David Wilcock
03-13-2002, 11:56 PM
from: "sirbiotech" <sirbiotech@... (/group/asc2k/post?postid=ysz0fgxfddz5uumu6p4ts4hmq7rlrlippxot68 gbqkinwh27-fpk_n1v3dr-bidvcsrbmfr3wi336a)>
> i have to say, that ra's perspective on desire is actually not in
> tune with my own understanding. in fact based on the quote below, it
> may actually be characterized as a negative or misguided teaching.
> i'll take the liberty of saying this now, i am not really finding
> some of ra's teachings as wise as one would expect from a being
> supposedly so evolved.
dw: hmm... seems we hit a nerve. all good discussions seem to start with
someone getting agitated, sounding off - hence my choice of emphasizing this
most difficult passage to truly understand. it is definitely shock-proof and
a complete, integrated teaching, but it takes a great deal of internal
process to see it, and i like to present challenges, not beads and sandals
feelgood curiosity-feeding material - there's plenty of places to find such
content, and that's not the most useful at this time, given the extremes of
catalyst that we're now in. i'm actually surprised we didn't get more people
willing to get a little belligerent, frankly. oh well, one good one is more
than enough, and once i step up to the plate then the rest of you lurkers
can join in...
so, since it's been "blame ra week" lately, it would seem... what are you
all feeling that you need as a group, in general, that you are not getting?
1. are the changes starting to freak you out and, perhaps, you're indulging
in fear and worry, and not feeling that this implicitly free-will based
perspective is comforting enough?
2. are you afraid to let us know that you're afraid? what about letting
yourself know?
3. are you self-conscious about speaking your true feelings, with the
implicit perception that you'll be judged?
4. do you think that i should show more concern that i do, especially with
the prophecies as given?
ask yourself whether it is ultimately better to exist in a state of fear or
trust and you'll get the answer. remember the cayce quote that said, "you
will know the moment has arrived when even the lightworkers are down on
their knees." i'd say it's getting pre-tty darn close; hence my focus is on
teaching acceptance of the real instead of pining away for a fantasy that
the catalyst will stop. it won't! check out smelyakov's cycle again if you
need proof - the website is now up: www.timeofglobalshift.com
so if you're hurting, it's ok to speak honestly about it. if you think i'm
all distorted, fine... fire away. again - to defend oneself is to reinforce
the perception that there is something in need of defense. just be aware of
my ongoing observation that almost all attacks at me and / or the work are
projections. dr. perls, founder of gestalt therapy, said that analyzing
projection is the single most effective way to reveal a person's own
subconscious issues. a client says, "oh, you're not really listening to me,
you just think i'm a tramp for all those men i slept with." in that case the
subconscious is not listening to its own self-judgment over previous
experiences.
so, here in our public environment, people often work out their own
self-issues by creating straw men out of who they think i am or what i / we
have taught and then blowing them down. if they're too belligerent about it,
then they end up violating the free will of the majority and along comes the
ban - which thankfully has only been used on less than five distinct people.
one personal case in point, (most commonly coming my way from cayce / are
folks who do not really want him to come back unless he is exactly the
same,) is that whenever a person begins to get more integrated, they become
fearless - and "true freedom is often seen by those not free as negative or
evil." most on the 4d level are innate martyrs, i.e. not free but shackled
to the idol of mass-consciousness-perceived obligation, and therefore are
not very good public speakers or leaders as they feel obligated to be meek,
humble, self-effacing, damagingly poor, etc. "if you're not a martyr then
you're not spiritual" is the subconscious bias.
those who do occupy such public roles are typically your service-to-self
varieties, such as politicians. hence, some will say, "oh, you have such a
big ego." that is the projection part - the ego is in the accusation, not in
the person offering all of this service freely to the world. the positive
path does not offer criticism unless specifically requested by the entity in
question. and i'm not directing this at you, jason, more as a general rule
so that people understand that i'm in no way more apt to answer a letter if
it goes on the offense - in fact i'm much less likely to, so as not to
create negative reinforcement. here you have raised some good points,
getting to the core of what this is about, hence another big essay comes
along.
so yes - accept the real instead of pining away for fantasy. don't try to
dissolve when you're in an ape body - that's you! your body! your total,
un-expurgated free will! ascension is a byob party - bring your own body.
