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Crasher2ooo@...

04-03-2002, 01:28 AM

Hi Group...

Just been rereading the Ra-Study Guide sections regarding catalyst and have been trying to integrate a couple of distortions that I think may be useful to the group.

First off... I am aware of several members of this group who are distorted fairly strongly towards positively changing society and the various negative powers that be. I think this quote from Ra may be of use...

CHANGING SOCIETY

Ra: Those most active in attempting to remake or alter the society are those working from feelings of being correct personally or of having answers which will put power in a more correct configuration. These interactions most often concentrate upon the 2nd and 3rd energy centers. There are some few whose desires to aid society are of a green ray nature or above. These entities, however, are few due to the understanding of 4th ray that universal love freely given is more to be desired than principles or even the rearrangement of peoples or political structures.

The second Ra quote I have been trying to integrate is this...

Ra: For a balanced entity no situation has an emotional charge but is simply a situation like any other in which the entity may or may not observe an opportunity to be of service.

Ra: The closer an entity comes to this attitude the closer an entity is to balance. It is not our recommendation that reactions to catalyst be repressed or suppressed unless such reactions would be a stumbling block not consonant with the law of One to an other-self. It is far, far better to allow the experience to express itself in order that the entity may then make fuller use of this catalyst.

Now I understand what Ra is saying in theory but I think this may be a little more complicated in practice... I think I can safely say that most of us in this group strive to be balanced entities and I myself am at the point where I consciously try to stay in a state of neutral emotional charge when catalyst manifests in my life... There are times however when fairly traumatic catalyst will manifest and I will feel emotional charge yet I try to keep myself calm and in a state of balance.

The points I am having trouble integrating are...

Am I repressing reaction by trying to calm my emotional response?

Does the balanced entity have no emotional response due to the nature of being a balanced entity?



Your help group would be most appreciated...

Robin.

Jeremy Weiland

04-03-2002, 02:58 PM

Hey Robin,

Thanks for your post! I hope you'll continue to share
your thoughts as you explore Ra - it is most thought
provoking, and can really be a good catalyst for
discussion on the list. I wholeheartedly agree with
your interpretation of Ra's comments on transient
events. I wanted to share my thoughts on some of the
stuff you wrote.

> Am I repressing reaction by trying to calm my
> emotional response?

Well, calming is not neccessarily the same thing as
repression. Not allowing yourself to experience an
emotion is certainly repressive, and IMHO it sort of
takes away the catalytic quality of the situation. If
you express an emotion in response to a situation,
that is a sign of something (positive or negative),
and it is much more productive to examine it and
understand why you had that reaction than to repress
it, which will just neccessitate more of the same
catalyst.

I interpret "calming" as not being repression but more
tempering your reaction with love while trying to
understand it. I think this is wise, as long as you
do not deny the emotion a chance to play out in your
psyche so that it may show you what you need to see.
Also, if you *do* express an emotion strongly that you
were unsuccessful in calming, don't beat yourself up
about it, as that was just a catalyst that you needed
to learn that much more about. The catalyst will end
when you have used it to balance that aspect; it
exists for that purpose alone, right? Which leads me
to the next topic...

> Does the balanced entity have no emotional response
> due to the nature of being a balanced entity?

I'm not entirely sure about this. I think maybe
balanced entities do experience emotions, but they are
much more controlled (not repressed but able to be
experienced at will) and understood. The outside
world isn't able to manipulate them as they stand by
helplessly. They are not *victims*.

But in another sense, there would be no extreme
negative emotional repsonse for a perfectly balanced
entity, sense a balanced entity would not experience
catalyst. The emotional response *is* the catalyst,
in a way, sense it is only the emotional charge that
give an entity the tools with which to explore and
understand the self further. The situation is,
without the entity's distortions, devoid of meaning
one way or another. We all see stuff through rose
colored glasses, right? :-)

As always, my humble opinion. Hope I've been able to
provoke some thought on this. Thanks!

