Could I be an 8th density wanderer?

[Enivid]

i've been pondering this for a while and can't but to think that we are the 8th density. the first shall be last and the last shall be first as the bible said. when we become all aware we end up here cause when we experience we are ying and yang and without experience we cannot exist within' existence. altough things will be very intresting regarding 2012. unimaginable in a very good way :).

we are the one infinte creator within' its creation experiencing itself subjectivley. all based on free will and love, everything else is an illusion, including the densities. we just cannot understand the whole concept yet.

what are your thoughts of the 8th density?

as i see it the 8th density is all information. and to experience it must forget all information, like we have done here on earth. there is no beginning and there is no ending, we just are. we should put our effort in service to self and others by changing the now to something much better for all.

we should work to change the reality we experience, but we can only change it through action. for every action there's reaction. today we see alot of negativity create theese reactions. isn't it time to start creating positive reactions?

- enivid

[Deerclan]

i resonate to that.

[mmariebored]

for every action there's reaction. today we see alot of negativity create theese reactions. isn't it time to start creating positive reactions?

the most popular movies for young people these days are the horror movies such as the saw series. i believe that what you put into your head is what you put out in 'action', perhaps not right away, but your mind is the building foundation to your future actions. in this case, it's no surprise there is so much violence in areas that have little to no standards as to what reaches the public's eyes and minds and i can't imagine a change for the better taking place so long as every demented artist's sick fantasies are allowed to reach the masses.

[MarkM]

i'd like to ask that we keep on topic within this thread, and within the loo. from a loo perspective, popular culture in all its forms is perhaps a reflection of that which exists in our collective psyche, which in turn may in some respects speak to the emergence of our collective shadow side - coming up for us to examine and illuminate.

in past ages within history, such expression by humanity, of humanity and for humanity has never had the unencumbered and 'un-censored' free reign that it has now. in past ages one's own 'dirty little secrets', urges, desires and perhaps darker predilections were required by society to be buried and denied, and never to be brought out into the open and shared, much less examined and accepted in the process of re-integration of self.

the present age is, if nothing else, replete with the free expression of our individual and collective projected shadow issues out into the open. from the loo perspective, this could well be interpreted as a positive step, notwithstanding those who indulge in pop culture's projections for an ever-looping cycling through self-gratification.

it strikes me that after all these centuries of wars and any number of degrading horrors that man has foisted upon himself, the free 'dramatization' of these things in the present may well be akin to an individual beginning the process of uncovering his repressed shadow side. this does seem to necessitate the re-experiencing of the attendant emotions and virtual re-living of certain repressed, painful issues of the past - hopefully, not projecting the full blown reality of the past into the present, with tragic results.

the law of one teaches that all experiencing, across the full spectrum of pleasurable to unpleasurable, has as it's purpose the catalysing of spiritual growth. no experience can be isolated and seen to be absolutely bad, or evil - there is only opportunity for growth. in that we have been entirely free to choose the manner of our experiencing, we have not been free to escape the effects we have put into motion. thus can any 'bad' situation be seen to indicate an effect of our chioce of experiencing, a finger pointing to the non-loving nature of our choices, and be seen to be our own creation.

through a long series of trial-and-error choices of experiencing, along with the oft-attendant unsavory resulting conditions, we gradually learn to choose a means of experiencing more in line with the basic operating principles of nature/the universe. (read 'love';))

when one comes to accept responsibility for this process as an acknowledged creator of all of one's own circumstance, one may begin to look at such things as the current state of society and popular culture from the framework of this law of one viewpoint. here, there is (in the wider loo scheme) nothing but simple cause and effect on a mass scale here in 3d, creating a complex pattern of catalyst for the spiritual evolution on mankind on this planet.

implicit in the name, law of one, is the invitation to look at life's situations from an ever-widening framework, wherein there is a call to view the infinitely diverse experiencing of life as having one over-arching and unified purpose.

we can debate the relative merits of catalysing experiencing until the cows come home; yet i offer the view that every piece of experiencing by humanity in 3d has a uniformly common purpose of uplifting us to a place of utilizing our creative powers in a manner where we have learned to create with more responsibility, thus achieving eventually the next level in the octave of experience and creativity - namely, 4d.