yes, it seems stupid. it farts. it gets hungry. it gets pissed off. it needs
to be washed every day or it will stink. brush it with ivy / oak / sumac and
you've got a tremendous rash if you scratch it - (and have fun trying not
to!) a few whiffs of nasty powders and it could drop dead. it needs money,
and the ways to get that money might not be to your liking but it often
seems that the only other option is lack of survival. it wants sex, drugs
and rock and roll - and greasy, sloppy, high-calorie food. it stares at the
television with dull intensity if one is turned on in the room, almost
without fail. ok!
accept it. your body. look at those hands. the real is what you have now; so
go do the dishes! they won't dissolve away on their own. we must work in the
real because that's where we are. look at the space around your computer.
how clean is it? what priority do you place on that order? is this a
reflection of your inner thoughts? have you experienced your desire of
clutter and are now ready to let it fall away? can you see a greater love /
light energetic potential in a clean space as opposed to a messy one? can
you see the futility of trying to "dissolve" if your "house" (i.e. inner
self) isn't cleansed of desire first? can desire be cleansed by being
ignored? think. and think some more. find the anchors that moor you to the
harbor, and by this point work them through without anything but a sitting
meditation. yes, silence, not guided visualization. they will fall away.
hence the word distill.
this is the moment we've all been waiting for... thousands of years and many
lifetimes and we're it, right now. so if this is our last shot at 3d, and we
can work out repressed desires through meditation while we're still here,
i'd say we'd better do it! if they're repressed then you haven't accepted
yourself fully. why do you think i've had to go back to high school so often
in the dream plane? you have to keep repeating it until you get it right. i
strongly desired to actually enjoy my life in high school, so now i must
repeat the whole thing over and over under the same circumstances until i do
enjoy it. and it's finally worked itself out, but it has taken much longer
than i would ever have thought possible. it is a weekly feature in dreams
ever since i started recording them, sometimes several a week...
television is something i definitely know i do not need - as is the case
with processed, toxic food, not accepting myself or being honest with
myself, and so forth. look at the base desires that are being promoted on
tv - sex, violence, drug abuse, abysmal diet, etc. once these have fallen
away, through having experienced them with yourself or with others, (i did
have a few brawls in jrh and high school,) you've distilled the experience,
processed it with love and wisdom and seen that it holds no purpose for you.
i wanted to fight, and others wanted to fight me, so we fought - no
abridgement of free will. i wanted a rather meaningless, desire-based
relationship in my past, so did she, so we created one. i wanted to wreck my
body with intoxicants, no one else but myself was to be hurt, so i did. the
experience i took away from those events led me to have no further desire
for them. you realize that what you have been desiring... sucks.
those who do not work these processes have dreams of fighting, drugging and
having meaningless sex - and if they don't really work that stuff, then
there's a lot more to be done after death. that's why the initiation in the
gp was so scary - you'd end up doing it all at once, and hope that it didn't
kill you in the process. now everything is speeding up; the whole earth is
like a collective king's chamber, as i've already said.
i do want to say that this discussion actually prompted a long conversation
between scott (dr. mandelker) and myself. scott was actually impressed with
your (jason's) observations in the letter earlier today. the key goof that
you made is in not realizing that ra said this was the primary purpose for
third-density... most people in 3d are not "enlightened" at all, they are
simply here to make a choice between service to self (sts) or service to
others (sto.)
choice is everything in 3d - and the quote was about 3d. if you can't
distill the experiences, even if just through imagination, then you can't
make the choice honestly. this is where we do it - where we have a veil and
can make choices based on experience with struggle and suffering. scott
pointed out the key importance of ra's line that says, "to those who wish to
sleep, we shall only provide the comforts for the sleeping." this has a
similar meaning as the "experience all things desired" quote.
to you it might seem abysmally stupid to tell someone to experience what
they desire - but the key is that no harm can truly be done, as each person
meets with what they have created for themselves. there are no victims in a
thought-created illusory world holographically distorted from the love/light
energy of oneness. repetition is the mother of learning - you iron out your
distortions in very minute increments most of the time, hence patience. so
if someone wants to sleep, then they will be given assistance to make it
more comfortable - that's all they desire, and they are free to experience
it. they will be aided, albeit in a small way, based on the strength of
their calling, their desire for service, unity, oneness.
