Intelligence / Understanding & The LoO

[kundalini]

i'm almost at the end of book iv of the loo now, but i'm finding it harder than ever to follow. all this business with the architypes boggles my mind. strange thing is, its not that this material isn't resonating with me. i have the will to understand it. i simply lack the intelligence to do so. i have found this conundrum a few times while reading the series.

i'm curious what people think of the relationships of understanding the loo through intelligent thought and perception and peoples resonance with the material. how can it be that i can read these books and resonate so strongly with them that i find the material undeniable and set about trying to live my life by its principals, yet on an intellectual level i'm probably only understanding a very small percentage of the information given?

i couldn't explain any of this material to another person like dw or many of the highly intelligent regulars of this board. yet i feel i somehow understand the concepts and information on a level totally separate to intellectual understanding. something less rational, logical and explainable.

still i find myself confused and it sometimes leads me into spirals of depression. what could it mean when your seeking far out weighs your ability to intelligently percieve that which you seek? could it even be by design that i lack the ability to "think" so clearly?

would love to to hear what you greater thinkers think on this subject :)

[Deambor]

hi, kundalini.

don;t worry about intellectualizing about loo. i also found some portions of it resonating much more than others. and i also found not all material "clear" intellectually. but i think we may underestimate our intrinsic capability to take in and process information not on pure intellectual level, but on deeper level of inner peception.

so don't worry about "not understanding" with your mind. you may be understanding it on resonance level, i.e. string vibrational level. not as an outside reader, but as an emitter of the information. remember that on some level ra and us are one.
that's what us greater thinkers are thinking:)

[charles obscure]

honestly, i think you are an intelligent person for recognizing the denseness of the information in the ra material. i do think all spiritual books are like that (the bible, the koran, the qaballah etc) you wont be able to absorb all of it in one read by any chance. much of it will make sense in your conscious mind, and some will be slowly digested in your subconscious, only to resurface again later when the information is needed/the meaning can be percieved, some of it may never be grasped in this lifetime.

however, book iv is by far the hardest ra book to understand as it deals with the archetypes and concepts that cant really be even comprehended before deeper impression through meditation is attained etc. even carla and those at ll org have not made much sense out of a lot of it apparently. so if you can persevere through book iv i assure you it will get a bit easier to grasp again in book v!

[kundalini]

thanks for the words of encouragement guys :)

i always wonder about the strange lines between various types of intelligence. the lines are all so blurred. and where does intelligence stop and wisdom begin? sometimes i feel like its wisdom thats gives me the ability to percieve concepts beyond my mental capacity. but i always thought wisdom came with time (i'm only 26). maybe an accumilation of wisdom from past lives? i am pretty certain this is my last incarnation in this illusion. if thats true than i guess there might be some bleed though effect from past lives.

just a thought or two, hehe!

[twva]

i wouldn't take inability to understand ra's discussion of the archetypes as a sign of lack of intelligence. honestly, i doubt there's anyone who would claim that they understand that material very well, and i think that's the way it was supposed to be. ra said that the images haunt rather than explicate, and that definitely seems true to me.

part of the problem is that don never really understood the idea of the archetypical mind and his questions reflected his inability to grasp what ra was trying to say and to move forward from there. this in contradistinction to his normally amazing ability to synthesize and extrapolate from the rich and dense information ra offered.

[clark]

part of the problem is that don never really understood the idea of the archetypical mind and his questions reflected his inability to grasp what ra was trying to say and to move forward from there but as an emitter of the information. remember that on some level ra and us are one that's what us greater thinkers are thinking

clark
usa

[pclunatix]

i read somewhere from dw that when he was asked so many times what people should read, he said something along this line; loo is a good read not just because its information but because they idea of unity thats being shared, will sink into a deeper layer of the mind just by reading the ra material.

84.20 "we may say that these jewels, though dearly bought, are beyond price for the seeker and might suggest that just as each awareness is arrived at through a process of analysis, synthesis, and inspiration, so should the seeker approach its mate and evaluate each experience, seeking the jewel."

just like the way thats written plus the mentioning of awareness arriving through analysis, synthesis, and inspiration is great to hear. i have a natural ability for analysis and synthesis. i thought a lot about me not meditating holding me back in progress but lately i became more confident that my contemplations are quiet valuable on their own. leaving me a bit more satisfied though i know meditation would still only help.

