Sleep paralysis

[chesheyer]

About 3 months ago every night I would go through this(sleep
paralysis), and man I tell you I was scared, I'd hear vibrations,
voices, strange sounds, I could feel it come over me, especially the
fluttering type feeling in my head. It scared me because I felt I had
no control over my body or even worse like I was being possesed. I'd
try to move a pinky... something, but the harder I tried the harder
it was to break. Some of my worst expereinces, I've woken up
screaming help me, but it was not my voice during the paralysis,but
evil sounding voice. I tried so much to stop it from happening, I had
my boyfriend hold me during the night and it still happened. I talked
to many people asking them what I was going through, one person said
it was demon and I should say a certain prayer another said, it is
all in my head a manifestation I create with my fear, I took this
advice and don't go through it as much. I use this advice when I see
scary thing and they seem to diminish. Another outlook a person gave
me was that my soul wants to travel and is so ready to go that it
happens to early when I am conscious. I told the same advice giver
that I've had a similar positive experience in which, I was laying in
my moms bed, watching as my mom helped my dad get ready for work, my
mom had a picture of Jesus on the opposite wall (the sacred heart)I
would glance at every once in a while, then I felt the most profound
feeling positive feeling I had ever had, this uplifting, peaceful,
free, cool refreshing, feeling. IT FELT AS THOUGH I WERE BEING
LIFTED. I had a smile on my face, but I felt I wasn't in control of
it. I remember at the time being only 11, I was scared and ran to my
mom, but didn't really tell anyone until later. The advice giver
showed me that the two experiences are the same, just the way I
percieved them caused them to seem total opposites, I knew she was
right. Any of you had similar experiences? P.S. Much more experiences
to come:)
Sweet Dreams!
-Tiffany

[Detroyt@...]

I never have experienced any sleep paralysis like you described Tiffani
but I have had nights where I would seem to get a tightness in my chest
like I was having trouble breathing or catching my breath but as I tried
to calm my breathing and meditate, I would beginning zoning out like I
was getting smaller or the walls were getting farther away and usually I
fall asleep and don't think much of it but reading your post made me
think of it again..My dreams are a different story, I have started a
dream journal but some of my dreams I believe I am creating with my own
imagination by reading on ascension and the thoughts just work their way
to my subconscious..
I had a dream where I was walking (floating really) away from something
and there was a lot of people in blue uniforms outfits heading in the
opposite direction in a great hurry..When I wrote it down I was thinking
maybe it meant something had happened like a serious terrorist attack
and all these people were rushing to it (does that mean I was moving
away from it like I was guilty?) but that was after reading, I believe
Mawk's post, about trouble in ChyTown, plus David's, you know so did
reading about it make me dream of it? I love the water and have had
dreams since a child of me swimming in the skies, not flying or
floating, actually swimming..But I always figured it was cuz I liked the
lakes, the ocean, the little muddle hole as a kid catching crawdads, and
just brought that to my dreams..

The group often times speaks of synchronous events, would these events
for me the last week fall in the same category-- The mailman delivers
the mail, grass is wet so I decide to slip on my boots sitting by the
door..I slip the first one on (bare footed) and as i grab my second one
something makes me stop and shake the boot (I never do this even though
I live in florida and should) it's inside my house next to the door,
well lo and behold a big damn wolf spider comes scooting out..Now I
really don't have arachnophobia, okay I screamed like a woman, well
maybe I do have arachnophobia..
What made me bang my shoe out? I never do it, most the time my sandals
are also by the door and I would just slip them on..I mean the spider
wouldn't of hurt me but the idea of squashing a big hairy wolf spider
between my toes just gives me the heebeejeebies.
Well I was pondering this on my way to work a few days later and I was
going 55 MPH in a 35 MPH, which most people do down this road, but I get
this thought that said it wasn't worth the ticket if a cop pulled me
over so I slowed down and I'll be damn if there wasn't a cop sitting 3
blocks away on a side road just clocking cars..I say sheesh that was odd
and I got another feeling I wasn't done with the cops for the day..So I
drove on my best behavior =)
The guy I work with calls my cell phone and says he has to rent a
machine for the job we got to do and he would just meet me at the
site..I get to the job get my tools together and start working, wasn't
even into it for 5 minutes and two cops coming strolling into where I'm
working and start quizzing me, asking for my ID and all this and that,
insulting my intelligence and just being rude like I had done something
wrong, I'm at work installing new floors at this car dealership, anyways
they were after the guy I was working with for probation violation but
the way they were acting like he committed murder--which they told the
dealership and we lost the job and the company we were sub contracting
out of let us go but I knew something was going to happen with the cops
before it actually did which was what surprised me the most..I don't
know if I am just paying more attention to my inner self or my
meditation is paying off..Another example, a week or so ago I took my 3
dogs out running in a seclude forest area so I didn't have to keep them
on their leashes..
Anyways I start walking through the more woodsy area and had the thought
of a snake biting my dog..Not 5 minutes after the thought and I was
working my way back towards the road, in the ditch right before the
street, a 4 or 5 foot snake took off about a few steps ahead of me, of
course I jumped backwards like a banshee and two of my dogs stopped in
their tracks when I jumped (guess they figured if I was scared they
better be too) but my little miniature cocker spaniel attacks it..I
holler (with lots of bass in my voice as if yelling to change the
outcome of her getting bit) for her to come and she listened and the
snake took off up a tree..(ever see a snake climb a tree, damn, it was
up it quick)
Maybe I should think of moving from Florida cuz I got a scorpion story
that is better then all that above, but I am rambling and will save your
poor eyes some by ending it short..