the passage also said to have patience and compassion for yourself - so if
you're hip to karma, hip to not violating others' free will and hip to
self-respect of mind, body and spirit, most of these distilled experiences
will fall away pretty quickly - or at least you can have some fun lying to
yourself for a while about how far you've gone, until some new catalyst
comes in and huffs and puffs and blows your house in.
so i was wondering who here through free will would be inspired to take the
"bait" and distort this one brief passage out of context, which is
forgivable but exactly what i had planned on. jason did a better shock-test
of this passage than i had expected, frankly - we've got some great people
on this list, many of whom hide their light under the rocks too often -
hence the lively conference call. the passage must be seen in lieu of a
balanced and disciplined study of all five books - which admittedly takes at
least months - that's why the study guide is just that... a study guide.
most anyone who would be motivated enough to join this list has long since
transcended the need to experience most of the trappings of desire for the
material world - it has "fallen away," as ra would say. read the entire
excerpt that i posted more carefully, really sit with it, then compare it
with the actual question that was asked to begin with:
"q: much of the mystic tradition of seeking on earth holds the belief that
the individual self must be erased or obliterated and the material world
ignored for the individual to reach 'nirvana,' as it is called, or
enlightenment. what is the proper role of the individual self and its
worldly activities to aid an individual to grow more into the law of one?"
with that question in mind, then review all five paragraphs. this is a very
key oversight that has been made in eastern and other traditions - a
valuable, irreplacable stepping-stone before such 7d personality dissolution
into oneness can be attempted. it's all too common to "jump the gun" and
want to get to z without the other parts of the alphabet in place first. yet
you won't be able to do much writing except zzzzzzz....
another major misunderstanding that you (jason) and many others have is
thinking that there is an ego or a mind to be overcome. scott reminded me
that one of ra's key teachings is that there is no ego. remember that
hydroencephalics have just water in their skulls but can still think - so
the mind is part and parcel of the mind / body / spirit complex, an
interlinked whole. you can't say "i'm going to obliterate the mind and have
a body / spirit complex only." impossible. just accept yourself instead of
thinking that you must kill your-self to live. the mind has all levels of
consciousness working in tandem - we don't overcome anything, we simply
train ourselves to sort out what is coming from where. there's a lot more
from the higher mind in the so-called ego than most people realize - hence
the clock synchs, etc.
the real reason for your outburst is that you've very much felt the need to
suppress or overcome desire. yet, this teaching of ra's is to be understood
more as the true framework for polarization in 3d, which you have long, long
since done. once you know about the law of karma you're obviously not going
to seek to mess with it - as was said, that which is not needed falls away.
the real key, again, is in distilling the experiences with love and wisdom.
and that technique is where the whole rest of the book comes in. if you're
not going to use the mind then you're not going to do it, as that's all
you've got - it's a multidimensional matrix.
so the only real difference now is that you understand how this passage
reveals a deeper level of how to defragment yourself and gain
self-acceptance, love/wisdom and balance. repression creates soul fragments
and if you don't deal with them here in 3d, then you've got a long haul
ahead for the afterdeath / timespace realm. one could attain sufficient
purity of seeking through rigorously overcoming desires to become 4d
harvestable, but you're still going to have the repressed desires left
over - and may decide after leaving the body that another go at 3d is the
best way to deal with them.
the deeper goal is of course to seek that 7d state of "the void" or "pure
awareness," which is beyond the unity of 6d. however, to try to rush the
gates when you still have uncleared desires is folly, as i indicated.
scott gave me some important background on osho that i would otherwise have
not known - after all his degree is in east-west psychology. this man was
originally named bhagavan sri rajneesh, amassed a tremendous fortune from
his followers, drove several rolls royces from several massive properties
and was actually banished from the us. after this debacle, of which i only
know what scott told me, he changed his name to osho and continued his work
overseas. the goings-on of his followers were legendary in esoteric gossip
circles, and it is very clear that they in no way were repressing or
overcoming their desires, including those most base. that doesn't mean that
his words are without meaning, but it is important context to keep in mind
before using his words to attack ra as service-to-self.
these gifts of my time will need to fall away so i can finish these projects
that everyone is waiting for... :)
peace be with you -
- david
> i have to say, that ra's perspective on desire is actually not in
> tune with my own understanding. in fact based on the quote below, it
> may actually be characterized as a negative or misguided teaching.
