The Harvest?

[Apophis]

what is a harvest? why would this word be used so prevalently?

websters defines the word harvest as -
1 - the season for gathering in agricultural crops
2 - the act or process of gathering in a crop
3a - a mature crop (as of grain or fruit) or yield
3b - the quantity of a natural product gathered in a single season <deer harvest> <ice harvest>
4 - an accumulated store or productive result <a harvest of revenue>

as i look upon this reality there can be a few ways to interpret this;

those who wish to escape this place, and only want to leave all this misery behind, can look upon this as:
"take me away, carry me off, i don't want to be a part of this any more! harvest my sole from the fields of earth!"

those who wish to make a difference, and are willing to change, can look upon this as:
"take away all the negative oppressive things that are infringing on my ways and understandings of life. as the branches of the peach trees are draped low with the weight of the fruit, please take this burned off of me!"

when i myself, reread these passages, i can see with is coming from fear, and which is coming from love.

personally i have come to find that this "harvest" is a harvest of the ego. it is a harvest of control.
i ask you who controls the oceans?
who controls the sunrise?
what is the reason for the weeds growing in the garden?

the answers are simple, they are a part of life itself.
the question of who built the playground may not cross a child's mind, that is because the children are simply enjoying the gifts that have been given.

does it matter if there are weeds in your garden?
who is to say that those weeds are not a crop as well?
is the dandelion a weed or an herb?
these questions are about control.
do you control what is in the garden? or is it the soil and the seed that allows the plant to manifest?

in my personal opinion, this planet was once a planet with no recognition of ego, yet it had the capacity to manifest it. thus the soil was tilled and the seeds were sown. and now we are seeing the harvest of that crop, the harvest of ego.

this does not mean that the ego disappears. the crop may be planted once more... the plants may come back from the soil next season... will we as a people know what the fruits are good for?
it is not about controlling the fruit as it grows or stopping the growth from happening, it is about recognizing the value of the growth, be it, a weed as you see, it or a peach tree. this has naturally occurred on our planet, love the place you live, or fear that it will be overgrown.


this is my first post, and i have chosen the name apophis, for a simple reason, we are binding light and dark, we are finding a balance, we are one.
thank you for reading.

[Dtris]

in the law of one i find harvest a very appropriate word. when people are ready due to polarization, whether to self or other self, they are ripe and can then be harvested or taken to the next stage of development.

i think control is part of the issue. however i view it differently than you. in the kaballah the soul has 5 parts. the lowest part is the nephesh or animal soul. the ruach is the body soul. the higher 3 are what continue after death and these are the yechidah, nachamah, and i forget the last one. the ruach is the ego or the part of us that tries to keep us separate from the reality of our divine origins. it is the part that delights in the physical joys. this is the part that fears enlightenment because it knows that it will not be in control anymore. when we go beyond the ego we realize that we are not just our physical bodies and that we are all one mind. this is the parting of the veil for the adept which is the path to tipharet or the sephorot of beauty. this beauty is that of the one infinite creation. tipharet is also aligned with the heart chakra. ra repeatedly says that we are here to make a choice to serve self or otherselves. a service to others entity shuts down the heart center and highly activates the lower centers. this is the same as never parting the veil or of submitting your will to that of the ego. this is the submission of the spirit to the elements represented by the inverted pentagram and the seal of baphomet. so the control is the question of what part of yourself will be in control, will it be the ego or will it be the higher self, the holy guardian angel?

[Jeia Ra Manuk]

control stops when separation stops!

i can't lie, i did get a bit offended by the "however i view it differently than you." i've been preaching about the kaballah for quite some time, and even though i am obviously not as knowledgeable in it as you are, i am trying.

plus it is very similar to various eastern sources (india, tibet, etc) which i have studied for more than one life time.

"ra repeatedly says that we are here to make a choice to serve self or otherselves. a service to others entity shuts down the heart center and highly activates the lower centers."
do you mean service to self?
service to other's opens your heart center...
plus we are here to make a choice and to act upon that choice in the 4th density...
so as one of our members said one time, we are candidates. and are not actually yet polarized physically, this occurs at the harvest i presume!

[MarkM]

in terms of the loo material, harvest seems to refer to the culmination of third density experience on a given third density planet, as well as to 'harvestability' - those having polarized sufficiently during this cycle to be able to experience the higher and denser vibrations of fourth density, before the end of the third density experience as well as at the end of it.

in our case, there is a period of roughly 75000 years of human experiencing within the third density sphere of the earth's space/time cycling. at the end of this cycle, no further opportunities for third density experiencing in space/time is possible.

there is a three way split; some having successfully polarized positively, some having polarized negatively, and others having not decided either way. the ra also refer to being harvestable in a negative sense, as well as being harvestable in a positive sense. those who have polarized successfully in either direction have achieved eligibility to entertain fourth density experiencing; only those who have succeeded in polarizing positively will remain with the earth in its fourth density activation, which will actively manifest positively. those who have succeeded in polarizing negatively will experience negative fourth density on a different planetary sphere which is fourth density negative. those who haven't polarized will re-experience third density on a different third density planet.

our third density earth will pass into potentiality rather than its current activation, and earth in its third density space/time state of potentialization will be devoid of third density 'incarnate' humans; all of whom have been harvested from third density space/time earth.


questioner: what is the length, in our years, of one of these cycles?

ra: one major cycle is approximately 25,000 of your years. there are three cycles of this nature during which those who have progressed may be harvested at the end of three major cycles. that is, approximately between 75 and 76,000 of your years. all are harvested regardless of their progress, for during that time the planet itself has moved through the useful part of that dimension and begins to cease being useful for the lower levels of vibration within that density.


63.8 questioner: i would like to continue with the questions about the fact that in fourth-density the red, orange, and green energies will be activated; yellow, blue, etc. being in potentiation. right now, we have green energies activated. they have been activated for the last 45 years. i am wondering about the transition through this period so that the green is totally activated and the yellow is in potentiation. what will we lose as the yellow goes from activation into potentiation, and what will we gain as green comes into total activation, and what is the process?

ra: i am ra. it is misleading to speak of gains and losses when dealing with the subject of the cycle’s ending and the green-ray cycle beginning upon your sphere. it is to be kept in the forefront of the faculties of intelligence that there is one creation in which there is no loss. there are progressive cycles for experiential use by entities. we may now address your query.

as the green-ray cycle or the density of love and understanding begins to take shape the yellow-ray plane or earth which you now enjoy in your dance will cease to be inhabited for some period of your space/time as the space/time necessary for fourth-density entities to learn their ability to shield their density from that of third is learned. after this period there will come a time when third-density may again cycle on the yellow-ray sphere.

meanwhile there is another sphere, congruent to a great extent with yellow ray, forming. this fourth-density sphere coexists with first, second, and third. it is of a denser nature due to the rotational core atomic aspects of its material. we have discussed this subject with you.

the fourth-density entities which incarnate at this space/time are fourth-density in the view of experience but are incarnating in less dense vehicles due to desire to experience and aid in the birth of fourth-density upon this plane.

you may note that fourth-density entities have a great abundance of compassion.

[Apophis]

these replies have guided many thoughts to manifestation-

the weight of reason was the motive for the thread, however in comparing it to other forms of teaching you have made sense.

jeia ra you are absolutely right! can you see how dtris is you? all presumed answers from personal knowledge.

mark, you have made a new picture in my mind. i thank you for expanding the terms.

please allow me to enhance the picture of my conceptualization. as i have realized with the aid of visualizing polarization. much of my attention was focused on the upper center of the body, namely the brain and thoughts that occur within. this had been termed the ego. with attention to polarizing it was clear that my lower center of the body, namely the feeling of grace, were starving. this had been termed the soul. dumping attention from my upper center to my lower center stirred my heart. this is what was meant by the harvest of ego, the letting go and falling to the ground.



earlier today an interesting thought came while pondering the name i had chosen. we seek shade in the daylight, just as we seek fire at night. also, there are those who bring and gather light, they seek the dark areas in life so that they may be of use with their fiery light, and there are those who bring and gather darkness, they seek the light areas in life so that they may be of use with there shadowy darkness. it is all one coin, two sides. *ahkam* (polarized)

[Dtris]

control stops when separation stops!

i can't lie, i did get a bit offended by the "however i view it differently than you." i've been preaching about the kaballah for quite some time, and even though i am obviously not as knowledgeable in it as you are, i am trying.

plus it is very similar to various eastern sources (india, tibet, etc) which i have studied for more than one life time.

"ra repeatedly says that we are here to make a choice to serve self or otherselves. a service to others entity shuts down the heart center and highly activates the lower centers."
do you mean service to self?
service to other's opens your heart center...
plus we are here to make a choice and to act upon that choice in the 4th density...
so as one of our members said one time, we are candidates. and are not actually yet polarized physically, this occurs at the harvest i presume!

why did that part offend you?

oh and yea i meant service to self. should have proofread but i was getting ready to leave for class so i was rushing a little.

[Jeia Ra Manuk]

beautiful just beautiful! i am starting to think that maybe the 2 sided coin can answer all our woes and questions :)
what is important is seeing yourself in others and judging/balancing morality in all the small things! give and be given, thank and be thanked... and so on!
the fact of that matter is that the sts people are not at all bad or evil, they are just simply, the other side of the coin :)

love,
ra ma

ps: i really like the name you've chosen! and by the way, kind of late but, welcome to the forum!


these replies have guided many thoughts to manifestation-

the weight of reason was the motive for the thread, however in comparing it to other forms of teaching you have made sense.

jeia ra you are absolutely right! can you see how dtris is you? all presumed answers from personal knowledge.

mark, you have made a new picture in my mind. i thank you for expanding the terms.

please allow me to enhance the picture of my conceptualization. as i have realized with the aid of visualizing polarization. much of my attention was focused on the upper center of the body, namely the brain and thoughts that occur within. this had been termed the ego. with attention to polarizing it was clear that my lower center of the body, namely the feeling of grace, were starving. this had been termed the soul. dumping attention from my upper center to my lower center stirred my heart. this is what was meant by the harvest of ego, the letting go and falling to the ground.



earlier today an interesting thought came while pondering the name i had chosen. we seek shade in the daylight, just as we seek fire at night. also, there are those who bring and gather light, they seek the dark areas in life so that they may be of use with their fiery light, and there are those who bring and gather darkness, they seek the light areas in life so that they may be of use with there shadowy darkness. it is all one coin, two sides. *ahkam* (polarized)

[Dtris]

apophis,

we can only use our own knowledge to base our ideas upon. the beautiful thing about forums like this is that we can share our knowledge and in a mutual exchange we can all grow from it. personally i find it very useful to try to have very clear ideas about what we mean about certain terms like ego. this means that we can increase each others understanding of the concepts through mutual exchange.

now to add another layer of complexity. the chinese use the same character for heart that they do for mind. they believe that you can think with the heart just as you can with the mind. the thoughts of the heart are the emotions or the intuition or the feeling. in the western cultures we have almost deified the mind and subjugated the heart. we distrust our intuition and believe that the rational mind is the only way to acquire so called "true knowledge". this could be viewed as an excess of yang in chinese terms the mind being active and creative while the heart being receptive and generative. as a personal example i have always believed that the throwing out of the aether idea was a profound mistake. this was from the first time i learned about it in about 7th or 8th grade. it intuitively made ense to me. when i first started seeing reports on dark matter and dark energy i immediately realized they were just a new way of explaining the aether in different terms. many of the best books i found for my own personal development came from intuition as well. an example of this is the day i found the source field investigations. i went to the bookstore simply because i felt like i needed to go. i didn't have any idea why and when i saw the book i knew that was why i was there. so in closing your concept of ego and your description of "dumping attention from my upper center to my lower center stirred my heart" can be seen as just as valid as any other.

