The Source Field Investigations Video Discussion Thread

[Webmaster]

if you would like to discuss david's latest video, please do it here.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nr-klta1y54

enjoy!

larry

[Jeia Ra Manuk]

do you guys think that maybe in some situations where the pineal gland is represented by a stone it is referring to the calcification effect?

and also, i was thinking that now it makes sense why the egyptians would take out the brain and not store it with all the other organs. if the connection between our physical body and astral body is the pineal gland where the silver cord is anchored. for the egyption the removing of the brain and thus the pineal gland represented that the spirit had left the body both physically and astraly/metaphysically.

love and light,
ra ma

[charmedocfan1]

wow i am impressed 44,845 views in 3 days that is amazing. hopefully the book sales will be getting the same amount and then some. i just pre-ordered the book and bought the audio cd yesterday. this is fantastic information and i am excited for humanity to be able to go through this process and change their views from this material world to one of love, light, and knowing that we are all connected and here for one another.

love & light, frank

[Tracena]

i just watched the new video, source field investigations on david's you tube site. i watched the first half a few days ago and the second half tonight. at about 1 hr. 40 min, david mentions the "rainbow body state" and it reminded me of the dream i had written about in another thread, where david had 5 rainbow auras circling about his head! he is talking about the capital dome painting and how our body dematerializes during ascension. (i have a ?? though - the precession of the equinoxes is sometimes quoted as 25,920 and sometimes 25,620. so which is correct?)

david said the wobble of the earth moves one degree every 72 years. doesn't that seem s o o o s l o w? i mean, if you watch a spinning toy top, it wobbles so fast, and completes a circle in about one second or two. in order for the earth to have this wobble, doesn't it have to be moving really fast? sometimes i wonder if our existence is just a slow motion dense reality, but the experience of the passage of time is all in our heads appearing much slower than it really is. that would make becoming a 'light body' seem much more plausible to those who otherwise wouldn't 'buy' it. - because perhaps we're truly light which is everywhere present. but the human experience is that light slowed down into a much lower vibration, a denser reality. right now, to our rational minds, light traveling at 186,000 miles per second is unfathomably fast. but what if that's the true nature of light... slowed down?

[chrisssj2]

i saw the latest video of source field from david he talks about the 3rd being calciumfied by certain foods.

but im not sure what i said i forgot:he talks about white or wheat flour being bad for it?

im not sure what the translation is(in dutch) i eat bread which contains tarwebloem.
which probably is wheat flour if i guess right.

but is that the good one? or the one to be avoided.

thank you.

[Jeia Ra Manuk]

you know what many native americans said to the coming colonials?
they laughed and said that they are funny (the euros) because they make mirrors. and they said that the main reason for our bad health is flour and thus bread.

love,
ra ma

[nelcentric]

of all your videos, this is the one that hit home the hardest. especially the hypnotism part.

[EcyaC]

of all your videos, this is the one that hit home the hardest. especially the hypnotism part.

lol...oh yeah...

but i really don't like how at the end he says, "everybody who watches my video says, 'i've seen all your videos...' and then i say, 'did you read my last article on my website?' and then they'll go, "you have a website?"

yeah...i just cannot believe one can actually watch all of his videos and not know he has a website...so, i'm inclined to think the answer to: "did you read my last article on my website?" is typically 'no' so they go with, "you have a website?"

anyway, i know i'd let another think i can be hypnotized for a good laugh any day. hoax-us-pocus is easily distinguishable, thank god...

"watch the children sing, but not to be singers and so hopeful, they still are believers...there's so much to do or say without repeating. so why don't we? and don't expect too much, okay? cause the best, the worst might have passed anyway. and like the lighthouse we watched it spin 'round and 'round...there's just some things...they aren't meant to touch the ground...and let our legs just run, no concept of distance. and all these rules we've learned could make no difference...and it's the subtle laugh that will keep ringing. and what was overlooked could now have meaning..."

[nelcentric]

i dont get the joke. there is nothing funny about this subject. being hypnotized, interrogated, beating, whipped, to make someone a slave, super solider, ect., isn't funny. and i know of this matter from no book. it is not "hoax-us-pocus". it just seems, very coincidental that david would bring this subject up at this time. the synchronicity he always talks about comes to mind.

[A Seeker]

hello tracena, i guess that on astronomical terms the idea of "slow" is quite relative. and according to some more esoteric terms, e.g. timelessness, "slow" or "fast" is just a point of view. and according to classical mechanics the precession period on a top is inversely proportional to the object's mass and to the object's spin period, and directly proportional to the object's moment of inertia. in the case of earth, its mass is enormous as well its moment of inertia, and somehow the precession period is severely diminished. i guess that the earth does not need to be moving that "fast" after all! :) for those inclined toward classical mechanics please check the wikipedia article precession (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/precession). hugs!

[A Seeker]

at 1h21m40s of the source field investigations' film, david mentions the differences in sizes between akenhaton's children and himself. i remember hearing from classical egyptology that, in egypt, differences in pictures' sizes are synonym of differences in social status. in the case of akenhaton's period of governance i have a clear idea that it was then when they started to venerate only one creator above all. an incubation of monotheism... the single and only divinity was the sun disc, as beautifully pictured in the drawings presented by david. i was also drawn to the remembrance of the law of one (or, the ra material) where there is a direct mentioning of this period of human history:


session 2 of the law of one, january 20, 1981
[...] in the eighteenth dynasty, as it is known in your records of space/time distortions, we were able to contact a pharaoh, as you would call him. the man was small in life-experience on your plane and was a… what this instrument would call, wanderer. thus, this mind/body/spirit complex received our communication distortions and was able to blend his distortions with our own. this young entity had been given a vibratory complex of sound which vibrated in honor of a prosperous god, as this mind/body complex, which we call instrument for convenience, would call “ammon.” the entity decided that this name, being in honor of one among many gods, was not acceptable for inclusion in his vibratory sound complex. thus, he changed his name to one which honored the sun disc. this distortion, called “aten,” was a close distortion to our reality as we understand our own nature of mind/body/spirit complex distortion. however, it does not come totally into alignment with the intended teach/learning which was sent. this entity, ikhnaton, became convinced that the vibration of one was the true spiritual vibration and thus decreed the law of one.[...]

i found also interesting but very puzzling the ra's affirmation that "[...] “aten,” was a close distortion to our reality as we understand our own nature of mind/body/spirit complex distortion [...]". this same idea would appear latter on the next month:


session 23 of the law of one, february 11, 1981
[...] we laid this plan before the council of saturn, offering ourselves as service-oriented wanderers of the type which land directly upon the inner planes without incarnative processes. thus we emerged, or materialized, in physical-chemical complexes representing as closely as possible our natures, this effort being to appear as brothers and spend a limited amount of time as teachers of the law of one, for there was an ever-stronger interest in the sun body, and this vibrates in concordance with our particular distortions. [...]

why does the "sun body" or "sun disc" is so important to ra? why is it connected with the strange looking pharaoh and his wife? why does those strange looking people were more receptive to the law of one? are there any genetics playing around? what does the "distortion" of the sun mean after all?

[Jeia Ra Manuk]

why, because he was a wanderer. [these are jeia's personal opinions and as such may not coincide with loo or david's information-moderator]

communication distortions they are telling you this right there. they are saying that only wanderers can pick up their channel because they already have it in their systems. although all of us are essentially wanderers we will always have some one below us on the level of our own awareness and on the level of lower awareness. it is a never ending cycle so you will never be on the top channel at all times you will always keep going around in circles. thus those that went back and were able to bounce once off are the wanderers because although something always goes into infinity it is bouncing off of surfaces. as light or as radio waves. which are both the products of electromagnetism. this is the force we use... light. as light changes through out the density so does our main source of power. what dw calls the soure field is actually a force that can be used once you reach 7th density. your soul moves through the energy field while your shell is chemical. so when you begin losing the chemical body you intensive the balance and become more energetic. then you will tilt the weights towards one side instead of the other. love over indifference. they never did use the word hate for the opposite of love. love is a force. it does not matter because the gravity will always try to align the balance. just as your compass devices do because of the magnetic pull.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/compass

just as you can go through radio channels. a circle, if you will, with a line drawn through in the middle that is tilted in many ways. all possibility already exists because the force is determining the outcome.

[Jeia Ra Manuk]

[moderator-these are jeia's personal thoughts and some statements may not agree with loo or david]

btw, the sun body is a term referring to the 6th density body.
people on earth were interested in the sun. in its force. those with the sun bodies answered the call. this is why the tarot card of devil has the devil holding a lighted torch. this represents the venusians that came down. they had light bodies and were sort of bird/dragon looking. this is why we have a reference for these things everywhere. what to us is the spirit body is the body of the force. the energy that possesses our bodies. on 6th density you are almost stripped of your chemical body resolving in an ability to collect and disperse chemicals surrounding your light body. so the ra have bodies that emit light and work purely on fusion. it is the fusion process that allows it to keep the chemical body. the same happens with planets. they are stripped of their chemical body as they travel with their inhabitants through the densities of the force. they have the hot core surrounded by chemicals. they begin losing the magnetic hold because they themselves are becoming the force.

our sun is our sub-logos. this means we are all a part of its impression because even if you did come from a different galaxy, the sun is a part of the same source as your galaxy. and your chemical body is being bathed in its light thus your light body is reaching for this sun now.

love and light and love,
ra ma

[A Seeker]

thank you jeia ra manuk for your answer. i am trying to understand what do you mean exactly, but it is striking to see how certain of yourself you are, while i am surrounded by doubts and mystery.

i don't think that it is obvious that a wanderer is more receptive to the law of one as you affirm. there can be many problems that arise in the life of a wanderer, e.g. as a general feeling of not belonging to this earth, that can be quite difficult to deal with when one is relatively young on the planet, as seems to be the case of this particular pharaoh. i also believe that being a wanderer and being a channel are two very different things and that there are no obligatory nexus of cause and effect here.

when ra refers that we humans (egyptians) were having an ever greater interest in the "sun body" i don't believe that we at that time knew anything about conditions on the 6th density (as we do not also today, for that matter). somehow ra identified himself/herself with the distortions of our concept of the sun. so i wonder, what is the sun to us? clearly it is a male aspect since it reaches out with its rays into the void, into the potential of the unmanifested. earth is female since it it is the receptacle of life, the nurturer. the sun is radiative. perhaps that is in accordance with ra himself/herself, since ra sometimes referred the difference between being radiative (positive) and magnetic (negative), between light and dark, between service-to-others and service-to-self. one could also wonder that it would be extremely interesting to ra, to help those people on earth that started to show interest in venus, since it would be the home planet of ra (in the 3rd density at least). and, of course, why not the moon, so constantly present in our skies? it would also be a very good candidate, representing that that is our lacking, the things that we long for, our emptiness (at least astrologically). but no, ra chose the sun. it must be (in my opinion) an archetypical aspect of some significance, because that choice is not innocent.