In my prayers since a child I prayed for wisdom, not to be rich or
famous, just to be wise..I know a lot about worthless trivial stuff, can
you say sport addict =)
but now with the internet I feel my wisdom has grown ten fold but in my
quest for knowledge am I in service to self? I want to be wise so I can
be a service to others and to help others but in my quest for knowledge
I spend most my free time online reading to quench my thirst of
knowledge..So with working and being online I neglect my friends who I
might see once a month, hurts my chances of having a relationship cuz
who has time for that, LoL..
So am I being more of a service to self cuz I seek wisdom? Plato and
Socrates say "know thyself" but is that the same as service to self?
Time is getting short, should I learn as much as I can now and when the
time comes I can bring it into practice (which is what I feel--when the
time comes I will be prepared) or do I value my time now and spread my
light and love to those I might interact with on a daily basis?


I guess next week a lot of people will be at the seminar listening to
David and friends speak, I wish you all a safe trip
and I send my light and love to the group..I can't believe I will be
less then 13 hours away and can't make it =(

Hmm, even though this is a long post I feel much better getting it off
my chest as I have wanted to share my experiences with somebody/
everybody..

Peace-
Troy


If anybody is curious the
Quodomass MFR in my email addy is from an online medieval game I RP in
and that's my alt in game..
I grew up near Detroit as a kid so hence the DeTroyt@... (/group/asc2k/post?postID=nlaFECckq7FLpQM2pH9n3JVDrZAWUTyAZDLg_i eiabpVRKNSH0HQUJrrMeR--wzfEnznXIEJHw).

Bless are those that can laugh at themselves, for they will always be
amused..

[Mawk]

Hi Troy and Tiffany,

Thank you so much for sharing your experiences.

First with respect to Tiffany's post I would suggest they are the classic
symptoms of an out of body experience. I also went through a series of these
experiences some 5 to 7 years ago. I had no idea what was happening but it
scared the hell out of me. One explanation that makes sense to me now is
what Robert Bruce terms the mind split. What he suggests is that your astral
body is still out of your physical body but that you are only aware of your
physical body and the presents of something else. The something else is also
you. I think this becomes evident when your astral body becomes active and
you are aware this is happening. Your greatest enemy here is fear. My best
advise is to try and come to terms with the fear. Try smoothing the energy
and circulating it through your body if you get the sleep paralysis again.
You will be surprised how you can control it with your conscious intent once
you put fear in the background. Also once you start doing this you forget
about the fear, win, win hopefully. Robert has forums dedicated to these
problems if you go to his web site. I have posted the links before on this
list. If you can't find them e-mail me privately and I will send them to
you. I am a bit self conscious of using David's site for promoting someone
else site on a regular basis without his consent. Now Tiffany, on the bright
side, if my experience is anything to go by, once the fear is conquered the
energy sensations become more refined and even pleasurable. I actually woke
this morning with these sensations purring deeply to my core. I love it and
what it tells me is that the dream I recalled was an OBE dream. Once you get
past this hurdle you will be amazed at your progress.

Now Troy it seems you are going great guns. Well done mate. Your heart seems
in the right place to me from what you say. If your intent is for the
greater good you will be surprised how much this does. Do a search for the
e-book "The Only Planet of Choice" and you will see what I mean. In my view
it is important to develop both experience to go with the philosophy. You
are doing that now which I think is excellent. By sharing your experience to
the forum you are now moving into the next phase of developing you
confidence to share what you know. If you are like me you will start finding
the people with which you can share your ideas. You will know this
intuitively. Well done and I for one look forward to following you progress.

