David's August 2011 appearance on Coast

[scottki]

in david's august appearance on coast he talked about time/space and how it is a carbon copy of space/time. so when one emerges from physical and in to time/space and it looks identical. then what happens? can you only move in time? are you observing events or actually reliving them? can you go in the future?

if anyone can shed light on this i would be most grateful.

[Jeia Ra Manuk]

wow, well before you asked "can you go into the future?" i though i can give you a short answer. ha, you are really asking for it, aren't you?
before the big bang, form and force were the same thing. time/space and space/time were one fabric. can't really comment on how it all went down, but this is obvious from simple observation of oneness and return to the oneness. imagine a piece of fabric. half of its threads are horizontal and half of them are vertical. although the threads are opposites to each other in direction, they both can be extended into infinity and they are still one piece of fabric. for the fabric to hold the threads need to be braided with one another. every over lap of the two threads creates. so intersections between the time thread and space thread is what creates both space/time and time/space. on one side of the fabric where the time threads are dominant, as in on top of the space threads, is the side of time/space. and vise versa for the space/time. pretty much, before the big bang, which occurs as a recycling mechanism, the threads were all part of the raw material, the wool of the source field. who knows why and what directed the gravity to start a pattern, my bets are on consciousness.
in space/time, you are free to move along the space threads and vise versa for the time/space.
so yes, you can only move in time, that is if you are a 3d being, which can only be in time/space while awaiting a new physical vehicle to be constructed. and what do you do in time/space depends on your awareness and your need for karmic resolutions. pretty much you are building your density in time/space and then when you get a new physical body in space/time, you literally apply the time fabric over your space fabric and see the plan play out in space/time.
about the future now. this all depends on your physical body. i've said this before, and this is only my opinion, but after 3d we start mastering time/space, our organic bodies become less dense and our light bodies more radiant. pretty much our time/space body is being hatched from out organic space/time body.
okay,
i am out!

love and light,
ra ma

[scottki]

thanks for answering ra ma. one can always depend on you!

so yes, you can only move in time, that is if you are a 3d being, which can only be in time/space while awaiting a new physical vehicle to be constructed. and what do you do in time/space depends on your awareness and your need for karmic resolutions.
but what does that mean? do you have a body like you do in space/time? before david said that i had always thought that time/space was essentially a big life review where you could travel in time and either just observe events or actually live them. only your own events? what thread are you stuck on?

pretty much you are building your density in time/space
what does that involve?

and then when you get a new physical body in space/time, you literally apply the time fabric over your space fabric and see the plan play out in space/time.
do you see it before you actually live it or do you mean living is seeing the plan play out? what about free will?

about the future now. this all depends on your physical body. i've said this before, and this is only my opinion, but after 3d we start mastering time/space, our organic bodies become less dense and our light bodies more radiant. pretty much our time/space body is being hatched from out organic space/time body.
so are you saying that in time/space we have an organic body?

if we can only move in time and not space, how does it work when you go to a psychic? what i saying is, if i can talk to my grandfather in time/space anywhere in the world, through a psychic, is he not travelling in space and time?

thanks
scott

[Jeia Ra Manuk]

thanks for answering ra ma. one can always depend on you!
thank you for always asking such well formulated questions! you should be a journalist, you are really good at this!


but what does that mean? do you have a body like you do in space/time? before david said that i had always thought that time/space was essentially a big life review where you could travel in time and either just observe events or actually live them. only your own events? what thread are you stuck on?
okay, well what david did say is that we have an identical energetic body. so we are not talking about the neurons in your brain but we are talking about the force that the brain runs on. in the case with the human brain, the electricity is the force that makes things happen in the brain and the gravitational force keeps everything together to the smallest quantum particle you have in your brain. this energetic body, in my opinion, is the electricity that runs through our nervous systems and into the brain. does that mean people look like walking nervous system with the brain in time/space. no, it is the radiation that's going on, its the force, i.e the power. so what we would see is a light body. we would see the light/electricity that is being compressed into our space/time bodies by the gravity, i.e the source field/force. ha, that's the more correct term, cuz it occupies both time/space and space/time. we all just have to face the fact that two can always create one and one can always create two.
in time/space you will be reviewing your life and that is observing, which to you would be the same as living through it, again and again . the only thing is you can't change anything in space/time and can only take note of those things that you'd like to correct during your next life!
and you are not stuck on any thread, you just haven't learned to travel both directions at the same time, i.e being able to travel through space and time. after 3rd density we will become aware of our light bodies and thrive to learn to operate them.
[note: the gravity/consciousness or the source field operates both your light body and your organic body.]