[goodyear8504]

i thought a lot about me not meditating holding me back in progress but lately i became more confident that my contemplations are quiet valuable on their own. leaving me a bit more satisfied though i know meditation would still only help.

i would submit that contemplation is a form of meditation. so if that's true, then you've been meditating, to some degree, all this time without even being aware you were doing it. maybe you haven't been meditating in the fashion that most people think of when they hear the term mediation, but that's not very important. what is important is the fact that meditation can be done pretty much anywhere, anytime.

even so, maybe it would benefit you, and myself as well, to take some time out of each day to sit quietly without distraction. but we're progressing nevertheless.

matt

[Enkidu]

one need not understand the material, one need only be aware of the basic truths held within. those can be made clear by many sources, the loo is but one of an infinite array of paths spiraling back towards source.

this dimension is not one of understanding.

[kundalini]

this dimension is not one of understanding.

this is actually one of the things i say quite often when people tie themselves up in knots trying to understand metaphysical concepts. but i sometimes get a little paranoid that i'm using that as a crutch for my own mental ineptitude.

[Enkidu]

has nothing to do with ineptitude, i can promise that. :d

i have had mental blocks that i resigned myself to, and the answers came to me clear as day at a later time.

if it is right, it is right.

from a taoist perspective "if at first you don't succeed, go do something else for a while."

[Glothr]

something has had me perplexed for a while now. i want to find a way that allows me to spread the law of one to others but then i run into a roadblock. there are people, as expected, that will not even listen to the idea of what the law of one teaches. they absolutely refuse to entertain the idea. now here is my question: do we accept this as the law of confusion in action or keep trying to help them see the truth? you can't infringe upon free will but it is our duty to spread the law of one. my conclusion is that we merely put the message out there and whoever wants to learn will learn. what do you guys think?

l&l

[Karen Rusk]

you are right, i think, that you can just put it out there and then let them choose.
maybe the easiest way to get the message out is to be what you are hoping to teach. of course we all stumble along and such, but still, if you are focused on living in a world where the law of one is apparent, then you will help immensely by living it yourself!
good teachings :)

[evolving]

each is on their own path and has an "awakening" alarm clock, with a snooze button, in place if it is supposed to be. if not, they are supposed to remain immersed in the illusion.

not all are supposed to have a greater understanding, and only a percentage of wanderer's and a very small percentage of third density students will actually recognize, understand, and comprehend the loo (ra materials) as being what it is.

that being said, if one wishes to plant the seed of thought and walk away, without stake in what happens to that seed... that is not a polarizing action. the other-self's free will is, then, not infringed upon, and they may water the seed, or allow it to die accordingly.

acceptance is the key to positive polarity. control is the key to negative polarity.

[Tenet Nosce]

something has had me perplexed for a while now. i want to find a way that allows me to spread the law of one to others but then i run into a roadblock. there are people, as expected, that will not even listen to the idea of what the law of one teaches.

it is not unusual to want to share these ideas with others, however your frustration belies a lack of understanding on your own part.

i ran into this issue myself some years ago, not only with loo but other fringe topics as well. in a strange sense, it kind of confirmed for me how mind programmed the populace really is, and that people are not meant to understand certain things until they are "ready" (for whatever that means.)

there are people who will disagree, not take the ideas seriously, or otherwise resistant, but will still at least engage or argue with you.

then there are those who go into this very strange "shut down" state. i've brought up these topics to some people and a blank look will pass over their face. next they will continue talking, as if i had never brought up the topic at all. i've also encountered situations where another is suddenly overwhelmed by a desire to sleep.


they absolutely refuse to entertain the idea.

i'm curious to know. do they refuse to entertain the idea that everything is connected? or do they refuse to entertain the idea that the information was channeled from a group of entities called ra? some people get stuck because they refuse to accept the validity of the messenger, rather than the message itself.

[quote]you can't infringe upon free will but it is our duty to spread the law of one.[./quote]

no. it is not our duty to spread the law of one.

[Tenet Nosce]

also i'm not sure how many people here are aware, but l/l research continues to post channeled information to this day. you can find it on their website llresearch.org. click on library then transcripts.

[Ens Entium]

hi there,

that's a very interesting point that was brought up... where you say 'people are not meant to understand until they are ready' ...
the reason i think it's interesting, and this leads into my question, is because i think in promoting the law of one material it would be quite useful to (me personally, can't speak for this ability in others) to be able to notice who will be most receptive to what one has to share... and in this way you could also catch people when they might needs this material most.

and so, what i'm asking is.. readiness in what sense?.. would it be readiness in terms of the (focus?) of their outlook? or disalignment with programming? so yeah could you please elaborate on that, and to everyone on this thread if you could please share in helping me with this understanding..

i think it could also be useful to see if there some kind of path of increasing readiness relating to the up take of learning in general? this could help me speed up my awakening.

