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sdhorsetrainer@...

11-06-2000, 06:01 PM

Dear Group:
My fiance' came home with a book written by Robert Shapiro who
channels a spirit name Zoosh. It immediately raised an uncertain and
not so good energy when He phoned and told me about it. Never read
any other books by this author, however what I have read so far seems
a bit out of whack. Any input on this writer? The only thing I
enjoyed about the book was a transcript from Art Bell show
interviewing David Adair.
Bernadette

David Wilcock

11-06-2000, 06:29 PM

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>People accuse me of being jaded for saying this, but I feel that any channel must be willing to prove itself in fire over and over again. It took me a long time to trust my work enough to want to use it to help others - a year and a half - and within that time there had been an unbelievable number of "coincidental" synchronicities and future predictions, some outrageously blatant. Not to mention that literally every single time I would sit down to begin transcribing again, lo and behold - the readings and dreams would be describing what had just been happening to me, not what was happening at the time they were dictated, typically one month in the past. Now that's quite an experience, and it was very reliable. 
>
>As far as I am concerned, if any additional reading feels necessary, the energies of this group (which now appears to be about 50 of you) would be best focused onto the "course" that I have already suggested in the past. Required reading would be Seth Speaks by Jane Roberts and at least Book One of the Ra Material, augmented with the Study Guide. Optional but bullet-proof include We, The Arcturians by Dr. Norma Milanovich, The Starseed Transmissions by Ken Carey and certainEdgarCayce books that go more into the esoteric aspects of the teachings, such as Edgar Cayce on the Origin and Destiny of Man. The "Songs ofthe Arcturians" series by Patricia Pereira appears to be about85-90 percent undistorted,(there are a few distortions, such as the idea thatthe Pyramids have amirror crystal image underneath them) and very poetic at that. 
>
>I am certainly not telling you thatthese arethe ONLY sources that are accurate. What I am telling you is that the majority of channels out there are not the "real thing." I feel that this is aptly demonstrated by the work of the various military remote viewing teams in the 70s, 80s and part of the 90s (independently) that did fact-checking on many of the channels out there. I feel that if anyone gets started without a sense for the rigor that is required for good conscious trace work, then they are setting themselves up for either innocent or willfully distorted errors in the flow of information. 
>
>In the early days of my work I had negative entities slip in every now and then, but usually it was only long enough to distort the sentences that the positives were making. And really, these distortions only provided a greater challenge for the positives to work around them and form sentences that 'worked' anyway. And now they don't have a chance, as the only psychic attacks that have any real effect are from the outside world - not the consecrate prayer mindset that I adopt when doing the work itself. When my guard is down and I'm going through frustrating things, there are certainly opportunities for psychic attack, and if anyone can be totally free from psychic attack they could probably Ascend at a moment's notice! 
>
>I still do not claim 100-percent freedom from conscious mind overlay. I know that if you go into a state of trance with only the highest and purest positive energy from the get-go, you are bullet-proof to the negatives. Furthermore you must always let the source guide the way constantly and never fall prey to the Ego, which is all too willing to kick in its own ideas or finish a sentence based on how it "thinks" things need to go. This is an EXTREMELY difficult challenge. The reason why I do a dream for each client is that this is totally incapable of being distorted. Then, if the dream has a real edge to it, my ego doesn't "worry" if it picks up on a sentence that is rather intense. The dream allows the Ego to relax, anticipating the flow of the material as it goes along. 
>
>Certainly, different clients get different archetypal representations by the Source depending on what they need to hear. An overly sensitive person may get a powerful, intense discourse at a fast speed, whereas a person who is stressed-out and high strung may get a soothing, very feminine voice that guides a meditation or some such thing in a voice that will completley trance out the listener. So, it's all relative.
>
>By all means I would use discretion first and foremost for any work, including my own. If you ever read something that does not resonate as your own higher Truth, then you are better off finding something else that does. Believe it or not, most of the time I am not going back and reading my own stuff, as I simply bang it out on tape, bang it out on transcript, listen to the guidance as I review it and then post it when appropriate.Sometimes they seem very fresh to me when I review them after a month or so -- as these are definitely not in the "once-over" category. The strange metaphorical language can be milked to its utmostifthe seeker is so inclined, and I often find things that I had missed when I go back through it again. 
>
>Peace be with you -
>
>- David
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My fiance' came home with a book written by Robert Shapiro who
channels a spirit name Zoosh. It immediately raised an uncertain and
not so good energy when He phoned and told me about it. Never read
any other books by this author, however what I have read so far seems
a bit out of whack. Any input on this writer? The only thing I
enjoyed about the book was a transcript from Art Bell show
interviewing David Adair.
Bernadette

