The soul destroyed by nuclear bombs?

[onething]

in the discussion thread on david's latest blog posts, a few people have made reference to the possibility that up to 60,000 people may have been killed in the underground nuclear blasts under virginia and colorado. apparently, the law of one books state that death by nuclear bombing permanently destroys the entity. they say this is a major reason why the ets are determined not to allow nuclear war to happen.

and yet, as one reads sitchin and other sources, the ancient hindu writings describe what must be nuclear war, as well as there being evidence of radioactive bones in india, and some melted glasslike rocks in areas of the middle east, and some ancient middle eastern accounts of what also sounds like nuclear fallout.

so if that has happened in the past, we can assume those souls' existence were deleted? and then why did they allow nagasaki and hiroshima to happen as they were not the first time on this planet?

and if nuclear bombs can permanently delete a soul's existence, what exactly is the cause? can we assume that the intensity of the explosion rends asunder the astral body? what then of other very powerful explosives? what about how near one is to the blast? what if one is very near a powerful explosive versus being a couple of miles or more from a nuclear blast? at what point of distance might a soul survive a nuclear blast, although it kills the body?

it is nice that we hear those watching over us will not allow a nuclear war to happen - but this news that if i should happen to die in a nuclear blast i will be erased from all existence is the most negative news i have ever heard, or ever could hear in any imaginable universe!

so i am not safe after all. and i thought the truth was, that i have a soul that can never die.

[MarkM]

hi onething,

i don’t agree that the dissolution of an entity is possible.

let’s take a careful look at what the ra had to say on the matter:



“26.19 questioner: then what you did, i am assuming, is to create an air of mystery with the ufo phenomenon, as we call it, and then by telepathy send many messages which could be accepted or rejected under the law of one so that the population would start thinking seriously about the consequences of what it was doing. is this correct?
ra: i am ra. this is partially correct. there are other services we may perform. firstly, the integration of souls or spirits, if you will, in the event of use of these nuclear devices in your space/time continuum. this the confederation has already done.
26.20 questioner: i don’t fully understand what you mean by that. could you expand on that a little bit?
ra: i am ra. the use of intelligent energy transforming matter into energy is of such a nature among these weapons that the transition from space/time third density to time/space third density or what you may call your heaven worlds is interrupted in many cases.

therefore, we are offering ourselves as those who continue the integration of soul or spirit complex during transition from space/time to time/space.
26.21 questioner: could you give us an example from hiroshima or nagasaki of how this is done?
ra: i am ra. those who were destroyed, not by radiation, but by the trauma of the energy release, found not only the body/mind/spirit complex made unviable, but also a disarrangement of that unique vibratory complex you have called the spirit complex, which we understand as a mind/body/spirit complex, to be completely disarranged without possibility of re-integration. this would be the loss to the creator of part of the creator and thus we were given permission, not to stop the events, but to ensure the survival of the, shall we say, disembodied mind/body/spirit complex. this we did in those events which you mention, losing no spirit or portion or holograph or microcosm of the macrocosmic infinite one.”


here, we must acknowledge that the ra is speaking of the experiences of those who were destroyed by the trauma of energy release. the third density entity found itself disarranged without possibility of re-integration. all we can take from this is that the entity would be unable to carry on with its journey from third density space/time to third density time/space; time/space being a necessary part of integrating the lessons learned in the just passed space/time experience. the entity is in dire need of help!


“26.22 questioner: could you tell me just vaguely how you accomplished this?
ra: i am ra. this is accomplished through our understanding of dimensional fields of energy. the higher or more dense energy field will control the less dense.
26.23 questioner: then you are saying that, in general, you will allow the population of this planet to have a nuclear war and many deaths from that war, but you will be able to create a condition where these deaths will be no more traumatic than entrance to what we call the heaven worlds or the astral world due to death by a bullet or by the normal means of dying by old age. is this correct?
ra: i am ra. this is incorrect. it would be more traumatic. however, the entity would remain an entity.”


so, the ra specifically state that the entity would remain an entity.