any input is greatly appreciated! thanks in advance..

kyle

[Glothr]

it is not unusual to want to share these ideas with others, however your frustration belies a lack of understanding on your own part.

i ran into this issue myself some years ago, not only with loo but other fringe topics as well. in a strange sense, it kind of confirmed for me how mind programmed the populace really is, and that people are not meant to understand certain things until they are "ready" (for whatever that means.)

there are people who will disagree, not take the ideas seriously, or otherwise resistant, but will still at least engage or argue with you.

then there are those who go into this very strange "shut down" state. i've brought up these topics to some people and a blank look will pass over their face. next they will continue talking, as if i had never brought up the topic at all. i've also encountered situations where another is suddenly overwhelmed by a desire to sleep.



i'm curious to know. do they refuse to entertain the idea that everything is connected? or do they refuse to entertain the idea that the information was channeled from a group of entities called ra? some people get stuck because they refuse to accept the validity of the messenger, rather than the message itself.

[quote]you can't infringe upon free will but it is our duty to spread the law of one.[./quote]

no. it is not our duty to spread the law of one.

i could have used a better word than duty. i should have said i feel obligated to. it just feels like keeping this information to myself is selfish and defeats the purpose of the message. as far as which part they refuse to believe i think the message would be less resisted than the source by which it was attained. people will at least listen to the message but as soon as you say it was channeled by ra they will look for a straight jacket to slap on you.

[Berni]

i have found that "spreading the word" about the loo sometimes needs to be a gradual process. some are ready, others are not. but i usually look for an opening in a conversation that allows me to make a comment that relates to the loo. i sometimes get a strange look, and sometimes get an agreeing nod.

after i've gotten a few agreeing nods, i can direct that person to look further. i've sent a few links to this website and to david's videos (as well as those of others who say similar things) and now i wait to see if they respond psitively or negatively. no response indicates to me that they may not be ready yet. or maybe they're just hashing it over in their mind.

i was ready back in the early 80's, about the time the loo was being channelled, but i didn't find out about the loo until a few years ago, after coming here. i found out about this website after reading "the reincarnation of edgar cayce?", which a friend loaned me. the site was still called ascension 2000 (is that right? it's been a while!) david's links to the loo wiki got me reading the whole thing there. and i read all his articles and books that were posted here before i ever even looked at these forums.

so maybe you just need to nudge your people a little at a time. when they're ready, you'll know. and it may be that very soon, after some things come out in the press, that they'll be asking you a lot of questions. at least, that's what i expect to happen.

[capt.libra]

in discussing any of our favorite subjects, i have found that i must consider the individual. there are freinds of mine that are very good people that are not ready to awaken. another freind once told me we are not all of the same soul group. i also have come to accept that others have many more incarnations to work through. there is no right, no wrong, even though most of us are in a rush to call forth the coming events.
namaste'

[Tenet Nosce]

and so, what i'm asking is.. readiness in what sense?.. would it be readiness in terms of the (focus?) of their outlook? or disalignment with programming? so yeah could you please elaborate on that, and to everyone on this thread if you could please share in helping me with this understanding..

well part of the challenge is that there really is no external yardstick of "readiness" by which you can reliably discern. i also tend to think that it isn't necessarily a straight line scale, meaning an individual may have been more "ready" at some point in the past then they are now, due to changes in circumstances.

it all comes back to the pearls before swine lesson. when people come across a profound idea or new way of looking at things, it actually devalues the message by preaching it from the rooftops.

for example, not too many people take those people on the streets of new york wandering around with "the end is near" signs as very credible sources, and so in trying to reach everyone, it is less likely that they will reach anyone.

one thing to focus on first is building credibility with your audience. whether it is friends, family, coworkers, or whomever, it is important to make an honest evaluation of how much credibility you have with the people whom you would like to share these teachings with.

it's a major stumbling block in the awakening process because it is quite natural to want to go back and share your new understanding with those who are closest to you. however close friends and family are often the most difficult to build credibility with because they are the most familiar with your own personal shortcomings and character flaws.

another challenge is that especially when it comes to spiritual matters, people are going to be extra wary of anybody who they perceive as coming out of left field with a new spiritual subject. and rightly so. gurus are dangerous- and having devoted followers is not all that great of a situation to be in.

so the first step is to develop credibility. in this case you do that by living the loo in your daily life. of course, each person will come to have their own personal experience of what that means, but generally speaking it has to do with making your thoughts, words, and actions consistent with the belief that everything is connected.