[transiten]

beautiful just beautiful! i am starting to think that maybe the 2 sided coin can answer all our woes and questions :)
what is important is seeing yourself in others and judging/balancing morality in all the small things! give and be given, thank and be thanked... and so on!
the fact of that matter is that the sts people are not at all bad or evil, they are just simply, the other side of the coin :)

love,
ra ma

ps: i really like the name you've chosen! and by the way, kind of late but, welcome to the forum!

good point apophis!

welcome to paradox. being able to contend both the light and the dark inside without projecting the dark onto others, individuation in the terms of cg jung, a favourite concept i keep coming back to.

and ra ma bet you've got some virgo and libra in your chart talking about "balancing small things"...now i know astrology should be kept in the astrology thread, and preferably kept on the collective level. astrology is truly a discovery of the light and dark of our own psyche reflected in the constellations of the heavens. and since "there's only one of us here" it applies to both the individual collective and mundane.

the changes are reflected everywhere in all kind of synchronicities as in a hologram "as above so below".

[Sammy]

what is a harvest? why would this word be used so prevalently?

websters defines the word harvest as -
1 - the season for gathering in agricultural crops
2 - the act or process of gathering in a crop
3a - a mature crop (as of grain or fruit) or yield
3b - the quantity of a natural product gathered in a single season <deer harvest> <ice harvest>
4 - an accumulated store or productive result <a harvest of revenue>

as i look upon this reality there can be a few ways to interpret this;

those who wish to escape this place, and only want to leave all this misery behind, can look upon this as:
"take me away, carry me off, i don't want to be a part of this any more! harvest my sole from the fields of earth!"

those who wish to make a difference, and are willing to change, can look upon this as:
"take away all the negative oppressive things that are infringing on my ways and understandings of life. as the branches of the peach trees are draped low with the weight of the fruit, please take this burned off of me!"

when i myself, reread these passages, i can see with is coming from fear, and which is coming from love.

personally i have come to find that this "harvest" is a harvest of the ego. it is a harvest of control.
i ask you who controls the oceans?
who controls the sunrise?
what is the reason for the weeds growing in the garden?

the answers are simple, they are a part of life itself.
the question of who built the playground may not cross a child's mind, that is because the children are simply enjoying the gifts that have been given.

does it matter if there are weeds in your garden?
who is to say that those weeds are not a crop as well?
is the dandelion a weed or an herb?
these questions are about control.
do you control what is in the garden? or is it the soil and the seed that allows the plant to manifest?

in my personal opinion, this planet was once a planet with no recognition of ego, yet it had the capacity to manifest it. thus the soil was tilled and the seeds were sown. and now we are seeing the harvest of that crop, the harvest of ego.

this does not mean that the ego disappears. the crop may be planted once more... the plants may come back from the soil next season... will we as a people know what the fruits are good for?
it is not about controlling the fruit as it grows or stopping the growth from happening, it is about recognizing the value of the growth, be it, a weed as you see, it or a peach tree. this has naturally occurred on our planet, love the place you live, or fear that it will be overgrown.


this is my first post, and i have chosen the name apophis, for a simple reason, we are binding light and dark, we are finding a balance, we are one.
thank you for reading.

i've had much deliberation with this concept. i think it goes from point of view. depending on what you want is what you will see. it would be difficult i think for them to go back from that as well, if they have "harvested" the negative from thier conscious realm.

the simple act of wanting a harvest would make you be harvested from others as well, and infact is probably what the harvested people see from thier point of view. things get confusing because there is no steady physical mass to stabalize the reality, and it would change by the thought to each point of view.

the consequence also is less "space" to travel, since you willed it to be harvested. whether its good from bad or bad from good it has to be a unity to last forever. you would be basicly removing half of the conscious source field (or whole thought) from your enviroment. im not meaning evil has to live, but it does need to be known or remembered to be avoided. acts are always the same, but the people who do them can grow out of those.

dtris,

i like this point of view you offered, the harvest is your own personal growth. or rather occasionaly processing your learned lessons for a higher ground consciously, and your acts will mirror those thoughts toward the common goal. if its a personal goal where you benefit most. your harvest will yield a negative, because the result will be negative (i.e. no sunlight). when this happens you actualy stunt your capacity, it holds you back because your goal is narrow. it not that the field is holding you back, but you just cant see beyond that realm or view due to your goals intent.

[Apophis]

ps: i really like the name you've chosen! and by the way, kind of late but, welcome to the forum!

thank you!


the beautiful thing about forums like this is that we can share our knowledge and in a mutual exchange we can all grow from it. personally i find it very useful to try to have very clear ideas about what we mean about certain terms like ego. this means that we can increase each others understanding of the concepts through mutual exchange. - so in closing your concept of ego and your description of "dumping attention from my upper center to my lower center stirred my heart" can be seen as just as valid as any other.

yes this is wonderful! and thank you!

lets see... how can i help visualize to you what i see inside...
so the symbol for infinity is a figure 8 on it's side. let us center this sideways figure on our heart. this crossing of infinity represents the unified point, where all is one and can easily see that there is no separation. if we now imagine that figure 8 as circular, such as a toroid, we can see that where the lines come to cross actually creates a funnel from both ends. are you still following me? okay, now just as in an electric jacobs latter there is spark or life that "jumps the gap". this may produce images in your mind similar to what a red blood cell looks like. in short, the farther away from the center the spark gets, in either direction, the easier it is to see the separation... or dualistic nature of reality, such that if the root and crown are at the turning point, of our imaginary infinity torus, they can be seen as touching the earth and the sky, and also the greatest identification of separation. to complete this picture, we may look at the solar plexus / throat areas as the first inclination of separation where most likely there is still "connection" or a jump of spark. the sacral / third eye as where separation is felt and contemplated. and the root / crown where separation is completed and in turn, integrated back toward the heart.

in my case, the upper portion of this toroid was wide open, whilst the lower portion was closing fast. in order to find polarization within myself a balance had to be maintained. this meant transferring energy, or attention, from the upper half to the lower half. anyone know what i'm talking about?

p.s. thank you all for taking the time to read about others. it is very loving of you.

[Dtris]

i think i understand what you mean apophis.

now i am going to make a small change and say do we want the harvest to be soon? i am not sure i do. the idea is wonderful, but at the same time there are so many things i want to do in this life. how long will the harvest take? bringing in a wheat field is not done in a day usually. while the harvest may begin in the next couple years how long will it take to complete? i don't know.

[Jeia Ra Manuk]

hehe, well i thought you said you view things differently then you/us, because you know about kaballah, and view things from that perspective... so i was just pointing out that i am also very interested in the kaballah and that a lot of the things you mentioned are alike the eastern philosophies i have studied! :)

we are all sharing opinions so that we can build a new world view that includes all of our believes and understandings :)

and no harm done on the word mix-up, we all know what you meant!


why did that part offend you?

oh and yea i meant service to self. should have proofread but i was getting ready to leave for class so i was rushing a little.

[Jeia Ra Manuk]

well i never keep my bday secret, it's on my profile! i am a libra and i take it very seriously!
i am always telling everyone who comes to me for advice upon a problem, to make con/pro charts! :)

and obviously to stick to the topic of the harvest!
although we can talk about it forever, it's either going to happen or not!
so to me the most interesting thing is how it's going to go down.....
did ra ever mention anything about the process itself?

anybody? :)


good point apophis!

welcome to paradox. being able to contend both the light and the dark inside without projecting the dark onto others, individuation in the terms of cg jung, a favourite concept i keep coming back to.

and ra ma bet you've got some virgo and libra in your chart talking about "balancing small things"...now i know astrology should be kept in the astrology thread, and preferably kept on the collective level. astrology is truly a discovery of the light and dark of our own psyche reflected in the constellations of the heavens. and since "there's only one of us here" it applies to both the individual collective and mundane.

the changes are reflected everywhere in all kind of synchronicities as in a hologram "as above so below".

[Apophis]

when ra was questioned directly on a time, he replied, "the harvest is now". i took this to mean it was going to happen over a 40 year period or so, 20 or so years before 2012 when the reading was taking place, and 20 or so years after 2012. this would blend naturally into a life-cycle. it's not like we will wake up one morning and all the evil "military industrial complex" will be forgotten and have disappeared. slowly the people bent on pursuing it's unjust manipulation/control hierarchy will either loose interest, be killed, or commit suicide. we simply don't have full grown plants the moment a seed germinates.

the idea of polarizing happens with evolution and growth, over time. such as "one step at a time".

if the average person regained polarized balance tomorrow; all fast food places would be abandon, gas vehicles would be of no use, banks would close, things would change so fast no one would be ready for the new world. think about it, i mean really think about it... this forum would be left behind because we as a people would be able to feel each-other once again, we would be able to perceive each-other once again. there would be no need to "spell it out". this world is far from the "golden times" we all wish to see, yet it is truly on the journey to getting there.

ra also said that few will be harvested in the beginning, and then more would come to join them. those who were already on there way will find the path easily, and those who wish to join them will then easily see how to get there. it's not necessarily like waking up from a dream, yet it is. in the morning you are still sleepy, and it may be hard to get yourself going, yet once you do, it's all part of the day from there.

at least in america we had a dream to look toward, a white picket fence with a family and ease and comfort in the subdivision. well there are plenty of people waking up from that dream!! and now they are groggy and looking for the coffee, (or what have you) is there any longer an "american dream"? i hope not!!

p.s. i love looking at other philosophies and finding the common threads within them. if we are all one idea of life, then we are all pieces of the puzzle, and we all have something to contribute. just remember no one theology is the only one! living life right now is the only life we live. right now is not in a book.

it's fun to get off topic because we may find that it is leading back on topic. point, match, serve.