8d to me is the first and the last, in the sense of an octave; wherein the creative principles have grown to encompass all, and at the same 'time' individuate back down to 1d essence, devoid of experiencing, ready to experience evolution again after an eternity/instant of encompassing and being the entire creation. it's like for a moment, you experience your turn at being the creator, having gradually merged and united with every one and everything while still being you, and then in a great climactic moment of re-creation, you spread out across the universe, individuating, to experience and create it again. just my simplistic musings, don't take me seriously!:o

it makes sense that if love is a major aspect of the fabric of the operating universe, the mastery of love through the afore-mentioned trial and error method we see so prevalant here would result in ever greater forums for creativity.

familiarity with the law of one entails practice with taking the relativistic issues of our lives and viewing them through the prism of this understanding. this is not to say that we detach from our issues, as we all got 'em! but it helps to widen one's frame of view.

better cut it short, or the mods will be after me. mark

[twva]

i'd like to ask that we keep on topic within this thread, and within the loo. from a loo perspective, popular culture in all its forms is perhaps a reflection of that which exists in our collective psyche, which in turn may in some respects speak to the emergence of our collective shadow side - coming up for us to examine and illuminate.

it's funny, because on the one hand it seems that you're exactly right, that popular culture gives us an opportunity to examine, love, accept, and forgive our shadow side. and yet on the other hand it seems also to be true that popular culture is replete with opportunities for distraction, anonymity, and sleep. ra said that the influence of green-ray energy has caused many who haven't developed yellow ray properly to seek once more the self (http://lawofone.info/results.php?session_id=41#13) (orange ray) and a lot of popular culture seems to be expressions of that.

so i think you're right that popular culture can be the catalyst for spiritual growth. the trick is to become aware that you want it to, and that's hard to do from within popular culture.

it almost seems like there is a social versus individual thing going on. for any one individual, popular culture is possibly overwhelming in the volume and continuousness of the stimulus it provides, and it's hard to step back and see the forest for the trees while still being a part of the culture. but for the nascent social memory complex, popular culture does seem to be doing what you suggest -- bringing the shadow into the light.


8d to me is the first and the last, in the sense of an octave; wherein the creative principles have grown to encompass all, and at the same 'time' individuate back down to 1d essence, devoid of experiencing, ready to experience evolution again after an eternity/instant of encompassing and being the entire creation. it's like for a moment, you experience your turn at being the creator, having gradually merged and united with every one and everything while still being you, and then in a great climactic moment of re-creation, you spread out across the universe, individuating, to experience and create it again. just my simplistic musings, don't take me seriously!:oi think your musings are informative. my sense is that there is a timeless period between the completion of one octave and the beginning of another, so i think that you get to be the creator for what seems to be an eternity, until you as creator are ready to create again. i'm guessing that you don't experience it as you in the sense of being aware of yourself in any way as separate. your awareness is the creator's at that point, all of your selves are equally you, if that makes sense -- you are markm and you are twva and everything else.

[ayadew]

in 8th density i hope to understand why the creator exists.

[Tenet Nosce]

i've been pondering this for a while and can't but to think that we are the 8th density.

while a gross oversimplification, i conceive of the 8th density as kind of like when you finish a video game and unlock a "new game plus" feature. creation starts all over again, but with features and abilities available to the creator which weren't accessible the first time around.

[alchemikey]

well since ra didn't really even attempt to describe 8th density this should be fun :)

my take on this is that there is an intelligent infinity that is unpotentiated and there is an intelligent infinity that is potentiated...the latter being just a small portion that taps into the unpotentiated intelligent infinity to form a focus

i like to think that after this entire creation of potentiated intelligent infinity coalesces back into the soup of all that is then that portion of intelligent infinity goes back to rest to become the soil and seed for another portion of unpotentiated intelligent infinity to become potentiated as the next creation...in this way there is always a perfect balance between the known and unknown, the manifest and unmanifest, etc...

something like that :p

peace,
mikey

[Enivid]

in 8th density i hope to understand why the creator exists.

if you mean creator as "the one infinte creator" and hence why you exist. the answer is simple: its inevitable. why? you just do. you just are, have always been and will always be. :)

it is possible know the answer to your question now, by just going inside yourself through the pineal gland and chakras and ask you subconscious 'higher-self' this yourself.