[b]what about free will? it's a distortion... all plans are already made; we come out of oneness to eventually rejoin. that means all we do is towards that goal. we are not aware of this until the very end of 3rd density. so yes until 3d ends we have the illusion of free will. after that we strive to polarize and then finally balance things out at 6th density. and because you can only balance out with love and light, eventually all turns out rather positive. this is when you can finally change things in all time lines that ever existed as long as you come in service. so, essentially 6d beings will correct everything because they come in service by the perfect neutrality of both light and love. not too hot not too cold, but just the right temperature.


[b]if we can only move in time and not space, how does it work when you go to a psychic? what i saying is, if i can talk to my grandfather in time/space anywhere in the world, through a psychic, is he not travelling in space and time?
i wrote this a while back, enjoy:
[see next post]

[Jeia Ra Manuk]

scott asked: how does it work when you go to a psychic?



channel/channeling

let's take a radio. we can tune it onto various frequencies on which different channels are located. if the radio would not have an energy source it doesn't matter what channel we tune it- it won't play. and it doesn't matter if there is one person or 20 people turning the dial trying to tune in. it simply will not work.

does this mean that these frequencies are not there? no, it only means that we cannot tune into them if we do not have the proper tools. once you turn off the radio the broadcast is still running. the point is that the broadcast would never be there in the first place if it wasn't for someone using tools and force to record it.

remember that a broadcast could be prerecorded or stream life.

we are then living through a broadcast. the distortions would then mean the distortion in the broadcast. this is how free will would come in effect. at the time of decision making the volume on the broadcast is turned off. the outcome is that we just don't hear it and thus buy into the notion of free will. there are two broadcasts then. the over all predetermined broadcast that we are all tuned into and the life stream individual broadcast.
thus, when we realize this we can then tune into a different frequency.

experience is useless if we don't save the broadcasts. thus all the life stream broadcasts are recorded. this can explain the time between incarnations when we are in time/space processing our life's experience.

and if we are truly endless and there is no time then all experience already exist we are just filing them accordingly. this explains the akashic records and how although it contains all information it is filed.

those who see into the future are able to turn up the volume on the broadcast.

using our radio analogy, those who connect to the akashic records are able to go into the radio station of the broadcasts and pick and search through the recordings.

once you penetrate through this illusion you are able to change frequencies thus moving into higher density. from the higher density you can tune into the lower ones.


elizabeth cherkasova, july 20th 2011

love and light and love,
humble ra ma

[DFS]

from the loo website:
1.0
ra:
"...the confederation of planets in the service of the infinite creator has only one important statement. that statement, my friends, as you know, is 'all things, all of life, all of the creation is part of one original thought.'

"...let us for a moment consider thought. what is it, my friends, to take thought? took you then thought today? what thoughts did you think today? what thoughts were part of the original thought today? in how many of your thoughts did the creation abide? was love contained? and was service freely given? you are not part of a material universe. you are part of a thought. you are dancing in a ballroom in which there is no material. you are dancing thoughts. you move your body, your mind, and your spirit in somewhat eccentric patterns for you have not completely grasped the concept that you are part of the original thought...." this is relevant to time/space because it underscores that everything we think of as material is consciousness or thought, and this includes our belief that time is linear. in actuality, time is a mental construct intended to permit us to arrange events in what we believe to be the proper cause and effect linear process. however, our beliefs about space/time and causality are actually an illusion.

70.12
"...i am ra. we refrain from speaking of correctness due to our understanding of the immense difficulty of absorbing the concepts of metaphysical existence. in time/space,
which is precisely as much of your self as is space/time, all times are simultaneous just as, in your geography, your cities and villages are all functioning, bustling, and alive with entities going about their business at once. so it is in time/space with the self."

our experience of space/time demonstrates that all our three-dimensional space exists simultaneously, while our one-dimensional understanding of time and our belief in a fixed, linear process of causality requires that we view each event as existing separately and in a proper sequence. in time/space time is three-dimensional, which makes it as fluid as our understanding of space.

71.6
ra:
"...the hallmark of time/space is the inequity between time and space. in your space/time the spatial orientation of material causes a tangible framework for illusion. in
time/space the inequity is upon the shoulders of that property known to you as time. this property renders entities and experiences intangible in a relative sense...