[Sammy]

very intrigueing progressing guys! love it! reminds me of a quote i toss out once in a while, "a whole is not whole if even one thing is missing". or in this case people hehe :)

[Sammy]

well i never keep my bday secret, it's on my profile! i am a libra and i take it very seriously!
i am always telling everyone who comes to me for advice upon a problem, to make con/pro charts! :)

and obviously to stick to the topic of the harvest!
although we can talk about it forever, it's either going to happen or not!
so to me the most interesting thing is how it's going to go down.....
did ra ever mention anything about the process itself?

anybody? :)

i believe most texts say that no one will know. if you knew though then you would be done with the "end", and that experience has to be lived when the time comes. like we had been talking about with dreams, if you knew, you would be warmed up to it and not able to experience the moment in its entirety. it would seem more dull to you. also i was having many bad universe moments when i was trying to do the same.

possibly the same reason we arent able to describe certain densities, the people are best to experience in person.

[Jeia Ra Manuk]

well, planting seeds, watching them grow, and picking the up was/is a usual routine for people of all times. remember in contact the alien made the point of changing appearance to be recognizable by contactees.
that's the same process the wanderers went/go through, but permanently. this was more of an example of how a 6d being will acquire a light body by lowering vibration just a bit so that visible light can be produced. then they can project a hologram over this light to be seen as something relevant to the contactee.

then what is after the harvest process? are we devoured by those that stand at the foot of the world tree?
but to us we come out of an egg, sometimes it's inside our mothers and sometimes it has a hard shell, jelly-like shell for fish and bugs. :)
so it does throw me off that this process would be associated with planting and harvesting and eventually eating... and not the hatching... but nevertheless, the idea of consciously letting go of the space/time organic form can be juggled between the metaphors of both hatching and harvesting. after the harvest we will be consciously holding our organic body in orbit, we will begin to shed it through the 4th and 5th density and then our organic body will be harvested and we will literally let it go... nothing will eat us, we are going to be shedding our skin... to allow better contact with the light.

does ra say anything about physical death being a part of harvest/ascension? not sure but this was said:

questioner: am i to understand that the harvest is to occur in the year 2011, or will it be spread out?
ra: i am ra. this is an approximation. we have stated we have difficulty with your time/space. this is an appropriate probable/possible time/space nexus for harvest. those who are not in incarnation at this time will be included in the harvest.

the harvest happens to the energetic body? because it seems a physical body is not needed...

or as ra says:

questioner: which bodies do we have immediately after physical death from this yellow-ray body that i now am in?
ra: i am ra. you have all bodies in potentiation.

but then, on this density physical death is not yet accepted with full consciousness; so seeing this potential depends on the will and awareness of the entity!

peace be with you,
ra ma

[MarkM]

"the harvest is now"... perhaps the ra are speaking of the wide open possibilities of the current times, as i would imagine, for example, in the dark ages of europe the rate of return of our selves to ourselves might have been much slower, even though the potential for harvest is ever-present at any time.

at that time and other olden epochs, buried way back in the long stretch between the turning of ages, people may have been much more concerned with essential survival of themselves and their loved ones, entrenched into the thick of repetitively living lives which were more akin to addressing the earlier and more primary meaning of being in third density modes of existance.

then, many early-to-mid level of evolving third density souls may have been here simply to go through their paces, as we all have.

we are led to consider the possibility that in these times, by comparison, earth is much more top-heavily populated by those souls who are 'older' by comparison, and with the increasing rate of return of that which we create, now is a time in which the veil is being able to be raised somewhat... revelation, in the sense that we are being offered inwardly as well as outwardly the opportunity to have the means by which to responsibly make our choice.

one may come to consider that in these times of fruition of third density experience, all of our chickens are coming home to roost en-masse, and increasingly, there is a distillation of ourselves in which the only the most potent and important of our unresolved issues are facing us, mirrored as it were more and more immediately and clearly by the outer world.

as there is nothing outside of us, the potential of harvest may mean nothing more than our own disciplined and single-pointed intent to replace putting off the hard choices for another day with dealing with it once and for all in the now. i'd bet that everyone who reads this knows full well what hard choices they are up against right now, and yet feels that the future is the time that they'd be better able to deal with it. i know that i'm doing that.

the option of harvest may well be an individual, personal choice, and this now may be merely the best opportunity we'll have to make the choice, for a while. while i believe that our connection to help may be waxing large at this time, and our issues are squarely manifested by us with this in mind, let me ask you this... what big things are you not yet dealing with? mark

[transiten]

well i never keep my bday secret, it's on my profile! i am a libra and i take it very seriously!
i am always telling everyone who comes to me for advice upon a problem, to make con/pro charts! :)

and obviously to stick to the topic of the harvest!
although we can talk about it forever, it's either going to happen or not!
so to me the most interesting thing is how it's going to go down.....
did ra ever mention anything about the process itself?

anybody? :)

so ra ma you are a libra, haven't checked your profile just yet and an astrologer like me? got moon conj neptune and south node in libra myself...and talking about harvest suits well the signs of virgo and libra, the signs of fall.

and english not being my first language, what do you mean by "how it's going to go down"

anyway tried to post a link to an interesting article about the symbolism of the egyptian god apophis viewed in a modern psychological perspective of projection. like when we humans project our own mischievings onto a god outside ourselves instead of discovering our own darkness, polluting mother earth etc. but instead a scary view on the asteroid with the same name showed up, my own subconsious trying to scare me?

well fortunately there's a difference btw the harvest of crops and the harvest of humans, we have the opportunity of instantly bettering our karma should we risk being a bad harvest...

[Jeia Ra Manuk]

:) nice!
well what i meant was how is it going to happen exactly? i know ra pretty much says it's been happening roughly 20 years before now and will for 20 more years... but at some point there has to be an event. because the negative harvest is also happening and the negative beings will have to pretty much disappear from our reality... and then all the unpolarized beings have to go to a different 3d world... you know what i mean.... it's not like they are gonna take them out one by one... that would cause too much questioning and chaos! there has to be a "boom" they are gone, you are left... start living positively!
if that makes sense to you :p english is not my first language either!

love,
ra ma


so ra ma you are a libra, haven't checked your profile just yet and an astrologer like me? got moon conj neptune and south node in libra myself...and talking about harvest suits well the signs of virgo and libra, the signs of fall.

and english not being my first language, what do you mean by "how it's going to go down"

anyway tried to post a link to an interesting article about the symbolism of the egyptian god apophis viewed in a modern psychological perspective of projection. like when we humans project our own mischievings onto a god outside ourselves instead of discovering our own darkness, polluting mother earth etc. but instead a scary view on the asteroid with the same name showed up, my own subconsious trying to scare me?

well fortunately there's a difference btw the harvest of crops and the harvest of humans, we have the opportunity of instantly bettering our karma should we risk being a bad harvest...

[Apophis]

wow markm that was powerful. it really went deep. thank you.

it may take time to really come to terms with a list of personal avoidance.

transiten, i like the way you placed "the harvest" as more of a catalytic term.

this community is awesome! thanks!!

namaste

[Sammy]

:) nice!
well what i meant was how is it going to happen exactly? i know ra pretty much says it's been happening roughly 20 years before now and will for 20 more years... but at some point there has to be an event. because the negative harvest is also happening and the negative beings will have to pretty much disappear from our reality... and then all the unpolarized beings have to go to a different 3d world... you know what i mean.... it's not like they are gonna take them out one by one... that would cause too much questioning and chaos! there has to be a "boom" they are gone, you are left... start living positively!
if that makes sense to you :p english is not my first language either!

love,
ra ma

well if its allready been happening for 20 years, most prophecies say the end portion of this will be "golden age" or something similair. so i would say we are near the end of the worste of it, maybe 2012 is the halfway point. or rather the summit and now we start the descent. they says natural distasters world wide: tsunami (philipines, indonesia), hurricanes (new orleans, and many others), horrifying wars (middle east, russia, and some others), structural colapses (egypt, middle east, north africa, and many others protest).

as things could probably get worse, i dont think anyone could survive it. a shift is iminent, there is no way to escape the will of the mass's. its not over yet, but when it is, it will only get better from there.

[Jeia Ra Manuk]

so following what sam says,
who thinks that a physical death is necessary for the harvest and why?

if ra says that even those without a space/time form will be harvested then i think they are pointing to the fact that our energetic body needs to be adjusted to the new frequencies... and i assume after this happens a new physical body will be formed... but it all happens instantaneously and we will be fully aware through the whole process and not forget any part of the experience! thus those that are going to a 3d world again, will forget just as during any 3d death/birth experience...

at least, that's what it seems like to me!

:)

love,
ra ma

[Apophis]

ra also said that some children, if not all children born today, have both the 3d bodies and 4d bodies. this may be energetically? such as on a super-conscious level we are poised to watch the culmination of 3d and release it, then to be in a state of transition, before we renter the physical world in a new "skin suit" and these children who already have this 4d "skin suit" tailor fit... will have no problem reentering the physical world again.

yes there must be a release of current stasis.

and this is what all the "ego" training has been for. logic is the language of ego, and if there is no escape from physical death, then logic will tell you that every day is another step toward death. so why would one, namely the ego, willingly walk toward it's own death? this is the origin of fear. on the flip side of the coin, our sole is floating in a sea of emotions, so very often absent of calm waters. this death we walk towards is the ultimate calming of emotions, when the sole is "at rest", what a great day to look forward too, emotionally speaking that is. and in the middle of all this madness, is your heart, which is linked to your awareness. this awareness transcends either side of the coin, meaning the coin itself is not important, but the awareness of what a coin is for, is.

we can also look at it like this. if you have collected a hundred thousand baseball cards, part of you collected them for there value. you can exchange them for other cards or what-have-you, they are value, and kept as such. another part of you has collected them so you feel more connected to the idols they portray, it is symbolic of acknowledgment. this part of you is happy to share the cards, show them to friends, collect folders or plaques to display them in, it is giving. so one part of the awareness of the collection can be seen as a value, another part can be seen as an offering. the value is feared as a loss, the offering is celebrated as a gift. this is polarization. attaching yourself to neither outcome is freedom.

and to answer the question, yes, the 3d physical body is likened to the baseball card collection. some hold it as value, others as an offering. truly finding the balance with polarized action, is freedom, is freeing you from fear, and is honoring your gift.

you see a 4d body has no sides, no attachment to ego or soul, it simply is. this is the need for polarization. if you can find it in the mist of the most sever testing possibly known.... (to this planet at least) then you have proven that even within the harshest environment you still know your center, and can still express freedom, express the humbleness of life, express love. that is the moment of harvest.....

wow.. maybe it is a harvest of love. and the harvest is not for another race upon another plane, but is a harvest for yourself in the next chapter of your existence.
it could be that you are forwarding yourself the things you need at the destination, before you have even left. that way you do not have to carry it with you, and it will be there when you arrive. i like that.. and i'm goin with it!!