but you will need balance in your life.

we (as in the infinite creator) always exist and always will. we experience 'now' because of free will of forgetting everything. and without forgetting there is no potential to experience and learn.

all we do is experiencing, and all is based on one rule: free will.

there's always the choice to become one, but the real fun is the eternal play of ying and yang, or the consciousness/subconsciusness

:)

- enivid

[Enivid]

since i am a programmer i simply did what i loved to do as a kid - learn the programming.

so, anyone else that knows the code for creation and what we can do to create a better world?

the best advice i can give is that only you know what to do. but don't forget where you come from, or your family, nor your friends. seek love in every moment.

if you too study the code, please pm me.

or ask a question about the code. i can't say anything unless someone asks, because of free will :).

best regards
enivid

[Enivid]

in 8th density i hope to understand why the creator exists.

intresting thought. why do the creator exist? i think that noone knows, its just is that way. infinite intelligence has always existed, it wasn't created nor will it be destroyed. it always was and always will be. no beginning nor no ending.

we are the infinite energy living side to side with the infinite intelligence. the infinite intelligence is undifferentiated and we are differentiated.

infinite energy creates the infinite possibilites of the infinite creator/intelligence. the infininte creator is everything and is therefore not experiencing anything subjectivley, it is everything, it is undifferentiated.

infinite energy is the potential of the infinite creator/intelligence.

we are the perfect creation within' the perfect creation :). an image of the infinite creator shown with infinite energy.

- enivid

[Eric The Viking]

"the first shall be last and the last shall be first"

this statement to me...is the definition of infinity; is not the number 8 the sign of infinity? ;)

loo material says that the eight density is the end of that octive, then one moves on to the next octive; this progression goes on infinitly.

i feel that in the eight density your consciousness is rooted in: the past, present and future all at the same time.

[Deambor]

the question is great. i'm not sure there is an answer though. even ra couldn't say much about the 8th -it is way too incomprehensible even for the the 6th density. they did say, as i recall, that this octave is just one of many. infinity is truly iunfathomable.

as for me, even graduating to the 4th is still filled with questions and, shall we say, concerns. so i'm thinking - let me get to the 4th first, then i explore the vastness of other ds.

love all

deambor

[Enivid]

i feel that the 6th is more my home.. but i wan't to dwell on a planet and i get the feeling the the 6th dimension beings don't do that? still we're all our selfs in all densities. i am me in the 3rd, the 4th, the 5th all the way to the 8th.

i am looking forward to the 4th density planet, it will be amazing beyond comprehension! :)

life is simply put amazing, and it truly is a mystery :)

much love & peace
- enivid

[metaman]

i just started reading the law of one channeled info on the www.lawofone.info site. the questioner in the sessions did not ask many questions about the 8th density. ra stated that all of the entities on the council of nine that preside of the galactic federation of light reside in the 8th density of saturn.

i looked further into the 8th density subject using my own intuitive methods a while back before i read any of the ra channeled material. what i came up with was that the 8th density is where consciousness starts to integrate with the multiverse. in otherwords, this is the density where parallel universes can be detected from. not the same as parallel time lines.

if you look on the lawofone.info site they have a couple of queries under the category of parallel universes. in my opinion the information that ra submitted in that section did not have anything to do with parallel universes. it had to do with parallel time lines within our local universe. the parallel universes may be completely different.

[Enivid]

thanks for sharing that information metaman. it's quite intriguing that the council is represented by nine. i see number nine as the completion of all possible existences yet to be aware one must be separated from "allness" or complete oneness. the oneness is undifferntiated and to experience one must be differentiated.

maybe the council of nine represents that deep wisdom of total understanding. i do believe that we will be able to tap this source of knowing it all so to speak.

or does it represent 9 all knowing creators? like i said: intriguing. and from my personal work its very intriguing.. thanks again for sharing metaman. please share more if you read more about the 8th density!

best regards and much love
- enivid

[Enivid]

i've come to the conclusion that time is an illusion and that i - the one i am - is composed of memories of what i've experienced. i am not a human but a soul having a human experience through a mind / body / spirit complex with which i amuse myself :)

it feels like we are being prepared to have eternal life and that we are the infinite one with unigue personalities to live forever togheter and enjoy an ever expanding reality of spacetime and timespace.