“26.24 questioner: can you tell me the condition of the entities who were killed in nagasaki and hiroshima at this time?
ra: i am ra. they of this trauma have not yet fully begun the healing process. they are being helped as much as is possible.
26.25 questioner: when the healing process is complete with these entities, will this experience of death due to nuclear bomb cause them to be regressed in their climb towards fourth density?
ra: i am ra. such actions as nuclear destruction affect the entire planet. there are no differences at this level of destruction, and the planet will need to be healed.
26.26 questioner: i was thinking specifically if an entity was in hiroshima or nagasaki at that time and he was reaching harvestability at the end of our cycle, would this death by nuclear bomb create such trauma that he would not be harvestable at the end of the cycle?
ra: i am ra. this is incorrect. once the healing has taken place the harvest may go forth unimpeded. however, the entire planet will undergo healing for this action, no distinction being made betwixt victim and aggressor, this due to damage done to the planet.”


again, the ra is being specific about healing taking place.

to me, the total destruction of an entity would necessarily entail the destruction of the one infinite creator, as they are one and the same. fear not, we will all be okay, and we will all find peace and love and joy and reunion beyond present imagining!

hope this helps! mark

[MarkM]

you live now, you live ever. mark

[Jeia Ra Manuk]

here's what caught my eye from the quotes mark provided:

ra:... this would be the loss to the creator of part of the creator and thus we were given permission, not to stop the events, but to ensure the survival of the, shall we say, disembodied mind/body/spirit complex. this we did in those events which you mention, losing no spirit or portion or holograph or microcosm of the macrocosmic infinite one.

:)
i said this over on facebook, let me repeat myself here:

interesting... so it's not that there was an earthquake the day the book came out... but that the day the book came out the elite begin pulling out their hair and destroying the evidence! :) although it's never a good thing that people have to die, i am glad though that their death can be acknowledged in public now, and not like all the past underground experiments that killed thousands and were not reported... just imagine the pain of the families of all these people... one day some dude dressed in black comes to your door and says your loved one is dead, and does not give an explanation... at least now it can all be in the open! there is no my or your truth when it comes to this, but only one truth; that we all have the right to know the truth that the elite been keeping to themselves for all this time; truth that can cure our world of all pain, disease and negativity!

love
ra ma

[loveis8hertz]

as each soul is both the dreamer & the dream or the creator & creations, we cannot destroy ourselves. we may be so ensnared in the dream and subsequently be temporarily traumatized by the nuclear explosion & painful experiences.

it is important that we pay attention (reality seems to be following a script), wakeup now, and steer our dream into a more harmonious one; the illuminati/vatican have been hogging the show. we want equal contribution, where we live as one people, this is not one government, ideally no government!

we are eternal spiritual beings having human experiences; after physical body death, we can choose another collective dream: holographic virtual reality or return to the source.

all is consciousness!

[Jeia Ra Manuk]

o yes, sister!
exactly what i've been preaching for the past couple of days!

omg! who else is relieved by david's update?
i was really worried about those people, hopefully it's true that they were evacuated!
this now seems more like an alien clean up rather than the elite themselves destroying evidence!

what are your thoughts, people? :)

love and light,
ra ma


as each soul is both the dreamer & the dream or the creator & creations, we cannot destroy ourselves. we may be so ensnared in the dream and subsequently be temporarily traumatized by the nuclear explosion & painful experiences.

it is important that we pay attention (reality seems to be following a script), wakeup now, and steer our dream into a more harmonious one; the illuminati/vatican have been hogging the show. we want equal contribution, where we live as one people, this is not one government, ideally no government!

we are eternal spiritual beings having human experiences; after physical body death, we can choose another collective dream: holographic virtual reality or return to the source.

all is consciousness!