Jeremy

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Crasher2ooo@...

04-04-2002, 12:26 AM

Jeremy...

Thanks for replying, much appreciated... I agree Ra is such a diverse
catalyst, I have to admit that every time I read through the study guide I
always come away with something new to intergrate... Defiantley going to have
to get round to buying the books in full.

Yes I agree... lets say a catalyst manifested and I reacted with the emotion
fear. If I tried to deny to myself that I felt fear in order to stay calm
then this would be repressing the reaction.

However... if I felt fear, accepted that I was feeling this emotion... then
contemplated the fact that fear stems from seperation and in reality there is
no seperation only unity... and then I no longer felt fear and became calm,
this would neutralise the emotional charge without repressing the reaction.

Definatley agree with you on that fact that we learn from catalyst not
through the event itself but through the understanding that comes from
contemplating our reaction to the event.

Cheers for your opinions Jeremy... very useful!

Robin.

Tiffani Boswell

04-04-2002, 07:54 AM

ROBIN ROBIN!! thank you....this (below) is what i have been asking
for...when i say explain it or give examples!!! thank you!!!
> However... if I felt fear, accepted that I was feeling this emotion...
then
> contemplated the fact that fear stems from seperation and in reality there
is
> no seperation only unity... and then I no longer felt fear and became
calm,
> this would neutralise the emotional charge without repressing the
reaction.

tiffani

Jeremy Weiland

04-04-2002, 09:52 AM

> Thanks for replying, much appreciated... I agree Ra
> is such a diverse
> catalyst, I have to admit that every time I read
> through the study guide I
> always come away with something new to intergrate...

Heh. You and me both.

> Defiantley going to have
> to get round to buying the books in full.

Yeah, this is a step that puts in context all of the
little snippets of Ra that are in the study guide.
Plus there's a lot of good info that's not in the
guide. The guide is tremendously helpful in studying
Ra, however. It's like Cliff's Notes. :-)

> Yes I agree... lets say a catalyst manifested and I
> reacted with the emotion
> fear. If I tried to deny to myself that I felt fear
> in order to stay calm
> then this would be repressing the reaction.

Yeah... you certainly wouldn't be using it as
catalyst.

> However... if I felt fear, accepted that I was
> feeling this emotion... then
> contemplated the fact that fear stems from
> seperation and in reality there is
> no seperation only unity... and then I no longer
> felt fear and became calm,
> this would neutralise the emotional charge without
> repressing the reaction.

Right... and the more you did this, the less
catalyzing this event would be for you, and therefore
you would experience it less. There's nothing wrong
with feelings, but they are not ends in themselves,
but rather means to an end.

Jeremy

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ebarrettes

04-09-2002, 11:08 AM

Hi Robin! Thanks for starting this discussion! I so appreciate
being able to talk about the issues that your bring up!!! Let me
share my perspective...

> The second Ra quote I have been trying to integrate is this...
>
> Ra: For a balanced entity no situation has an emotional charge but
is simply
> a situation like any other in which the entity may or may not
observe an
> opportunity to be of service.
>
> Ra: The closer an entity comes to this attitude the closer an
entity is to
> balance. It is not our recommendation that reactions to catalyst
be
> repressed or suppressed unless such reactions would be a stumbling
block not
> consonant with the law of One to an other-self. It is far, far
better to
> allow the experience to express itself in order that the entity may
then make
> fuller use of this catalyst.
>
> Now I understand what Ra is saying in theory but I think this may
be a little
> more complicated in practice... I think I can safely say that most
of us in
> this group strive to be balanced entities and I myself am at the
point where
> I consciously try to stay in a state of neutral emotional charge
when
> catalyst manifests in my life... There are times however when
fairly
> traumatic catalyst will manifest and I will feel emotional charge
yet I try
> to keep myself calm and in a state of balance.
>
> The points I am having trouble integrating are...
>
> Am I repressing reaction by trying to calm my emotional response?