"...thus the time/space or metaphysical experience is that which is very finely tuned and, although an analog of space/time, lacking in its tangible characteristics. in these metaphysical planes there is a great deal of what you call time which is used to review and re-review the biases and learn/teachings of a prior, as you would call it, space/time incarnation..."
71.7
ra:
i am ra. the process in space/time of the forgiveness and acceptance is much like that in time/space in that the qualities of the process are analogous. however, while in space/time it is not possible to determine the course of events beyond the incarnation but only to correct present imbalances. in time/space, upon the other hand, it is not possible to correct any unbalanced actions but rather to perceive the imbalances and thusly forgive the self for that which is.

the decisions then are made to set up the possibility/probabilities of correcting these imbalances in what you call future space/time experiences. the advantage of time/space is that of the fluidity of the grand overview. the advantage of space/time is that, working in darkness with a tiny candle, one may correct imbalances."

thus, it appears that in time'/space one may indeed access the future possibilities/probabilities and view them as a means of selecting a beneficial future incarnation. however, in time/space, one is limited to viewing events in order to understand, forgive and accept. only in space/time can one engage in actions which may produce significant changes.

in a sense, one may think of space/time as the material world and time/space as the spirit world and we exist in both worlds simultaneously. two distinct modes of expression or being, each with distinct limits.

70.17
ra:
"...i perceive a basic miscalculation upon your part in that time/space is no more homogenous than space/time. it is as complex and complete a system of illusions, dances, and pattern as is space/time and has as structured a system of what you may call natural laws."

thus, we have two distinct modes for experiencing as a part of the original thought. time/space offers the grand overview, while space/time provides a means for enacting significant changes. and in the end, it is all one unified whole.

at least, this is how i presently view space/time and time/space, and i offer my viewpoint for your consideration.

dfs

[Jeia Ra Manuk]

dfs,
that's exactly what i am saying! hehe.

"in actuality, time is a mental construct intended to permit us to arrange events in what we believe to be the proper cause and effect linear process. however, our beliefs about space/time and causality are actually an illusion."

but we must figure out this illusion to be able to break out of it!

"thus, we have two distinct modes for experiencing as a part of the original thought. time/space offers the grand overview, while space/time provides a means for enacting significant changes. and in the end, it is all one unified whole. "

and this is exactly why i say that understanding of these scientific concepts is not needed as long as you face the fact that one can become two and two can become one!

time/space, space/time were/are one. everything is one. the separations are in our minds for learning purposes!

love and light,
ra ma

[scottki]

thank you for always asking such well formulated questions! you should be a journalist, you are really good at this!
i just like to be able to understand things in layman's terms.

okay, well what david did say is that we have an identical energetic body.
so definitely not a body like we have now? as that was kind of how it sounded although i had always thought of it as an energetic body. what i have always wondered though is if we have to have the version of our body we had on death? or is there a reason for leaving a good looking corpse!

so we are not talking about the neurons in your brain but we are talking about the force that the brain runs on. in the case with the human brain, the electricity is the force that makes things happen in the brain and the gravitational force keeps everything together to the smallest quantum particle you have in your brain. this energetic body, in my opinion, is the electricity that runs through our nervous systems and into the brain. does that mean people look like walking nervous system with the brain in time/space. no, it is the radiation that's going on, its the force, i.e the power. so what we would see is a light body. we would see the light/electricity that is being compressed into our space/time bodies by the gravity, i.e the source field/force. ha, that's the more correct term, cuz it occupies both time/space and space/time. we all just have to face the fact that two can always create one and one can always create two.
in time/space you will be reviewing your life and that is observing, which to you would be the same as living through it, again and again . the only thing is you can't change anything in space/time and can only take note of those things that you'd like to correct during your next life!
and you are not stuck on any thread, you just haven't learned to travel both directions at the same time, i.e being able to travel through space and time. after 3rd density we will become aware of our light bodies and thrive to learn to operate them.
[note: the gravity/consciousness or the source field operates both your light body and your organic body.]

it's a distortion... all plans are already made; we come out of oneness to eventually rejoin. that means all we do is towards that goal. we are not aware of this until the very end of 3rd density. so yes until 3d ends we have the illusion of free will.
[b]the way i see it is that all the paths are already written, but our free will - or vibration if you believe in the law of attraction, determines what path we travel on to the same end point. so not exactly free will but i am not going to stop wearing a seatbelt!

after that we strive to polarize and then finally balance things out at 6th density. and because you can only balance out with love and light, eventually all turns out rather positive. this is when you can finally change things in all time lines that ever existed as long as you come in service. so, essentially 6d beings will correct everything because they come in service by the perfect neutrality of both light and love. not too hot not too cold, but just the right temperature.


i wrote this a while back, enjoy:
[see next post]

thanks again :)

[scottki]

pre recorded or live stream, that is a good analogy! that works for 4d and higher who have mastered space and time. but what about a dead ancestor who is in 3d time/space and has not mastered both and can only travel in time, what space are they stuck in? and how can someone in 3d space/time communicate with them when they do not occupy the same space?