[Dtris]

ra said that there will be a "death" of the physical body because the 3rd density body in incompatible with 4th density. however david thinks this is a transformation and not a normal death experience. however my own issues, for lack of a better word, is that i feel that there is so much more i want to do in 3rd density. so i kind of hope that even if there is a massive alien landing in 2012 and what not that the complete shift won't happen for awhile. even though there is another part of me that wants the shift to happen. so it is kind of confusing for me emotionally.

[Jeia Ra Manuk]

i just thought of something.
going with the analogy of the harvest;

plants need light (well that is obvious) and love (been proven*) to grow!

*indeed everything grows better with love, that is just natural. not only does this someone take full care of you but it is also a source for emotional output via communications, and it has been proven that talking to plants, and being very kind to them of course, benefits their growth/development!

love and light,
ra ma

[transiten]

ra said that there will be a "death" of the physical body because the 3rd density body in incompatible with 4th density. however david thinks this is a transformation and not a normal death experience. however my own issues, for lack of a better word, is that i feel that there is so much more i want to do in 3rd density. so i kind of hope that even if there is a massive alien landing in 2012 and what not that the complete shift won't happen for awhile. even though there is another part of me that wants the shift to happen. so it is kind of confusing for me emotionally.

also ra said: "this dimension is not for understanding". this gradual/instantaneous shift/physical death or not seems to be the single most frustrating issue in these channelings. but of course there must be a meaning to this discussion. as for me i stick to the gradual/normal death perspective. suits my agenda better <lol>

[Jeia Ra Manuk]

correct me if i am wrong,
isn't the veil of forgetfulness supposed to be lifted after/during the harvest?

and like i mentioned above, it seems like we will shed the 3d body, then our energy bodies will be adjusted to the 4th density frequencies and then a new physical body will be overlaid...
so the difference seems to be that we will die and be reborn spontaneously with all our memories intact.

does that sound about right? :)

love,
ra ma

[billybobbutterball]

correct me if i am wrong,
isn't the veil of forgetfulness supposed to be lifted after/during the harvest?

and like i mentioned above, it seems like we will shed the 3d body, then our energy bodies will be adjusted to the 4th density frequencies and then a new physical body will be overlaid...
so the difference seems to be that we will die and be reborn spontaneously with all our memories intact.



does that sound about right? :)

love,
ra ma

hi, liz..sounds pretty much as i interpret it except for the use of the term. "reborn"...of which semantics still (despite your declaimer otherwise ) carry a sense of re-incarnating as a 'physically' and mentally immature "baby"-- i.e., as in 3d.
we don't "die" we merely shed the 2d physical body we were assigned and move "upward and onward" without skipping a beat.

disclaimer...my contribution above is limited by my interpretation. billybob

[billybobbutterball]

hi, liz..sounds pretty much as i interpret it except for the use of the term. "reborn"...of which semantics still (despite your declaimer otherwise ) carry a sense of re-incarnating as a 'physically' and mentally immature "baby"-- i.e., as in 3d.
we don't "die" we merely shed the 2d physical body we were assigned and move "upward and onward" without skipping a beat.

disclaimer...my contribution above is limited by my interpretation. billybob

i must confess that i'm not happy with my post above...it is very narrow-minded and only apples to limited circumstance -- does not consider the unusual situation coming down the line; for instance that the earth will separate into two planets, one 4d the other 3d. as i understand it -- that beside the majority parking upstairs -- there will be survivors locally with some transplanted (ever so subtle?)to the 4d world. evidently this is something of a new venture across the cosmic play board so there will be improvisations.. once more i'm reminded about how little i really know about this aspect...

the point i want to get across is that we are not bodies with spirits but rather spirits borrowing a body...how concerned should we be in separating from our long-serving/suffering meat suit? well, i have patted a few cars on the hood in saying goodby...of course the one that almost killed me got a kick in the tire....nah. just kidding. after all, what could i expect? it did its best...after all it was a corvette! billious,g aka bbb

[Jeia Ra Manuk]

originally posted by billybobbutterball
hi, liz..sounds pretty much as i interpret it except for the use of the term. "reborn"...of which semantics still (despite your declaimer otherwise ) carry a sense of re-incarnating as a 'physically' and mentally immature "baby"-- i.e., as in 3d.
we don't "die" we merely shed the 2d physical body we were assigned and move "upward and onward" without skipping a beat.
"a new physical body will be overlaid... so the difference seems to be that we will die and be reborn spontaneously with all our memories intact."
well i said this, stating that, so no worries i know that you are just underlining that to make a point. and what a good point to raise! indeed there is no die or forget or even the return to infancy. the only way to lift the veil is to go back to the same age of our development yet with full conscious understanding and memories of the events that took place!


disclaimer...my contribution above is limited by my interpretation.

your interpretations are a great contribution!


i must confess that i'm not happy with my post above...it is very narrow-minded and only apples to limited circumstance -- does not consider the unusual situation coming down the line; for instance that the earth will separate into two planets, one 4d the other 3d. as i understand it -- that beside the majority parking upstairs -- there will be survivors locally with some transplanted (ever so subtle?)to the 4d world. evidently this is something of a new venture across the cosmic play board so there will be improvisations.. once more i'm reminded about how little i really know about this aspect...

the point i want to get across is that we are not bodies with spirits but rather spirits borrowing a body...how concerned should we be in separating from our long-serving/suffering meat suit? well, i have patted a few cars on the hood in saying goodby...of course the one that almost killed me got a kick in the tire....nah. just kidding. after all, what could i expect? it did its best...after all it was a corvette! billious,g aka bbb

who were you saying goodbye to? :)

bill provides an answer.....over the years about a dozen faithful cars wore out -- eventually it became time for them --one by one --to go to car heaven...the corvette was a hot-rod race car that proved too dangerous for me to play with...so it went to a race car driver -- who promptly smashed it up.


love,
eliz

[H20]

ok.... almost done reading the entire law of one (which is awesome!). it's really heady and sometimes frustrating due to the somewhat ( totally understandable though for the 80's) naive questions asked and the wordy dialogue, but i'm trying to wrap my "complex" around the purpose of negative harvesting. i understand the universe/ creator must have polarities (pos and neg) for free will to form out of the logos. as well as, exceeding to higher densities. but how is it beneficial for someone to take the negative path to higher densities?
i'm also interested in the transition phase from 3rd density to 4th density (positive) dealing with death and those that aren't ready to go to the 4th. do they stay in the 3rd after 2012 and live on, on this planetary sphere?
do they die and go to a parallel planetary sphere of this one? ...or something else and i'm just missing the jist of it?
and in relation to the ones that are harvested for 4th; what is the process of transition in simple non- ra terms?

[Apophis]

okay, i'm not as versed in loo as many of the great people here, but i will throw in my 2 cents.

to answer your questions i'll start with the last one first.

the transition will be somewhat seamless. there will be no painful death, or serious disease that takes you down. although you may see things like this happen in the world around you... the people experiencing them have a contract to fulfill with there spirit. if you are reading this and are into the "advancement" of your spirit, then it is likely that you will be one of the people helping and guiding "lost souls" to their comfortable places. in "non ra" terms, many who are on this path will experience a brief time of ecstasy, or nirvana, and then fade into a new type of reality. almost as if, bringing back part of "god or creator" from the unity point. others who are not ready to fulfill there divine connection to the creator, will essentially "repeat the class" meaning they will start 3d over, and "nothing will have changed". although they will be confronted with starting again, just as we all are, they will mostly still fail to see the divinity of all life.

as it states in the loo, this planet is moving onto the next level as well. this means those who "graduate" will stay on this planet if they choose, and those who do not graduate will be moved to a "new school" with "new teachers".

and finally, the hardest question to answer. this is where a lot of people get confused.
there are those who accept that they are one with creation and are able to manifest and move within it. then there are those who accept the job of manipulating creation. they see the world as an absence of divinity. where nothing is connected and it is all for them to manipulate. what they don't see is, that by doing this, they are non-coherently accepting that all things are connected (as there servants). they do not co-create, they mono-create, only seeing themselves as divine. yet simply accepting that that divinity is within the world (self orientated, or universally orientated) is the key to the next level. basically the difference is unity vs. separatism.

what is the benefit of separatism you ask? simply, everyone does everything you tell them to do, instantly! weather it is of true benefit or not... that does not matter.

self beneficial, or universally beneficial, you get to choose how you see the divine.

[transiten]

hello!

one year and a lot of explanations later i still wonder regardless of who is going to "stay" in 3d or "go to another planet" or "another dimension" there must be some left wondering "ooops, where did those pple go?"

or is it that those going to another 3d planet will not notice they are no longer on planet earth?

and those graduates choosing to stay with planet earth, now 4d i suppose (must be another dimension. almost like where the deceased are dwelling) will not have the company of those moved to another 3d planet.

and the sts non graduates will stay on 3d planet earth tampering with the debris left over form cataclysmic events? some sts as i understand will graduate to 4d and 5d negative, not an easy thing to do, carla rueckert say not even hitler and djengis kahn managed to do that.......

sorry for exaggerating somewhat, but i think these questions are valid, and all the same i stick with what ra says about all these questions: "this dimension is not for understanding"- and truly, i gave up a long time ago thinking what will be will be, now aspiring for going into the only place worth being these days, my own heart.

transiten

[billybobbutterball]

gee, lilliane...those are very big questions! i don't have any solid answers --just very hazy ones that i don't think of any importance or accuracy,

however! about hitler....your memory is correct...he didn't graduate to neg 4-d even tho he is on the negative side..but some of those associated with hitler did pass with flying colors...(that doesn't sound right....)

however, you did make a mistake concerning ghenkis kahn as he did graduate, big time!...but where did the "conqueror of the world" end up? hmmm... looks like the competition for top dog is pretty fierce! "ghenks" was last reported to be working as an orion shipping clerk, charged with keeping the orion crusaders supplied with needed support on their mercy mission to rescue souls from the nonsense of not 'serving themselves' but instead acting as nice guys in trying to be their brother's/sisters keepers.

love! billious g aka bbb p.s. by the way...loved your amazing spoon story!