i don't ponder as much as i used to do on the densities, i feel like i am the one infinite creator and that the laws of one where my creation. i am forever grateful to all of humankind, david wilcock, carla rueckert, ra, don miguel ruiz and all other sources that have shared their wisdom on life.

we are the chosen ones to live forever and life has only begun for us.

we are the one infininte creator at all times and we are sharing this reailty / dream and now we are about to make it perfect without violence, greed and corruption. we live in the last days, a period of purification like the mayas said.

ra said that they will forget their identity and memory when entering the 8th density. i do believe that we all have recently done that, and some of us did it more recently then others. and this time we have perfected the understanding of the universe. we are in other words already home and soon we will be able to dwell anywhere within our one infinite universe :)

much love!
- enivid

[LordDragon]

@ enivid


i feel that the 6th is more my home.. but i wan't to dwell on a planet and i get the feeling the the 6th dimension beings don't do that?

that is not a law. you are free to dwell the planet. but maybe you should consider this. if you come out of 6d you should have the memory to use the abillity of traveling with the astral body. it's cheap, it goes fast, and you can go everywhere even in the inside of a mountain. :)


we are the chosen ones to live forever and life has only begun for us.

i agree that life is infinit, you life forever. for people who can remember former lifes it's logic, i am around in this universe from day one. and i will be forever.

@ metaman


i looked further into the 8th density subject using my own intuitive methods a while back before i read any of the ra channeled material. what i came up with was that the 8th density is where consciousness starts to integrate with the multiverse. in otherwords, this is the density where parallel universes can be detected from. not the same as parallel time lines.


thats a very nice insight you have their. but from ra's point of vieuw there is no real difference between a parralel timeline or a parralel universe.
a parralel time line is part of a parralel universe, and a parralel universe will have a parralel time line in it. so when you speak of one of them you always have the other with it.

but youre right when you say the 8 d is a big crossroad where all lines from all sorts of worlds and all of the 7 densities come togheter. first you had to learn how to play the notes, now you can play the octave.

blessings, ld.

[Enivid]

i've been contemplating something that ra said about the 7th density:
"ra: at the 7th level or dimension, we shall. if our humble efforts are sufficient, become one with all, thus having no memory, no identity, no past or future, but existing in the all. (b1,153)"

from my research into science and quantum physics i've come to understand that there is only one moment and everything is happening at the same time. i saw a documentary called time (from bbc) where i learned that from the view of quantum physics time could move backwards and that time was an illusion.

now, if i loose my memory, my identity, my past and my future then what i see as me wouldn't exist, the very 'i' wouldn't exist. and i do exist, so i have not lost my memory. but i did loose it before i was born into this world. and when thinking about past lifes i can't help but think that all experiences that have been are my experiences, i just don't remember them. cause i love in the 'now' and in 3rd density i'm born without memory of past-lifes.

i've contemplated and meditated on this fact that i must be everlasting. then what happens when i reach 7th density?

i have no fear and i do trust our infinite creator and our loving creation, but maybe i've already gone through the octave? and then ended up here?

from what i feel i feel that i recently was everything and forgot it to be able to experience it and thanks to ra, and the structure of densities i've again found myself in the spacetime. i try to see myself in all others, bad and good, and i love everything. i try not to judge and i try to give love to all - even thoose ruling this planet in a negative way. i feel bad for them cause i love them so much and i want them to feel the great joy of loving others :)

something very profound i've learned from edgar cayce and carl jung is that we are a consciousness with a subconsciousness and beyond this we have the super subconsciousness (which is oneness). and this super subconsciousness becomes our subconsciousness when we die and then our consciousness will be our current subconsciousness.

the super subconsciousness and subconsciousness are dependent on eachother and co-exist like ying/yang. but real death is to forget this and then we end up here in space and time where we remember ourselves.

i would like to have a discussion around this. how can we exist if we will forget ourselves?

i see us as universes living within' the creation of oneness. there is only oneness and everything is this oneness.

whatever will happen i'm sure its shrouded in somekind of magic and mystery. but its fun to think about it. :)

lots of love!
- enivid

[SONOFMAN]

isn't it difficult to ponder and describe concepts that exist without space and time?

from what i can tell, we exist in all densities already. as we would progress through these densities space and time will,i am assuming, become less and less a function that we require to be aware. there would come a point where moving through time in a lower density would be akin to stepping to the side while moving in space would be merely a perspective more than actually moving oneself. from all of that i would guess that any wanderer from higher densities like the 5th and up may well have an innate feeling of timelessness and boundless ability to love that they cannot quite put their finger on.

as far as forgetting ourselves, yeah we will...eventually. yet if even a 6th density entity can still differentiate different aspects of itself that were once individual, it will be millions upon millions of our years before we destroy the ego, the "i", that we cling so tightly to right now.