[SpiralCycle]

i have read in the journey and destiny of souls books by michael newton (who puts thousands of all different people with different conscious belief systems into deep hypnosis and he himself was originally atheist, into a between in-carnal life state quite similar to what dannion brinkley describes and is agreed upon by all of his patients and has extensive evidence to support this). he said that nuclear bombs are one of the most disturbing episodes a soul can go through but since other souls or guides in the spirit realm have easier access to likely future events pull them out of the body right before it happens because even though this would be a big no no to do by spirits from "afar" this is by no means a circumstance to let happen because a lot of people are caught up in karma they may not have anything to do with and are very innocent.

they say that if they are hit by a nuclear bomb their energy is all messed up but still malleable it just takes extensive work to fix and even then might not be exactly to what it was before but can be usually very close to if it is not.

think of it like here if somebody broke a bunch of bones, they would have to go through a lot of therapy and other hospital work to be fixed. i think if it totally obliterated souls other external beings would have wiped out the powers that be or the powers that hold these technologies out completely without question. there would be no reason at all for such a thing to be allowed if it did destroy souls, i know if i were an et that had the capability to do something i would punk down somebody that did such a thing any day of the week and think many others would feel the same way.

[onething]

hi mark,

thanks for your response' it does help somewhat, but i find the language of that paragraph confusing:

found not only the body/mind/spirit complex made unviable, but also a disarrangement of that unique vibratory complex you have called the spirit complex, which we understand as a mind/body/spirit complex, to be completely disarranged without possibility of re-integration.

because he speaks of the body/mind/spirit complex, and then speaks of the "spirit complex" as if it were something different, but then clarifies it as exactly the same thing, and speaks of this mind/body/spirit complex as not being able to reintegrate, and yet all people who die are never able to reintegrate with the body aspect of their complex. so that's two confusing things in that paragraph.

it's difficult to imagine many entities agreeing to be born into a situation where they were going to be wiped out by a nuclear bomb.

spiral cycle:

i have both of those newton books and have read them twice apiece. i don't recall any discussion like that! can you point me to it?

[MarkM]

i take this to mean, despite the ra's difficulty with expressing in terms understandable to humans, that both body and mind are experienced by the entity as being disarranged. it's kind of like how the ra refer to teaching as teach/learn, being unable to directly experience separation between teacher and learner. body/mind/spirit complex refers primarily to body, and mind/body/spirit refers to mind... at least as far as i can tell. spirit complex according to the ra is a human term.

we discern between concepts of body, spirit and mind, and the ra do not perceive a difference, and so i'm guessing they express themselves in this fashion so as to hint to us as to the indivisible nature of being; in the sense of the law of one.

as for people who pass, it may be that the physical body pattern still exists in potentiation, or in other words the code for the body always exists within the third density entity - even if it is not thrown out into actualization, or incarnation. the idea of two different bodies in two different incarnations may be secondary to the idea of the one pattern which results in the two bodies.

in a large universe full of so many third density populations, it is interesting for me to imagine karmic scenarios in which those who have 'pushed the nuclear button' may welcome opportunities to make restitution, or to experience their creation. mark

[SpiralCycle]

spiral cycle:

i have both of those newton books and have read them twice apiece. i don't recall any discussion like that! can you point me to it?

i am pretty sure it is there i have read both a few times myself yet i have bought and given away the books so many times and now don't have them. looks like you will be reading them again :d ah i don't know i wish i could go through them but hmmm like i said i don't have them but i remember it pretty distinctly. if for some reason i am wrong well i guess i am plain wrong and would be glad for you to let me know.

[Tenet Nosce]

hi onething,


thanks for your response' it does help somewhat, but i find the language of that paragraph confusing:

found not only the body/mind/spirit complex made unviable, but also a disarrangement of that unique vibratory complex you have called the spirit complex, which we understand as a mind/body/spirit complex, to be completely disarranged without possibility of re-integration.

because he speaks of the body/mind/spirit complex, and then speaks of the "spirit complex" as if it were something different, but then clarifies it as exactly the same thing, and speaks of this mind/body/spirit complex as not being able to reintegrate, and yet all people who die are never able to reintegrate with the body aspect of their complex. so that's two confusing things in that paragraph.

this is a very confusing part of the material. i still haven't quite wrapped my mind around it. it is one of those things that i think won't make sense until after it makes sense. (if that makes sense!) lol!

also, may i point out that ra says "you have called" ostensibly referring to something don previously said. so that is a clue that there is confusion on top of confusion here.

according to my understanding, ra uses the term "mind/body/spirit complex" to refer to the evolving soul from within space/time. it is what most people would simply call the "physical body". i think this term is used as a reminder that what we perceive as the "physical body" is actually a complex which integrates nonphysical components.