[Apophis]

i still wonder regardless of who is going to "stay" in 3d or "go to another planet" or "another dimension" there must be some left wondering "ooops, where did those pple go?"

who knows if this is "right" or not, but here is how i understand it.

it's like high school, some students will easily get into advanced classes while they are there, others will not see the point and drop out. equating the 4 years of school to the total time you are alive on this planet. your "graduation day" is the day you die. not saying everyone has the same graduation day! or that there will be a major die off of people on this planet! simply that your natural life is equal to the time you spend at school. i believe everyone will live out there lives as normal. being born and living to an old age if they wish. and when you are freed from this physical form you will also be freed from "school" again some will have learned enough in high school to go onto collage others will have dropped out and in order to ever go to collage they will need to take the required high school classes.

there will be a turning point! that is when this planet is more accepting of collage level students than high school level students. at this point it may be easier for some to "drop out" because they cannot handle the advanced concepts that are taking place here. and that is a natural part of life. some are simply not ready for that level of awareness, while others are ready for doctorate level classes right out of high school! it's simply our own choices in life. what level of school are you willing to take yourself to?

sto students will help each other with the homework while sts students will copy the answers from other people or pay someone else to do their work for them.

[transiten]

thanks apophis. it's the "turning point" i'm talking about. so my question still is: those who "drop out" in what manner do they do that? by normal death or? and so the rest of my questions follows as above....

[Dtris]

my understanding is that there will be an event where the the earth becomes 4th density in our lifetimes. when this event occurs those who are harvestable in the sto orientation will stay on earth, those who are harvestable for sts will go to some other planet. those who need more time will be going to the new earth that is being terraformed by the council of saturn. however how this will happen i do not know for sure. according to dw the graduates will transform as the 4th density green ray body/vehicle materializes. the 3rd density yellow ray body/vehicle is incompatible with 4th density. so the question is whether those of us who don't graduate will die a physical death and be reincarnated on this new planet and start from scratch, or if we will be put in suspended animation so to speak and be transferred. if transferred is the case then perhaps the terraformers are making an exact copy of earth as it is now and those that get transferred will simply wake up one morning with all kinds of people missing and think the rapture occurred. who knows though.

[transiten]

exactly dtris!! who knows?

all these scenarios mentioned here i'm already familiar with. what i'm wondering about is the actual way in which it's going to manifest. i mean "transferred" to an exact "copy of earth". would that "new earth" be detectable from the "old one"? or would it be like a completely "other dimension?" i never heared of galaxies and solarsystems being in another dimensions like deceased pple,except for maybe in a "black hole" meaning a parallell universe not detedctable from the visible one? that is when the "donut" is turned inside out.

[Asa]

i know that the subject of how the transition takes place has been the focus of much discussion but from my point of view ra put the answer very clearly.


63.20 questioner: now as this transition continues into fourth-density activation, in order to inhabit this fourth-density sphere it will be necessary for all third-density physical bodies to go through the process which we refer to as death. is this correct?

ra: i am ra. this is correct.

the only way for an individual to go from 3d to 4d is to experience 3d "death". death then can be viewed as a transmutation and nothing to be feared. fear will act as a block toward movement to higher densities as it signifies the gaining of less than the adequate knowledge of the ways of universal functioning which would be necessary for placement at the higher levels.

these are only my perceptions based upon what i have drawn from the ra material [original title] and has no bearing on how dw perceives the same material. as ra points there is no right and no wrong there is simply the law of one. all forms of perception are necessary for the maximum number of entities to receive the knowledge necessary to progress their ability to achieve the next higher level of unity with creator. all is as it should be.

brother asa

[Asa]

this thread started with what would appear as a simple question "what is harvest". appearance can be deceiving. to understand how ra used the term of "harvest" a little understanding of channeling is in order. the ra material is channeled material--that means that the material was brought through someone who has volunteered their physicalness to be used by an intelligence that is not part of their body/mind/spirit complex to deliver messages to others or to self. when this is done the intelligence that agrees to use their physicalness is limited to the faculties and facilities of the volunteer. what i mean is that if the intelligence being channeled needs to explain a concept or idea it is limited to what it finds within the host's vocabulary.

in the case of carla, she is deeply entrenched in the physical mainstream religiousness of what is called christianity. the master's teachings speaks many parables in which the concept of "harvest" is used. in this sense then "harvest" simply implies the natural completion of a growth cycle. when a crop is cultivated, seeds are sown (the ability to support incarnated beings is established), sprouts begin to appear as the seeds germinate (incarnated beings appear), the young seedlings are tended by being watered, nourished, etc. (beings are given the opportunity for expansion), the young seedlings grow to maturity (we make as much progress as possible in grasping the learnings necessary at 3d), and finally the cycle completes with the "death" of the plant usually accompanied by the "harvesting" of the "fruit" of the plant to be used at the next higher level of use (i.e., the grains of wheat are "harvested" and then used to "make" bread). ironically, the parallels continue in that when the wheat harvested not all grains have progressed at the same time, there will be some that are fully formed and can be utilized to their maximum while there are others that will be at varying degrees of formation from not at all formed to somewhat formed. all are harvested and the wheat is divided from the chaff.

ra then is using the term "harvest" [which probably in their estimation was the most appropriate word available] to describe the evolving progression of conscious through expansion of 3d learning and it's eventual movement toward either more 3d learning [additional practice needed to acquire better skill] or moving on into the next level of learning.

take for instance the becoming process associated with learning to play a musical instrument. you learn the basics of musical scales and how to play various chords or sounds on your particular instrument. then if you are dedicated enough you will evolve into the ability to play simple songs or music on that instrument. more practice and learning of advanced techniques in playing combined with sufficient desire and dedication can lead you to becoming a "professional" on that instrument. more learning and practicing with greater desire and dedication can lead you to becoming a famous renown player of that instrument.

the cycle of evolving into unity with the one is a similar type process though not identical. these act for me as simple metaphors of the process so that the 3d need for analysis can be fulfilled.

brother asa

[Apophis]

take for instance the becoming process associated with learning to play a musical instrument. you learn the basics of musical scales and how to play various chords or sounds on your particular instrument. then if you are dedicated enough you will evolve into the ability to play simple songs or music on that instrument. more practice and learning of advanced techniques in playing combined with sufficient desire and dedication can lead you to becoming a "professional" on that instrument. more learning and practicing with greater desire and dedication can lead you to becoming a famous renown player of that instrument.

the cycle of evolving into unity with the one is a similar type process though not identical. these act for me as simple metaphors of the process so that the 3d need for analysis can be fulfilled.

brother asa

i like that. thank you brother asa!

this post has brought forth a metaphor to my mind.

a painter harvests color from his palette to create a painting.

-apophis

[Apophis]

the vision of death has come to me.
it is the death of the ego.
oneness is absent of separation.
the ego is a knife upon which life is separated.
as a spirit experiencing a physical existence, the physical existence is not meant to be the focus of concern, neither is the mental existence.
my life of self-centered-ness is dead, or soon to be.

the expression of, 'live every moment as if it was your last' is a catalyst to boost the end of your own karma.
this is also to only possible when one has erased being scared and afraid of death. as for fear of death comes only from the ego, and being scared of death comes only from the soul. the spirit is part of oneness. seeing life from the spirit, not the soul, or ego, there is no death. this dissipates our fears.

if i am the walking dead, then this physical body has no value beyond experience, likewise, this mind is also of no value beyond experience.
so it is none of my concern what experiences are asked of, in this body and mind. my only concern is to seek the love in every moment.
the expression of love being acceptance of life itself. being present.
personal concern is no longer a necessary value in my energetic web of creation.
this is the death we are facing, as i see it.

-apophis

[Apophis]

we'll start in the thick of things, mid season, beautiful rows of corn beginning to bud there ears. and as we slide into the misted of the corn field we can begin to hear the stalks as they talk to one another.

"o ya sure is a nice day today, i wonder if the wind will pick up? you know how i love to feel the breeze in my leaves."

"man you are so optimistic all the time! how can you be so excited about life?! we are stuck in the middle of thousands of other stalks with no real connection to the world around us!"

"well i mostly focus on the part of the world i am connected to. the wind the water the earth under my roots, they are all part of the earth."

"ya but it's the same nutrient deprived water day after day, and the same old dirt hundreds of other plants have used before us. there's nothing new and exciting here, we have been forsaken by nature."

"you're hopeless. you probably wouldn't even change your mind if you knew the truth."

"what?! truth? what do you know about truth?!? you're just another stalk stuck here in the middle of a thousand other stalks!"

"well, i've heard the legends from the outer plants, and when you pick out the pieces that fit together, they start to make a picture."

"o ya, what kind of pictures do you see amid this trash of an existence?"

"i don't know if you are ready for those kinds of pictures. they can change a plant, forever."

"you just tell me! i'll decide if i'm ready or not!!"

"okay, its your stalk... our lives here have a purpose. we were planted and have a job to do."

"planted?"

"yes put here to serve a purpose."

"are you one of those stalks that think everything is connected, and we all have our own little piece of the big light in the sky?"

"yes and no, it's a bit more complex than that."

"alright whatever, just get on with the story"

"okay, you see there is a great beast that controls us. it walks amongst us sometimes, checking our progress, and fixing those of us that get broken. it is our caretaker in this place."

"drop-off! i can take care of myself!"

"you might think so, but there are things out there which are far beyond any of our control."

"like what?"

"like the big noise!"

"the big noise! are you talking about cropagetton?"

"yes, the end of our season, when the big noise returns and smashes everyone to pieces!"

"what about it? stalks have been talking about it for many bright nights but every time they say it's going to come it never does. i don't believe in the big noise"

"that may be the safest thing for you to do. it's not like you can stop it when it does come!"

"so what if it is true! what are we supposed to do about it!"

"exactly!"

"what?"

"there is noting we can do."

"bullfrog! we can fight against it! how can it stop all of us! if we can work as a team!"

"that's not going to help, because it will stop all of us!"

"well we can crumple before it gets here! stupid big noise! it can't get us if we're not here!!"

"but that is abandoning your purpose, it's turning away from the original reason you were planted here."

"you're saying the reason i'm here is to be smashed up by the big noise!!"

"yes."

"i don't buy that! not for one second! there is way more here than just to be smashed by something we cannot even stop! all the little bugs and birds that stop by here, all the cool days we are warmed by the big light in the sky, they were all for nothing!!"

"no, they were for you to enjoy while they were here, and for you to remember when they are not."