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11-06-2000, 07:23 PM

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> Dear Group:
> My fiance' came home with a book written by Robert Shapiro who
> channels a spirit name Zoosh. It immediately raised an uncertain
and
> not so good energy when He phoned and told me about it. Never read
> any other books by this author, however what I have read so far
seems
> a bit out of whack. Any input on this writer? The only thing I
> enjoyed about the book was a transcript from Art Bell show
> interviewing David Adair.
> Bernadette

Hi, Bernadette:

I recently perused a three-part article by the above author/channel
at www.IsleOfAvalon.co.uk. Seemed like a lot of the same old
ET/government conspiracy stuff to me. I believe there is a kinder,
more gentler Zoosh who can be found playing the hero in a series of
children's books.

Much better stuff along these lines, in my humble opinion, might
be the first of the WAVE articles on the Cassiopaean website
(cassiopaea.org/cass/wave.htm). Some very compelling stuff.
Definitely NOT the same old thing.

x

Jeff Wellman

11-07-2000, 03:42 PM

>

David,
>

As usual, your comments came just when I need to hear them. Thank you for the insight into your work, and your book recommendations. 
>
>Along with that, I wanted to bring up a subject for the group, we briefly discussed a while ago. I asked why you thought the pyramids were aligned with the stars of Orion, especially since RA (in the Ra material), talks about the negative influences coming from Orion? >
>

I believe you mentioned that it is probably an area that also has significant positive influence, and with that ,willalso attract the most negative influences. The negative trying to balance out the positive. 
>
>The reason I brought it up again is due to a book that I started to read, ?The book of knowledge: the Keys of Enoch?, by J.J. Hurtak. I?m wondering if you or anyone else has read this book, and if anyone has found it to be contradictory to the RA Material. It is especially on my mind, since David reported the ?Michael Estes? turnaround. >
>

Here are a couple small quotes from the beginning of the book, that caught my attention: 
>
>

?And if we consider the star fields as giving some mapping of where the Earth?s biosphere as a watery prism stands in relationship to given star fields, we will understand why the ancient Egyptian texts refer to Ihm-?sk and why the Great pyramid was aligned with Mintaka (delta), Alnilam (epsilon), and Alnitak (zeta) in Tak-Orion (Orionis). These are the central threshold controls or the region of ?positive programming? used by the Elohim Lords of Light to connect the many galaxies to our Father universe. Within our galactic quadrant, these threshold controls are necessary in coordinating celestial navigation between universes. Through the energies of Orion, the Central Threshold Control, the higher beings of Light move across the waters of the deep.? 
>
>

?These areas will be used by the Jerusalem Command from Orion to open the chambers of the Earth and provide for the shifting of consciousness to the Americas ? the next home of the Dove, as the Father?s program shifts from the Middle East to the Middle West?. 
>
>Hope to hear from the group! >
>Sincerely, >

