Stockmarket predictable ???

[martinhnl]

hi david and group,

i'm new here, although i've posted a few massages before without
introducing. forgive me, please.
nevertheless i'm still reading and processing the stuff mentally
(mindblowing), which is the main reason for my unpersonal
participation.

anyway, while reading "shift of ages" i came across the next:


"based on cowan's advanced calculations that combine price and time
as a whole, both the crash of 1929 and 1987 could be predicted in
advance, practically down to the day, by this cubical structure. and
as of may 1999, the potential for the next major downward trend had
begun, in terms of geometry, though it has not been as steep as the
others thus far -- but even as this book is going to print in april
of 2000, the market is experiencing jitters unprecedented since the
crash of 1987.

the last bit of information regarding bradley cowan's works that we
need to mention at this time is why he calls these stock market
cycles "four-dimensional." the reason for this is that in three
dimensions, you cannot predict the future, merely study the past and
observe the present. however, by accurately deducing the structure
and movement of these higher-order geometries in advance, it is
indeed possible to move outside of linear time and predict the future
with great accuracy. therefore, since the geometries indeed forecast
events that have yet to occur, they can be considered as fourth or
even fifth-dimensional"


if a stockmarket-bottom or crash could be predicted in advance,
practically down to the day, shouldn't people be warned in advance ??

david, being a member of the bradley cowan discussion-group (i
presume), could know about this, i guess ? and, was the september
21st bottom last year predicted to the day ?

if so, i could warn my family and friends in time ...

peace,


martin

the netherlands

[Chamil1950@...]

hi martin, it is good to hear from someone so far away,
here is a question i would like to answer for you (which others are also welcome
to comment on). you asked:
if a stockmarket-bottom or crash could be predicted in advance, practically down
to the day, shouldn't people be warned in advance ??

with the law of free will, it is ok to inform individuals of possible outcomes
because of your individual opinion, but to influence in any way an individual's
choice is not ok. in other words, "i read this and i think it makes sense, so
read it and see if you agree". thus, cowan's works may be suggested as posssible
readings. no one makes you read them. and no one should make prophecies to try
to influence you. also, the future is full of possibilities waiting to happen.
some may/some may not occur. if an individual tells you to do such and such with
the stock market, they are only seeing one possibility. they could be giving you
the wrong possibility. would you want that? no, of course not. you would be
pretty hot and probably yell and scream that someone really messed you up.
right? so, predictions are an iffy thing at best, and if i were you, i would
trust my own knowledge and intuition. (just a suggestion, of course :) chris

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[Chamil1950@...]

martin writes: am i being too simple minded ?

no, martin, just too concerned about monetary proprieties :) i say that with a
great deal of love, because my husband plays with the stock market and he won't
listen to one thing i say, either-i try to mess with his free will all the time,
but, so far it hasn't worked one bit :) people will do what they want anyway, i
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[martinhnl]

--- in asc2k@y..., chamil1950@a... wrote:
> hi martin, it is good to hear from someone so far away,
> here is a question i would like to answer for you (which others are
also welcome to comment on). you asked:
> if a stockmarket-bottom or crash could be predicted in advance,
practically down to the day, shouldn't people be warned in advance ??
>
> with the law of free will, it is ok to inform individuals of
possible outcomes because of your individual opinion, but to
influence in any way an individual's choice is not ok. in other
words, "i read this and i think it makes sense, so read it and see if
you agree". thus, cowan's works may be suggested as posssible
readings. no one makes you read them. and no one should make
prophecies to try to influence you. also, the future is full of
possibilities waiting to happen. some may/some may not occur. if an
individual tells you to do such and such with the stock market, they
are only seeing one possibility. they could be giving you the wrong
possibility. would you want that? no, of course not. you would be
pretty hot and probably yell and scream that someone really messed
you up. right? so, predictions are an iffy thing at best, and if i
were you, i would trust my own knowledge and intuition. (just a
suggestion, of course :) chris


hi chris,

thank you for answering my question. i completely agree with you on
the prediction part (david ?).