[scottki]

thanks for all the quotes dfs.



"...thus the time/space or metaphysical experience is that which is very finely tuned and, although an analog of space/time, lacking in its tangible characteristics. in these metaphysical planes there is a great deal of what you call time which is used to review and re-review the biases and learn/teachings of a prior, as you would call it, space/time incarnation..."

if that does not make us stop and think nothing will.



thus, it appears that in time'/space one may indeed access the future possibilities/probabilities and view them as a means of selecting a beneficial future incarnation. however, in time/space, one is limited to viewing events in order to understand, forgive and accept. only in space/time can one engage in actions which may produce significant changes.

in a sense, one may think of space/time as the material world and time/space as the spirit world and we exist in both worlds simultaneously. two distinct modes of expression or being, each with distinct limits.

so that answers about seeing the future then! but what is confusing is that in time/space you can see the future but that future is not set in stone because in space/time we can change it. so the question is, why was that future the probable one? and, do think people choose lives with the intention of living the probable life, or in the hope that they choose a different path? i think that people choose a life of probable crime for example, in the hope that they choose not to live a life of crime.


70.17
ra:
"...i perceive a basic miscalculation upon your part in that time/space is no more homogenous than space/time. it is as complex and complete a system of illusions, dances, and pattern as is space/time and has as structured a system of what you may call natural laws."

maybe that is saying that in time/space we can live the events but do not have free will. so not only observe but also live.

[Jeia Ra Manuk]

pre recorded or live stream, that is a good analogy! that works for 4d and higher who have mastered space and time. but what about a dead ancestor who is in 3d time/space and has not mastered both and can only travel in time, what space are they stuck in? and how can someone in 3d space/time communicate with them when they do not occupy the same space?
to answer this question we are going to have to examine the space phenomenon a little bit closer. just as many can occupy one space at a time, so can many occupy one time at a space. i have been working on this theory for a while and it seems to me that sharing of both space/time and time/space is a universal concept. although it is easy for us to understand how time can be shared between all of us... but space is more difficult to understand. me and anyone in the time belt i am in share the time. we share exact time. others living in other time belts share their time with those that are closest to them and are under the jurisdiction of the specific belt of time. the relativity theory of time provides us with the first clues of how this concept can be extended into space. although you and i might be in the same room and technically/ in the human sense are sharing space, we are actually not sharing it. you and i cannot possible stand in one spot together, correct? and thus no space/time phenomenon can be observed exactly the same by those that are observing it. thus space itself becomes relevant to the observer. now let's flip to time/space and try to understand that the same thing is going on there, but in reverse. so in time/space, although one space can be occupied by many beings, time is now 3 dimensional and is perceived as we perceived space. and thus although we are all stuck in one spot in time/space upon the linear line of space, we are able to do such things as life reviews. as in even thought we might be in the same time "room" we have the opportunity to occupy our own unique time. i can be in the left corner of this time "room" and you in the left.
as i've said before, this way of looking at things draws my thoughts to one conclusion: the sharing of space/time and time/space continuum.
this theory can explain things like communication between ghosts and animals. and where we presume that are furry friends are just seeing ghosts we must take 2 things under consideration.
number 1. not all animals possess the same light receptors (eyes).
number 2. not all ghosts/spirits are dead 3d ancestors!
just go with me on this one and let it make sense for you on its own... i can assure you it will!
just as yellow and blue make green, so do 5th density beings and 3rd density beings share space. the 4th density in this case, the green, seems to occupy the space that is being created as a result of communications between 3rd density and 5th density beings. also 4th density is our mid-density and the outer rim of space, after which the journey back to oneness can begin! same goes for 2nd density sharing its space with 6th density beings. and 7th density sharing its space with the 1st density, where everything eventually contracts back into the middle of creation into the 8th gateway density from which we can travel once more through the 1st, 2nd... and so on densities.
after i figured this out things just began making sense. the 5d wanderers being able to travel the same space/time as 3rd density beings... animals communicating with something unseen... and so on!
so as you probably figured out by now a being that no longer has a physical body, but only a light body, be it someone who passed away but still is a 3d being or a 6d being, can occupy the same space as someone who still has a physical body. because in time/space beings can actually stand in one spot of space! so as long as you catch the right space belt, you can communicate with either dead relatives or 6th density beings. both channeling and medium-ship explained!