ra also refers to the "social memory complex" as a "mind/body/spirit totality". it is higher self to the higher self. according to the material, both the "mind/body/spirit complex" and the "mind/body/spirit complex totality" are a fairly recent evolution of creativity. most previous creations within the galactic logos did not contain this possibility.

according to my understanding the "spirit complex" is referring to that portion of the entity that resides in time/space, not having entered space/time.

so, to get back to the question at hand. when a nuclear device is detonated it converts matter to energy in space/time. therefore, an equal and opposite reaction must take place in time/space. ergo, the conversion of energy (spirit) to matter.

were this to persist, i imagine it would be like tossing a philosopher's stone into time/space whereupon it would begin converting all the energy around it to matter. this process would continue until reaching the end of the octave. at that point there would be no free will left within creation. this would allow the creator to completely "undo" the action at its own will and discretion, causing it to appear that it had "never happened".

i imagine it is not unlike what happens after the matrix is reset after neo merges with the mainframe.


it's difficult to imagine many entities agreeing to be born into a situation where they were going to be wiped out by a nuclear bomb.

according to my understanding, this was not a "preplanned" event, and took the confederation by surprise.

[scottki]

i have read in the journey and destiny of souls books by michael newton (who puts thousands of all different people with different conscious belief systems into deep hypnosis and he himself was originally atheist, into a between in-carnal life state quite similar to what dannion brinkley describes and is agreed upon by all of his patients and has extensive evidence to support this). he said that nuclear bombs are one of the most disturbing episodes a soul can go through but since other souls or guides in the spirit realm have easier access to likely future events pull them out of the body right before it happens because even though this would be a big no no to do by spirits from "afar" this is by no means a circumstance to let happen because a lot of people are caught up in karma they may not have anything to do with and are very innocent.

they say that if they are hit by a nuclear bomb their energy is all messed up but still malleable it just takes extensive work to fix and even then might not be exactly to what it was before but can be usually very close to if it is not.

think of it like here if somebody broke a bunch of bones, they would have to go through a lot of therapy and other hospital work to be fixed. i think if it totally obliterated souls other external beings would have wiped out the powers that be or the powers that hold these technologies out completely without question. there would be no reason at all for such a thing to be allowed if it did destroy souls, i know if i were an et that had the capability to do something i would punk down somebody that did such a thing any day of the week and think many others would feel the same way.

just watched that video thanks. the hypnosis sounds like accessing your higher self. do you think under hypnosis you are accessing your higher self?

[SpiralCycle]

just watched that video thanks. the hypnosis sounds like accessing your higher self. do you think under hypnosis you are accessing your higher self?

with lowering the state of your critically thinking mind you become much more relaxed and clear on all levels. when people say they are put under it almost sounds like a state of sleep but in actuality it is more of a state in equilibrium where they are not forced to run a bunch of "in world processing". i would guess that being in equilibrium where your critical thinking isn't taking up most of your energy, your susceptibility to the higher self would be much much higher. i think that higher self in this case would be an understatement from what people normally see higher self as (conduit of intuition that guides you) but would actually allow you to understand and see all your energy combined as one being including both your soul energy and higher self energy. that is what i have gained from learning about deep states of hypnosis where the practitioner can ask very complicated and deep questions that the individuals would otherwise have no answer or explanation for because we can always access the higher self even in a conscious state but i guess the depth would be much greater in hypnosis if practiced correctly.

[UltraMaximum]

the idea that a nuclear explosion could somehow cause a soul to no longer exist makes absolutely no sense...

if a soul is an expression of one infinite consciousness simply having a dream... how could an occurrence in that dream cause that consciousness to no longer exist? there is no such thing as "not exist"... only existence exists (if you get what i am saying), consciousness is everything--ultimately that is all there is, "not exist" is an impossibility.

to think that the manifestation of something negative (ie. nuclear explosion) in a dream/illusion could cause the lack of existence/infinity is illogical in all aspects.