[GuideMySpirit]

thats a good topic you bring up, personally i think there really is no grasping it with our current unenlightened minds because there is no reason to do it at this time. the whole purpose of this density is to discover your personal i am experience and to truly learn your lessons.

we are all one, like you said, so there already is no separation it's only (the) ego that makes you feel this way, and makes you afraid of losing it's (ego) identity. when you have reached the point of enlightenment you will feel this oneness, or even at death.

but personally i don't think there is a way to grasp a higher dimension because you are experiencing one much lower for a different reason.

[Sammy Six String]

i will just say this... as this is truth for me, because of my experiences. all things are possible and the only things that aren't are because of our own limitations in thought. remove the boundaries or limitations and the multiverse is available to anyone, like it always has been. :)

[daguitri]

hey, i don't know if this will help, but [please pm for name], as well as different astrological guides, including the law of one, explicitly make references to soul being incarnated into this plane that ride the wave of the "violet current" wherein they have already been through their incarnet training ground before, and are here specifically to help raise the vibration. then again, these souls are rare, but i would assume one doesn't just leapfrog over all the densities that are there to learn from after this phase is over with, whether it be 4th positive, 6th, or even the one ra resides in. best of luck in your endeavor.

[denisfor]

my dear enivid, loosing identity and memory is only a temporary experience corresponding to what some call cosmic consciousness.

this is a prelude to soul consciousness or self-realization.

the real self is like a drop of water in a big ocean of love and mercy.

this drop of water can be diluted but it also can keep is cohesion like a gas bubble in water.

its your choice. i prefer keeping my identity forged by millions of years in the physical world. denisfor

[AmentiHall]

we do exist in all these states already...see you could say, our higher self is our future self, but it is also you pre-existence! ahhh paradoxes? mean nothing in places where there is no time.

we are, slowly but surely, coming back into the lifting of the forgetfulness, and back into unity. as we go up, we merge more and more with other parts of ourselves....including people on this planet. in your current form even- you are existing in multitudes of time vectors and manifestation. not to mention, the blueprint for yourself as the current person (individual soul), exists in multiple densities already :)

your physical self is just the projection of these other parts of you.

we just haven't woken up to it conscously, in this incarnation...in one sense, you are already a wanderer, and in another, you have not yet gotten there :) that time will come, sooner than you think (because time is an illusion).

we all will, re-evolve back into unity, back into one eventually. no matter which path you take.

take care.

[Air-Wick]

well, if you look at densities like a musical scale, then it would be something like

c d e f g a b
1 2 3 4 5 6 7

and then after the 7th scale degree, it goes back to c in the next octave and repeats, so the way i think of it, is that the 8th density is sort of the 1st density in the octave above our own.

but, i think it's entirely possible to be a wanderer from any density above our own, but i'm not entirely sure it's possible to be one from the 8th density, but hey, who knows right? lol.

[samncheese]

i can't help but think about the story told by an insider of military personel that have traveled through time, and at a certain moment they hit a bump. for just that few seconds they are one with everything that is. i think that that moment is the highest density, or a glimps at it. i think that a wanderer that is ready for it could stay there if they wished.

[evolving]

how can we exist if we will forget ourselves?
we only forget on one level of our existence, in order to be able to use catalyst in a faster and more efficient way. our higher self and future self do not forget the knowledge, though the experience falls away as unnecessary.



and then after the 7th scale degree, it goes back to c in the next octave and repeats, so the way i think of it, is that the 8th density is sort of the 1st density in the octave above our own.
first and eighth densities are as one. these are the densities that are of pure love and consciousness, being one with the one infinite creator. they just are. if you are a rock, you are first or eighth density :d


but, i think it's entirely possible to be a wanderer from any density above our own, but i'm not entirely sure it's possible to be one from the 8th density, but hey, who knows right? lol.
most wanderers here are in a small part from the fourth, but mostly from the sixth density. one can also gain "wanderer" status in this density by being ready for ascendancy prior to harvest.