Jeff Wellman 
>
>
>
>>From: "David Wilcock" <djw333 @EXIS.NET="">
>>Reply-To: asc2k@egroups.com >>To: <asc2k @EGROUPS.COM="">
>>Subject: Re: [asc2k] Book I read, looking for input >>Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 20:29:18 -0500 >> >>People accuse me of being jaded for saying this, but I feel that any channel must be willing to prove itself in fire over and over again. It took me a long time to trust my work enough to want to use it to help others - a year and a half - and within that time there had been an unbelievable number of "coincidental" synchronicities and future predictions, some outrageously blatant. Not to mention that literally every single time I would sit down to begin transcribing again, lo and behold - the readings and dreams would be describing what had just been happening to me, not what was happening at the time they were dictated, typically one month in the past. Now that's quite an experience, and it was very reliable. >> >>As far as I am concerned, if any additional reading feels necessary, the energies of this group (which now appears to be about 50 of you) would be best focused onto the "course" that I have already suggested in the past. Required reading would be Seth Speaks by Jane Roberts and at least Book One of the Ra Material, augmented with the Study Guide. Optional but bullet-proof include We, The Arcturians by Dr. Norma Milanovich, The Starseed Transmissions by Ken Carey and certain Edgar Cayce books that go more into the esoteric aspects of the teachings, such as Edgar Cayce on the Origin and Destiny of Man. The "Songs of the Arcturians" series by Patricia Pereira appears to be about 85-90 percent undistorted, (there are a few distortions, such as the idea that the Pyramids have a mirror crystal image underneath them) and very poetic at that. >> >>I am certainly not telling you that these are the ONLY sources that are accurate. What I am telling you is that the majority of channels out there are not the "real thing." I feel that this is aptly demonstrated by the work of the various military remote viewing teams in the 70s, 80s and part of the 90s (independently) that did fact-checking on many of the channels out there. I feel that if anyone gets started without a sense for the rigor that is required for good conscious trace work, then they are setting themselves up for either innocent or willfully distorted errors in the flow of information. >> >>In the early days of my work I had negative entities slip in every now and then, but usually it was only long enough to distort the sentences that the positives were making. And really, these distortions only provided a greater challenge for the positives to work around them and form sentences that 'worked' anyway. And now they don't have a chance, as the only psychic attacks that have any real effect are from the outside world - not the consecrate prayer mindset that I adopt when doing the work itself. When my guard is down and I'm going through frustrating things, there are certainly opportunities for psychic attack, and if anyone can be totally free from psychic attack they could probably Ascend at a moment's notice! >> >>I still do not claim 100-percent freedom from conscious mind overlay. I know that if you go into a state of trance with only the highest and purest positive energy from the get-go, you are bullet-proof to the negatives. Furthermore you must always let the source guide the way constantly and never fall prey to the Ego, which is all too willing to kick in its own ideas or finish a sentence based on how it "thinks" things need to go. This is an EXTREMELY difficult challenge. The reason why I do a dream for each client is that this is totally incapable of being distorted. Then, if the dream has a real edge to it, my ego doesn't "worry" if it picks up on a sentence that is rather intense. The dream allows the Ego to relax, anticipating the flow of the material as it goes along. >> >>Certainly, different clients get different archetypal representations by the Source depending on what they need to hear. An overly sensitive person may get a powerful, intense discourse at a fast speed, whereas a person who is stressed-out and high strung may get a soothing, very feminine voice that guides a meditation or some such thing in a voice that will completley trance out the listener. So, it's all relative. >> >>By all means I would use discretion first and foremost for any work, including my own. If you ever read something that does not resonate as your own higher Truth, then you are better off finding something else that does. Believe it or not, most of the time I am not going back and reading my own stuff, as I simply bang it out on tape, bang it out on transcript, listen to the guidance as I review it and then post it when appropriate. Sometimes they seem very fresh to me when I review them after a month or so -- as these are definitely not in the "once-over" category. The strange metaphorical language can be milked to its utmost if the seeker is so inclined, and I often find things that I had missed when I go back through it again. >> >>Peace be with you - >> >>- David >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: sdhorsetrainer@hotmail.com >> To: asc2k@egroups.com >> Sent: Monday, November 06, 2000 8:01 PM >> Subject: [asc2k] Book I read, looking for input >> >> >> Dear Group: >> My fiance' came home with a book written by Robert Shapiro who >> channels a spirit name Zoosh. It immediately raised an uncertain and >> not so good energy when He phoned and told me about it. Never read >> any other books by this author, however what I have read so far seems >> a bit out of whack. Any input on this writer? The only thing I >> enjoyed about the book was a transcript from Art Bell show >> interviewing David Adair. >> Bernadette >> >> >> eGroups Sponsor >> >> >> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >> asc2k-unsubscribe@egroups.com >> >> >> >