Caroline Myss helped me to work with my responses in her "Anatomy of
the Spirit"...

You see, I have two small children (9 months and three years), and
they are wonderful teachers of patience! And whenever I see myself
losing patience (patience is one of my many lessons in this
incarnation) I say to God "I see this God and I own it... Give me
grace, God. I pray for Grace. Help me, please.".

At this point I'm full of sound and fury... But I know it, I see it,
I accept it and I forgive myself for it. And after doing this a few
hundred times, my reaction begins to change. I see myself becoming
mor patience and more able to accept my lessons and love myself.

So, do I respress my reactions? I remember trying to do this, but
don't do it anymore. Honesty is paramount and I think it's important
to know "where we are".

We learn from our reactions... Without reactions, we can't know
ourselves, lvoe ourselves, accept ourselves and forgive ourselves.
But after time, after you begin to know yourself and your reactions,
to analyze them and learn from them, you CHANGE!

In my example above, I learned that I was trying to drive my own
life. When my plans were foiled, I eventually began to see that they
were foiled for a reason. God loves me, and is trying to teach me
that whatever happens to me is for my benefit.

Now I am trying to flow more with life instead of fighting it. And
when I screw up? I laugh at myself. Because it's funny.

> Does the balanced entity have no emotional response due to the
nature of
> being a balanced entity?

I would think so. I would think that this balanced entity knows to
flow with life. And if s/he does react then it indicates an
imbalance. That seems to make sense!

But this is a natural consequence, not something to strive for.
Honesty is paramount. So scream, pull your hair out, get upset and
red-faced. That's the way I learn... and it's worked out pretty
well for me... cause I have changed and now I can laugh! To err is
human... And I am one sweet error-prone human!!!!!

I sure hope that helps!!!

In the love and the light of the One Infinite Creator,
Laura

Chamil1950@...

04-09-2002, 12:34 PM

I think this Ra quote has been misinterpreted-there are two parts to this which
need to be separated, which I will do below:

>> Ra: For a balanced entity no situation has an emotional charge but is simply
a situation like any other in which the entity may or may not observe an
opportunity to be of service.
>> Ra: The closer an entity comes to this attitude the closer an entity is to
balance.

(Chris)
This paragraph could apply to any entity in any density. Ra does not make that
distinction, however, he does seem to begin speaking about 3D below:

It is not our recommendation that reactions to catalyst be
repressed or suppressed unless such reactions would be a stumbling block not
consonant with the law of One to an other-self. It is far, far better to allow
the experience to express itself in order that the entity may then make fuller
use of this catalyst.

(Chris)
So, here, Ra is actually saying that we SHOULD experience our emotions, unless,
of course, our reaction could harm another person. We need to feel the polarity
of our emotions in order to begin balancing them.

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Jeremy Weiland

04-09-2002, 02:17 PM

You're absolutely right IMHO, Chris. We *should*
experience our emotions fully, as this is making most
efficient use of catalyst.

However, I must point out what I believe is the source
of confusion. The first quotes of Ra in the email
talk about *balanced* entities, i.e. entities for
which no imbalance exists. For an entity who is
perfectly balanced, what would be the point of
catalyst? Like a said in a previous email, I believe
that a perfectly balanced entity wouldn't recieve
catalyst because there would be no imbalance to
exploit; therefore, there would not exist any
emotional attachment, since all is perfectly balanced.