> i'll take the liberty of saying this now, i am not really finding
> some of ra's teachings as wise as one would expect from a being
> supposedly so evolved.
dw: hmm... seems we hit a nerve. all good discussions seem to start with
someone getting agitated, sounding off - hence my choice of emphasizing this
most difficult passage to truly understand. it is definitely shock-proof and
a complete, integrated teaching, but it takes a great deal of internal
process to see it, and i like to present challenges, not beads and sandals
feelgood curiosity-feeding material - there's plenty of places to find such
content, and that's not the most useful at this time, given the extremes of
catalyst that we're now in. i'm actually surprised we didn't get more people
willing to get a little belligerent, frankly. oh well, one good one is more
than enough, and once i step up to the plate then the rest of you lurkers
can join in...
so, since it's been "blame ra week" lately, it would seem... what are you
all feeling that you need as a group, in general, that you are not getting?
1. are the changes starting to freak you out and, perhaps, you're indulging
in fear and worry, and not feeling that this implicitly free-will based
perspective is comforting enough?
2. are you afraid to let us know that you're afraid? what about letting
yourself know?
3. are you self-conscious about speaking your true feelings, with the
implicit perception that you'll be judged?
4. do you think that i should show more concern that i do, especially with
the prophecies as given?
ask yourself whether it is ultimately better to exist in a state of fear or
trust and you'll get the answer. remember the cayce quote that said, "you
will know the moment has arrived when even the lightworkers are down on
their knees." i'd say it's getting pre-tty darn close; hence my focus is on
teaching acceptance of the real instead of pining away for a fantasy that
the catalyst will stop. it won't! check out smelyakov's cycle again if you
need proof - the website is now up: www.timeofglobalshift.com
so if you're hurting, it's ok to speak honestly about it. if you think i'm
all distorted, fine... fire away. again - to defend oneself is to reinforce
the perception that there is something in need of defense. just be aware of
my ongoing observation that almost all attacks at me and / or the work are
projections. dr. perls, founder of gestalt therapy, said that analyzing
projection is the single most effective way to reveal a person's own
subconscious issues. a client says, "oh, you're not really listening to me,
you just think i'm a tramp for all those men i slept with." in that case the
subconscious is not listening to its own self-judgment over previous
experiences.
so, here in our public environment, people often work out their own
self-issues by creating straw men out of who they think i am or what i / we
have taught and then blowing them down. if they're too belligerent about it,
then they end up violating the free will of the majority and along comes the
ban - which thankfully has only been used on less than five distinct people.
one personal case in point, (most commonly coming my way from cayce / are
folks who do not really want him to come back unless he is exactly the
same,) is that whenever a person begins to get more integrated, they become
fearless - and "true freedom is often seen by those not free as negative or
evil." most on the 4d level are innate martyrs, i.e. not free but shackled
to the idol of mass-consciousness-perceived obligation, and therefore are
not very good public speakers or leaders as they feel obligated to be meek,
humble, self-effacing, damagingly poor, etc. "if you're not a martyr then
you're not spiritual" is the subconscious bias.
those who do occupy such public roles are typically your service-to-self
varieties, such as politicians. hence, some will say, "oh, you have such a
big ego." that is the projection part - the ego is in the accusation, not in
the person offering all of this service freely to the world. the positive
path does not offer criticism unless specifically requested by the entity in
question. and i'm not directing this at you, jason, more as a general rule
so that people understand that i'm in no way more apt to answer a letter if
it goes on the offense - in fact i'm much less likely to, so as not to
create negative reinforcement. here you have raised some good points,
getting to the core of what this is about, hence another big essay comes
along.
so yes - accept the real instead of pining away for fantasy. don't try to
dissolve when you're in an ape body - that's you! your body! your total,
un-expurgated free will! ascension is a byob party - bring your own body.