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SgtPppr

11-08-2000, 09:44 AM

This is kinda off-topic and I haven't posted here before, but after
reading some of the comments posted here, I think I have found some like
minds. I am currently working on a book entitled "Immaculate Dreams". It
is a book chronicling change on both a micro level (emotions, minute to
minute) and a macro level (evolution, ascension). If any of you are
interested in reading and providing feedback on my work, please visit my
site included with my signature.

If any of you know any publishers who specialize in metaphysical topics or
good publishers in general, I'm also very interested in that. My book is
somewhat getting close to completion and publishing will soon be a
reality. Thanks for your time and keep the discussion going.

Steve DeVries
http://www.immaculatedreams.com

Hamish Gunn

11-08-2000, 03:06 PM

I think a suggested reading list would be quite a good thing to put on
your web-site David. Curiously enough I came to your material after
Cayce then Seth. Now you've put me on to the Ra Material. I've read
Book 1 and the commentary and await the postman to bring me Books 2 to
5. However I'll now try to track down the others you have mentioned.
I should say I've tended to avoid the <fill in your favourite
star-system here>-type channelings with their empires and commands and
space stations the other side of the planets. However I'm open minded
enough to be advised by the group.

You (David Wilcock) wrote:
> Required reading would be Seth Speaks by Jane Roberts and at least Book One of
the Ra Material, augmented with the Study Guide. Optional but bullet-proof
include We, The Arcturians by Dr. Norma Milanovich, The Starseed Transmissions
by Ken Carey and certain Edgar Cayce books that go more into the esoteric
aspects of the teachings, such as Edgar Cayce on the Origin and Destiny of Man.
The "Songs of the Arcturians" series by Patricia Pereira appears to be about
85-90 percent undistorted, (there are a few distortions, such as the idea that
the Pyramids have a mirror crystal image underneath them) and very poetic at
that.
>
> I am certainly not telling you that these are the ONLY sources that are
accurate.

Hamish
__________________________________________________ _____
Hamish Gunn Livingston, West Lothian, Scotland, UK

Clark stewart

11-08-2000, 08:03 PM

Whats up group,

this one I have beenn thinking about for a while too, b/c I have also read
the Ra books and am almost done the keys of enoch and that Orion thing is
quite the paradox.
Only conclusion I can draw from it, is a naming convention used by Ra and
Don for those negatively polarized being s who are using these instreaming
nrgs from Orion for there own purposes...?
I.e masons/military taking over the sacred sites, giza, china pyramids,
tibet, mayan.....
Let's look at history, a lot has been twisted into evil...!
Anyone else have any comments...

Peace and Love,
Clark
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David,
>

As usual, your comments came just when I need to hear them. Thank you for the insight into your work, and your book recommendations. 
>
>Along with that, I wanted to bring up a subject for the group, we briefly discussed a while ago. I asked why you thought the pyramids were aligned with the stars of Orion, especially since RA (in the Ra material), talks about the negative influences coming from Orion?
>
>

I believe you mentioned that it is probably an area that also has significant positive influence, and with that ,willalso attract the most negative influences. The negative trying to balance out the positive. 
>
>The reason I brought it up again is due to a book that I started to read, ?The book of knowledge: the Keys of Enoch?, by J.J. Hurtak. I?m wondering if you or anyone else has read this book, and if anyone has found it to be contradictory to the RA Material. It is especially on my mind, since David reported the ?Michael Estes? turnaround.
>
>