[SpiralCycle]

the idea that a nuclear explosion could somehow cause a soul to no longer exist makes absolutely no sense...

if a soul is an expression of one infinite consciousness simply having a dream... how could an occurrence in that dream cause that consciousness to no longer exist? there is no such thing as "not exist"... only existence exists (if you get what i am saying), consciousness is everything--ultimately that is all there is, "not exist" is an impossibility.

to think that the manifestation of something negative (ie. nuclear explosion) in a dream/illusion could cause the lack of existence/infinity is illogical in all aspects.

i think what they are referring to is the soul being a pattern of consciousness that has unique characteristics and a definitive energy field. it is still definitely safe to say that they are an expression of infinite consciousness and of course infinite consciousness cannot be destroyed but the awareness of the soul and expression would be erased. an equivalent i can think of would be if somebody got killed on earth and there was no more life after. like they were just erased and no longer possible to roam in any form whatsoever. i doubt that many people like that idea and would definitely be a sensitive subject if a nuclear blast would wipe the soul out completely and is probably why it is asked and don't think it was referring to existence itself.

i don't find it being an illogical question at all and can see why someone would be interested in asking it. i am not attacking your post by any means but maybe you weren't aware that they were questioning the souls continuity not the continuity of consciousness itself because to get where you are as a soul takes a very very long time for some and to see it being shredded like a piece of paper haha well you get the picture.

[Jeia Ra Manuk]

rearrange and confuse the soul, maybe.. nothing can make your soul not exist... everything always exist in one sense or the other... from what we know from ra, everything comes out of nothing.. thus if we say that coming out of existence is to become nothing we are only seeing things from our point in space and time, and are not taking the source field/force under consideration.

love and light,
ra ma


the idea that a nuclear explosion could somehow cause a soul to no longer exist makes absolutely no sense...

if a soul is an expression of one infinite consciousness simply having a dream... how could an occurrence in that dream cause that consciousness to no longer exist? there is no such thing as "not exist"... only existence exists (if you get what i am saying), consciousness is everything--ultimately that is all there is, "not exist" is an impossibility.

to think that the manifestation of something negative (ie. nuclear explosion) in a dream/illusion could cause the lack of existence/infinity is illogical in all aspects.

[billybobbutterball]

billybobspeaketh

i'm not aware that the ra teach that "things" come out of "nothing"...apparently, yes; actually? oh boy! big theological problem! creation ex nihilo is orthodox doctrine...but that is merely an intellectual tool to insure a transcendental placement of deity -- which absolutely separates the creator from the creation. (and which calls for a jesus figure to become the bridge over the gap.) an alternate (heresy) is that the creation comes from the very essence of the one creator... the all that is. so, the bottom line is "everything" has its beingness traceable back to the one creator.

it will cause me great intellectual wretchednes if this concept is wrong...but i'm semi-open to weighing arguments otherwise.

billiousbutterball



rearrange and confuse the soul, maybe.. nothing can make your soul not exist... everything always exist in one sense or the other... from what we know from ra, everything comes out of nothing.. thus if we say that coming out of existence is to become nothing we are only seeing things from our point in space and time, and are not taking the source field/force under consideration.

love and light,
ra ma

[Jeia Ra Manuk]

a new member, dtris, pointed this out at another thread, so i just picked up the thought:

ra: as the creator decides to experience itself it generates into that plenum (nothingness that has the potential for being) full of the glory and the power of the one infinite creator which is manifest to your perceptions as space or outer space. (b4, s82, 65)

ra: step by step, the creator becomes that which may know (or experience) itself, and the portions of the creator partake less purely in the power of the original word or thought. the creation itself is a form of consciousness which is unified.

the creator does not properly create as much as it experiences itself. (b1, s1, 65)

so this, "from what we know from ra, everything comes out of nothing..." and yours ""things" come out of "nothing"," " simply becomes this, "(nothingness that has the potential for being)... power of the one is manifest[ed] to your perceptions as space or outer space." nothingness is the unlimited space the one has for creation! it's a force field what ever the creator is. it creates a field around itself by the magnitude of its power.

but we did have jesus and jesus did leave the impact we would choose to avoid now that we understand its implications! :)

everybody makes mistakes! and it's not really me correcting them, you should know by now dear bill!