[Tenet Nosce]

at 1:17:04, david says,

"then osiris' son is akhenaten..."

this is incorrect. the first known reference to osiris in egyptian mythology is from the 5th dynasty, approximately 1000 years before ahkenaten. ahkenaten was a pharaoh of the 18th dynasty, born to amenhotep iii.

[moderator: tenet is correct, although the pharaohs were thought to be incarnations of horus, and held the office of 'horus king', much as julius caesar's surname came to be synonymous with 'king', as carried through to the russian czar and the german kaiser - thus from the perspective of the ancient egyptian religion they would be 'sons' of osiris, as osiris was the father of horus.]

[Tenet Nosce]

at 1:19:05, david says,

"...there is a granite carving of their daughter, amarna, and look at that head!"

none of the children of akhenaten and nefertiti were named amarna. amarna is the name of the region they inhabited, and is also used as a proxy for the time period during which they lived.

[again, tenet is correct, although the daughters of akhenaten and nefertiti are collectively known as the amarna princesses.]

[MarkM]

speaking of the elongated heads and oddly shaped bodies of the ancient egyptian royal court, here's what you get when you 'google image' search for 'amarna princesses'... very interesting!! mark

http://www.google.ca/search?q=amarna+princesses&hl=en&qscrl=1&nord=1&rlz=1t4gglr_enca239ca241&biw=1256&bih=506&site=webhp&prmd=ivns&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=x&ei=wfxitrmfa8xosqlr6pnxbq&sqi=2&ved=0cduqsaq

[Jeia Ra Manuk]

tenet! good nose! =]

mark,
i heard somewhere, i don't remember where, that discovery were making the heads look smaller than they actually are. like under the hats. was dw talking about this at some point? i don't know. but this does raise some questions? like, why would they wear such big hats. i understand that it's like a crown and all. but all other crowns are round and on top of the head. or if you look at the native americans, both north and south, they had very large hats/crowns but they were made out of feathers and other things. the ones we see in egypt are hollow.

http://www.google.ca/imgres?q=african+headdress&um=1&hl=en&biw=1024&bih=513&tbm=isch&tbnid=lypljrupmrtitm:&imgrefurl=http://kay-dee.net/costumes/purple/acces.htm&docid=6eekvjdijmnchm&w=919&h=889&ei=mypitr-za6qqsql5m_crca&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=154&vpy=180&dur=1090&hovh=221&hovw=228&tx=103&ty=173&page=2&tbnh=164&tbnw=167&start=10&ndsp=10&ved=1t:429,r:5,s:10

memories of the past?

i know that there were a lot of long sculls fond but i heard that many formed their babies heads like this on purpose. but still the purpose was in honor of the gods. and how could they know what the gods looked like?

btw, the children in the drawings look like adults. jesus is also drawn like this.
in hindu tradition though some of the gods that were either avatars or known to ever been children, are drawn as normal children.

love,
ra ma

[Burton]

when ra refers that we humans (egyptians) were having an ever greater interest in the "sun body" i don't believe that we at that time knew anything about conditions on the 6th density (as we do not also today, for that matter). somehow ra identified himself/herself with the distortions of our concept of the sun. so i wonder, what is the sun to us? clearly it is a male aspect since it reaches out with its rays into the void, into the potential of the unmanifested. earth is female since it it is the receptacle of life, the nurturer. the sun is radiative. perhaps that is in accordance with ra himself/herself, since ra sometimes referred the difference between being radiative (positive) and magnetic (negative), between light and dark, between service-to-others and service-to-self. one could also wonder that it would be extremely interesting to ra, to help those people on earth that started to show interest in venus, since it would be the home planet of ra (in the 3rd density at least). and, of course, why not the moon, so constantly present in our skies? it would also be a very good candidate, representing that that is our lacking, the things that we long for, our emptiness (at least astrologically). but no, ra chose the sun. it must be (in my opinion) an archetypical aspect of some significance, because that choice is not innocent.

seeker, if you look at the quote from ra carefully it states that;


an ever-stronger interest in the sun body, and this vibrates in concordance with our particular distortions. [...]

this means that at the time the egyptians distortions toward honouring the sun body vibrates with the distortions of the ra complex. not the other way around. i believe there is a quote from the loo that may help here.


41.4 questioner: in your last statement did you mean that the sixth density entities are actually creating manifestations of the sun in their density? could you explain what you meant by that?
ra: i am ra. in this density some entities whose means of reproduction is fusion may choose to perform this portion of experience as part of the beingness of the sun body. thus you may think of portions of the light that you receive as offspring of the generative expression of sixth-density love.

41.5 questioner: then could you say that sixth-density entities are using that mechanism to be more closely co-creators with the infinite creator?
ra: i am ra. this is precisely correct as seen in the latter portions of sixth density seeking the experiences of the gateway density.

this shows how in 6d entities have a very strong distortion towards the sun body. they chose to manifest light/love while attempting to reach 7d where they would literally become love/light. this also shows why ra's distortion is/was towards the sun body. 6d actually manifests a portion (or all not quite sure) of the light perceived by lower densities in an attempt to more closely serve the creator.

[Jeia Ra Manuk]

the man was small in life-experience on your plane and was a… what this instrument would call, wanderer. thus, this mind/body/spirit complex received our communication distortions and was able to blend his distortions with our own.


i don't think that it is obvious that a wanderer is more receptive to the law of one as you affirm.
well, we were talking about specifics and discussing an individual case and not all wanderers. right dear?


there can be many problems that arise in the life of a wanderer, e.g. as a general feeling of not belonging to this earth, that can be quite difficult to deal with when one is relatively young on the planet, as seems to be the case of this particular pharaoh.

i know all these feelings and i fully agree with you that it is difficult to be dropped into an unknown environment. but it seems that they chose him and it was easier to establish contact with him exactly because he was 'fresh meat.'


i also believe that being a wanderer and being a channel are two very different things and that there are no obligatory nexus of cause and effect here.
not all wanderers are channels, but all channels are wanderers. all psychics have the same attributes as wanderers (alienation, the repulse from bodily functions, miscommunication, sickness, allergies, etc to one degree or another). no one is better than anybody else. this is not at all what i am trying to imply on. does this mean that a native human can't be a channel? there has to be a certain affirmation with the oneness but it is possible. essentially we are all wanderers.


when ra refers that we humans (egyptians) were having an ever greater interest in the "sun body" i don't believe that we at that time knew anything about conditions on the 6th density (as we do not also today, for that matter). somehow ra identified himself/herself with the distortions of our concept of the sun.

of course they did not. i said they had an interest in the sun and those with the sun body answered the call. the sun is our sub-logos. we do not have to understand it to reach for it. does the grass on the ground have a concept of the loo? not consciously, yet, it reaches for the sun. the travel through densities correlates beautifully with the life cycle of a solar system.


so i wonder, what is the sun to us? clearly it is a male aspect since it reaches out with its rays into the void, into the potential of the unmanifested. earth is female since it it is the receptacle of life, the nurturer. the sun is radiative.
i feel that if each woman/man couple can identify themselves with the sun and the earth they would enter into the perfect harmonies relationship. i identify my partner as the sun and he identifies me as the earth/sky/dawn. it is funny because both my husband and now my son have the initials: r.a.


perhaps that is in accordance with ra himself/herself, since ra sometimes referred the difference between being radiative (positive) and magnetic (negative), between light and dark, between service-to-others and service-to-self.
referred to the difference as what? interestingly enough the radiative(positive) and magnetic(negative) fits perfectly into a theory i am working on. that after the 3rd density the atoms in out bodies can actually loose or gain electrons thus acquiring a charge!


one could also wonder that it would be extremely interesting to ra, to help those people on earth that started to show interest in venus, since it would be the home planet of ra (in the 3rd density at least). and, of course, why not the moon, so constantly present in our skies? it would also be a very good candidate, representing that that is our lacking, the things that we long for, our emptiness (at least astrologically). but no, ra chose the sun. it must be (in my opinion) an archetypical aspect of some significance, because that choice is not innocent.

first of all, ra answered the cries of atlantians before they had any interactions with the egyptians. they were committed to service and went there to help. venus was their home planet until they choose to leave for saturn, i believe, and now venus is occupied by 5th density beings. i think that after 5th density we won't really need a planet to be on at all times.
ra choose the sun because it is an international symbol for all planets. i presume, that the water in the bodies of the 6th density beings is in the state of plasma because they themselves function on fusion. so, a lot of the light we recieve here is not only from the sun but also from ra.
again, this is why we have the tarot card of the devil. this is a representation of how the venusians have effect on our reality by emitting light! [jeia's opinion]

love and light and love,
ra ma

[Jeia Ra Manuk]

well not really, this is not my opinion at all. this is an opinion of others before. like plato, who literally gave us atlantis. and who gave him this knowledge? the egyptians [moderators: this is not a confirmed fact see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/atlantis ]. and they just went through a whole thing with aliens. so plato was obviously shown this card and he wrote his allegory of the cave [jeia's conclusions]. if you think about it greeks make the perfect candidates for transferring the knowledge of the tarot to the roman empire. [her opinion again]