but aren't we talking 'platonic geometry' here, the very basic
concept for the universal ascension theory ? actually, it should not
be about prediction then ... it should be plane calculation.

am i being too simple minded ?

martin

[greenlantern113]

hey martin,

> but aren't we talking 'platonic geometry' here, the very basic
> concept for the universal ascension theory ? actually, it should
> not be about prediction then ... it should be plane calculation.

right. the whole idea is that there is order to the seemingly
chaotic activity of humans, one example being the stock market. my
understanding is that you can anticipate market activity through the
projection of higher dimensional shapes onto a 2d graph. this is a
partial representation of the cyclic nature of time.

i also understand that the "cowanites" have been wrong in a series
of "anticipations" of stock market activity over the past 2 years or
so. i haven't looked into it too much, though; does anybody have any
impartial data on the demonstrated success of cowan's methods?

jeremy

[alphacentauri_1999]

--- in asc2k@y..., "martinhnl" <mj.hoogenboezem@t...> wrote:

> if a stockmarket-bottom or crash could be predicted in advance,
> practically down to the day, shouldn't people be warned in
advance ??

ac:
it's doubtful anyone could predict the exact timing of a market
collapse. however, the symptoms are there well ahead of the crash.
the current u.s. stock market has never really undergone a correction
to clear out the excesses of the policies of the past 15 years.
only the nasdaq corrected and the overall stock market bubble is
alive and well as represented by the dow and s$p 500.
the bubble was initiated and is maintained by the irresponsible
creation of credit and misallocation of capital that the federal
reserve in particular encouraged. all credit booms eventually end in
bust. the question is how much longer the current system can be
propped up with new credit to keep the paper asset prices inflated.
that's the problem with credit produced asset bubbles. the system has
to constantly be injected with fresh infusions of easy and cheap money
(credit and debt) to maintain itself.
the japanese experience is the best recent example of what happens
when a credit and debt bubble bursts. japan had the same symptoms of
a stock and real estate bubble the u.s. has now.
japan's credit created financial bubble burst in the early 1990's and
they have yet to recover.
in the late 1980's the japanese were thought to be the financial
geniuses of the universe. now they are derided by u.s. officials as
not being smart enough to restimulate their economy.
the irony of this is that the current u.s. bubble makes the japanese
bubble look tiny.
naturally, u.s. pundits claim that u.s. markets are on sounder
footing and fundamentals than japan was. this is one of the biggest
lies sold to americans. americans are up to their eyeballs in debt
and are encouraged by officials to keep borrowing on their homes to
keep consuming more goods. the fed reserve lowered interest rates to
artificially low levels in order to accomodate this irresponsible
behavior. the 125% home equity loan is an obvious symptom of the type
of lunacy that is encouraged in america.
home mortgages and credit cards are issued to anyone with a pulse.
the u.s. housing market is now in a bubble just as the stock market
is. home values have become the piggy bank which many people use to
draw off more cash to keep spending and consuming.
credit created asset bubbles work wonderfully as long as confidence
is maintained and more credit is made available to keep it going and
prices rising. however, all credit bubbles eventually unwind
themselves to the same extent they inflated themselves. that's what
history and and the law of economics show us over and over again.

there is also a strong possibility that a derivitives accident will
occur in the future. j.p. morgan chase will be at the heart of that
debacle. all the symptoms of a very sick financial system are present
in the u.s. today.
the stock and housing markets are the economy in the u.s.
their price levels have to be maintained at all costs.
if a widespread perception that these assets may not be worth as much
as people want them to be(for whatever reason), the rush to the exits
will be an amazing thing to behold.
asset bubbles are really a matter of perception and they have nothing
to do with financial fundamentals. the manipulation of the the credit
and money supply to promote and maintain the bubble is quite evident.
confidence in that system is vital and should it ever be removed, the
whole structure will collapse until the excesses have been purged and
balance restored. there isn't anyone who can predict exactly when it
will happen, simply understand that it will happen and prepare as
your conscience dictates.