peace be with you,
liz

[billybobbutterball]

billybob stammers a bit

seems we have a pleaidian stand-off here --all revolving around semantics. "nothing" with the potential of being?" what kind of "nothingness" is that! but ra states that the so called nothingless is actually a force field! now to my way of thinking, that description contains the sense of something not nothingness....

a famous prize-winning physicist of years gone by once turned the learned public on their ears when he stated that the energy in a teacup content size full of the vacuum (as russians call it) of space has enough energy to boil away all the oceans of earth! now that is doing pretty good for being nothing! recently, nassim harramein(sp) kicked the whole idea out of the stadium when he stated that an virtually infinitesimal amount of this very same vacuum has the potential to recreate the entire physical cosmos! so!,,,,things concrete -- like suns, planets, and brown dwarf stars flying around space -- are comparatively, virtually nothing! ,,but we think such things are something...now this is strange!

so, it seems the ra, has slipped up a bit since english is not their first language.

rather than being mere empty nothingness all space consists of an infinite field of energy/intelligence that has not yet * been, say, individualized, or imprinted (for the lack of a better terms) so what is it? i propose that it is essentially of the essence of the prime creator...which would make it something really special....true? yes, we had jesus...but what theologian's have done with that fact leaves a lot to be desired. creation ex nihilo is more political than real (only way to salvation is through the gates of the church)

have i overdone this? no! this is really important stuff to grasp...probably, maybe.

* since time is so that everything doesn't seem to happen at once --but it does -- there is nothing really left undone...imprinting everything...including nothingness.

thanks for putting up with this philosophical diatribe.,,,, who is that noble prize winning american, quantum physicist? even a movie made of his life....brain fog (getting old ain't for sissies!) ,,, richard phillips feynman /ˈfaɪnmən/; may 11, 1918 – february 15, 1988

[H20]

does anybody know how they got the destructive devices down into the bases in the first place? did fulford ever explain that? please direct me to a link or someone who may have an idea.

[Jeia Ra Manuk]

so!,,,,things concrete -- like suns, planets, and brown dwarf stars flying around space -- are comparatively, virtually nothing! ,,but we think such things are something...now this is strange!

so, it seems the ra, has slipped up a bit since english is not their first language.

hehe, bill, you provide all the answers between the lines.
of course english is not their first language, thier first language goes a little like this: i/we am/are, love/light, teach/learn, force/field, empty/full, something/nothing.... not everything/nothing... because even nothing is part of everything! :)

sorry that sometimes i provide only one side when i should be showing both sides of the coin. but just like ra made this mistake sometimes, so do i make this mistake... english is not my first language either!

:p

[Dtris]

26.21 questioner: could you give us an example from hiroshima or nagasaki of how this is done?
ra: i am ra. those who were destroyed, not by radiation, but by the trauma of the energy release, found not only the body/mind/spirit complex made unviable, but also a disarrangement of that unique vibratory complex you have called the spirit complex, which we understand as a mind/body/spirit complex, to be completely disarranged without possibility of re-integration. this would be the loss to the creator of part of the creator and thus we were given permission, not to stop the events, but to ensure the survival of the, shall we say, disembodied mind/body/spirit complex. this we did in those events which you mention, losing no spirit or portion or holograph or microcosm of the macrocosmic infinite one.”

those who were destroyed by the blast of ionizing radiation, not by the radiation that comes latter with fallout, had their human bodies made unviable (death). in addition what we call the spirit would not be destroyed utterly but disarranged. this would be more akin to a permanent coma of the physical body with no chance of waking. the spirit, or the mind/body/spirit complex which exists coterminously with the body before death and by itself after death, would be damaged to the point of being made impossible to fix unless there was an intervention to prevent this. since there is no chance of reintegration this would be a loss to the creator.

now i would add that even though this would be an apparent loss to the creator what it really means is that those mind/body/spirit complexes would no longer be able to continue through the densities and eventually return to the one in the eighth octave. however we also know that the ra material states that there is a cycle in which the entire universe returns to the one and is then reborn. this means that even though the mind/body/spirit complex cannot graduate through the densities it will indeed eventually return to the one.

it is also logical to assume that if permission was given in the past to prevent this then it would have been given again to prevent the same thing.

