love and acceptance to everything/all/one. If this is all true, than it is impossible to do anything to anything which you are not doing to yourself.

Something I know without knowing - how you treat everything/all/one is how you are treating yourself, and defines what you get back. Even this is distorted, as there is no real delay or partialness to this axiom of life. If you stubbornly hold on to varying relative value of everything/all/one, you persist in what amounts to a deconstruction of your own potential, instantly.

Every forest, lake, sea snail and person is an aspect of you and deserves unconditional love and support, regardless of the stirrings of your mind's propensity for relegation to relative value or relevance to what you take to be of importance to your own experiencing.

Now this, IMO, is THE discipline of the ages, and for some will become a daily, even constant effort. I'd recommend the following practice as a starting point if you are so moved to seize the most evolved possible activity a person can practise, IMO: see next post

MarkM

07-23-2012, 08:33 PM

Questioner: For the general development of the reader of this book, could you state some of the practices or exercises to perform to produce an acceleration toward the Law of One?

Ra: I am Ra.

Exercise One. This is the most nearly centered and useable within your illusion complex. The moment contains love. That is the lesson/goal of this illusion or density. The exercise is to consciously seek that love in awareness and understanding distortions. The first attempt is the cornerstone. Upon this choosing rests the remainder of the life-experience of an entity. The second seeking of love within the moment begins the addition. The third seeking powers the second, the fourth powering or doubling the third. As with the previous type of empowerment, there will be some loss of power due to flaws within the seeking in the distortion of insincerity. However, the conscious statement of self to self of the desire to seek love is so central an act of will that, as before, the loss of power due to this friction is inconsequential.

Exercise Two. The universe is one being. When a mind/body/spirit complex views another mind/body/spirit complex, see the Creator. This is an helpful exercise.

Exercise Three. Gaze within a mirror. See the Creator.

Exercise Four. Gaze at the creation which lies about the mind/body/spirit complex of each entity. See the Creator.

The foundation or prerequisite of these exercises is a predilection towards what may be called meditation, contemplation, or prayer. With this attitude, these exercises can be processed. Without it, the data will not sink down into the roots of the tree of mind, thus enabling and ennobling the body and touching the spirit.

I'd have to add at this point my opinion that life is a complicated affair, and as the creator/we experiences experience through the means of distortion, all of the manifold range of experiences are equally valid in that all exist in mystery towards the ways of becoming, yet all will eventually eclipse duality and gradually replace relativity with just enough unconditional love to tip it over to more evolved modes of existence. No one is left behind; it's all just a dance, don't take life so seriously!

As Billybob would say, take it or leave it, or bits thereof - all the same to me! :) Markish

MarkM

07-23-2012, 09:06 PM

If you'd like to settle in and read a sizeable non fiction account of a globally unique-in-our-times and possibly miraculous event with background story, or merely enjoy good sci-fi - whatever your bent, I recommend this! Better than Star Wars or Star Trek... check this out, a rollicking saga:

http://www.llresearch.org/library/the_law_of_one_pdf/the_law_of_one_pdf.aspx

EcyaC

07-24-2012, 08:49 AM

Thanks, but that actually didn't answer my question. I wanted to know why anyone would want this and why it makes them happy or gives them some sort of comfort to "know" we are all one.
Also I don't believe in the ONE thing. I believe we can separate and go off on our own and do our own thing. Create our own universe with planets and such. Just like cells divide and split I believe energy can and does that as well. We are just energy right?

Yup, there can only be energy. I've just communicated this but I feel like doing it again:

The only way the LOO can be uncomfortable, to me, is when I realize this implies we have been alone forever and will be alone forever.

I only really recall the LOO when I'm trying not to slap someone in the face. I like to think I'm God constantly gazing in the mirror and choosing what parts of the reflection I want to permanently 'off'.

Or rather, I'm here to choose just whom/what all I want to be there when I go to heaven for good.

The deception of separation is beautiful. It makes heaven possible.

DFS

07-25-2012, 08:37 AM

Thanks, Mark, for the insightful posts. You selected some of my own most valued quotes. However, at the risk of moving off topic, I would like to pose a question.

In the quote about suggested exercises, Ra states:
"Exercise One. This is the most nearly centered and useable within your illusion complex. The moment contains love. That is the lesson/goal of this illusion or density. The exercise is to consciously seek that love in awareness and understanding distortions."

Anyone who studies the LOO will observe that Ra takes great care in selecting the right words, even going so far as to employ linked words such as love/light, light/love and teach/learn and learn/teach in an effort to be more precise. Thus, I find myself puzzling over the statement that:
"The exercise is to consciously seek that love in awareness and understanding distortions.""