[Jeia Ra Manuk]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/atlantis#plato.27s_account

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/capricorn_(astrology) this is interesting, because the card is often paralleled with the capricorn. i wander what went on last time we were in the age of capricorn. anyone interested in doing some calculations? =]


questioner: the fifteenth archetype is the matrix of the spirit and has been called the devil. can you tell me why that is so?
ra: i am ra. we do not wish to be facile in such a central query, but we may note that the nature of the spirit is so infinitely subtle that the fructifying influence of light upon the great darkness of the spirit is very often not as apparent as the darkness itself. the progress chosen by many adepts becomes a confused path as each adept attempts to use the catalyst of the spirit. few there are which are successful in grasping the light of the sun. by far, the majority of adepts remain groping in the moonlight and, as we have said, this light can deceive as well as uncover hidden mystery. therefore, the melody, shall we say, of this matrix often seems to be of a negative and evil, as you would call it, nature.
it is also to be noted that an adept is one which has freed itself more and more from the constraints of the thoughts, opinions, and bonds of other-selves. whether this is done for service to others or service to self, it is a necessary part of the awakening of the adept. this freedom is seen by those not free as what you would call evil or black. the magic is recognized; the nature is often.

[Jeia Ra Manuk]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/the_devil_(tarot_card)#interpretation

if the major arcana is analogized to the sun’s circle across the sky, the devil governs the sun at midnight, when it is most vulnerable to the old night. the ancient egyptians tell of the serpent demon apophis, chaos, who would sometimes lay in wait for ra as he piloted the boat of the sun down the nile to be born again in the morning. sometimes, apophis would swallow the sun. mercifully, the reversals of the night brought set to an unlikely rescue; he ripped apophis open and let the sun escape. set, the devil, is the adversary but sometimes, he is our best and only ally.
the chains are loose. they can be slipped. the devil’s own torch can light the way out and light the return, back to the surface.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/astrological_age#the_age_of_leo_.28the_leonian_age .29
the age of leo (the leonian age)
symbol for leo:
the vernal equinox (northern hemisphere) is occurring in leo;
time frames
zodiacal 30 degrees:
common interpretation: ca. 10,500 bc to 8000 bc.
overview "the golden age"
historical similarities
the major event at this time was an ancient global warming to such a massive extent that it led to the deglaciation of what now constitutes much of the modern habitable world. the deglaciation ultimately caused a 300 foot (90 m) rise in the sea level. the sign leo is a fire sign and is traditionally ruled by the sun in astrology, and it is entirely appropriate that in an age ruled by the sun, that the warmth of the sun melted the glaciers that covered much of north america and europe. leo is also related to any kind of light source, and the carved stone oil lamp was invented during this time (oil lamps existed previously, but this type was the first proper continuously-burning lamp.).


interestingly enough, there is a corrispondance here. the card is missing one element= water. if i am correct and the 6th densiy beings are in fact plasma this makes perfect sense.
and after the age of leo we get the age of cancer= the moon, the mother, the nurturer.

[Jeia Ra Manuk]

by the way,
the creature we see on this card is way before the origination of the concept of baphomet or any thing alike. why would then those with freedom be represented by such a form? perhaps a distortion or an attempt at hiding the true allegory. the heart of the matter is that the humans in this card are wearing masks that represent the deceiving being behind.
http://www.lawofone.info/images/tarot15.jpg

although to many this card would seem to represent the clutches of the material world ra underlines that they "do not wish to be facile in such a central query." as in they don't want to talk about such silly human concepts as the devil and what it may represent.

"the nature of the spirit is so infinitely subtle [thin] that the fructifying influence of light upon /the great darkness of the spirit/ is very often /not as apparent as the darkness itself/."

the light that is polluting the darkness is not as apparent as the darkness itself. very often. as in it is not seen until the deed is done.


"i am ra. the excursion of which you speak and the process of disassociation is most usually linked with that archetype you call hope which we would prefer to call faith. this archetype is the catalyst of the spirit and, because of the illuminations of the potentiator of the spirit, will begin to cause these changes in the adept’s viewpoint"

"the progress chosen by many adepts becomes a confused path as each adept attempts to use the catalyst of the spirit. few there are which are successful in grasping the light of the sun. by far, the majority of adepts remain groping in the moonlight and, as we have said, this light can deceive as well as uncover hidden mystery."

you must go through darkness to see the light. the darkness of our world, our density, is thus the darkness that was left behind by those that grasped the light of the sun.

so we are talking about two adepts, really, that are in the darkness. the light is behind them and they are looking at their shadows playing around on the ground. this is their reality. why are they in chains then? if they are already fooled by the light why would the being behind them need to make sure they are restrained?

"therefore, the melody, shall we say, of this matrix often seems to be of a negative and evil, as you would call it, nature." nature of our animalistic form, perhaps? seems to be, but is it really?

"it is also to be noted that an adept is one which has freed itself more and more from the constraints of the thoughts, opinions, and bonds of other-selves."
ah, so these adepts are trying to break the chain before breaking the illusion???
so that's the chain... the biases and opinions and subjectivity. so it is not at all the creature behind our backs that got us tied down, but we tie our selves down! and it is exactly these subjective opinions that formulated such concepts as the devil.
again, these are just my thoughts and my opinions. but over and over again, ra is trying to be relative to us, to our understanding, while still lighting the way.

ra ma

[A Seeker]

none of the children of akhenaten and nefertiti were named amarna. amarna is the name of the region they inhabited, and is also used as a proxy for the time period during which they lived.

[again, tenet is correct, although the daughters of akhenaten and nefertiti are collectively known as the amarna princesses.]

yes, :) there has been some very interesting documentaries recently about this period and indeed the royal city of amarna has been discovered. david w. has shown in the film, in those plaques, the very few remains of the amarna period. as ra mentions:


session 2 of the law of one, january 20, 1981
[...] however, this entity’s beliefs were accepted by very few. his priests gave lip service only, without the spiritual distortion towards seeking. the peoples continued in their beliefs. when this entity was no longer in this density, again the polarized beliefs in the many gods came into their own and continued so until the one known as muhammed delivered the peoples into a more intelligible distortion of mind/body/spirit relationships. [...]

and,


session 23 of the law of one, february 11, 1981
[...] meanwhile, the information concerning initiation and healing by crystal was being given. the one known as “ikhnaton” was able to perceive this information without significant distortion and for a time, moved, shall we say, heaven and earth in order to invoke the law of one and to order the priesthood of these structures in accordance with the distortions of initiation and true compassionate healing. this was not to be long-lasting.

at this entity’s physical dissolution from your third-density physical plane, as we have said before, our teachings became quickly perverted, our structures once again went to the use of the so-called “royal” or those with distortions towards power. [...]

amarna was the capital city of egypt, i believe, during that period, and was build precisely from the ground for that reason. after "ikhnaton" death it was abandoned and the old capital became capital again. the "adoration of aten" (as classical egyptologists call it) was interrupted and abandoned. but i still think (personally) that there will be much more to discover about this specific period of time in the future. the impact of that period may have been much more persistent than otherwise expected. if i am not mistaken it was that pharaoh that liberated the "slaves" -- an act that the majority of society saw as "bold" to say the least. these consisted of captured warriors from neighbouring countries/kingdoms/societies for the most part. when he died those liberated ran away from egypt because "those with distortions towards power" wanted a new order to emerge. two "diaspora" began: one toward the holy land and the other toward the iberic peninsula. some old egyptian statuettes, vases and symbols have indeed been found all over spain and portugal. some of the statues were of isis nurturing horus (see: mother of horus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/isis#mother_of_horus)).

jeia ra manuk and burton, thank you for your answers. they have been most valuable. although the

right dear? was slightly unnecessary... :d i will keep up with my readings! thanks!

[Jeia Ra Manuk]

a seeker,

well i do apologies for expressing my love towards you by using kind words and for asking for a confirmation to assure the vitality of my words. :(

love and light and love,
ra ma

[Jeia Ra Manuk]

burton,
thank you for this quote, i was trying to find it to undeline what i was saying as well:


41.4 questioner: in your last statement did you mean that the sixth density entities are actually creating manifestations of the sun in their density? could you explain what you meant by that?
ra: i am ra. in this density some entities whose means of reproduction is fusion may choose to perform this portion of experience as part of the beingness of the sun body. thus you may think of portions of the light that you receive as offspring of the generative expression of sixth-density love.
41.5 questioner: then could you say that sixth-density entities are using that mechanism to be more closely co-creators with the infinite creator?
ra: i am ra. this is precisely correct as seen in the latter portions of sixth density seeking the experiences of the gateway density.

"thus you may think of portions of the light that you receive as offspring of the generative expression of sixth-density love."
there it is, this is what i was talking about.

"the chains are loose. they can be slipped. the devil’s own torch can light the way out and light the return, back to the surface." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/the_devil_(tarot_card)

the chains on the tarot card "the devil" are the chains we ourselves locked us in. they are the biases and the subjective opinions from which we must break away before we can break away from this vibration of light and into the next.

love and light and love,
ra ma

p.s: going back to 6th density experience with no polarity. this makes sense for the sun can both nurture and burn, yet it has no morals behind these actions. no good nor bad, no polarity!

[Tenet Nosce]

but i still think (personally) that there will be much more to discover about this specific period of time in the future. the impact of that period may have been much more persistent than otherwise expected.

yes, when the tombs of the late 18th dynasty families were found, it seemed to the archaeologists that there had been an attempt to completely wipe them from the historical record. then the drama started right back up with the "curse" of king tut's tomb, questions about whether nefertiti was ahkenaten's sister, whether he had male lovers, whether he fathered a child with one of his daughters, etc. one can only wonder what other chunks of history have been hidden from us!