[noppy]

your not an 8th density wanderer, your a walking universe that is all of those density toghter !!

[Nitro]

i fail to understand what most people here mean by "wanderer", but i assume it has something to do with some individuals on earth who are originally from elsewhere and i think this assumption makes no sense whatsoever.

to me, this is just a disguised way of saying: "i'm special and more evolved than others on this planet", which is not true. you may think that you are more evolved than someone else just because you are more aware than they are or you have been here for a longer period of time. we're all precious souls and we're all equal. it's just that those whom you think to be "not evolved" may just be new to this galaxy and want to stay longer in the lower densities.

i don't disagree with the fact that there are many humanoid bodies on earth that originated on other planets and even other galaxies. however, they're nothing more than just genetic space suits. yes, some of them may have been imported from other places but it doesn't mean that the souls that occupied those bodies differ from those of earthlings' bodies. we're all equal souls and we've chosen earth as our place to evolve, learn and experience. on the soul level, we're all ets. that's all.

i know there are many races out there who think they're more advanced and/or powerful than others. what they don't realize is that it is only true in the lower physical densities. that is perhaps the reason we don't fully remember our past lives. it would be overwhelming to live a life on earth knowing all the knowledge from planets and galaxies you've lived on before.

many people claim to be "wanderers" and then talk about how ultimately we're all one and interconnected. well, if that is true, then every single one of us is a wanderer and we're all the same.

[evolving]

i fail to understand what most people here mean by "wanderer", but i assume it has something to do with some individuals on earth who are originally from elsewhere and i think this assumption makes no sense whatsoever.

to me, this is just a disguised way of saying: "i'm special and more evolved than others on this planet", which is not true. you may think that you are more evolved than someone else just because you are more aware than they are or you have been here for a longer period of time. we're all precious souls and we're all equal. it's just that those whom you think to be "not evolved" may just be new to this galaxy and want to stay longer in the lower densities.

i don't disagree with the fact that there are many humanoid bodies on earth that originated on other planets and even other galaxies. however, they're nothing more than just genetic space suits. yes, some of them may have been imported from other places but it doesn't mean that the souls that occupied those bodies differ from those of earthlings' bodies. we're all equal souls and we've chosen earth as our place to evolve, learn and experience. on the soul level, we're all ets. that's all.

i know there are many races out there who think they're more advanced and/or powerful than others. what they don't realize is that it is only true in the lower physical densities. that is perhaps the reason we don't fully remember our past lives. it would be overwhelming to live a life on earth knowing all the knowledge from planets and galaxies you've lived on before.

many people claim to be "wanderers" and then talk about how ultimately we're all one and interconnected. well, if that is true, then every single one of us is a wanderer and we're all the same.

your ego appears to be interfering with you acceptance of what is, brother. being a wanderer is in no way meant to reflect being better, for you are correct in that we are all one, yet that is when we began, and when we attain the 8th density. until then and from the 3rd to 6th densities, we experience and strive to remove distortion.

each is on their own path, and in that is no right or wrong or better or worse. many may incarnate several hundred times prior to ascension, yet others many less times, though each does have to go through the process of removing distortion from the self in order to ascend. after ascension, one may choose to return to the 3rd density to learn lessons which were not learned prior to ascension.

this third density self is only but one self, for each has a sixth density higher self (future self) that gives us direction and helps us program our incarnate experiences. a wanderer is that which has attained a higher density, yet seeks to remove distortion and be of service, so may choose to return to this third density, for this density is very intense as compared to other densities. think of it like this. to ascend to the 4th density, one needs to be 51% sto or 95% sts. i will only speak of sto for the remainder of this analogy. having attained 51%, one may ascend, but that still leaves 49% distortion. during the 4th density, it may become apparent that one desires to ascend to the 5th, yet much distortion might remain which might take a very long time to remove. "wandering" back to the third density and removing those distortions which remain will speed the time in which one may ascend to the 5th.

please feel free to read the law of one (http://www.lawofone.info/), where ra explains all about the wanderer, and please continue to post your opinions and thoughts. this is a learning experience for us all :) no matter where we are from.