love and light,
ra ma

[Jeia Ra Manuk]

correction

this sentence: i can be in the left corner of this time "room" and you in the left.
should be this: i can be in the left corner of this time "room" and you in the right.

lol. sorry

[scottki]

i never thought of it that way, nice thinking! let me digest it and come back to you.

[Jeia Ra Manuk]

in easier terms of understanding, try applying everything we know about space/time to time/space. in time/space, time has the same characteristics as space in space/time. and space in time/space has the same attributes as time in space/time.

:)

[scottki]

in easier terms of understanding, try applying everything we know about space/time to time/space. in time/space, time has the same characteristics as space in space/time. and space in time/space has the same attributes as time in space/time.

:)

so in time/space where everyone shares a moment in space, does that mean everyone in time/space in effect goes from one space to the next, never stopping and constantly moving?

[Jeia Ra Manuk]

o yes, just as we never stop in time here in space/time... although all rules have exceptions :) but then again, it seems that the only way to stop time is to go at the light of speed? i'm not a scientist, but if thought does travel faster than light then it makes sense that all thoughts would originate in the source field/force.

[scottki]

o yes, just as we never stop in time here in space/time... although all rules have exceptions :) but then again, it seems that the only way to stop time is to go at the light of speed? i'm not a scientist, but if thought does travel faster than light then it makes sense that all thoughts would originate in the source field/force.

i don't know. i think time/space might be just for viewing and reviewing your life and the space is where you happen to be at that moment of time.

[Jeia Ra Manuk]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/22/cern-light-speed_n_977014.html

what what what?

i think this is throwing people off, because they think that the particle is moving faster than the speed of light, when i think it is the light that is speeding up!
you know how ra said we will see the true light of the sun through 4th and up densities?
makes sense that as the evolution is unfolding that the light would become stronger and more intense?

and to address your concern dear scott,
i think that time/space is as functional as space/time... if we follow what ra says we can use the time/space not only for review (after 3rd density of course) but also to construct objects that can be later transferred into space/time! like spaceships that 5th density beings use! and so on... there is too much evidence that points at the functioning of time/space... remember that our time/space energy body functions parallel to our space/time organic body and that means that we have control over both realms... we just haven't gained the right knowledge and tools to be able to do so!

love,
ra ma

[Sammy]

it's strange but i had a very similair discussion about this when i was trying to prove the possibility of life after death on a masonic forum. the very deffinition of energy is to transfer...

ewww my cat just threw up :(

so anyway i was describing our mind like an antena sending out our energy, and what if somewhere there is a blank body/mind that we have been filling with our thoughts and energies (or maybe another of yourself ping-ponging eachother). someone said "the amount of energy needed to send energy through space would be outragous". i replied what if the simple act of thinking here makes it a reality there, as what they do in reality comes to us in thought and what they think comes to us as reality. they would basicly be our subconscious and energy, as we are our conscious and body but with practice they can meet (meditating). after-all our subconscious is said to have more connections then exist in all of space.

an example: we cant die in our body and then just be here again, but you can as a thought. a thought thier would be shown to us as a reality, and can also be the means to the end of your body here.

[Sammy]

i've been turning this post over and over in my head, it hadnt settled for me in describing it. i think i might have gotten some aspects backwords. for instance as i had said you cant kill a thought, so the astral self would be the unwavering will that can access every life knowledge youve experienced and never die. we would be the blanks getting shaped, for consciousness. instead of our reality "sharing our wealth of knowledge", they would have to survive of thier own and cannot share (i.e. crossing worlds would destroy both).

if we are inbetween mass and energy, that would mean as there is one of ourselves that knows everything at hand. there would be another one of us that knows nothing, but with the most potential (one possitive and one negative). if we are that mediator, perhaps we are supposed to offer a place where they can find a common ground to work for a dual goal (replenishing thought). where they can mess something up and not have it destroy everything (memory). it would have to be for neither one, but benefit both (world peace, or rather peace of mind and body).