yes, it seems stupid. it farts. it gets hungry. it gets pissed off. it needs
to be washed every day or it will stink. brush it with ivy / oak / sumac and
you've got a tremendous rash if you scratch it - (and have fun trying not
to!) a few whiffs of nasty powders and it could drop dead. it needs money,
and the ways to get that money might not be to your liking but it often
seems that the only other option is lack of survival. it wants sex, drugs
and rock and roll - and greasy, sloppy, high-calorie food. it stares at the
television with dull intensity if one is turned on in the room, almost
without fail. ok!
accept it. your body. look at those hands. the real is what you have now; so
go do the dishes! they won't dissolve away on their own. we must work in the
real because that's where we are. look at the space around your computer.
how clean is it? what priority do you place on that order? is this a
reflection of your inner thoughts? have you experienced your desire of
clutter and are now ready to let it fall away? can you see a greater love /
light energetic potential in a clean space as opposed to a messy one? can
you see the futility of trying to "dissolve" if your "house" (i.e. inner
self) isn't cleansed of desire first? can desire be cleansed by being
ignored? think. and think some more. find the anchors that moor you to the
harbor, and by this point work them through without anything but a sitting
meditation. yes, silence, not guided visualization. they will fall away.
hence the word distill.
this is the moment we've all been waiting for... thousands of years and many
lifetimes and we're it, right now. so if this is our last shot at 3d, and we
can work out repressed desires through meditation while we're still here,
i'd say we'd better do it! if they're repressed then you haven't accepted
yourself fully. why do you think i've had to go back to high school so often
in the dream plane? you have to keep repeating it until you get it right. i
strongly desired to actually enjoy my life in high school, so now i must
repeat the whole thing over and over under the same circumstances until i do
enjoy it. and it's finally worked itself out, but it has taken much longer
than i would ever have thought possible. it is a weekly feature in dreams
ever since i started recording them, sometimes several a week...
television is something i definitely know i do not need - as is the case
with processed, toxic food, not accepting myself or being honest with
myself, and so forth. look at the base desires that are being promoted on
tv - sex, violence, drug abuse, abysmal diet, etc. once these have fallen
away, through having experienced them with yourself or with others, (i did
have a few brawls in jrh and high school,) you've distilled the experience,
processed it with love and wisdom and seen that it holds no purpose for you.
i wanted to fight, and others wanted to fight me, so we fought - no
abridgement of free will. i wanted a rather meaningless, desire-based
relationship in my past, so did she, so we created one. i wanted to wreck my
body with intoxicants, no one else but myself was to be hurt, so i did. the
experience i took away from those events led me to have no further desire
for them. you realize that what you have been desiring... sucks.
those who do not work these processes have dreams of fighting, drugging and
having meaningless sex - and if they don't really work that stuff, then
there's a lot more to be done after death. that's why the initiation in the
gp was so scary - you'd end up doing it all at once, and hope that it didn't
kill you in the process. now everything is speeding up; the whole earth is
like a collective king's chamber, as i've already said.
i do want to say that this discussion actually prompted a long conversation
between scott (dr. mandelker) and myself. scott was actually impressed with
your (jason's) observations in the letter earlier today. the key goof that
you made is in not realizing that ra said this was the primary purpose for
third-density... most people in 3d are not "enlightened" at all, they are
simply here to make a choice between service to self (sts) or service to
others (sto.)
choice is everything in 3d - and the quote was about 3d. if you can't
distill the experiences, even if just through imagination, then you can't
make the choice honestly. this is where we do it - where we have a veil and
can make choices based on experience with struggle and suffering. scott
pointed out the key importance of ra's line that says, "to those who wish to
sleep, we shall only provide the comforts for the sleeping." this has a
similar meaning as the "experience all things desired" quote.
to you it might seem abysmally stupid to tell someone to experience what
they desire - but the key is that no harm can truly be done, as each person
meets with what they have created for themselves. there are no victims in a
thought-created illusory world holographically distorted from the love/light
energy of oneness. repetition is the mother of learning - you iron out your
distortions in very minute increments most of the time, hence patience. so
if someone wants to sleep, then they will be given assistance to make it
more comfortable - that's all they desire, and they are free to experience
it. they will be aided, albeit in a small way, based on the strength of
their calling, their desire for service, unity, oneness.