Ra can be a real splitter of hairs at times. :-)

Jeremy

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> I think this Ra quote has been misinterpreted-there
> are two parts to this which need to be separated,
> which I will do below:
>
> >> Ra: For a balanced entity no situation has an
> emotional charge but is simply a situation like any
> other in which the entity may or may not observe an
> opportunity to be of service.
> >> Ra: The closer an entity comes to this attitude
> the closer an entity is to balance.
>
> (Chris)
> This paragraph could apply to any entity in any
> density. Ra does not make that distinction, however,
> he does seem to begin speaking about 3D below:
>
> It is not our recommendation that reactions to
> catalyst be
> repressed or suppressed unless such reactions would
> be a stumbling block not consonant with the law of
> One to an other-self. It is far, far better to allow
> the experience to express itself in order that the
> entity may then make fuller use of this catalyst.
>
> (Chris)
> So, here, Ra is actually saying that we SHOULD
> experience our emotions, unless, of course, our
> reaction could harm another person. We need to feel
> the polarity of our emotions in order to begin
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Tiffani Boswell

04-09-2002, 03:27 PM

>
> However, I must point out what I believe is the source
> of confusion. The first quotes of Ra in the email
> talk about *balanced* entities, i.e. entities for
> which no imbalance exists. For an entity who is
> perfectly balanced, what would be the point of
> catalyst? Like a said in a previous email, I believe
> that a perfectly balanced entity wouldn't recieve
> catalyst because there would be no imbalance to
> exploit; therefore, there would not exist any
> emotional attachment, since all is perfectly balanced.
>
ok i am jumping in here...Isn't the point of catalyst to assist with
polarization....
there are NOT a whole lot of balanced entitites in ANY dimension it would
seem according to our reading. just like 4D that has love to martyrdom
without wisdom...that is not balanced...but then 5D has Wisdom and Love but
not enought light? or something....
you can take that broad stance or get specific that if you are balanced here
and don't "respond" to anything are you sufficiently polarized either way?
or destined to repeat 3D over and over because you are a perfect 50%

or am i jamming to different topics together?

blessings going to pick up my cat.
finished my SENIOR PAPER!!! yeah Tiffani! i turn it in tomorrow! and then
all i have left are some DUMB two classes that they won't let me clep out of
and i have to take it (ex: freshman biology lab) oh well...
IT FEELS GOOD! that is why i am telling you so you can smile and think how
GOOD it feels to get something FINISHED!!!

YEAH YEAH

David Wilcock

04-09-2002, 05:03 PM

From: Tiffani Boswell

> However, I must point out what I believe is the source
> of confusion. The first quotes of Ra in the email
> talk about *balanced* entities, i.e. entities for
> which no imbalance exists. For an entity who is
> perfectly balanced, what would be the point of
> catalyst? Like a said in a previous email, I believe
> that a perfectly balanced entity wouldn't recieve
> catalyst because there would be no imbalance to
> exploit; therefore, there would not exist any
> emotional attachment, since all is perfectly balanced.

>ok i am jumping in here...Isn't the point of catalyst to assist with
polarization....

DW: To a point, yes. The only caveat here is that polarization is a
necessary stepping-stone to Unity, wherein no polarity exists. Scott once
broke down the basic growth issue of each density eloquently for me, to
which I will add my thoughts, though this has some rough edges:

1D: Awareness of movement without any identity
2D: I do not exist except as a member of my group
3D: I exist and am better than everyone else
4D: Everyone else is better than me
5D: Everyone else is equal to me
6D: I and everyone else are one
7D: I and everyone else do not exist; all is sacramental and formed only of
light/love energy
8D: I am light. I am love. I am light/love. I am.

>there are NOT a whole lot of balanced entitites in ANY dimension it would
seem according to our reading. just

DW: I'd have to count that as an unsupported assumption. A 6D social memory
complex like Ra is very balanced, by virtue of the fact that you now have an
entire planet worth of beings that have fused into a singular consciousness.
That alone is an incredible feat that could not be possible without
tremendous balance in each entity so that their minds can indeed form that
social memory complex.

The sixth density is the path of balanced love and wisdom. There are issues
to be worked out, but they are extraordinarily sublime and subtle compared
to the intense, jarring catalyst we experience here in the third density.
Remember that their state of being is so tremendously joyous as to be akin
to our greatest sense of spiritual ecstasy in our lives - only remotely,
because words can't truly describe it - and that's where they are all the
time.