"so what that's it! there's nothing more to this life but waiting for the big noise!"

"well, i've heard other legends about what happens after the big noise. they speak of our seed being used for something else, to be made into a new kind of stalk. they say that some of our seed will be used to plant the next season. they say that some will be no good and fed to the pig beast. they also say that some will be taken into the tall one and changed into something else."

"what do you mean something else?"

"i do not know. but the great beast who walks among us uses it."

"so we are changed into something else after the big noise smashes us, and the great beast uses us in a different way?"

"yes but only if you are big and strong, remember some get thrown to the pig beast!"

"yikes! i better grow strong! i want to know what we change into after the big noise! i would rather something new than to simply be planted here for next season!"

"ah, it feels like the breeze is picking up!"

"ya it feels good in my leaves.... wow i see what you mean now about enjoying the good parts and not getting stuck on the bad ones! but is there anything else i can do before the big noise gets here?"

"yes, you can help other stalks to know the truth of the big noise. you can help them be big and strong, so that maybe you can see them again when we are something new."

thanks for reading
-apophis

[scottki]

this was taken from the april 14, 2007 session;


because this is not a physical alteration but a metaphysical alteration, there is no physical marker for the end of the time lateral. and indeed, this time lateral has been very successful compared to experiments in the past. the accumulation of awakening interest in altering the course of the vibration of planet earth has been late in starting but has rapidly spread and gained strength in all parts of your globe, in all peoples, cultures and places. your world is truly waking up.

the end of the time lateral is the harvest day so i think this means that nothing physical will happen?

[Jeia Ra Manuk]

but something metaphysical will happen! and knowing that both physicality and metaphysicality take root in the mind, then i am sure the change will be noticeable from the inside as well as the outside, for all else will become a conscious extension of you!

love and light,
ra ma

[scottki]

i hope so. before that q'uo said the metaphysical universe was time/space. so maybe how it works is that if you die before the cut off day of harvest/end of the time lateral one could theoretically reincarnate but after the cut off day when you die one climbs the steps of light of harvest.

[scottki]

i should have added the following which is what dw and you just said! i cannae wait!

"however, the work of many groups such as this one has created the possibility of a strengthened and lengthened track in the time lateral so that the maximum number of entities may awaken and choose whether to serve others or to serve the self before the time of such choice has passed. once again, there will be no physical change when this time has passed. there will only be a change in the core vibration of the atoms of your universe, atom by atom, cell by cell, being by being."

[Jeia Ra Manuk]

yeah scott,
imagine your energetic body, the time/space body, going in for a tune up :)

love and light,
ra ma

[EileenRose]

hi, i am new to this thread....though not new to living life at its fullest.

i have been looking at the 3d and 4d ideas for some time. so i have joined cosmos to investigate. the law of one channelingss seem to help on this thought process (inner as well).

lately i have felt another dimension, inside myself. i have been calling it the god dimension...as creation seems to expand outwards (from it). what happens when i am in it, reflects outwardly the next time period (day). is this 4d? got me. i am still getting use to it....and revealing it outwardly (communicating) about it.

and the 'harvest' dates seem to be setting. though a slight alteration might be in the works. see clif high's webbot reports for some of these 'harvest' like date patterns currently manifesting. i myself didn't feel i would age past march 21, of 2012....for most of 2011 i felt this way. others have reported similar feelings. so now is the perfect time to take a look at this topic. ...the harvest.

eileen

[Apophis]

this could very well be alluding to collecting all the positive parts of your life and using them. harvest of your own gifts and skills. now is the time to take the wheel of your own life. take yourself to the processor, if all the things you have collected add up to a positive outcome then there is nothing to fear.

[gemlove]

hi eileenrose, i am loving the name, eileen sounds like i lean as in i lean to and from god and both polarities equalling the same which is harvestable. to me rose means risen and also a flower perfect for harvest. i liked what you wrote describing the feeling of god/source energy and the after effects because it reminds me of yoga, whilst performing yoga you enjoy its action and afterward there is a pause to feel the effects, like an extention of the real self. when addressing the source sometimes i like to call the name alaha which is aramaic for that which has no opposite. i haven't read about the webbot thing but it sounds interesting so i may look into it, thanks. gem

hi apophis, thanks for reminding us about the wheel, sometimes my wheel directs me to some places of myself i had forgotten about and sometimes i do feel a bit of fear, i guess these are the parts of myself ready for processing into the harvestable and fear is just another opportunity to love myself more :0)

[Apophis]

questioner: when graduation occurs at the end of a cycle, and entities are
moved from one planet to another, by what means do they go to a new
planet?

ra: i am ra. in the scheme of the creator, the first step of the
mind/body/spirit/totality/beingness is to place its mind/body/spirit complex
distortion in the proper place of love/light. this is done to ensure proper
healing of the complex and eventual attunement with the totality/beingness
complex. this takes a very variable length of your time/space. after this is
accomplished the experience of the cycle is dissolved and filtered until only
the distillation of distortions in its pure form remains. at this time, the
harvested mind/body/spirit/totality/beingness evaluates the density needs of
its beingness and chooses the more appropriate new environment for either
a repetition of the cycle or a moving forward into the next cycle. this is the
manner of the harvesting, guarded and watched over by many.

questioner: when the entity is moved from one planet to the next, is he
moved in thought or by a vehicle?

ra: i am ra. the mind/body/spirit/totality/beingness is one with the
creator. there is no time/space distortion. therefore, it is a matter of
thinking the proper locus in the infinite array of time/spaces.

questioner: while an entity is incarnate in this third density at this time he
may either learn unconsciously without knowing what he is learning, or he
may learn after he is consciously aware that he is learning in the ways of the
law of one. by the second way of learning consciously, it is possible for the
entity to greatly accelerate his growth. is this correct?

ra: i am ra. this is correct.

questioner: then although many entities are not consciously aware of it,
what they really desire is to accelerate their growth, and it is their job to
discover this while they are incarnate. is it correct that they can accelerate
their growth much more while in the third density than in between
incarnations of this density?

ra: i am ra. this is correct. we shall attempt to speak upon this concept.
the law of one has as one of its primal distortions the free will distortion,
thus each entity is free to accept, reject, or ignore the mind/body/spirit
complexes about it and ignore the creation itself. there are many among
your social memory complex distortion who, at this time/space, engage
daily, as you would put it, in the working upon the law of one in one of
its primal distortions; that is, the ways of love. however, if this same entity,
being biased from the depths of its mind/body/spirit complex towards
love/light, were then to accept the responsibility for each moment of the
time/space accumulation of present moments available to it, such an entity
can empower its progress in much the same way as we described the
empowering of the call of your social complex distortion to the
confederation.

this says to me that we are in the harvest now.

the part where it says "place its mind/body/spirit complex distortion in the proper place of love/light" to me, means we put ourselves into the situations we need to be in, in order to awaken ourselves to life itself. once there the attunement/atonement begins. this experience may be the feeling of oneness and that you truly are connected and dynamically orchestrate with the world around you. after this occurs you realize that you are the one making all the choices in your life, and that those choices are filtered down into a single choice. at this point in time this single distilled decision will be in one direction or another, essentially upward or around the loop again.

once you have made your decision, i suggest you diving right in!

my final question was... do i love myself enough to let myself go?

[Burton]

this says to me that we are in the harvest now.

the part where it says "place its mind/body/spirit complex distortion in the proper place of love/light" to me, means we put ourselves into the situations we need to be in, in order to awaken ourselves to life itself. once there the attunement/atonement begins. this experience may be the feeling of oneness and that you truly are connected and dynamically orchestrate with the world around you. after this occurs you realize that you are the one making all the choices in your life, and that those choices are filtered down into a single choice. at this point in time this single distilled decision will be in one direction or another, essentially upward or around the loop again.

once you have made your decision, i suggest you diving right in!

my final question was... do i love myself enough to let myself go?


when ra states the first step of the "mind/body/spirit/totality/beingness is to place its mind/body/spirit complex
distortion in the proper place of love/light." this is specifically referring to the healing process that happens between incarnations. that is why it can take an extremely variable amount of time. it depends on the amount of distortion accumulated during the prior incarnation. (the example of hitler and maldek are good examples of very long periods of time in this state)

imo after reading the q'uo material, harvest is an on going event spanning years of our time but also a specific event that happens for each entity at the end of it's incarnation. q'uo states (and i'm paraphrasing) that the energies of our wanderers have lessend the distortions on our planet to an extent that we have reached a point where we will all be allowed to live out our incarnation and walk the steps of light (aka: at this time, the harvested mind/body/spirit/totality/beingness evaluates the density needs of its beingness and chooses the more appropriate new environment for either a repetition of the cycle or a moving forward into the next cycle. this is the manner of the harvesting, guarded and watched over by many.)

to clarify when q'uo states "allowed to finish our incarnations" i believe they mean that we have lessened the inharmonious energies of the mother earth. the strong mix of energies (negative and positive) were causing a difficulty transition for the planet to 4d. this had the potential to cause catastrophic changes (much 'worse' then we have seen to date, possibly killing us all) but with the increasing amount of love in the hearts of the people, we have reached a point where the physical difficulty of the birthing process into 4d has been significantly lessened.

[PKibler]

Hello all. I have read the entire law of one series but haven't heard the answer I'm looking for. I have a personal question, and I feel I have an answer also. I have moved to Japan and decided to come here alone. I have no idea why but there wasn't a true logical thought to leave my wife and children behind. It was instinctual, and I believe it was meant to be. The last couple years I have been very emotional, unlike never before. But being away from my 2 beautiful children is making me sooooo extremly sad. I know this is a test for myself. But it's HARD. I'm so sad anymore and am have thoughts it's lowering my vibrations for the coming harvest. Please does anyone have any thoughts on this matter. In my heart I feel it is only human nature. Is being sad a negitative or positive? My heart is full of love but sadness also... Please let me know your thoughts...

[EcyaC]

Hello all. I have read the entire law of one series but haven't heard the answer I'm looking for...

I don't see how the law of one series didn't give you the answer you're looking for. I think everything's "instinctual" and "meant to be" including your sadness. The LoO says there's no mistakes and only perfected oneness.

I think you should look at it this way: imagine you are your daughters.

Let's say in the astral realms, or in dreamland, we're allowed to check-in on loved ones realities as if everything that is is recorded. When your daughters check in on yours you can bet they want to discover you've been sad because of the fact you're away from their beautiful, angelic, presence. When they discover you're miserable about not being with them then their vibrations probably sour to heights you're likely incapable of ever achieving yourself.