Cheers,

Mawk

[Tiffani Boswell]

Really enjoyed your post Troy.
I used to pray for just wisdom too...still do.

I have similar experiences just "knowing" something might happen...the
trouble i have is discerning whether it really will or not...and whether to
actually listen to it?
does that make sense.

sometimes i might get a feeling to do something a strong feeling....and then
if i don't do it i see why a few minutes or hours later why i should
have...or if i do do it i see that it wasn't just a weird quirk, their was a
problem i prevented or something.

but then there ar the days i feel like an obsessive compulsive girl...you
know like i will get the same sort of feeling and do something and then
nothing. so i feel like say one day when i got this huge instinct to take a
cd out of my player when i parked the car. no reason beyond that...and i did
and a few minutes later a friend parked the car and (long story) but the
song in the player would have cause an argument...and I had NO idea that
person was going to drive my car.

so what about when i get the feeling to put a bottle back i just got and
pick another one...that is borderline OC to me sometimes i laugh...but i
feel like i need to know the difference...or maybe there isn't really one
and i just need to learn to listen....

anyway...

well about sleep paralysis....this is a weird story...
on my honeymoon we were in Fiji...i guess it was the first night we got
there...and i wake up and can't scream, feel like something is keeping me
from screaming....and moving...i am trying so hard to reach for my husband
to wake him up and can't move....and i see his face contort into this really
mean evil face ( but it is superimposed over his sleeping face) and i don't
remember now how i got from that to actually scream...little squeaks were
coming out...well finally when i did i see this evil face man get up from
over? on? in? my husband and walk to the end of the bed turn and look at me
and smile evily and step down and walk out....i wake my husband up and tell
him....ick gives me chills.

ok so Mawk...hope this was not part of "me"

and i saw this thing one more time... a year or so later i was having a
dream ( i knew i was dreaming) looking from my bed into the other room....i
knew i was dreaming in my bed at that moment but it was as if the other room
was like a movie screen of the other room superimposed over the other
room......and my dad and this "evil matt man" walk in and it is like a dream
where "they shouldn't be able to see me" and "it" turns and looks at me
again and does the same smirk that look that he knows i was dreaming and
watching him at that moment...my dad was oblivious....and then i wake up...