[noppy]

why do we need to learn lessons? cwg says that their is nothing for us to learn but only to remember because all the wisedom of the universe is imprinted on our soul. and life is not a school but an proccess of creating and remembering who you are and who you wish to be. their ain't no such thing as karma . and the reason why we forget everything about our self has to do with our souls agenda not something that is happen in de world of fysicality. that we all are e.t. and we all have been trou all the density's that exist, all the life experience that can be created.

cwg and loo are saying diffrent things. one has an conversation with god and the other has an conversation with an still evolving being. what if ra is wrong? everybody lives life on what they have been thaught and information that is possible to get. not just we but others aswel. we all go to the sources that are out side of us, books, internet, people. but never that is within us, our soul. the souls knows everything that exist. so why not go to her? and knowing isn't enough for her so she wants to experience.

people oftent say that it is necesary to learn lessons like if you fall of a bike, you don;t do it agian because of the experience. but we are not our past, it can be the root of our problems but that is not were our growth lies. the higher self is saying that when that happend we need to go to our highest feeling. not to some past experience that no longer exist.

[clairead]

wow noppy!
and you are how old? ;) what great questions, what great insights. i did est and basicaly erhard was saying the same thing. way to go! you're beautifful.

someone will answer with reasons for karma, i'm sure, self-karma and evolving, but all that is only true and valid from a particular vibrational or density level. when you look at existence from a different density level - 6/7 - everything you are saying is true.

peace and love,
kelly

[Purple Dragon]

why do we need to learn lessons? cwg says that their is nothing for us to learn but only to remember because all the wisedom of the universe is imprinted on our soul. and life is not a school but an proccess of creating and remembering who you are and who you wish to be. their ain't no such thing as karma . and the reason why we forget everything about our self has to do with our souls agenda not something that is happen in de world of fysicality. that we all are e.t. and we all have been trou all the density's that exist, all the life experience that can be created.

personally, i think this is the same thing that ra is saying. isn't remembering just another form of learning? why would we choose to forget everything just to learn to remember it? i think it is the experience of remembering that we are learning.


cwg and loo are saying diffrent things. one has an conversation with god and the other has an conversation with an still evolving being.

it all depends what your perception is, and we all have to make that choice for ourselves, but one could say these 2 conversations are with the same thing as ra says that we are all the creator/god and from my experience with cwg (only saw the movie), the one lady at the end said "reading the book didn't make me believe that you had conversations with god, it made me realize i was having them as well" which could be taken as we are all god/creator and the "voices" we hear is our higher selves helping guide us through this existence to learn / remember the reasons why we are here


what if ra is wrong? everybody lives life on what they have been thaught and information that is possible to get. not just we but others aswel. we all go to the sources that are out side of us, books, internet, people. but never that is within us, our soul. the souls knows everything that exist. so why not go to her? and knowing isn't enough for her so she wants to experience.

with oneness in mind, all information out there is coming from ourselves, helping ourselves to remember we are here to make a choice


people oftent say that it is necesary to learn lessons like if you fall of a bike, you don;t do it agian because of the experience. but we are not our past, it can be the root of our problems but that is not were our growth lies. the higher self is saying that when that happend we need to go to our highest feeling. not to some past experience that no longer exist.

past/present/future doesn't really exist, only now exists. it is the experience of "now" that we are here for, each and every moment counts. this existence is just based on "time" so we can have the opportunity to experience different things. if we knew the story, the incentive of reading every page diminishes. live, laugh & love. experience now so that when we remember, we can all remember each others experiences.

l&l

pd

[noppy]

alright now we know all of this information. why don't we change the world than !! : d: d

make an end to hunger, wars, diffrence between rich and poor. let slowly money dissspear from the world. diseases are cured in an instant. school system and government needs to have a big change. let everybody in the world know the truth about everything. teach psychic ability and sprituality.

we can do this, by tomorrow the world can change into paradise !!!!!! it's not we can not make an end to it, it's because we don't want it. so i think everybody on this site wants to change the world so what is stopping you !!?

we are trying to change this crazy world but children don't come far because the 'grown-up' don't listen and they are the oness that control the world and have the power to change it with the speed of thought. so we are asking you guys, who are atleast spritual.

life isn't meant to be like that, isn't there an other way to live our lives? if it is karma than can we not ask the universe to change the rules cause it is killing us? how can we let millions of people die and yet bring millions of new born to the world?< what kind of an insanity is that? this planet is not a living planet, it's a dying.

we are asking because we are the future of the human race. the future and the hope lies within the children. we need to know the anwser about the choices you grown-ups made. it didn't helped the world to an better place but we atleast know what to chose not if we wanna change the world.