If the Earth is an entity anything like me, it takes a whole lot more than negativity from one person to even leave a dent in my overall spirit/vibration. If you're positive then your higher vibrations can do more for the Earth than you likely realize...and if you're negative then your lower vibrations can do way less than you ever could have imagined...and sometimes your lower vibes can manage to do absolutely nothing at all so I wouldn't sweat about feeling sad you're away from them if I were you.

[PKibler]

I don't see how the law of one series didn't give you the answer you're looking for. I think everything's "instinctual" and "meant to be" including your sadness. The LoO says there's no mistakes and only perfected oneness.

I think you should look at it this way: imagine you are your daughters.

Let's say in the astral realms, or in dreamland, we're allowed to check-in on loved ones realities as if everything that is is recorded. When your daughters check in on yours you can bet they want to discover you've been sad because of the fact you're away from their beautiful, angelic, presence. When they discover you're miserable about not being with them then their vibrations probably soar to heights you're likely incapable of ever achieving yourself.

If the Earth is an entity anything like me, it takes a whole lot more than negativity from one person to even leave a dent in my overall spirit/vibration. If you're positive then your higher vibrations can do more for the Earth than you likely realize...and if you're negative then your lower vibrations can do way less than you ever could have imagined...and sometimes your lower vibes can manage to do absolutely nothing at all so I wouldn't sweat about feeling sad you're away from them if I were you.

Thank you. I needed to hear this. I will maintain my positivity because I know I will be with them soon enough! Mix in some meditation and Wa-La, spirits will be higher. I can't focus on the negative. I know that this is a test I have given my self and I need to remember this. I''m excited about the harvest, not sure when it's going to be, but I hope soon!!!

[cannymind]

Hi,

I've got a question that I'm confused about.

So here goes...

Now that we are almost at the end of transition to 4d as of 2013, I was under the impression if u didn't make it to 4d with the earth then u would go to another 3d planet to carry on ur path. So far no one has gone and no one has changed? Does this mean everyone made it to 4d or am I miles off with what I think I know??

Someone enlighten me please x

[Natho]

I believe the inaccuracy of the statement ley within one's assumption that there is only one plane here, many feel they will enter a ship and be cargo'd away as an analogy, this was not what was meant through the transcript, althought the transcript itself expains what is meant without distortion. The distortion ley within you, that there is but 1 realm within this globe so to speak, not so.

Perhaps 'wavelengths' should be considered before you re assess what is meant by 3d-4d etc. :) <3

[Natho]

many things have happened (are) to many, and many are yet to notice...but many of us notice change ;).

I shall share my perspective. By wavelength, i refer to the human instruments ability to connect with the many levels of Earth mind fields...a rought term, forgive :).

Invision that one has WiFi, and is applying an update to the software therefore allowing new streams of thought to connect with your minds eye...as they say. Althought this may sound...trivial, the inheritance is rather overwhealming, as is the absolvement of old perceptions upon the world. A simple change of software (blunt as i may seem) does not change the world that was always there, but the things you may now see as you testdrive your ability to 'intuit' will open up a world of intrigue right before you.
There is a trust factor of the self required, the initial jump (at times) may seem to have one feeling that they are drawing upon irrational thoughts, things that make no sence but feel somewhat resonant.

If any feel this, work with this, in a quiet place to begin with lol. Times of solitide will be needed, desntiny can be difficult to grasp in the beginings, though it will always show its face more regularly.

[luminousman]

My thought are that those who wish to escape have not mastered acceptance and are therefore NOT enlightened. Running away is a cope out and not an expression of love

[Natho]

As the reap approaches, those whom are ready must 'will' themselves into a harvestable formality naturally, and at that point where the reaping comes, the husk is stripped and all of the wheat/fruit is absolved by source and added to its banks so to speak. Those whom are aware of their harvest, and many are, acknowledge that they have been internally 'cleansed' of all baggage/burdens, a great weight is lifted off the shoulders and all the understandings you have gained are placed upon your back like invisible wings.

By contrast one could say that beforehand, we would walk with our wings drapped around us as birds that could not fly, or were not ready to. It has nothing to do with mastery, any master would see himself as a porper beyond trancendants, meekish if you will, fools made kings...by fools.

Harvest is a constant within the universe, grand cycles make themselves known however, many of us will attest to that in quircky ways as the perculiar magnet is moved across the game board by some unknown yet familiar force. Both exciting yet terrifying within the moment of grace, experiencing 10mins of deja vu is NOT what many would consider as fun, in the midst knowing exsactly where you are, why you are and all the while acknowledging that you have created your life from this point, which is the future to most...in the past.

You are creation in that moment, no dillusions, no fantasys, a pawn in the game you have created that is about to end, and you know it is ending before your very eyes. In that moment i remember thinking 'This is it, this is where my life began and where it shall end, no idea where ill be later but this later will not be where i am now. Im an offering at this moment". And that i was, i later conluded, an offering that was. It matters not if this sounds alien to many or familiar to some, this is my story, the story of a fool within a fool.

Sitting on my bed electrified i turn to the clock, 1:00-slides to 1:01. Autopilot initiated.
I lean over grabbing my ughboots, placing the right boot on my left foot, left boot on the right, all the while there is commentary within my mind "here i stand with my two left feet". Walking into the pergola, my life flashing before my eyes, my son asleep in his bed having nightmares. I walked into his room and kissed his forehead "ill watch over you", said the voice, he lazily woke from his nightmare to see my face smiling over him. "your just dreaming" i said, he rolls over in acceptance and back into the realm of deep sleep.

Walking up the hallway i paused, absorbing the pure clarity of the scene 'it seems so real' i thought 'such an intricate illusion of love, yet it is me, its beautiful'. Groggily i made my way to the backyard, standing upon the soft grass looking up at the stars, i could hear the world speaking a thousand languages together. Standing there, with my stupid boots anti polarised to my feet, a man about to walk 2 seperate ways from the center of a mirror, i felt the depth of the universe folding around me. Streaming live i felt, a man in his underpants, an ugly rope and 2 left feet, i ley upon the grass after drawing a heart upon my heart, 'Always' it said within, like a pharaoh without a cartoosh...waiting to meet his maker.

I will not say what disscussions were had, but many words were shared and choices were given. I understood the choices...though my heart felt intuition had something to say about the matter at hand.

There were 2 extreme groups in this arena, both made an offer that came with a sacrifice. Considering heavily that which had been brought forward to my table, holding my heart within my hands, i looked to the entitys with great sincerity/love/compassion...then i told them to go 'F' themselves. In the moment, i listened to my heart for it belongs to no other then myself, none know as i, and none in this exsistance can trick a fool. I shared my peace, my vision with them of my beliefs in life and of the human exsistance here, i proved my faith in myself and all others.

This, to my later knowledge, was part of a test...i realised. There were meetings and cheers, yet still on the grass my body was, shaken like a newborn...one with no taste in attire, yet i was free. In my heart was a new sensation, or at least one i was not familiar with, a radiance of sorts, something once overencumbered now able to shine a light into this world.

Sitting there, after the party, systems operational once again, i laughed at my irony and damned my sence of humor with passion for 'love truly has no limits'. A good sleep i had, a new man i had become.


Thats my story of the harvest, something i will never forget, something worth sharing.
I know who i am. I am two loving fools within one :)

[MarkM]

As the reap approaches, those whom are ready must 'will' themselves into a harvestable formality naturally, and at that point where the reaping comes, the husk is stripped and all of the wheat/fruit is absolved by source and added to its banks so to speak. Those whom are aware of their harvest, and many are, acknowledge that they have been internally 'cleansed' of all baggage/burdens, a great weight is lifted off the shoulders and all the understandings you have gained are placed upon your back like invisible wings.

By contrast one could say that beforehand, we would walk with our wings drapped around us as birds that could not fly, or were not ready to. It has nothing to do with mastery, any master would see himself as a porper beyond trancendants, meekish if you will, fools made kings...by fools.

Harvest is a constant within the universe, grand cycles make themselves known however, many of us will attest to that in quircky ways as the perculiar magnet is moved across the game board by some unknown yet familiar force. Both exciting yet terrifying within the moment of grace, experiencing 10mins of deja vu is NOT what many would consider as fun, in the midst knowing exsactly where you are, why you are and all the while acknowledging that you have created your life from this point, which is the future to most...in the past.

You are creation in that moment, no dillusions, no fantasys, a pawn in the game you have created that is about to end, and you know it is ending before your very eyes. In that moment i remember thinking 'This is it, this is where my life began and where it shall end, no idea where ill be later but this later will not be where i am now. Im an offering at this moment". And that i was, i later conluded, an offering that was. It matters not if this sounds alien to many or familiar to some, this is my story, the story of a fool within a fool.

Sitting on my bed electrified i turn to the clock, 1:00-slides to 1:01. Autopilot initiated.
I lean over grabbing my ughboots, placing the right boot on my left foot, left boot on the right, all the while there is commentary within my mind "here i stand with my two left feet". Walking into the pergola, my life flashing before my eyes, my son asleep in his bed having nightmares. I walked into his room and kissed his forehead "ill watch over you", said the voice, he lazily woke from his nightmare to see my face smiling over him. "your just dreaming" i said, he rolls over in acceptance and back into the realm of deep sleep.

Walking up the hallway i paused, absorbing the pure clarity of the scene 'it seems so real' i thought 'such an intricate illusion of love, yet it is me, its beautiful'. Groggily i made my way to the backyard, standing upon the soft grass looking up at the stars, i could hear the world speaking a thousand languages together. Standing there, with my stupid boots anti polarised to my feet, a man about to walk 2 seperate ways from the center of a mirror, i felt the depth of the universe folding around me. Streaming live i felt, a man in his underpants, an ugly rope and 2 left feet, i ley upon the grass after drawing a heart upon my heart, 'Always' it said within, like a pharaoh without a cartoosh...waiting to meet his maker.

I will not say what disscussions were had, but many words were shared and choices were given. I understood the choices...though my heart felt intuition had something to say about the matter at hand.

There were 2 extreme groups in this arena, both made an offer that came with a sacrifice. Considering heavily that which had been brought forward to my table, holding my heart within my hands, i looked to the entitys with great sincerity/love/compassion...then i told them to go 'F' themselves. In the moment, i listened to my heart for it belongs to no other then myself, none know as i, and none in this exsistance can trick a fool. I shared my peace, my vision with them of my beliefs in life and of the human exsistance here, i proved my faith in myself and all others.

This, to my later knowledge, was part of a test...i realised. There were meetings and cheers, yet still on the grass my body was, shaken like a newborn...one with no taste in attire, yet i was free. In my heart was a new sensation, or at least one i was not familiar with, a radiance of sorts, something once overencumbered now able to shine a light into this world.