anyway those are my weird sleep scared stiff dreams. any ideas?
tiffani
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> I never have experienced any sleep paralysis like you described Tiffani
> but I have had nights where I would seem to get a tightness in my chest
> like I was having trouble breathing or catching my breath but as I tried
> to calm my breathing and meditate, I would beginning zoning out like I
> was getting smaller or the walls were getting farther away and usually I
> fall asleep and don't think much of it but reading your post made me
> think of it again..My dreams are a different story, I have started a
> dream journal but some of my dreams I believe I am creating with my own
> imagination by reading on ascension and the thoughts just work their way
> to my subconscious..
> I had a dream where I was walking (floating really) away from something
> and there was a lot of people in blue uniforms outfits heading in the
> opposite direction in a great hurry..When I wrote it down I was thinking
> maybe it meant something had happened like a serious terrorist attack
> and all these people were rushing to it (does that mean I was moving
> away from it like I was guilty?) but that was after reading, I believe
> Mawk's post, about trouble in ChyTown, plus David's, you know so did
> reading about it make me dream of it? I love the water and have had
> dreams since a child of me swimming in the skies, not flying or
> floating, actually swimming..But I always figured it was cuz I liked the
> lakes, the ocean, the little muddle hole as a kid catching crawdads, and
> just brought that to my dreams..
>
> The group often times speaks of synchronous events, would these events
> for me the last week fall in the same category-- The mailman delivers
> the mail, grass is wet so I decide to slip on my boots sitting by the
> door..I slip the first one on (bare footed) and as i grab my second one
> something makes me stop and shake the boot (I never do this even though
> I live in florida and should) it's inside my house next to the door,
> well lo and behold a big damn wolf spider comes scooting out..Now I
> really don't have arachnophobia, okay I screamed like a woman, well
> maybe I do have arachnophobia..
> What made me bang my shoe out? I never do it, most the time my sandals
> are also by the door and I would just slip them on..I mean the spider
> wouldn't of hurt me but the idea of squashing a big hairy wolf spider
> between my toes just gives me the heebeejeebies.
> Well I was pondering this on my way to work a few days later and I was
> going 55 MPH in a 35 MPH, which most people do down this road, but I get
> this thought that said it wasn't worth the ticket if a cop pulled me
> over so I slowed down and I'll be damn if there wasn't a cop sitting 3
> blocks away on a side road just clocking cars..I say sheesh that was odd
> and I got another feeling I wasn't done with the cops for the day..So I
> drove on my best behavior =)
> The guy I work with calls my cell phone and says he has to rent a
> machine for the job we got to do and he would just meet me at the
> site..I get to the job get my tools together and start working, wasn't
> even into it for 5 minutes and two cops coming strolling into where I'm
> working and start quizzing me, asking for my ID and all this and that,
> insulting my intelligence and just being rude like I had done something
> wrong, I'm at work installing new floors at this car dealership, anyways
> they were after the guy I was working with for probation violation but
> the way they were acting like he committed murder--which they told the
> dealership and we lost the job and the company we were sub contracting
> out of let us go but I knew something was going to happen with the cops
> before it actually did which was what surprised me the most..I don't
> know if I am just paying more attention to my inner self or my
> meditation is paying off..Another example, a week or so ago I took my 3
> dogs out running in a seclude forest area so I didn't have to keep them
> on their leashes..
> Anyways I start walking through the more woodsy area and had the thought
> of a snake biting my dog..Not 5 minutes after the thought and I was
> working my way back towards the road, in the ditch right before the
> street, a 4 or 5 foot snake took off about a few steps ahead of me, of
> course I jumped backwards like a banshee and two of my dogs stopped in
> their tracks when I jumped (guess they figured if I was scared they
> better be too) but my little miniature cocker spaniel attacks it..I
> holler (with lots of bass in my voice as if yelling to change the
> outcome of her getting bit) for her to come and she listened and the
> snake took off up a tree..(ever see a snake climb a tree, damn, it was
> up it quick)
> Maybe I should think of moving from Florida cuz I got a scorpion story
> that is better then all that above, but I am rambling and will save your
> poor eyes some by ending it short..
>
> In my prayers since a child I prayed for wisdom, not to be rich or
> famous, just to be wise..I know a lot about worthless trivial stuff, can
> you say sport addict =)
> but now with the internet I feel my wisdom has grown ten fold but in my
> quest for knowledge am I in service to self? I want to be wise so I can
> be a service to others and to help others but in my quest for knowledge
> I spend most my free time online reading to quench my thirst of
> knowledge..So with working and being online I neglect my friends who I
> might see once a month, hurts my chances of having a relationship cuz
> who has time for that, LoL..
> So am I being more of a service to self cuz I seek wisdom? Plato and
> Socrates say "know thyself" but is that the same as service to self?
> Time is getting short, should I learn as much as I can now and when the
> time comes I can bring it into practice (which is what I feel--when the
> time comes I will be prepared) or do I value my time now and spread my
> light and love to those I might interact with on a daily basis?
>
>
> I guess next week a lot of people will be at the seminar listening to
> David and friends speak, I wish you all a safe trip
> and I send my light and love to the group..I can't believe I will be
> less then 13 hours away and can't make it =(
>
> Hmm, even though this is a long post I feel much better getting it off
> my chest as I have wanted to share my experiences with somebody/
> everybody..
>
> Peace-
> Troy
>
>
> If anybody is curious the
> Quodomass MFR in my email addy is from an online medieval game I RP in
> and that's my alt in game..
> I grew up near Detroit as a kid so hence the DeTroyt@... (/group/asc2k/post?postID=daXyLm_3xrpwA7282UvF_hRan2O10OLWxtbXpI bMhVZGoMxRmrsYCR58-x3E3PpYGOiSclacQE9vnA8).
>
> Bless are those that can laugh at themselves, for they will always be
> amused..
>
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[zhing311]

> So am I being more of a service to self cuz I seek wisdom? Plato and
> Socrates say "know thyself" but is that the same as service to self?

Ironically, I think knowing thy self might be the ulitimate service
to OTHERS. Thats where it all starts.

Also, I would like to here the scorpion story if no one else minds.

Also, who is the hoser who asked everyone if they watched the x-files
and then never said what it was about?

Laita

[Mawk]

Hi Tiffini,

I think the best way I can maybe help you is to share another recent
experience of mine. From this I will then expand on some other
possibilities. Finally I will suggest some possible actions you might be
able to take if it occurs again.

1/11/2001 230pm. I woke up and was instantly clear headed which is unusual
for me. Before I opened my eyes though I was getting an image just like
watching a black and white movie. I am in full control in this movie though
and I seem to be in my garden. I then move through my back gate into the
paddock behind. I notice an old tank and an unusual tower made out of a
drainage pipe. The tower is about 8 feet high. I peer over and look down
into the pipe. It is full of soil to about one foot from the top were there
are also several red bricks (only colour items in my dream). I then open my
eyes.