[Jeia Ra Manuk]

tenet,
some hidden and some lost. what ever it may be it is an unfinished puzzle that we will never find the pieces to in this density. the past is behind us, we cannot go back and look. i wonder if the "looking glass" technology was ever used to fill in blank spots in history!

love,
ra ma

[Tenet Nosce]

i just received this as part of a forwarded message from a friend:


david wilcock capitol mistake

on the subject of the u.s. capitol, i was very encouraged to see david wilcock make extensive use of material from " freedom's gate: the lost symbols in the u.s. capitol," my book co-authored with dr. mark gray, in his new lecture video. david shared about 10 minutes of our original research on the apotheosis or deification of george washington and the symbolism of the capitol. it was the final 'wow!' moment of his talk. after investing a couple of years and tons of resources doing the research, it's rewarding to see this important information continue to ripple into the thought sphere. what would it mean to discover that the u.s. capitol is a temple of ascension, one that can be used to tap into a higher power? or that the painting in the dome of this temple encodes the secrets of how to become gods? today, it means everything! "freedom's gate" holds the keys to america's future.

for what it's worth, i do have to point out a serious inaccuracy in david's talk. during his exposition of the "freedom's gate" material, he makes the statement that the prophecy of man becoming god is encoded in the u.s. capitol symbolism and 2012 is the year the founding fathers want us to know about. as evidence, he points to the painting in the frieze of the dome depicting the spanish conquistador cortez meeting the aztec king, montazuma, just before the spanish destroyed and colonized the aztec empire. behind montazuma, says david, emphatically, is the mayan calendar. this painting proves the 2012-capitol connection or "apothesosis 2012", as he calls it.

the problem is, it is actually the aztec sun stone that is behind montazuma, and it has nothing to do with the mayan long count calendar or 2012!

doh!

it's true that the aztec and the maya trace their calendars back to earlier mesoamerican calendars, but they're not the same thing. it's erroneous to equate them and misleading to say "the painting of the mayan calendar in the dome of the u.s. capitol points to the fact that the founding fathers believed in maya 2012 prophecy".

i wish it were true, but it's not.

[TOTHE]

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[MarkM]

i just received this as part of a forwarded message from a friend:

i don't get wh's newsletter, yet have seen the disclaimer; but it is indeed the aztec sun stone, i knew this as soon as i watched the david comment. i also know that he is aware of the difference, and he is in the process of annotating the vid to make corrections.

i have referred to it as the mayan calendar in error myself, as there's not too much which separates these things in my mind in a wholistic sense. i have a 12 inch plaster rendition of the aztec stone on my bedroom wall, but i think that innocent errors in the course of a dw presentation can be understood and forgiven..

i have had to get myself okay with some of david's high-flying mistakes with such things, in order to appreciate the wider message.

david's enthusiasm and quick relay through 16 hours of material in a weekend conference offers up many opportunities for slips of the tongue, as in the issue of akhenaton being the son of osiris... not explained but touched upon by dw, i know that he is aware of the mythological value of the pharaohs being of the office of horus (son of osiris) incarnate, but david has too much material to go through in a weekend to make all of these time-consuming qualifications.

he maintains an amazing momentum for a public speaker, over a marathon engagement; perhaps at the expense of factual perfection amid the thousands of points raised, but...

there's something about the presentation which goes beyond the intellect, needing the heart to do the taking up, filling in the gaps and blessing of the intent from a heart-centered view. to focus on the intellectual imperfections of the messenger may be to lessen the spiritual value of the overall message, and david's overall message is, i believe, of love.

tenet, i'm not suggesting you are overly focused on the errors, but i just wanted to attempt to balance this for the benefit of all. :) mark

[Tenet Nosce]

tenet, i'm not suggesting you are overly focused on the errors, but i just wanted to attempt to balance this for the benefit of all. :) mark

just want to get the facts straight! there is a tendency for folks to throw out the baby with the bathwater when factual errors are made.

i was very happy to see dw get back on the source field train. particularly liked the new piece on dna teleportation!

[sqri]

loved the video and i can't wait for the book to get here. i just tracked the delivery on amazon and it said that it was out for delivery! it could be here any minute!! i've already cleared a huge chunk of time so i can immerse myself in its knowledge.
in the love and the light,
jon

[Jeia Ra Manuk]

yeah, i can see david making mistakes when he has to speak so much in public. he doesn't screw up on important information though, i gotta give him that. thank you for the letter you provided us with. although it is important to know the difference between the sun stone and the long count calendar, i think david is just asking "what is the sun stone doing there?" like, what were they trying to say by providing this image when making the dome? so in this context, i think david is drawing such conclusions because to him, as well as to me, it's strange that such a combination of symbolism would be going on there.
as it goes for the names of the princesses and other errors you pointed out, i think the point is still the same even though corrections are being applied. names are irrelevant when it comes to the big picture, and that's pretty much what david is doing: providing us with the big picture. but if a person wants to pursue specific information that david does mention, i think he/she will have enough wit (like you did) to check it out and contrast between different sources!

thanks again, tenet, for your input!
you are very bright!

love and light and love,
ra ma

p.s: people who want to blindly believe in what david says are most likely the type that he mentions, that don't even know this website and forum exist. they are the type that use the word "they" instead of remembering names, numbers and places. for them it's just information for gossip rather than intellectual pursuit.

[Jeia Ra Manuk]

loved the video and i can't wait for the book to get here. i just tracked the delivery on amazon and it said that it was out for delivery! it could be here any minute!! i've already cleared a huge chunk of time so i can immerse myself in its knowledge.
in the love and the light,
jon

:d
yay!

when i was reading, i thought the 3rd sentence went like this: i've cleared a huge chunk of space on my desk so i can immerse myself in its knowledge. although, i can see immersing into the book when you pass out in it because you're not able to put it down and go to sleep and because you cleared all that space on your desk. ha! anyways, i guess time is a desk upon which we put our belongings on.

but anyways, good luck and do try to sleep!
love and light and love,
ra ma

[Jeia Ra Manuk]

coast to coast update:
congradz to noory!
rip budd hopkins!

i know many beautiful children will be born when i die, so i am glad everyone gets this gift when they are passing on!

i am listening to it now, and i had to pause to underline something amazing i figured out with dave's help!

the energy flow that creates geometric patterns in water,which is the gravitational pull on atoms, is the energy that can create and transport dna into and from a liquid substance. that ties in so well with the fact that we've now seen dna being transferred in and out of water!

what is being said, is that the energy, which is created from the force effecting the matter, is not a parallel to other forces but an outcome of the relations between force and matter.

this is amazing. that's all it takes. by zapping one water chamber containing the dna, the dna reapers in an other water chamber. with the right technology all you'd need to do is go under water, get zapped (hopefully faster than 16 hours), and be transported into another chamber with water.

a civilization that would be just one step ahead of us, with this technology already made, would be seen by both us and our ancestors as gods/angles/demons/etc.

love and light and love,
ra ma

[Light Worker]

namasté. about the "errors" in d.w. speech during the video presentation, i think they´re perfectly normal, in an 16 hour presentation. everybody in one time or another said the "wrong" word, or sentence, including myself. i agree with jeia ra manuk, when he/she said that the most important is the "big picture", and not the isolated facts or "pieces of the puzzle" by itself. we always should try to "see" the big picture, although this is not an easy process. anyway the quality of the information of this video is excelent, and i believe that the information in d.w. new book will be of "paramount" importance to the development of humankind consciousness. "indeed we live in wanderfull times", namasté,

[Jeia Ra Manuk]

light worker,
thanks for the supporting words! it's perfectly fine to identify errors and correct them. once i had a run in with a girl in school, who wanted to fight me just because i corrected something in her work. lol. while i was perfectly okay when other's corrected my own work and thanked them very much! so, i guess, it all depends on the speaker. david is a really good presenter. like when he said a couple of things wrong in the video, even if he did notice his mistake, he did not pause. i would probably freeze on the spot and turn red! he-he.
anyways, like i said before, it's perfectly normal for intellectual people like tenet to do further research on certain elements of the presentation/book. it is actually very good that this body of material is provoking people to look deeper into these things!

love and light,
ra ma

[scottki]

forgive and tell me if this has already been discussed. regarding the et skulls of the egyptian and other 'gods', are they a 3d race? if the royal blood lines take their lineage from them, and the royal blood lines are on the sts path, does that mean the egyptian and other 'gods' were?

[Jeia Ra Manuk]

forgive and tell me if this has already been discussed. regarding the et skulls of the egyptian and other 'gods', are they a 3d race? if the royal blood lines take their lineage from them, and the royal blood lines are on the sts path, does that mean the egyptian and other 'gods' were?

well we can't know for sure, but we can organize some of the data we have. what we can take from the ra material is that ikhnaton was a wanderer. and i am pretty sure there were a lot of them around that time. so i am guessing there might as well be a couple of wanderers in the royal blood lines of our time. but we know that even wanderers can be effected by negativity.

also, we know that the martians were mutating their genetic material. and i am sure a couple other 3d civilizations were able to achieve such knowledge in that department. but i will have to underline something i've said before: if these beings are 3d they would have to be either from our solar system or very close by, because the ascension into 4d usually occurs before such scientific breakthroughs.

about the skulls. we know that most of the crystal skulls have the same shape. on this subject, i really liked the latest indiana jones movie, about these skulls. what i like the most in it, is that these skulls actually belong to other dimensional beings. and they seem to posses all knowledge, so they might as well be a representation of the 5th density of wisdom!

the only thing that gives these gods away as being either of 3d or of a higher negative dimension, is the fact that in all religions, we have recorded physical fights between the "good" and the "bad" aliens.

anyways, i'll add more when i think of it! :)
hope this helps!

love and light and love,
ra ma

ps: surely not all egyptian pharaohs were of sts path, but most of them were. like who ever decided to carve his head into the lion's head of the sphinx. those that want to act as the middle man between the people and the gods are definitely sts because they have the idea that they are worthy while other's are not. (as in you can't talk to them directly, you have to let 'them' know, so that 'they' can tell god, because 'they' can and you can't.)