financial writer doug noland has some nice charts which illustrate
how severe the debt and credit expansion has become.
hopefully this link will work:
http://www.prudentbear.com/archive_comm_article.asp?
category=credit&#43;bubble&#43;bulletin&content_idx=9573

[alphacentauri_1999]

link note: click on the march 8, 2002 commentary to see the
revealing graphs on the debt expansion that has occurred in the u.s.

http://www.prudentbear.com/archive_comm_article.asp?

[William Foster]

<table bgcolor="#ffffff">
><font face="arial" size="2">i would certainly agree with you that the current p/e ratio's are way out of whack for many of the major stock indices and that we, and the world, are in for a financial fall.</font>
>
><font face="arial" size="2">however, i've made my living predicting the futures market using financial astrology and am a full time commodity trader. the nasdaq was a classic example. when it was at over 5,000 points it had it's saturn return (transiting saturn conjunct it's natal saturn) and there's nothing like a saturn return to bring things down to earth.</font>
>
><font face="arial" size="2">however, i trade very short term. less risk, more turnover on your capital and higher returns.</font>
>
><font face="arial" size="2">i don't think the japanese situation is the same as the u.s. but certainly agree with you when you say that things are not well with the u.s. and world economies.</font>
>
><font face="arial" size="2">the ascension will bring great changes from a financial, economic, social, political and geographic perspective.</font>
><font face="arial" size="2">yours,</font>
><font face="arial" size="2">bill foster</font>
>
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<tt>--- in asc2k@y..., "martinhnl" <mj.hoogenboezem@t...> wrote:

> if a stockmarket-bottom or crash could be predicted in advance,
> practically down to the day, shouldn't people be warned in
advance ??

ac:
it's doubtful anyone could predict the exact timing of a market
collapse. however, the symptoms are there well ahead of the crash.
the current u.s. stock market has never really undergone a correction
to clear out the excesses of the policies of the past 15 years.
only the nasdaq corrected and the overall stock market bubble is
alive and well as represented by the dow and s$p 500.
the bubble was initiated and is maintained by the irresponsible
creation of credit and misallocation of capital that the federal
reserve in particular encouraged. all credit booms eventually end in
bust. the question is how much longer the current system can be
propped up with new credit to keep the paper asset prices inflated.
that's the problem with credit produced asset bubbles. the system has
to constantly be injected with fresh infusions of easy and cheap money
(credit and debt) to maintain itself.
the japanese experience is the best recent example of what happens
when a credit and debt bubble bursts. japan had the same symptoms of
a stock and real estate bubble the u.s. has now.
japan's credit created financial bubble burst in the early 1990's and
they have yet to recover.
in the late 1980's the japanese were thought to be the financial
geniuses of the universe. now they are derided by u.s. officials as
not being smart enough to restimulate their economy.
the irony of this is that the current u.s. bubble makes the japanese
bubble look tiny.
naturally, u.s. pundits claim that u.s. markets are on sounder
footing and fundamentals than japan was. this is one of the biggest
lies sold to americans. americans are up to their eyeballs in debt
and are encouraged by officials to keep borrowing on their homes to
keep consuming more goods. the fed reserve lowered interest rates to
artificially low levels in order to accomodate this irresponsible
behavior. the 125% home equity loan is an obvious symptom of the type
of lunacy that is encouraged in america.
home mortgages and credit cards are issued to anyone with a pulse.
the u.s. housing market is now in a bubble just as the stock market
is. home values have become the piggy bank which many people use to
draw off more cash to keep spending and consuming.
credit created asset bubbles work wonderfully as long as confidence
is maintained and more credit is made available to keep it going and
prices rising. however, all credit bubbles eventually unwind
themselves to the same extent they inflated themselves. that's what
history and and the law of economics show us over and over again.