As soon as I got out of bed I went straight out the back gate to see if what
I had seen in my lucid dream was there. I had never climbed up and looked
into this pipe before. I was really pleased to find the red bricks lying
exactly were I had seen them in the vision. These bricks are not visible
from the ground. You have to climb up the pipe or glide over it in an OBE to
know they are there. While I have had many, what I consider to be OBE
experiences, particularly waking with the whole body buzzing this was the
first time that I had such clear physical information that I had no previous
knowledge about.

Now a couple of things are really interesting from this journal entry for
me:
1. That I was aware I was on top of my bed yet at the same time my visual
sensing was outside.
2. That the bricks were in colour and may have been coloured to gain my
attention.
3. That everything else was in black and white. Actually this week in psych
we did something on the M and P systems for vision. One of these systems is
good for colour but poor for motion while the other is more appropriate for
motion but is poor for colour input. This might indicate that only one of
these systems was functioning.

So Tiffini back to your experience. I guess it depends on where your
awareness was. From my experience above it seems certain senses can be
activated in different locations at the same time. Maybe an astral entity
was attempting to possess your husband and you caught him. I really don't
know. One thing is obvious though and that is irrespective of whether you
were in astral or physical mode fear paralyzed you. I can't stress enough
how important it is to realise how strong you are and that basically fear is
the main weapon astral entities have against you. So in a sense part of your
experience was manifested by yourself. If you read my abduction posts you
can also see the same issues but different props. Nothing like being
proactive and confident. I have had several OBE dreams where I seem to be up
against insurmountable odds yet it simple doesn't worry me. Showing no fear
I think will wipe the smile off you negative entities face. Try and
visualise a form that you are comfortable with that is strong and invisible.
For me it is the Knight, I have a female friend who locks herself in a
golden heart for protection. What you are really doing is showing your
energy and purity. If you can show that you appreciate it and understand it
most entities will leave you alone.

Tiffini and Troy I want to stress that I am not an expert or professional in
this area. I am purely sharing my experience and ideas. My idea behind this
being that we all grow from this process.

I have an exam on Tuesday so I will be concentrating on that till then. Hope
the above is of use.

Cheers,

Mawk

[jm11_11]

--- In asc2k@y..., "zhing311" <zhing311@y...> wrote:

>Also, who is the hoser who asked everyone if they watched the
>x-files and then never said what it was about?
>
> Laita

-----------

...Hoser?

I started the X-Files thread hoping it might invoke a discussion
about that particular episode (Improbable); however, either no one
else watched it or no one considered it worth discussing. I didn't
think my attempt at describing it could do it any amount of justice,
and if no one saw it or wished to comment on it, what was the point?

It was very deep and complicated (below the surface) and full of many
truths that many are not aware of, and it had many connections
running throughout that would require actually watching the program -
probably a few times - to fully appreciate.

It was about many things... it was about numerology (hey, David, you
probably would have liked the number of the Numerologist's office:
333, as well as all the references throughout to 3), coincidence,
patterns, rhythms, the role of God (played by Burt Reynolds) in our
lives, the open mind vs the closed mind, etc. It was very symbolic
with each of the characters representing different groups of people
with different perspectives and mind sets. It was about science and
non-science working together - in this episode to solve a case, but
on a deeper level to see "The Truth."

It was about coincidence not being chance or random events, but
rather 'clues to be followed' or 'dots to be connected.' It was about
the open mind being able to see this, and the closed mind (i.e.
science and facts only / skeptics) unable and unwilling to.

In fact, Agent Reyes (representing the open minded group of people)
first says to Agent Scully: "I'm going to ask you to open your mind
to something. I don't want you to think I'm crazy, all right?"

On a deeper lever, this is exactly what Chris Carter was asking of
his audience.

X-Files is a very popular program. Perhaps someone you know is a fan
of the show and maybe taped it.


...Hoser?


Juli

[Tony P.]

I'll list what happened and my thought process at the time.

I just woke up from sleep.
Was trying to go back to sleep for another hour.
Thought about 6D negative entities.
Thought about what would happen if one were to appear to me.
Thought about saying something like this if it were to happen, "By
the order of the Law of One, Go Away, I do not need you now."
Thought about if the entity would transfer negative polarity to me,
also considering if it would retain it's own polarity.
The song "This little light of mine, I'm going to let it shine"
popped into my head by reason of what I read in D. Cannon's
Nostradamus book concerning transfer of energy.
Then it hit me, I was awake, couldn't book, could only "wheeze"
instead of scream. Then I finally came out of it.