[scottki]

thanks for your thoughts ra ma. i guess just because some of your blood lines were sts, does not mean that a wanderer would not incarnate in to that body and vice versa. as with a lot of this kind of thing, the initial people were sto but it becomes corrupted. the interesting thing is that both a wanderer and a wanabe stser would want to incarnate in to someone likely to have influence. do you know who decides who gets to incarnate in to a body?

how do you know that the crystal skulls are actual skulls? fascinating! if they are 5d how can we see them?

[Jeia Ra Manuk]

hello scottki,
you raise some very interesting questions! and you have 111 posts lol! :) two days ago i was at 212. so here's what i think!


do you know who decides who gets to incarnate in to a body?
we decide this when we are in time/space between incarnations. but once we enter the infant in the womb, we do not remember any of this due to the limitations of the yet undeveloped brain. for some people, maybe the karma planning does not change depending much on the type of person you will be. but yes, it would be important for wanderers, especially if during the time/space rehab, we fully remember who we are. ra gave a percentage of how many people are choosing their parents during time/space. i think it was 50-something. i don't want to lie, but you should find that bit in the books or in the guide, i think it would be of help for the dilemma we have here.


how do you know that the crystal skulls are actual skulls? fascinating! if they are 5d how can we see them?
i don't know if these are actual skulls, i was just going by the plot of the movie. but, it could make sense. in my opinion, when we are moving through the upper densities, our chemical body becomes less dense, so it is loose. i think our bodies would be able to adjust to certain conditions better. so if we are closer to the sun, our bodies would liquefy and become plasma, and if we are further away from the sun or are protected by an atmosphere our bodies could crystallize. and ra does underline the importance of crystals and the crystallization effect. so it could be true. the fact is, these skulls might not even need to have a brain, so thus the skulls we found do not have a cavity in the middle of the head for the brain. the crystal might as well be functioning like a brain due to its capacity to record information. the legend goes, that if we collect all the original skulls, the person in the middle may receive all the knowledge. i don't know, but seeing how it turned out in the movie, i'd say these are highly likely negative 5th density beings. positive 5th and 6th density beings never offer knowledge in such a matter and if they do, a person knows before hand, exactly what they are getting them selves into. all knowledge cannot possible be given because of free will.


love and light and love,
ra ma

[scottki]

[quote=jeia ra manuk;61044]hello scottki,
you raise some very interesting questions! and you have 111 posts lol! :) two days ago i was at 212. so here's what i think!
nice one!

we decide this when we are in time/space between incarnations.

but what if it was someone who was pretty sure to have influence in the world? i am guessing the wanderer being 6d would win but, i have just thought of something, does the law of one say anything about a sts 4d- coming back to help the orion group? i think i remember something about them not doing that because that is essentially sto?

i don't know if these are actual skulls, i was just going by the plot of the movie. the crystal might as well be functioning like a brain due to its capacity to record information. positive 5th and 6th density beings never offer knowledge in such a matter and if they do, a person knows before hand, exactly what they are getting them selves into. all knowledge cannot possible be given because of free will.

what movie?

[Chris Hamilton]

as an fyi, members are reminded that david's video discusses many subjects briefly, but that the forum does list many of them in their own thread. as an example, we have the the crystal skulls discussed in this thread:
http://divinecosmos.com/forums/showthread.php?10869-13-skulls&highlight=crystal+skulls

i found this by simply using the search box and keying in 'crystal skulls', so i encourage all members to use this great tool.

[Sammy]

i realy enjoyed david's latest vid. i enjoyed all of em actualy, and have been reluctant to say anything because im still trying to take it all in haha.

i had been thinking about what was said about the pineal gland and how its connected to the rest of the body (brain, spinal cord, etc...). i had also been considering the possibilities as to why there is such a difference in the "bodies" within the field. for example i was looking at a bee on some flowers and was trying to rationalize why the skeleton (bones) would be external. my best guess was that the bodies are filters to the energy waves. having no bones being the lowest, to exo-skeleton, to scales, to flesh, then last fur. "this is crazy!" i thought. as clever as it might be, im just shooting off on a whim.

today i watched a video talking about how parts of our brains will simulate actions that are being done to others, or rather processing it in a similair way to actualy being touched just without the actual contact. the point was that the only difference between us is our skin "bodies". since the consciousness is shared the body is standing in the way.

i couldnt believe this, it not only coincided with what i had been considering but also whent all the way back to the pineal gland. im not sure what the "filters" serve in purpose, but i have a few guesses.

creatures with exo-skeletons (less filter) are colony orientated. less able to do the acts within freewill, and a victim to the source field input. so what david said about our pineal gland and its sensitivity, tells me the filter was a defense from the influencing energy. which i understand, if we did everything we thought there would be big trouble. so we have put up more filters and almost to the max (fur), which would be under the influence of our bodies pulses instead of the source fields. we essentialy ride the line of control in our field of existance, changing not just one mind but many with very little time spent. perhaps this is what jesus meant when he said "we are the arch for the animals".

[billybobbutterball]

dear skotki

"the movie" is indiana jones and the kingdom of the crystal skull

in response to speculations concerning negative 6th and 5ths wanderers incarnating on earth, according to the ra this is very rare as they would not easily take the chance of losing vital aspects of their polarity...i would guess they prefer the role of off-stage puppet masters. :eek:

bbb

[Chris Hamilton]

hi sammy,

i did need to comment on your statement below:


creatures with exo-skeletons (less filter) are colony orientated. less able to do the acts within freewill, and a victim to the source field input.

creatures with exo-skeletons are 2nd density critters and do not have self-consciousness, thus they do not have free will. instead, 2nd density is generally driven by the source field itself, since survival instinct and sensitivity to the field tend to govern their moves. just my 2 cents :) chris

[Jeia Ra Manuk]

hey bill,
just wanted to say that there are no 6d negative beings. :) when it comes to wanderers it's all a reversed process. a 5d negative being is yet to become a 6th density love/wisdom complex. so it's not at all in their priority to become a wanderer. if you are a negative being, you will keep pushing the separation distortion until one day you are confronted with the fact that you can't go any higher until you lift this distortion.

love you,
ra ma

[billybobbutterball]

hey bill,
just wanted to say that there are no 6d negative beings. when it comes to wanderers it's all a reversed process. a 5d negative being is yet to become a 6th density love/wisdom complex. so it's not at all in their priority to become a wanderer. if you are a negative being, you will keep pushing the separation distortion until one day you are confronted with the fact that you can't go any higher until you lift this distortion.

love you,
ra ma

dear liz. what's this? you moderating a moderator? :eek:

gee whiz... you have shaken my self-confidence. is this the beginning of a trend?:o

okay. as i understand it, a negative entity can indeed enter 6d but soon runs into a 'glass' ceiling.

the inner drive to evolve is powerful enough to induce the negative to employ his trained will power to change polarity, no sweat.

unfortunately my memory is neither trained nor powerful so it might be tainted...i mean, i just might be an eeny bittsy sorta wrong.

love, etc., billious

[Jeia Ra Manuk]

actually i am just offering knowledge to a friend! :)
here are some quotes that will help this overall situation!


question: when incarnation ceases to be automatic, can an entity decide when he needs to incarnate for the benefit of his own learning. does he select his parents? (b1, s21, 194)

ra: this is correct.

question: at this time what percentage of the entities incarnating are making their own choices?

ra: about 54%.

b. will any 5th density entities be on the surface of the planet?

ra: not for a fairly long measure of your time as 4th density beings need to spend their learning and teaching time with their own density's entities. (b2, s43, 105)

ra: 5th density beings will not live on the surface of the planetary sphere until the planet reaches 5th density vibratory level. (b2, s43, 106)


previously the two were positively oriented wanderers[concerning the two negative entities that ascended into 4th density when venus was going through harvest of the 3d to 4th density.]

question: what was the origin of these two entities?

ra: these entities were wanderers from early positive 5th density. (b4, s89, 130)

question: and though they had already evolved through a positive 4th density, they switched polarity when they reincarnated into 3rd density. is this correct? (b4, s89, 131)

ra: that is correct.

xiii. are there any 6th density negatively polarized wanderers in our past?
ra: this information could be harmful. we withhold it. please attempt to view the entities about you as part of the creator. (b2, 67)
xiv. there are no negative higher selves
ra: there are no negative beings that have obtained the higher self manifestation. (b2, 66)
xv. negative sixth density entities switch to the positive path
ra: as the 6th density approaches, the negative orientation is thrown into confusion and little space travel is attempted. (b3, 13)
ra: these negatively oriented mind/body/spirit complexes have a difficulty which to our knowledge has never been overcome, for after 5th density graduation wisdom is available but it must be matched with an equal amount of love. this is difficult to do for negatively oriented entities so they will choose to release the negativity and leap into 6th density positive. (b2, 66)

love,
liz

[billybobbutterball]

dearest ms. liz, thank you for correcting my error(s) i am indeed indebted to you for your excellent job of clarification.

i think i might be able to forgive you -- about the time i finally reach 5th or 6th?

3b's aka billious :)

[Sammy]

hi sammy,

i did need to comment on your statement below:



creatures with exo-skeletons are 2nd density critters and do not have self-consciousness, thus they do not have free will. instead, 2nd density is generally driven by the source field itself, since survival instinct and sensitivity to the field tend to govern their moves. just my 2 cents :) chris

you said it much more explainatory then i did, but that was what i was trying to say haha.

so what you are saying however is that my observation was on the same path as something else, could you please share the levels of density? first i've heard of it.