there is also a strong possibility that a derivitives accident will
occur in the future. j.p. morgan chase will be at the heart of that
debacle. all the symptoms of a very sick financial system are present
in the u.s. today.
the stock and housing markets are the economy in the u.s.
their price levels have to be maintained at all costs.
if a widespread perception that these assets may not be worth as much
as people want them to be(for whatever reason), the rush to the exits
will be an amazing thing to behold.
asset bubbles are really a matter of perception and they have nothing
to do with financial fundamentals. the manipulation of the the credit
and money supply to promote and maintain the bubble is quite evident.
confidence in that system is vital and should it ever be removed, the
whole structure will collapse until the excesses have been purged and
balance restored. there isn't anyone who can predict exactly when it
will happen, simply understand that it will happen and prepare as
your conscience dictates.

financial writer doug noland has some nice charts which illustrate
how severe the debt and credit expansion has become.
hopefully this link will work:
http://www.prudentbear.com/archive_comm_article.asp?
category=credit&#43;bubble&#43;bulletin&content_idx=9573
















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[William Foster]

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><font face="arial" size="2">great site. i'm a big bear on the economy. the debt in the world is huge and nobody seems to pay attention. the deflation we now see in japan will be a killer on those that owe. greenspan has to raise rates to keep all that foreign money in u.s. debt instruments. the unwinding of all this debt is going to be a thing to behold.</font>
><font face="arial" size="2">yours,</font>
><font face="arial" size="2">bill foster</font>
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[David Wilcock]

from: william foster [mailto:fosterwg@... (/group/asc2k/post?postid=5rme4qhjz0tbwm92njzxmgd4rquzctnxyjwvt7 irkcbzgrjgdsaqjfxixce3lvxyxrljcnrlwz5noae)]

>great site. i'm a big bear on the economy. the debt in the world is huge
and nobody seems to pay attention. the deflation we now see in japan will
be a killer on those that owe. greenspan has to raise rates to keep all
that foreign money in u.s. debt instruments. the unwinding of all this
debt is going to be a thing to behold.
yours,
bill foster

dw: i always encourage people to keep checking adam hamilton's writings at
www.zealllc.com. he has a humorous style of writing where each article sets
you up in a different way for the inevitable punchline that is his
trademark - making the obvious obvious, showing us where this is going.

regarding an earlier question about the discreteness of cowan's cycles, it
is important to remember that this is an exact science, but the problem lies
in identifying all the cycles that are at work and determining exactly how
they affect any particular market. i do strongly recommend that if someone
really wants to get into this, they invest $1g and get the series of cowan
books and the cycletimer software program, which allows you to do most of
the calculations that are required much, much more easily than any other
method that has come about in the past.

as for the future and when and where, my advice has always remained the
same. buy gold in small-denominational coins, keep it where you have access
to it and completely forget about it. better to go for numismatics
(preferably pre-1900s european such as napoleon iiis) as most of the public
has no respect for gold bullion anymore and would hardly blink if an
"emergency" gold recall was called. the last time this happened, numismatics
were not on the list. i would say that about the only definite thing in this
situation is that gold will probably at least double in its overall value,
perhaps triple or more. the small denominations are important so that you
spend money in about $200 dollar increments, no more.

there is absolutely no doubt that we will see these circumstances unfold in
our future. the higher forces have actually been quite surprised at the
resiliency of american optimism in the face of all evidence to the contrary,
but that can't hold out much longer either. remember that the japanese
situation gets fully on the table as of april 1, and that as of january 2001
my sources had seen this coming summer as the beginning of the "bottom" for
world markets. that could still flex further into the future, but it was the
strongest probability at that time.