True, Ra does clarify in the following statements about the law of doubling or squares, saying, "... The second seeking of love within the moment begins the addition ..." thereby making it clear that the point of this first exercise is to
seek that love within the moment, but this just leaves me puzzling why Ra did not simply state this first exercise as directly and simply as the following exercises:
"Exercise Two. The universe is one being. When a mind/body/spirit complex views another mind/body/spirit complex, see the Creator. This is an helpful exercise.
Exercise Three. Gaze within a mirror. See the Creator.
Exercise Four. Gaze at the creation which lies about the mind/body/spirit complex of each entity. See the Creator."

I find myself unable to confidently discern Ra's intent in urging that one "consciously seek that love in awareness and understanding distortions."

Any thoughts and/or clarifications would be most welcome.

DFS

MarkM

07-25-2012, 06:54 PM

Thank you for the question, DFS.

Ra: I am Ra.

Exercise One. This is the most nearly centered and useable within your illusion complex. The moment contains love. That is the lesson/goal of this illusion or density. The exercise is to consciously seek that love in awareness and understanding distortions. The first attempt is the cornerstone. Upon this choosing rests the remainder of the life-experience of an entity. The second seeking of love within the moment begins the addition. The third seeking powers the second, the fourth powering or doubling the third. As with the previous type of empowerment, there will be some loss of power due to flaws within the seeking in the distortion of insincerity. However, the conscious statement of self to self of the desire to seek love is so central an act of will that, as before, the loss of power due to this friction is inconsequential.

I guess that for me the operative phrase in Exercise One is "The moment contains love." It is suggested that (inasfar as my understanding goes) that entirely apart from like/dislike when we have our dealings with people or whatever, there exists behind all distortion, no matter how messed up a situation may seem, the opportunity for us to hold in mind and heart that all motivation stems from love.

Love is many things, and for me life is a miracle of musical/vibrational harmonic consonance, and love is the glue which allows for the harmonic grouping of myriad waveforms which result in our selves and our environment. Love seems to be for me the primary principle which holds everything together and allows for the universe to be other than a mishmash of white noise and chaos.

When you feel less than pleased with something, and feel as though things aren't right, it may be well to hold on to the concept that all which happens is a function of love being tested and refined by whomever or whatever is involved. What may seem less than loving may be a function of love's admonition to find more easy flowing and harmonious ways in which to behave and interact with the all.

If the universe has pure patience with us as we apprehend what seems less than loving aspects of ourselves and others, we may wish to consider the possibility that there is nothing but love, and that love is not only the cornerstone of the universe's functioning but is ever at the root of all imaginable endeavor, regardless of perceptions of distortion. It is held by some that we are all seeking love, and are motivated by a seeking of greater love, regardless of manifold distortions of apparent hate or apparent less than love.

I do believe that all of us will eventually and after all the drama get to find better things, bar none - because love is the primary irresistable force which we are all subject to...

So the first lesson given by Ra seems an invitation to allow for love being intrinsic to all possible endeavor - and that which we perceive as less than loving is not in reality less than loving... it's just love developing, and nothing other.

We think we need love, yet we will all discover that we exist in a river of total love and mutual joy of bottomless love.

I feel that Ra has offered in a carefully worded way that the seeking of love in every moment is the highest and best practice we can ever get to become practiced in, and the other lessons offered are something like offshoots of the first, with the first defining the followance of the secondary lessons, which seem to me to represent refinements of "The moment contains love."

Perhaps, no one is in reality anything other than one who came here with any other motivation than finding the beauty of harmony and peace. While we wax patient with our fellow folk, and perceive all sorts of crap, this is all for the furtherance of love - no matter how messed up situations get.

If you look into another's eyes, and practice bending over backwards until you see their love, you're doing the best you can for them. Sometimes it's not easy until you decide that there is nothing but love in their attempts to be.

So, I guess my point is that there is nothing but love, despite appearances, and of all artforms available the lesson here is that there really is nothing else... so go out and love your fellow man as he is worthy of nothing but your unconditional love, period. Even a psychopathic murderer regardless of our distain for his actions is not to be loved and honoured any less than any other. One thing about love, it takes no sides nor does it prefer one thing over another. Mark

MarkM

07-25-2012, 07:37 PM

Our most infamous villains deserve our unconditional love, even as our most beloved ones do also.

BASNAS

07-26-2012, 02:39 AM

Very well stated....are we not wanting "freedom" of expression and speech as these draconian laws are being jammed down the worlds throat right now? Thank you MrZ.

BASNAS

07-26-2012, 02:50 AM

I feel you all are correct. If there's no bashing on the subjects, but true questions, concerns, or insights i would think freedom to work through these topics is very important. I'm new here and have resonated with so much of what is on this site...it's amazing for sure. Lucian in the movie "underworld: rise of the likens said it best i feel..." I did not free you from the shackles of one tyrant to put on one of my own....you are all free". it can honestly be that simple moderator. Thank you for listening

Rosa

07-31-2012, 05:56 PM