>like 4D that has love to martyrdom without wisdom...that is not
balanced...but then 5D has Wisdom and Love but not enought light? or
something....

DW: Whoa... 4D is love. 5D is light. 6D is love/light unified. 7D is the
void, the realm of no-self that forms a gateway into the reunion with the
Oneness at the octave level, which is shrouded in mystery.

So you were right about 4D as love without wisdom. See 5D as wisdom without
love as the forefront. That's why I tell people to read the Seth books with
that in mind - there's a great deal of wisdom that is far more useful for
real everyday "problems" than just warm fuzzy lovey-dovey stuff, but at the
same time you don't get that sense of a real thirst and passion for the
Oneness, for compassion, for service that you get from 6D sources. And also
remember that 5D can be home to negative entities who have no love but
possess great wisdom.

A positive entity in 5D is certainly not unloving, but will rather tend to
be a "head person" and tied up in their own mental gymnastics, rarely able
to disengage from their internal wonderment enough to truly contact others
in great compassion. That's the physical 3D analog of a person who would
represent this. Without naming names, there are many folks in the
metaphysical field presenting the hard science aspects of ancient
civilizations, UFOs and the like that are not necessarily bad people, but
are just very preoccupied with themselves and with their work. Some of them
can make for terrible radio-show guests because they have no clue how to
present their information to an audience as a stand-alone product that
requires no external research. I must give credit to Gregg Braden for
consistently giving intact presentations - which is why he is where he is.

I had to learn a lesson for myself in the sense of not letting this 5D
hangup become the dominant focus in my life - to say it differently, I was
very invested emotionally in the idea that my writing my scientific books
was my best service to humanity, even though most of it still hasn't been
seen, yet I got so wrapped up in it that I needed a gory nerve-splicing hand
injury to pull me out and reconnect with family, friends and now prospective
clients for readings.

This form of honesty that I am sharing with you is another trait of going up
to the 6D level. In 5D you learn to communicate your true feelings and not
just shove and repress everything down, which is good, but in 6D you learn
how to communicate deeply honest truth with enough compassion to minimize
"suffering" of self and other.

>you can take that broad stance or get specific that if you are balanced
here and don't "respond" to anything are you sufficiently polarized either
way?
or destined to repeat 3D over and over because you are a perfect 50%

DW: Remember another very useful quote from Ra, discussed in Book Five,
which paraphrases as, "Often, in order to eliminate a distortion, one must
first accentuate it." Really think about that statement in lieu of what you
said above instead of just having me spoon-feed the analysis of it.

Peace be with you -

- David

blessings going to pick up my cat. finished my SENIOR PAPER!!! yeah Tiffani!
i turn it in tomorrow! and then
all i have left are some DUMB two classes that they won't let me clep out of
and i have to take it (ex: freshman biology lab) oh well... IT FEELS GOOD!
that is why i am telling you so you can smile and think how GOOD it feels to
get something FINISHED!!!

YEAH YEAH

DW: I'll be there soon enough... :)

- David

Crasher2ooo@...

04-10-2002, 12:15 AM

Hi David...

> Really think about that statement in lieu of what you said above instead of
just > having me spoon-feed the analysis of it.

I really appreciate your approach here David... by provoking thought there is
alot more room to explore the self.

> 'Often, in order to eliminate a distortion, one must first accentuate it.'

This teaching is implying that in order to eliminate a distortion you need to
emphasize it. David gave this example as a distortion...

> I was very invested emotionally in the idea that my writing my scientific
books
> was my best service to humanity, even though most of it still hasn't been
seen, yet > I got so wrapped up in it that I needed a gory nerve-splicing
hand injury to pull me > out and reconnect with family, friends and now
prospective clients for readings.
> This form of honesty that I am sharing with you is another trait of going
up to the 6D > level.