Sitting there, after the party, systems operational once again, i laughed at my irony and damned my sence of humor with passion for 'love truly has no limits'. A good sleep i had, a new man i had become.


Thats my story of the harvest, something i will never forget, something worth sharing.
I know who i am. I am two loving fools within one :)

Yeah... kinda with Apophis' OP, we may be tending to think of 'what' in terms of the oceans, continents and stars, rather than who.

[Natho]

Absolutley, even i initially felt that way in the scheme of 'external idolism', and thats a perfectly natural filter to go through.

[Apophis]

the story of a fool within a fool.

The best person to be.

Knowing where you are while your lost.
Loosing yourself while you know your surroundings.

The Fool, greatest mind of our time.


And doesn't the RA say those who are harvested to positive 4th remain on the earth?
Perhaps those who are leaving us at this time due to seemingly unpleasant circumstances are the ones who do not wish to continue with the earth into it's 4D existence.

As for the Unified Consciousness I believe many of us are clearing the blockages that allow that very Consciousness to connect to us. Yes the times are life changing for a lot of people, perhaps not the types of changes we were expecting however life changing none the less.

No one said changing the world for the better would be easy.

Anyhow I'd like to welcome all of you to the new Age. We have a chance to grow into a new way of life. Please join us in this new era of existence.

[Natho]

Thx Apophis

I highly agree with you in that people are now clearing these blockages that allow us to connect with eachother on deeper levels, along with source ofc, and the issue with 'expectation' is that of a pre- determined object (ie, we get what we wish, but what we get does not fit the pre-determined image initially percieved before the final outcome), life is very abstract as such yet far too often do we attempt to create these 'permenant' fixtures that simply do not last (in light of expectation/outcome)

So many of us were/are being harvested though we expect a specific dialogue to be performed as part of the process, this is extremely far from the truth of it. No words can truly describe, nor any image crafted that may maintain one form of clarity upon the subject.

In the daily scheme, one realisation is seen as the consumption of foodstuffs, yet at the same time that which is digested is kept within a basket of circulation (a minor harvest) whilst the obsolete is excreted. Over time the basket of nourishments becomes quite full, which awaits the 'major' harvest, so it is very much a sence of fractal symmetry as several of you have expressed (hopefully im not repeating myself ;)).

Once an individual has become harvested (yet remains incarnated upon Earth), a period of rest takes place where all signals/connections of the sixth sence seem to shutdown (to this i relate in biblical terms: On the 7th day he rested). What you are left with (personally speaking) is a sence of accomplishment without the full clarity of what was achieved, it is like being reborn within an exsisting life that has met great resolve. The 'all knowing' moment is but a moment, not something to be retained permenantly, one assumes this position for the purpose of aligning towards a harvestable initiative (as one whom plans to connect two magnets must have them facing the correct sides in order to attract/connect), yet they must revert to an appropriate position in order to continue the living experience that is within certain guidelines of development.

Ra spoke very precicely, one forgets much beyond this point of harvest, it is inevidable and may be seen as unfortunate but is very appropriate for ascosiations to continue. It is the gradual raising of the basket (offering) that brings one closer to source connections, which is why the mind seems so receptive during these times of harvest, once the basket is emptied and slowly returned to its inert state the connection slowly dissipates due to a completion of process, hence one rests.

Though dont be mistaken here, rest implys a period of night whilst the offerings are incorporated within the fields of source consciousness, for what you give is what you will recieve in turn upon the waking day once all has been 'sorted', one may classify this as the recieving of 'boons' from the old tongue and is quite similar. Although i am speaking with distortions, what i am expressing here is quite accurate and obviously a personal interpritaion through events percieved and filtered through my knowledge banks, even the ego agrees for it cannot deny truth it has experienced...let alone the method. When i say 'forget', one may refer to indexing or bookmarks, the system is refreshed and the book remains, yet there is a new order/method of reading life beyond the harvest. When you are in need, the information will be drawn, though you will find that during a major harvest one must aquire these very accute sensitivitys to source, which is why those within the process are so receptable/open to signals, it is a must for those whom wish to 'knowingly' attend a harvest, but obviously not a general requirement to be harvestable. The choice we make.

The most important factor is to be within the realms of like minded peoples, this is how things are amplified obviously, and to know thyself is to know thy place among men through understanding, which is why i feel that (eventually) our species will inevidably form a divide at some point just as occured during the time of babylons analagouse tower to heaven and the splitting of the tribes. This pattern is repeatable as the day greets the night, there will be no 'middle' class here, just one or the other. Unity from this perspective is present thus achieved by the analagous building of life here together as a species on this world, we are always one you see, so a divide does not imply 'true' division, only the illusion of seperatism through collaboration (which is to say that 'gravity' pushes whilst pulling and is not 'one' directional because it creates a cycle, though we may choose to only pay attention to the intervals).

With that said, Cloud Atlas is an excellent expression of reality, i very much recommend this movie to all :).

I very much hope that this thread continues to develope, transition is a constant and the more we relay personal perspectives with honesty, the more we all expand into something more then the sum of our individual parts.

[Mona]

I have a question, something I dont understand. According to David Wilcocks latest articel, in 4d it´s " literally impossible to create anger, stress, pressure, frustration, disappointment or humiliation -- for yourself or anyone else. " "It is impossible to lie, cheat, steal, disrespect, badger, bully, annoy or dishonor anyone."
And that all sounds good, but what I dont understand is, how can there be negativ/ sts people in 4d if it is impossible to behave like a negativ/sts person in 4d? And if I understand correct there is sts people there, only they are on sts-planets. And it would not be logical if the rules of 4d were diffrent on diffrent planets?
I would really appreciate if you guys could give me your thoughts on this :confused:. Thanks.

[Chris Hamilton]

Hi Mona,

We do have to admit that everyone has their own opinion of what 4D is like :) This is simply Mr. Wilcock's opinion as such, and I am sure he is thinking entirely of positive 4D. LoO indicates that 4D negative will be moved to another someplace somewhere, so in that light, I would say that he was speaking of positive 4D when he said it. Chris

[Natho]

There may be a mild missapprehention as to the nature of STS/STO in the broader constructs of reality as seen by the general viewer, also that in context to positives/negative values. Much is formed through opinion/speculation through the individual bias, as Chris has stated, and there are some simple factors to consider whilst pondering these aspects of creation.

On a foundational (primordial) basis we may assert a visual of chaos where a harmony is gradually imbedded within, and here we may form a relation of good vs evil (which is not true, yet it may have been for the past perspective). Now, consider how people in earlier times assumed this stance whereby trivial things (as seen nowdays) were percieved as evils/negatives, though now we look at them and perhaps laugh, which represents a developed frame of mind.

One must reason with the self in that what is seen as evil (negative/STS) today will not be seen as so in the future because we will have a better understanding of how the flow of nature works. As an example we have the understanding of a 'lie', but also we have that of the 'white lie', and eventually there will be no such thing because we will have reached a critical mass with the concept itself, thus we will trancend the very thought as a child would gradually grasp the concept of santa claus and see through to the deeper meaning, ie to give/accept, to love unconditionally on this day etc. This is roughly what David describes, it is not these 'things' that change, it is our perspective of the universe and ourselves that changes what 'is' real, it is 'trancendance' of old reality constrcuts.

So, to be of negative 4D is just another way of trancendance through old principles we create in thought, logic gives sway to reason, thus we may assert that those of a negative value may appreciate 'logic' over 'reason', but this does not imply that one polarity lacks the aspect of the other, not at all, for both require the other for exsistance. Perhaps one may think in terms of 'nature' over 'technology', this is another perspective, but technology is not neccessarily evil now is it, it can and 'is' used for great purpose. There are many ways to delve into STS/STO, if we were able to speak directly to the entity that is 'Ra' we may missunderstand them and assume that much of what they stand for seems to be very negative, but that would simply be the cause of our narrow vision by contrast to their development.

Its a matter of perspective...i say this far too often lol. :)

[dch047]

Hey folks. I'm new to the truth. I've always been God centered, and I've read books like "The field" and "creative cosmos". However, since reading "Financial Tyranny" on December 16th, my eyes have slowly been opened to the truth surrounding 9/11, Creation of the Federal Reserve, Rothschild takeover of Europe's banking system, right back to Constantine's combining of Christianity with Pagan ideologies. I've weighed the evidence of these events and I have entertained the numerous spiritual avenues related. I'm worried that I have lost my mind. I worry about my sanity. Why isn't everyone waking up faster? How is this gonna end? Are you just saying that some form of Rapture is going to take place? I must admit, I believe in a single Universal consciousness, and that I am one of the positive energies on this planet, but man, I'm a little freaked out these days. Am I ascending by accepting these truths? Any encouraging words out there?

[Natho]

There is much material upon the subject. It is not unusual to feel as if one is loosing their grip on reality when coming into contact with truths, somewhat of a hard-reset followed by a re-format with a large update to the OS, it makes complete sence that in this process one feels as if theyve lost a form of protective layering and is suddenly being bombarded with gamma rays of information. What makes it seem unusual is as you say 'once it begins it moves rather hastily', the speed at which the information alters your view can be startling.

You may assert that this is very much a requirement for the process, how else would one be made aware that they are transforming/trancending old lines of thought and onto a broader network, the alarming factor is simply the contrast percieved between the remnants and the new vision whilst they transit from one to the other. One requires the will to seek along with the intent to know more, once this is achieved the rest runs like clockwork, those whom are as yet to set themselves upon this path will initially envoke the idea that 'why is this not happening to everyone else, and at the same rate?'. All are on the path so to speak, though you may see yourself as having 'stepped up a few notches', the gears of universal motabalism, think of it as a realisation that keyed you into catalysation.

An emotional rollercoaster is to be expected, and with that said one should be wary of expectations, they have a way of making new developments seem like alarming experiences, which adds to the detections of self readiness for the tasks to come. Try to enjoy it, make allowances where you may have initially set walls, but most of all...enjoy the ride my friend :)

You are both ascending to new arenas of thought whilst the old arenas decend, become familiar with a sence of high & low mental states as you progress, the process is extremely dynamic and very specific to the individual so at best we may relate to certain things, the rest you may have trouble explaining to the ordinary Joe so be mindful of your expressions and to whom, they are there to aid with your personal development thus expect not that your local family/friends will understand what you are going through if you try to explain this seemingly irrational experience :)

[vjvousden]

Unlike "ascending on 12-21-12, we should be AWARE when Harvest takes place, right? I am SO ready to do this!