the second step is to qualify your audience. by this i mean engaging them in conversation to determine their level of openness to the idea. instead of speaking to them about what you know, ask them about what they know. become genuinely interested in their ideas about spirituality and ask questions which probe deeper into the inner workings of their mind. ask them for opinions. ask if they have ever done any of their own personal research and what they have come up with.

you can imagine that you are conducting interviews for a leading role in a company. in the screening stage your goal is to identify candidates who are "thirsty" for something better. you do not want to waste your time with people that are lackluster or ho-hum.

also, try not to be overly concerned on whether you "miss" somebody. if the information you have is important to the other person's spiritual evolution, they will find it one way or another.

thirdly, you will need to establish some type of relevance to the person's current situation. if the information does not apply directly to something in their life, you have a small chance of making an impact. to this end, it can be helpful to have a thorough understanding of the "backstory" of loo.

for example, when i (rarely) talk about loo with others in conversations i make sure to communicate to them my familiarity with numerous "channeled" sources and explain to them why i think this particular body of work stands out above the rest.

it also helps to be familiar with other topics which are somewhat tangential to the loo material. for example, being familiar with the story of akhnaton, melchizedek, or other historical figures which were messengers of the law of one. an ability to frame the material in a broader context is quite helpful.

finally, it will be beneficial to develop a sense of nonattachment to the outcome. case in point, even though i am encouraging others through this post to use a great deal of discernment in discussing the loo with others, i know that there are some people who will read my words, and disregard them. some will persist in believing that they need to tell everybody about the loo. a few may even think i'm totally off my rocker.

no big deal. it doesn't make a difference to me one way or another. the information was given freely, and anybody is free to do whatever they will with it. the last thing i would want is for my own limited understanding to get in the way of somebody else arriving at a higher level of wisdom.

[Ens Entium]

ah tenet, wow, thank you so much for sharing... that's really insightful.. i just need some time to digest that and integrate it... i'll to take an approach coming from a place i think you just sketchily indicated :), again, thank a lot!

kyle

[InBetweenPlace]

@ tenet

thank you for your excellent post!

you are absolutely correct - and very thorough in your response.

bravo!

jc

[humbleone]

i'm almost at the end of book iv of the loo now, but i'm finding it harder than ever to follow. all this business with the architypes boggles my mind. strange thing is, its not that this material isn't resonating with me. i have the will to understand it. i simply lack the intelligence to do so. i have found this conundrum a few times while reading the series.

i'm curious what people think of the relationships of understanding the loo through intelligent thought and perception and peoples resonance with the material. how can it be that i can read these books and resonate so strongly with them that i find the material undeniable and set about trying to live my life by its principals, yet on an intellectual level i'm probably only understanding a very small percentage of the information given?

i couldn't explain any of this material to another person like dw or many of the highly intelligent regulars of this board. yet i feel i somehow understand the concepts and information on a level totally separate to intellectual understanding. something less rational, logical and explainable.

still i find myself confused and it sometimes leads me into spirals of depression. what could it mean when your seeking far out weighs your ability to intelligently percieve that which you seek? could it even be by design that i lack the ability to "think" so clearly?

would love to to hear what you greater thinkers think on this subject :)

i quote "the reincarnation of edgar cayce" by wynn free, chapter 21 conclusion, page 329. ra is speaking about the synopsis of the logic that has brought us to this point in our story. #7. "recognize that you are a being with distortions, and that this confusion is ok. within the veils of our earthbound consciousness, it is impossible for the mind to fully grasp the process of ascension. in fact, "it is entirely necessary that an entity consciously realize that it does not understand in order to be (ready for the ascension). understanding is not of your density."

for me i have read the law of one all the way through to book lv and the reincarnation of edgar cayce twice. there's a great deal i know i don't understand. the law of one should be read slowly. i am still fascinated, i still try to understand and i get more than i did the first try with trofec, but i know i'm not going to get most of it. what i think is exciting is realizing one day i am going to get it! one day when i'm where ra is at now. now we know why don elkins was chosen for the job. what he did was no easy feat. what we do know is we're not expected or required to understand it all. what matters is that we want to.

blessings.....

[Blacksunshine]

your choice to come right out and say it, right here, on this board of other intellectual folks states your strength and wisdom in plain sight, if you ask me. i have to commend you on that. it only takes wisdom and bravery to stand up and ask!!

i love how one stated that the book absolutely puts out a vibration, i vibrate every time i loose myself in the words of loo...and to end with "this dimension is not for understanding." brilliant. thank you.

i would vote in the direction of read the book a few times....read it over and over...every time you will pick more up from it...but most importantly always be reading. you can not manage to be less then intelegent if you do so.

many, many good blessings wishes upon you.