[Purple Dragon]

alright now we know all of this information. why don't we change the world than !! : d: d

i don't think we need to change the world, we need to change ourselves and that will in turn change the world. a great quote i came across that relates to this:


"when i was young and free and my imagination had no limits, i dreamed of changing the world. as i grew older and wiser, i discovered the world would not change, so i shortened my sights somewhat and decided to change only my country. but it too seemed immovable. as i grew into my twilight years, in one last desperate ...attempt, i settled for changing only my family, those closest to me, but alas they would have none of it. and now as i lay on my deathbed, i suddenly realize: if i had only changed myself first, then by example i might have changed my family. from their inspiration and encouragement, i would then have been able to better my country and who knows, i may have even changed the world."

written on the tomb of an anglican bishop (1100 a.d.)in the crypts of westminster abbey

it is each persons choice whether they want to do this or not, and we cannot force anyone to act out of love if they choose not to. we can only let as many people as we know in on the light and let them choose the path they want to walk. we can make a huge difference just by believing in ourselves and gaia, the rest will naturally follow. it may not seem like it now, but we are moving into a better world, and it will happen. we just need to have faith and work on ourselves and share our love with those around us. soon it will catch on like wild fire and spread over the world, and it will change.

l&l

pd

[maryv]

wonderful answer purple dragon--such a well-placed quote. ultimately we should work to be the best we can be, in our own capacity--and become an example that we ourselves can admire. the same principal which allows the sts {service to self} path, also supports the premise behind this wise quote. good work on yourself = good work for all.

[conundrum]

let everybody in the world know the truth about everything. teach psychic ability and sprituality.


just pretend that those around you already know the truth and already have psychic abilities ect and see how you go keep your thoughts happy and joyful regardless of whom or what scenario's you experience.

[conundrum]

i fail to understand what most people here mean by "wanderer", but i assume it has something to do with some individuals on earth who are originally from elsewhere and i think this assumption makes no sense whatsoever.

to me, (((((this is just a disguised way))))) of saying: "i'm special and more evolved than others on this planet""

i am a blue colour worker i am a post man i am a tele marketer i am a lawyer i am a cook
i am a police man i am a artist i am a musician i am a executive i am a mother i am a brother i am a sister i am a cat i am a dog i am a sheep i am a wolf i am a leader i am a follower i am brave i am afraid i am a wanderer.

do you see any where in that list i'm special and more evolved than others on this planet ?

david mentions in one of his audio's some thing about a wandering mind and mentions that meditating may be beneficial .

[Enivid]

i recently got the insight that we're all wanderers since our souls come from the infinite. but the term wanderer also means thoose who choose as ascended beings to come back to help. what we've done and created is infinite amazingness :).

i quite alot just look at creation in awe. its just amazing and i feel unconditional love everywhere.

our higher self is the us that choosed to come here, and we're mergin but we were always one. since we are aware we are now awoken, and become wanderers (find our "alien" self). alien in this cause meaning intelligence from a recent future that's coming back to where they lost connection to the source.

the negative path took over creation and now we've become aware in the time where everything the negative path took creation so we can take it back (and this we've done, through the negativity). we're living in the most extraordinary times we can imagine! what we have and what will come is absolutley amazing beyond amazement.

we've learned the opposite to this and are now ready to live with bliss, and also make sure we help thoose that are learning, since its very easy to get lost and enslaved, even by yourself (remember, all is one, evil = good, good = evil). but only good last, and that's why we've come back from the future and incarnated by following the law of free will.

- enivid

[Enivid]

at the same time i wrote it and just hit submit i heard in my headphones "future's the past", quite a funny synchronicity :)

(it was from a song by k-os and the song was: hallelujah http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ae--ckoohma)