[MarkM]

hi liz,

perhaps there are no sixth density negs, but perhaps there are...


7.15 questioner: what is the density of the orion group?

ra: i am ra. like the confederation, the densities of the mass consciousnesses which comprise that group are varied. there are a very few third density, a larger number of fourth density, a similarly large number of fifth density, and very few sixth-density entities comprising this organization. their numbers are perhaps one-tenth ours at any point in the space/time continuum as the problem of spiritual entropy causes them to experience constant disintegration of their social memory complexes. their power is the same as ours. the law of one blinks neither at the light nor the darkness, but is available for service to others and service to self. however, service to others results in service to self, thus preserving and further harmonizing the distortions of those entities seeking intelligent infinity through these disciplines.

those seeking intelligent infinity through the use of service to self create the same amount of power but, as we said, have constant difficulty because of the concept of separation which is implicit in the manifestations of the service to self which involve power over others. this weakens and eventually disintegrates the energy collected by such mind/body/spirit complexes who call the orion group and the social memory complexes which comprise the orion group.

it should be noted, carefully pondered, and accepted, that the law of one is available to any social memory complex which has decided to strive together for any seeking of purpose, be it service to others or service to self. the laws, which are the primal distortions of the law of one, then are placed into operation and the illusion of space/time is used as a medium for the development of the results of those choices freely made. thus all entities learn, no matter what they seek. all learn the same, some rapidly, some slowly.

i'm unaware that any of the positive polarity are members of the orion group - seems to me to be highly unlikely given the empirical and heirarchical sts nature of the group.

a distinction comes to mind between a mind/body/spirit complex which has attained over the boundary from fifth to sixth density, and a 'sixth density higher self'. as in all densities, there are sub-densities or 'grades' within sixth as well.


17.34 questioner: then if an entity is harvested into the fourth density with a grade of fifty-one percent for others and forty-nine percent for self, what level of the fourth density would he go into? i am assuming that there are different levels of the fourth density.

ra: i am ra. this is correct. each enters that sub-density which vibrates in accordance with the entity’s understanding.

it could be that the attainment of office of 'sixth-density higher self', in relation to third density beings, occurs in the more advanced sub-levels of sixth... as we see that attainment of green ray attributes are gradual in third...


19:14... ra:... the new or initial third density has this innocent, shall we say, bias or distortion towards viewing those in the family, the society, as you would call, perhaps, country, as self. thus though a distortion not helpful for progress in third density, it is without polarity.

here, we see that a 'new' third density being (i think i know one or two of these.. ;) ) is still owned of many of the attributes of second density beings. with the awakening green or third-ray attributes of love of other selves as other selves still largely in potentiation.

thus it may be that a fifth density neg is able to 'enter the vestibule', so to speak, of sixth density, but yet find that here is where he hits the wall, and needs to drop the pretense of sts... finally, and once and for all. mark

[Jeia Ra Manuk]

well i do hope you'll forgive me sooner, because i've already grown attached to our friendship!
and in a way, you've already forgave me, because a. we are all wanderers here, so you've already reached at least 5th density and b. from the perspective of the 6th density/higher self there is no linear flow of time!

he-he!

love,
liz

[Jeia Ra Manuk]

you said it much more explainatory then i did, but that was what i was trying to say haha.

so what you are saying however is that my observation was on the same path as something else, could you please share the levels of density? first i've heard of it.

dear sammy,
go to the "start here" tab from the main page of the website. find free books, find the law of one guide book, and then read it! he-he!

love,
ra ma

[Jeia Ra Manuk]

hey mark,
see... that's where i get confused:


xiii. are there any 6th density negatively polarized wanderers in our past?
ra: this information could be harmful. we withhold it. please attempt to view the entities about you as part of the creator. (b2, 67)
xiv. there are no negative higher selves
ra: there are no negative beings that have obtained the higher self manifestation. (b2, 66)

so i am guessing the higher self manifestation does not occur right away when we enter 6th density. so this fits perfectly with what you are saying! every sub has 7 more subs and so on, never ending. i guess this is why we have different densities. there is much confusion due to the ability to wander. like the 2 4d neg beings from venus, were actually positive 5d wanderers when they were on 3d venus. but comes the harvest and they decide to go to 4d neg, instead of positive 4d or even back to positive 5d. so these guys weren't native to venus but became karmicly involved so deeply with the venusians that they became native and ended up going through 4th density with them. i guess this is sort of what will happen to all of us wanderers here. although i know venus is my home, i want to be here with all of you! :) so trying to figure these things out is surely fun but it is irrelevant because there is only infinity, thus we all traveled through the densities many times before and will many times after!

love and light and love,
ra ma

[MarkM]

hey mark,
see... that's where i get confused:



so i am guessing the higher self manifestation does not occur right away when we enter 6th density. so this fits perfectly with what you are saying! every sub has 7 more subs and so on, never ending. i guess this is why we have different densities. there is much confusion due to the ability to wander. like the 2 4d neg beings from venus, were actually positive 5d wanderers when they were on 3d venus. but comes the harvest and they decide to go to 4d neg, instead of positive 4d or even back to positive 5d. so these guys weren't native to venus but became karmicly involved so deeply with the venusians that they became native and ended up going through 4th density with them. i guess this is sort of what will happen to all of us wanderers here. although i know venus is my home, i want to be here with all of you! :) so trying to figure these things out is surely fun but it is irrelevant because there is only infinity, thus we all traveled through the densities many times before and will many times after!

love and light and love,
ra ma

i've pondered this quote too..


ra: i am ra. we communicate now. we, too, have our place. we are not those of the love or of the light. we are those who are of the law of one. in our vibration the polarities are harmonized, the complexities are simplified, and the paradoxes have their solution. we are one. that is our nature and our purpose.

my feeling about this instantly takes me to the following thought - how could those of ra prefer orion over the confederation, or vice versa? isn't this possibly the ultimate realization for the loo scholar? what message is being sent by ra, with the reticence to acknowledge the question? isn't the fifth density neg attacker of carla, jim and don referenced ultimately by the same unity consciousness of the ra?

being unity, perhaps the ra represent an identification with that which was never anything but love in the sense of the way things work and perfect harmonification of the plan for experiencing. mark

[Sammy]

dear sammy,
go to the "start here" tab from the main page of the website. find free books, find the law of one guide book, and then read it! he-he!

love,
ra ma

easy enough haha thank ya much.

[Jeia Ra Manuk]

mark,
yeah like i've said before, it's pretty irrelevant once you look at the fact that this will never stop, we will keep going and going and going through these densities. i think the ultimate realization for the loo scholar would be that taken this particular situation where carla was channeling, the outgoing information heavily relies on the questions being asked. that's why i like to fill in the gaps sometimes. not because i have ra sitting beside my ear telling me put this in and put that in, but because i realize that there are certain things that can be confusing and if i do know a couple of connections and a couple of concepts on which they did not go into greater detail, i could expend on them. like if it was us there with carla, we'd probably ask other questions and the whole series of books could've eventually taken a different turn. but we know for certain that the ra was here to talk about the loo and thus we must take it as important and everything else that was said is subjective. even though they might be objective beings living in a harmonized/neutral environment, we are still here and we are not experiencing what they are, so their lives and what they do with them is subjective (even though they are a collective being). i don't think they prefer any one over any one else. i think that the confederation offers an opportunity to serve and that is what 6d harmonized beings are looking for. the orion does not want to serve anyone, and would rather have everyone serving them. 6d harmonized beings try to help those on lower densities to raise their vibration, while for the orion this is not at all profitable, because they depend on order and hierarchy in the universe.

okay, so that's my early morning input! ha!
love and light,
ra ma


to sammy,
hehe, i hope you are not being sarcastic and actually found it easily :)
so, you're welcome! hope you enjoy the read- if you want to skip straight to the densities they are in the 3rd section, but we do recommend you go through the whole guide. :) it is mostly about the terminology, i am sure you are already finding these concepts close to heart, cuz your soul is aware of them just hasn't been able to put it in words!

[billybobbutterball]

addendum concerning the following part of ra ma's earlier post:

snip ...there is much confusion due to the ability to wander. like the 2 4d neg beings from venus, were actually positive 5d wanderers when they were on 3d venus. but comes the harvest and they decide to go to 4d neg, instead of positive 4d or even back to positive 5d. so these guys weren't native to venus but became karmicly involved so deeply with the venusians that they became native and ended up going through 4th density with them. i guess this is sort of what will happen to all of us wanderers here. although i know venus is my home, i want to be here with all of you! so trying to figure these things out is surely fun but it is irrelevant because there is only infinity, thus we all traveled through the densities many times before and will many times after!

love and light and love,
ra ma .....unsnip

bbb wants to add a little meat to this story

the two positive entities answered a call for help coming from factions on venus that were not responding warmly to the general idea of love/light...they were bogged down by all this lovey dovey business. well, our heroic two landed in the middle of all this spiritual mess with the best of intentions. but things didn't go love and light. ("no good deed goes unpunished" thing)

the two ended up being total dictators -- something on the order of a venusian version of genkis combined with kublai khan... lots of planetary spilling of blood and stuff.

after death they were both shocked to realize they were stuck in the negative realm...like flies on rotten fly paper! they didn't want this!! after most tremendous efforts they escaped from the usually inescapable! :d

the ra closes this heavy spiritual drama with the welcome fact that after breaking the negative bonds they became joined with the ra.

thank you for reading! billybobbutterball

[Jeia Ra Manuk]

i guess it was poor of me to say "they decide[ed] to go to 4d neg." kind of distorts my whole reality, hearing that the native venusians weren't so acceptive of the love&light, venus being a representation of love by our earthly symbolism. well it's good to hear that it was coming from certain factions and not all the venusians. i guess it was the same deal as we had on earth during the time of atlantis. makes sense too, cuz that's exactly why i came here in the first place :)

no one is doomed, everyone finds there way to the light/love eventually. i guess that's the big meaning behind ra sharing this story with us!

love and light and love,
ra ma

[Sammy]

so i read the guide, it seems allitle complicated. to help me understand the desnities allitle better could you tell me an example of the highest density creature?

from my own observations, i have noticed that humans are the best at connecting mind and body through our consciousness. we would essentialy be right between our bodies urges and our minds thoughts.