[Perseus]

i had a very intense experience in 2008 where i felt the pain of a nuclear bomb being detonated in the west by an islamic group influenced by -ve et's. my heart chakra felt like it split in two then i was aware of +ve benevolent et's who were helping behind the scenes; there were also links to israel. unfortunately i was so weak after this intense holographic experience that i was sectioned, in a mental health ward!

i have prayed a lot and mediated for healing and felt that a lot of the healing has come from ra-phael (which apparently means "healed by god/the one"). heal the world by michael jackson is playing played on the radio as i write this :-)

much love and blessings to all :-)

[mpgarr59]

Going to the original question posed on this thread---at one time, I apparently had a "close encounter of the third kind"--I have posted up several things on it--but so far the moderators have not put them up.

I won't go into much detail about what all that came up on this incident when working with a MUFON investigator about 20 years back---but under the hypnosis that I was under--I was told by the "ETs" that they had taken direct, "appropriate action" that had stopped a terror group that had stolen a nuke from a former Soviet military site and planned to detonate the thing in a major world city.

It came to me today in a mediation the made me recall the hypnosis session, one of the reasons they don't want any more nuclear explosions---not only does it cause death and destruction here on Earth in this time and place----but that when a nuke goes off---it sets off negative effects in other times, dimensions or whatever and thinking in what David says in The Field Source Investigations---then that makes sense since from physics, particles at the quantum level can be in various places "at the same time."

If you think about it---the process used in our nukes is fission which is of course the splitting of atoms and it only does stand to reason that splitting them and letting so much intense energy free has to be something that is not a good thing.

It does make sense that so many modern UFO sightings have taken place at our nuclear facilities of all sorts from power plants, to military bases that once stockpiled nuke weapons.

[MrZ]

@ mpgarr

you said: The Field Source Investigations---then that makes sense since from physics, particles at the quantum level can be in various places "at the same time."

Which section of his book are you referring to?

[MarkM]

Moderator note: the Law of One sub-forum is specifically for discussion of the LoO material by those who have some good measure of familiarity with the LoO. We could really have a fascinating discussion of the hyperdimensional effects of nuclear explosions in relation to Source Field Investigations but we need to pull this thread back onto LoO topicality, and interpretations of what is mentioned in the LoO thread in regard to the effects of nuclear trauma to individuals.

We can have two convos running parallel, but one would have to be in a different sub-forum - perhaps the Source Field Investigations thread in the 'Divine Cosmos' sub-forum. Either way, we need to keep on topic for this LoO thread, and away from personal ET contact info. ;) Mark - moderator

[Brian Shaffner]

With all due respect to the obvious intelligence and insight of those in this thread, I would like to offer this as my (I believe at least somewhat educated and aware) opinion, as well as reassurance against any fears associated with this --

Bunk. Our spiritual and basic essence isn't of the physical universe. It is senior to it, and predates it. NO effect rooted in the physical universe is going to delete or erase a spirit. A spirit might believe that -- and simulate, out of ignorance, such an effect. Which wouldn't be any fun. But it couldn't in actuality cause one to cease to exist.

In our general self-confusion and reduction of awareness, or out of sheer empathy/sympathy, we might feel, or be effected by these effects, in any number of ways. And they might well cross dimensional and/or universal boundaries. But we are not made from the particles that make up this, or any other universe. And we cannot be eradicated like those particles.

We can however, through pain or deception, be brought to any number of low, death like states. But there are ways to guard against that, and we are beginning to understand and learn those. Many of them come down to being able to be present with a given effect -- not matter how terrible it may seem -- rather than resisting it.

Which is not to say we should ever sit and passively let bad things happen. Nuclear weapons, and making energy in that manner, is insane. It always has been, always will be, a means to an end for the evil.

I offer the above as a possible comfort, and another point of view; the one that I happen to regard as true. If others hold true otherwise, I can respect and be present with that. ;)

[Apophis]

I'd like to quickly toss in definitions that are known to me.

Soul = Emotions
Spirit = Heart/Connection to the Creator
Ego = Thoughts

This being said, your thoughts and emotions can be destroyed, your connection to creation cannot. The title of this thred knowingly r not is about the soul being destroyed, not the spirit.

I know I can be slightly technical sometimes, but it does make a difrence.