the passage also said to have patience and compassion for yourself - so if
you're hip to karma, hip to not violating others' free will and hip to
self-respect of mind, body and spirit, most of these distilled experiences
will fall away pretty quickly - or at least you can have some fun lying to
yourself for a while about how far you've gone, until some new catalyst
comes in and huffs and puffs and blows your house in.
so i was wondering who here through free will would be inspired to take the
"bait" and distort this one brief passage out of context, which is
forgivable but exactly what i had planned on. jason did a better shock-test
of this passage than i had expected, frankly - we've got some great people
on this list, many of whom hide their light under the rocks too often -
hence the lively conference call. the passage must be seen in lieu of a
balanced and disciplined study of all five books - which admittedly takes at
least months - that's why the study guide is just that... a study guide.
most anyone who would be motivated enough to join this list has long since
transcended the need to experience most of the trappings of desire for the
material world - it has "fallen away," as ra would say. read the entire
excerpt that i posted more carefully, really sit with it, then compare it
with the actual question that was asked to begin with:
"q: much of the mystic tradition of seeking on earth holds the belief that
the individual self must be erased or obliterated and the material world
ignored for the individual to reach 'nirvana,' as it is called, or
enlightenment. what is the proper role of the individual self and its
worldly activities to aid an individual to grow more into the law of one?"
with that question in mind, then review all five paragraphs. this is a very
key oversight that has been made in eastern and other traditions - a
valuable, irreplacable stepping-stone before such 7d personality dissolution
into oneness can be attempted. it's all too common to "jump the gun" and
want to get to z without the other parts of the alphabet in place first. yet
you won't be able to do much writing except zzzzzzz....
another major misunderstanding that you (jason) and many others have is
thinking that there is an ego or a mind to be overcome. scott reminded me
that one of ra's key teachings is that there is no ego. remember that
hydroencephalics have just water in their skulls but can still think - so
the mind is part and parcel of the mind / body / spirit complex, an
interlinked whole. you can't say "i'm going to obliterate the mind and have
a body / spirit complex only." impossible. just accept yourself instead of
thinking that you must kill your-self to live. the mind has all levels of
consciousness working in tandem - we don't overcome anything, we simply
train ourselves to sort out what is coming from where. there's a lot more
from the higher mind in the so-called ego than most people realize - hence
the clock synchs, etc.
the real reason for your outburst is that you've very much felt the need to
suppress or overcome desire. yet, this teaching of ra's is to be understood
more as the true framework for polarization in 3d, which you have long, long
since done. once you know about the law of karma you're obviously not going
to seek to mess with it - as was said, that which is not needed falls away.
the real key, again, is in distilling the experiences with love and wisdom.
and that technique is where the whole rest of the book comes in. if you're
not going to use the mind then you're not going to do it, as that's all
you've got - it's a multidimensional matrix.
so the only real difference now is that you understand how this passage
reveals a deeper level of how to defragment yourself and gain
self-acceptance, love/wisdom and balance. repression creates soul fragments
and if you don't deal with them here in 3d, then you've got a long haul
ahead for the afterdeath / timespace realm. one could attain sufficient
purity of seeking through rigorously overcoming desires to become 4d
harvestable, but you're still going to have the repressed desires left
over - and may decide after leaving the body that another go at 3d is the
best way to deal with them.
the deeper goal is of course to seek that 7d state of "the void" or "pure
awareness," which is beyond the unity of 6d. however, to try to rush the
gates when you still have uncleared desires is folly, as i indicated.
scott gave me some important background on osho that i would otherwise have
not known - after all his degree is in east-west psychology. this man was
originally named bhagavan sri rajneesh, amassed a tremendous fortune from
his followers, drove several rolls royces from several massive properties
and was actually banished from the us. after this debacle, of which i only
know what scott told me, he changed his name to osho and continued his work
overseas. the goings-on of his followers were legendary in esoteric gossip
circles, and it is very clear that they in no way were repressing or
overcoming their desires, including those most base. that doesn't mean that
his words are without meaning, but it is important context to keep in mind
before using his words to attack ra as service-to-self.
these gifts of my time will need to fall away so i can finish these projects
that everyone is waiting for... :)
peace be with you -
- david