[FooSnik]

another snowball to add to the avalanche of documented proof that torsion field energy is real and can be directed/manipulated. this guy is documented and accredited with performing "miracles" in healing people's maladies when traditional medicine could do nothing.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmnonjku0su

[Jeia Ra Manuk]

i feel like i answered this one before... strange. the highest/lowest density would be the gateway density, that is whatever happens after the 7th. i can't give you an example of a 7th density being, because we don't know of any. they do not interact with lower and are only reaching for the white light which is the gateway density. an example of a 6th density being would be the ra!


so i read the guide, it seems allitle complicated. to help me understand the desnities allitle better could you tell me an example of the highest density creature?

from my own observations, i have noticed that humans are the best at connecting mind and body through our consciousness. we would essentialy be right between our bodies urges and our minds thoughts.

[Jeia Ra Manuk]

thank you foosnik, for the video you provided.
i am very happy for the man in the video! and all that with just a touch of the doctor's hands! amazing!

love and light,
ra ma

[FooSnik]

sure thing manuk! this shift is really happening! is performing "miracles". people will actually see and feel changes happening in their body happening over the course of about 20 mins that he works on them.

when he was younger he saw a ball of light that flew into him, then he went blind for a few minutes. possibly a walk in? his work has been documented by scientists and doctors.

amazing!!!!

[Jeia Ra Manuk]

wow, awesome stuff! maybe he can help me with my stretch marks :)
about the walk-in, that might be the case. now that you've said that it kind of freaked me out, because my sister had a ball like that go inside of her when she was small, although her personality did not change at all, so i don't think these balls always represent walk-ins. i remember working with these balls of light when i was in higher densities. very, very interesting subject. i always though of them as energy clusters. it could be filled with emotional energy or it could actually contain within itself energy of a spirit, thus the walk-in connection.

love,
ra ma


sure thing manuk! this shift is really happening! is performing "miracles". people will actually see and feel changes happening in their body happening over the course of about 20 mins that he works on them.

when he was younger he saw a ball of light that flew into him, then he went blind for a few minutes. possibly a walk in? his work has been documented by scientists and doctors.

amazing!!!!

[FooSnik]

i am inclined to think that they are souls. i heard of stories of people changing into a light body or rainbow body which was described as a ball of light. i believe it could also just be another piece of your own soul.

[Jeia Ra Manuk]

but then again, everything is just another piece of your/our soul! :)


i am inclined to think that they are souls. i heard of stories of people changing into a light body or rainbow body which was described as a ball of light. i believe it could also just be another piece of your own soul.

[Sammy]

i feel like i answered this one before... strange. the highest/lowest density would be the gateway density, that is whatever happens after the 7th. i can't give you an example of a 7th density being, because we don't know of any. they do not interact with lower and are only reaching for the white light which is the gateway density. an example of a 6th density being would be the ra!

yes you did answer this question allready and thank you again for doing so. you had answered me in im though so my question was still posted hehe.

[Jeia Ra Manuk]

ha, i am sorry dear friend,
i have written so much in the past month that i really loose track, and i keep coming back to certain threads to make sure i did not miss anyone's input!

love and light,
ra ma

[Sammy]

ha, i am sorry dear friend,
i have written so much in the past month that i really loose track, and i keep coming back to certain threads to make sure i did not miss anyone's input!

love and light,
ra ma

np and your doing fine! :)

[scottki]

bbb wants to add a little meat to this story

the two positive entities answered a call for help coming from factions on venus that were not responding warmly to the general idea of love/light...they were bogged down by all this lovey dovey business. well, our heroic two landed in the middle of all this spiritual mess with the best of intentions. but things didn't go love and light. ("no good deed goes unpunished" thing)

the two ended up being total dictators -- something on the order of a venusian version of genkis combined with kublai khan... lots of planetary spilling of blood and stuff.

after death they were both shocked to realize they were stuck in the negative realm...like flies on rotten fly paper! they didn't want this!! after most tremendous efforts they escaped from the usually inescapable!

the ra closes this heavy spiritual drama with the welcome fact that after breaking the negative bonds they became joined with the ra.

thank you for reading! billybobbutterball

last edited by billybobbutterball; 09-01-2011 at 12:10 am.

that is fascinating bbb! where did you read that, book iv? and how did they escape negative time?

[scottki]

so i read the guide, it seems allitle complicated. to help me understand the desnities allitle better could you tell me an example of the highest density creature? .

in my understanding, the creator is the highest density creature as the higher one goes in the densities the more collective consciousness the beings become until the being encompasses everything and everyone. but as i think ra said, no one knows that it stops at the creator.

[Jeia Ra Manuk]

remember that entering the 7th density we become the most collected with one another and loose all ability to think separately... so we become completely one in 7th density... and then separate again going through the gateway density and into the 1st density... but the 1st density, the separation only occurs on the chemical level... the consciousness is still single... but we are not aware... for it is the rebirth of our oneness... and we are like a child... not remembering how we were born... and not remembering our early years/1st density... then in 2nd density we are but young children... gaining awareness! and so on!

love and light,
ra ma

[billybobbutterball]

that is fascinating bbb! where did you read that, book iv? and how did they escape negative time?

dear scottki, been awhile since i searched llresearch and i had a r-e-a-l-l-y hard time finding the episode! obviously i need re-training, big time!
it is indeed book iv, session 89 page 113. i got some of it copied

(bbb- the two entities were from early 5th positive. they were male/female teaming together. they answered a plaintive call from venus...they made the big mistake of merely desiring to be of service...they should have been more specific! but they did provide a needed service in the long run, the two were indeed effective together -- but as blood-thirsty despots waging religious war with great efficiency...etc)

###questioner: i just can’t understand why they would think that a planet that
was doing as well as the population of venus was doing as far as i can tell
would need wanderers in order to help with the harvest. was this at an
early point in ra’s third density?
ra: i am ra. it was in the second cycle of 25,000 years. we had a harvest of
six out of thirty, to speak roughly, of millions of mind/body/spirit
complexes, less than 20%. wanderers are always drawn to whatever
percentage has not yet polarized, and come when there is a call. there was a
call from those which were not positively polarized as such but which
sought to be positively polarized and sought wisdom, feeling the
compassion of other-selves upon venus as complacent or pitying towards
other-selves.
questioner: what was the attitude of these two entities after they graduated
into-fourth density negative and, the veil being removed, realized that they
had switched polarities?
ra: i am ra. they were disconcerted.
questioner: then did they continue striving to polarize negatively for a
fifth-density harvest in the negative sense or did they do something else?
ra: i am ra. they worked with the fourth-density negative for some period
until, within this framework, the previously learned patterns of the self had
been recaptured and the polarity was, with great effort, reversed. there was
a great deal of fourth-density positive work then to be retraced.
questioner: how is ra aware of this information? by what means does ra
know the precise orientation of these two entities in fourth-density negative, ###

bbb again...they joined together with the ra for a period of time.

please do check it out on site...best, bbb

[billybobbutterball]

in my understanding, the creator is the highest density creature as the higher one goes in the densities the more collective consciousness the beings become until the being encompasses everything and everyone. but as i think ra said, no one knows that it stops at the creator.

hi, i would bite my tongue real hard before referring to theone creator as a...."creature"? i don't know if you could even think of itultimate logi as an "entity" in that it is all that is.

sermon time.:eek:(not required reading) the view of god in orthodox christianity is that the creator is separated absolutely from the creation...a vast, bottomless gulf between the two; jesus serves as the bridge between. that describes the "transcendental" aspect of god. however, the bible states that god is both immanent and transcendent!...so something is out of whack here... there are three main views...utterly transcendent, utterly immanent ="pantheism" or both blended, = "panentheism," the orthodox view is that the creation was ex nihilo (out of nuttin' ..which makes no sense to me) i would think that the creation came out of the essence of the one creator. we are not stand-alone little misbehaving toys...
the creation is alive! our being consists of a teeny spark of the logos, sent out on a mission to explore the holographic creation -- every last crook, cranny and wrinkle of it.

in hinduism and the shicks (sp) the logos is thought of as the unknowable, unimaginable brahmin.

i have read in several places that when one pushes the limits looking into this mystery there is always something more lurking in the dark just a bit beyond vision/comprehension.

thank you!... please put a penny in the poor box on your way off the post.:o

[scottki]

thanks bbb. i will check book 4. all the tarot stuff put me off that book! :o

their story would make a great book, do you know if q'uo etc gave more details?

re the term 'creature', sammy used the term in a question so i obliged! i am sure the creator will not mind! :)

[Jeia Ra Manuk]

the creation is alive! our being consists of a teeny spark of the logos, sent out on a mission to explore the holographic creation -- every last crook, cranny and wrinkle of it.

we are all individual cells of the body of the creator... although we change frequently and are constantly reborn... the essence remains that we are all but fractions of a whole! and only when we stand together and understand the importance of both singularity and multiplicity will we reunite to be able to think on the collective level... thus being the sparks of white light that we are we will eventually reach the final wall, and bounce back into the origin!

love,
ra ma

[MarkM]

we are all individual cells of the body of the creator... although we change frequently and are constantly reborn... the essence remains that we are all but fractions of a whole! and only when we stand together and understand the importance of both singularity and multiplicity will we reunite to be able to think on the collective level... thus being the sparks of white light that we are we will eventually reach the final wall, and bounce back into the origin!

love,
ra ma

nice explanation, liz...