peace be with you -

- david

[Sunny One]

chris mentioned this was folly and i agree.
but it doesn't require prediction to make dough.
it takes knowing when the odds are heavily
weighted in your favor, like black jack.
there are sacred tools that facilitate prediction
of turningpoints, no doubt about it. the
successful execution of a trading business
includes turningpoint analysis that flags these
points and risk management systems that keep you
out of the risk of ruin scenarios. this is a
skilled profession with many psychological barriers
but has led to the amassing of great fortunes.
again, it doesn't require perfect prediction,
only knowing when the odds are in your favor.
having strategies that enable you to go bull, bear,
neutral, or stay out is a large advantage over just
being bullish, which is how most people trade.
pat

--- martinhnl <mj.hoogenboezem@... (/group/asc2k/post?postid=gepdiodz904xbnlmgzjj_nqoglqq-ehilj3kuplj5mr4scgsn93s4pymfjmpbshpkytgwe1szzrcfyd bnr9u)> wrote:
> hi david and group,
>
> i'm new here, although i've posted a few massages
> before without
> introducing. forgive me, please.
> nevertheless i'm still reading and processing the
> stuff mentally
> (mindblowing), which is the main reason for my
> unpersonal
> participation.
>
> anyway, while reading "shift of ages" i came across
> the next:
>
>
> "based on cowan's advanced calculations that combine
> price and time
> as a whole, both the crash of 1929 and 1987 could be
> predicted in
> advance, practically down to the day, by this
> cubical structure. and
> as of may 1999, the potential for the next major
> downward trend had
> begun, in terms of geometry, though it has not been
> as steep as the
> others thus far -- but even as this book is going to
> print in april
> of 2000, the market is experiencing jitters
> unprecedented since the
> crash of 1987.
>
> the last bit of information regarding bradley
> cowan's works that we
> need to mention at this time is why he calls these
> stock market
> cycles "four-dimensional." the reason for this is
> that in three
> dimensions, you cannot predict the future, merely
> study the past and
> observe the present. however, by accurately deducing
> the structure
> and movement of these higher-order geometries in
> advance, it is
> indeed possible to move outside of linear time and
> predict the future
> with great accuracy. therefore, since the geometries
> indeed forecast
> events that have yet to occur, they can be
> considered as fourth or
> even fifth-dimensional"
>
>
> if a stockmarket-bottom or crash could be predicted
> in advance,
> practically down to the day, shouldn't people be
> warned in advance ??
>
> david, being a member of the bradley cowan
> discussion-group (i
> presume), could know about this, i guess ? and, was
> the september
> 21st bottom last year predicted to the day ?
>
> if so, i could warn my family and friends in time
> ...
>
> peace,
>
>
> martin
>
> the netherlands
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


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[Sunny One]

jeremy's link to the octacrop,
http://ascension2000.com/octacrop.html
reminded me of this post, and cowan's magic.
the other weird thing was mention of
an august 11'99 eclipse in that article,
and a funny string of events that related
the "stairway to heaven" to may crop glyphs,
and that asteroid "lilith.".
all amusing coincidence that i've been avoiding.
now, i'll let it go...
pat
--- martinhnl <mj.hoogenboezem@... (/group/asc2k/post?postid=ntzjjt7sclftn73zlznlk4cc5wxscialli4dp8 sl8xbbtxsfr7slw5mjeyx7yopuyplxcbohhhmgbawagkk)> wrote:
> the last bit of information regarding bradley
> cowan's works that we
> need to mention at this time is why he calls these
> stock market
> cycles "four-dimensional." the reason for this is
> that in three
> dimensions, you cannot predict the future, merely
> study the past and
> observe the present. however, by accurately deducing
> the structure
> and movement of these higher-order geometries in
> advance, it is
> indeed possible to move outside of linear time and
> predict the future
> with great accuracy. therefore, since the geometries
> indeed forecast
> events that have yet to occur, they can be
> considered as fourth or
> even fifth-dimensional"


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