By communicating the distortion to us David has analysed it, accepted it and
shown a level of honesty in line with 6D distortions... I am assuming it is
the communication of the distortion to others that has accentuated it and in
turn eliminated it?

That quote is a tough one, as with most of Ra im sure you could come away
with many distortions of what it means... interested to see what others come
up with.

Robin.

Crasher2ooo@...

04-10-2002, 12:15 AM

Hi Laura...

> Thanks for starting this discussion! I so appreciate being able to talk
about the > issues that your bring up!!! Let me share my perspective...

Your welcome... I know how you feel, it is nice when a topic comes up that
you feel strongly about... and there is so much to be learned from active
disussion on this list.

Reading your post it seems quite clear that you have learned to accept and
forgive yourself and I commend you on your methods and attitude.

> When my plans were foiled, I eventually began to see that they were foiled
for a > reason.

I've been getting alot of catalyst like this, i'll make plans for the weekend
and then for some 'strange' reason something will go wrong that is out of my
control and my plans will fall through.

> So scream, pull your hair out, get upset and red-faced. That's the way I
learn... > and it's worked out pretty well for me... cause I have
changed and now I can laugh!

Yes... this is a good way of accepting and forgiving your self for the way
you reacted. However, the way I am trying to deal with catalyst is to change
myself so that I dont get angry.

> We learn from our reactions... Without reactions, we can't know ourselves,
lvoe > ourselves, accept ourselves and forgive ourselves. But after time,
after you begin to > know yourself and your reactions, to analyze them and
learn from them, you > CHANGE!

This is the point I am at now, where having learned from my reactions to
previous catalyst I now am starting to react differently when new catalyst
manifests in my life.

Thanks for taking the time to reply,

Robin.

ebarrettes

04-10-2002, 10:21 AM

Hi Robin! This is fun!!!!

> Reading your post it seems quite clear that you have learned to
accept and
> forgive yourself and I commend you on your methods and attitude.

Well, not completely... but I see progress. God has helped me
acheive more clarity in my life, so issues of my present and past
that are/were cloudy are now clearer. Meditiation has certainly
helped, along with a daily prayer for clarity. The more I forgive
myself, the more I see that needs forgiving! It's a drip that turned
into a waterfall!

I have been reading other materials, like Doreen Virtue's "The
Lightworkers Way". It falls inline with Ra's philosophy (if I can
call it philosophy... it seems like too small of a word... ), but
chronicles Doreen's path and gives ideas on how to follow your own
path of spiritual evolvement. The first thing she recommends is
meditating... But this isn't new. Reading other materials,
meditation seems to be the first step to the conscious aiding of the
development of spiritual evolvement. But I say it here because I can
vouch for the practice!

Do you meditate? If so, I'd like to hear what methods you use, how
you came to develop them. And of course I'd like to hear how anyone
hear has developed their own styles of meditation. I would like to
know how I might aid my own practice!

I have only been meditating daily since October of 2001. What seems
right to me is attamepting the blank mind... But lately I've have
found myself trying to listen to that very loud silence! I wash and
sage before I begin, and at least go for 10 mintues... soemtime I
can go as long as 1 1/2 hours. It depends.

In the love and the light of the One Infinite Creator,
Laura

David Wilcock

04-10-2002, 11:23 AM

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> 'Often, in order to eliminate a distortion, one must first accentuate
it.'...

By communicating the distortion to us David has analysed it, accepted it and
shown a level of honesty in line with 6D distortions... I am assuming it is
the communication of the distortion to others that has accentuated it and in
turn eliminated it?

DW: I actually hadn't even seen that as an example, but you cleverly
associated it as such. Think about the most mundane distortions -
selfishness, anger, escapism, etc. and then consider your own past
experiences with how you finally came to make solid behavioral changes.
Let's see some others weigh in too...

Peace be with you -

- David