i feel that rather than being a cell in the body, so to speak, we are the whole body. i like to think of a holographic photo-plate - if you break it up into many fragments, each fragment does not contain a fragment of the original holographic image, it holds the entire image in totality and with full resolution. to me, this speaks to the essence!

this helps me understand that every being is precious beyond measure, as this indicates to me that there is really only one being.

seeing another person is like seeing myself in an old video - that's me in another time and place, doing different things... not a separate person. i might wince at watching my youthful folly on film, but accept and forgive that youngster, as he grew to be me as i am today, here and now. i think that beyond the distortions of this place, we are all animated by the same full and undivided infinite creator, all of us being of the same real identity at heart, only separated by what we are doing in our respective here and now scenarios. mark

[billybobbutterball]

nice explanation, liz...

i feel that rather than being a cell in the body, so to speak, we are the whole body. i like to think of a holographic photo-plate - if you break it up into many fragments, each fragment does not contain a fragment of the original holographic image, it holds the entire image in totality and with full resolution. to me, this speaks to the essence!

this helps me understand that every being is precious beyond measure, as this indicates to me that there is really only one being.

seeing another person is like seeing myself in an old video - that's me in another time and place, doing different things... not a separate person. i might wince at watching my youthful folly on film, but accept and forgive that youngster, as he grew to be me as i am today, here and now. i think that beyond the distortions of this place, we are all animated by the same full and undivided infinite creator, all of us being of the same real identity at heart, only separated by what we are doing in our respective here and now scenarios. mark

i certainly agree with mark. but as he pointed out he is obviously a younger version of myself so understandably lacks the comprehension of certain subtleties that come with age. (sorry! couldn't resist that opening..just kidding) a thought that i found helpful to me goes something like this: "the cosmic plan is that understanding/wisdom comes from the experiences of diversity within unity."

so the idea of separation is only apparent, not real. billybob

[Jeia Ra Manuk]

mark and bill,

well i was just being analytic. i think if we are going to use this analogy and look at things from a biological point of view... then we are not only one body... but all of us came out of one single cell...
i always had a problem with the darwinian model (way from the past :p), although i have no problem, but only respect, for charles, because if it wasn't for his hard work we would not have such a rich fossil collection (not to mention a change in creation philosophy of the western modern world). my problem, as many other scientists and amateurs point out, is all the missing links of evolution... for me, the fact that cell division transformed to cell fertilization for evolutionary and survivor benefits, does not explain when and how exactly the switch occurred. we all began as one cell dividing into two, and so on... then the switch... and from then it was two cells that create new life... obviously not far all creatures... but we are focusing on humans. so it is rather backwards... and it is our kids that contain both parents within the singular being... this is why i always say that one can always make two and two can always make one...
thus the solution/resolution is that using such analogies is rather pointless if we don't know how we really got here :)
the past is both, behind and ahead of us... we observe the furthest regions of the universe as they were billions of years ago, yet here on earth we are not able to observe the past in such a matter...
this is why i keep pushing forward the idea of "the ripple effect." if we would be going from 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 and then again 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, then we would be following a linear pattern... when obviously it all happens in a contraction/expansion matter, and thus the ripple effect and thus the water like attributes that the source field/force contains.

ha, sorry boys, i went on :)

love and light,
liz

[Jeia Ra Manuk]

ps: it's the return to oneness, and not a linear journey of separate being wanting to become one being... that's why i said: being the sparks of white light that we are we will eventually reach the final wall, and bounce back into the origin.

the final wall being the 4th density! and then back we go! expansion/contraction!

o my god, i'd like my nobel prize now, please! :o

[billybobbutterball]

dear eliz

concerning a remark you made in an earlier post that needs to be set straight... note: mark and i are not mere "boy's" we un's are "guys!" a little respect where it is due! is that too much to ask?

ok, that being settled, i came away with some little nudges that i would apply here and there to your description of life, darwin, etc. et all.

first, it seems important to me to keep in mind that "we" are not 2nd density bodies with a soul...we are immortal souls borrowing a temp. bod construction.(albeit, most often suffering a "hangover" from the experiences)

second point. human bodies have been bio-engineered by intelligent sub-logi.

third, darwinian evolution processes do have an interesting role, but i suspect it is largely secondary. (i can picture some sub-logi bio expert peeps having a lot of fun working together in adding modifications to their assigned bestiaries ...think of the challenge in designing a new and more formidable tyrannosaurus rex to handle your rival's super-enlarged big-hunk brontosaurus!

fourth; addressing the missing links...explainable by the wiping out of the old and introducing updates via the cyclic cosmic dna-info-infusing cosmic radiation principle that david is so excited about? seems a possible scenario?

and most importantly the fifth factor! whoops! phone ringing. gotta go!

billiebobbiebutter.......ahhh:mad: yours sincerely, billybobbutterballguy

:o love, bill

[Jeia Ra Manuk]

first of all bill, what's the difference between guys and boys? i might not be aware due to cultural differences. :)

second of all alright, but that model is suggesting mass extinction... well if they were devoured by those that are stronger wouldn't we still be pushing off of the darwinian model?

what about the plan? the design of the logos...
if we follow what ra says we should be believing in spontaneous evolution. because there is much variety of species on the second density including all the plant species and only one species on on the 3rd density that are native to earth. and if we have this form for 75,000 years then we are surely not from africa and we are surely not 200,000 years old... i mean our bodies were... but that doesn't mean the mind was active!:p

love and light,
one very tired liz

no invention is unique it is always a part of a failure of another!

[billybobbutterball]

gotta write something outside the quoted text to qualify the post...but wanted to put my learned response next to liz's comments...okay, that should do it...


first of all bill, what's the difference between guys and boys? i might not be aware due to cultural differences.

## liz...there is in fact a world-wide recognized difference -- there is by several orders of magnitude a difference between mommy's boy and that of a tough-talking, hairy-armed, biceps-flexing, testosterone fueled, "guy" :eek:

second of all alright, but that model is suggesting mass extinction... well if they were devoured by those that are stronger wouldn't we still be pushing off of the darwinian model?

## well, what's wrong with "mass extinction"? (oh...) darwin stuff figures in and is an undeniable feature of the upward onward march.

what about the plan? the design of the logos...
if we follow what ra says we should be believing in spontaneous evolution. because there is much variety of species on the second density including all the plant species and only one species on on the 3rd density that are native to earth. and if we have this form for 75,000 years then we are surely not from africa and we are surely not 200,000 years old... i mean our bodies were... but that doesn't mean the mind was active!:p

##the entire cosmos is conscious,intelligent/aware...so exactly what specific quality does the term "spontaneous" imply? something out of nothing? the meaning varies according to one's world view. and i don't buy that actually occurring even in quantum mechanics. as i understand it the soul is introduced into the vessel --not vise versa...the body does have an indwelling 2nd density factor that must be blended in...and which sometimes can over-influence the incoming soul-stuff -- which can result in a very "sour" life experience. many examples of this imbalance found in the works of michael newton (destiny of souls) and dolores cannon (4 vl convoluted universe)

## i'm seriously confused by much of this heady stuff. i'm not even sure of what i wrote so confident-ally above....especially about that "guy" stuff nonsense. ; ) best, billybob

love and light,
one very tired liz

no invention is unique it is always a part of a failure of another!

[Jeia Ra Manuk]

## liz...there is in fact a world-wide recognized difference -- there is by several orders of magnitude a difference between mommy's boy and that of a tough-talking, hairy-armed, biceps-flexing, testosterone fueled, "guy"

well what if for me, the word 'boys' means not mommy's boy but a grown man who is still keeping his inner child well and alive?


## well, what's wrong with "mass extinction"? (oh...) darwin stuff figures in and is an undeniable feature of the upward onward march.

there is nothing wrong with mass extinction and we obviously develop ideas from ideas that came before us... it's just the model you provided does not work on all levels... there is a depth to this... i can go into details... but you know me and details!


the entire cosmos is conscious,intelligent/aware...so exactly what specific quality does the term "spontaneous" imply? something out of nothing? the meaning varies according to one's world view. and i don't buy that actually occurring even in quantum mechanics. as i understand it the soul is introduced into the vessel --not vise versa...the body does have an indwelling 2nd density factor that must be blended in...and which sometimes can over-influence the incoming soul-stuff -- which can result in a very "sour" life experience. many examples of this imbalance found in the works of michael newton (destiny of souls) and dolores cannon (4 vl convoluted universe)

well that's exactly what i was pointing to... body first then mind... first is spirit of course, then body and then the mind... so first the spark of creation that will be unchangeable through out our whole experience, then the body and then the awakening of the mind! then we loose the body when we are done learning through it! and back and forth we go! :)


## i'm seriously confused by much of this heady stuff. i'm not even sure of what i wrote so confident-ally above....especially about that "guy" stuff nonsense. ; ) best, billybob
blah blah blah, i know you ;) you're just saying that to hear me say: "o no bill, everything you say makes perfect sense and you are so smart and handsome and wonderful."

*runs away giggling*

love,
liz

[scottki]

concerning a remark you made in an earlier post that needs to be set straight... note: mark and i are not mere "boy's" we un's are "guys!" a little respect where it is due! is that too much to ask?

funny. rugby players, not those ponses who wear pads and helmets :d , call themselves rugby boys! i know you are pulling our leg though billybob. humour is the best remedy for life is it not?

[Jeia Ra Manuk]

scott and all,
well of course, but laughter also gives you wrinkles! lol! :)

[Denisey]

i love the video. i have the idea of the 'precession of the equinox' opening up the 'book of revelation'. one can situate the 'churches' or 'time periods' around the 25,920 years or so that are actually split into 8 periods-with one left open as the capital 'g' is left open.

[Haydia]

i want to build a pyramid about 5' tall, just large enough to sit in, but i am not a 'math' person and can't figure out what to use for the dimensions of the base... or of any of it...can anyone help me?

[Kimon]

Could please someone tell me if / where I can find a transcription of the Source Field Investigations video? Thank you in advance.