Here are a couple small quotes from the beginning of the book, that caught my attention: 
>
>

?And if we consider the star fields as giving some mapping of where the Earth?s biosphere as a watery prism stands in relationship to given star fields, we will understand why the ancient Egyptian texts refer to Ihm-?sk and why the Great pyramid was aligned with Mintaka (delta), Alnilam (epsilon), and Alnitak (zeta) in Tak-Orion (Orionis). These are the central threshold controls or the region of ?positive programming? used by the Elohim Lords of Light to connect the many galaxies to our Father universe. Within our galactic quadrant, these threshold controls are necessary in coordinating celestial navigation between universes. Through the energies of Orion, the Central Threshold Control, the higher beings of Light move across the waters of the deep.? 
>
>

?These areas will be used by the Jerusalem Command from Orion to open the chambers of the Earth and provide for the shifting of consciousness to the Americas ? the next home of the Dove, as the Father?s program shifts from the Middle East to the Middle West?. 
>
>Hope to hear from the group!
>
>Sincerely,
>

Jeff Wellman 
>
>
>
>>From: "David Wilcock" <djw333 @EXIS.NET="">
>>Reply-To: asc2k@egroups.com
>>To: <asc2k @EGROUPS.COM="">
>>Subject: Re: [asc2k] Book I read, looking for input
>>Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 20:29:18 -0500
>>
>>People accuse me of being jaded for saying this, but I feel that any channel must be willing to prove itself in fire over and over again. It took me a long time to trust my work enough to want to use it to help others - a year and a half - and within that time there had been an unbelievable number of "coincidental" synchronicities and future predictions, some outrageously blatant. Not to mention that literally every single time I would sit down to begin transcribing again, lo and behold - the readings and dreams would be describing what had just been happening to me, not what was happening at the time they were dictated, typically one month in the past. Now that's quite an experience, and it was very reliable.
>>
>>As far as I am concerned, if any additional reading feels necessary, the energies of this group (which now appears to be about 50 of you) would be best focused onto the "course" that I have already suggested in the past. Required reading would be Seth Speaks by Jane Roberts and at least Book One of the Ra Material, augmented with the Study Guide. Optional but bullet-proof include We, The Arcturians by Dr. Norma Milanovich, The Starseed Transmissions by Ken Carey and certain Edgar Cayce books that go more into the esoteric aspects of the teachings, such as Edgar Cayce on the Origin and Destiny of Man. The "Songs of the Arcturians" series by Patricia Pereira appears to be about 85-90 percent undistorted, (there are a few distortions, such as the idea that the Pyramids have a mirror crystal image underneath them) and very poetic at that.
>>
>>I am certainly not telling you that these are the ONLY sources that are accurate. What I am telling you is that the majority of channels out there are not the "real thing." I feel that this is aptly demonstrated by the work of the various military remote viewing teams in the 70s, 80s and part of the 90s (independently) that did fact-checking on many of the channels out there. I feel that if anyone gets started without a sense for the rigor that is required for good conscious trace work, then they are setting themselves up for either innocent or willfully distorted errors in the flow of information.
>>
>>In the early days of my work I had negative entities slip in every now and then, but usually it was only long enough to distort the sentences that the positives were making. And really, these distortions only provided a greater challenge for the positives to work around them and form sentences that 'worked' anyway. And now they don't have a chance, as the only psychic attacks that have any real effect are from the outside world - not the consecrate prayer mindset that I adopt when doing the work itself. When my guard is down and I'm going through frustrating things, there are certainly opportunities for psychic attack, and if anyone can be totally free from psychic attack they could probably Ascend at a moment's notice!
>>
>>I still do not claim 100-percent freedom from conscious mind overlay. I know that if you go into a state of trance with only the highest and purest positive energy from the get-go, you are bullet-proof to the negatives. Furthermore you must always let the source guide the way constantly and never fall prey to the Ego, which is all too willing to kick in its own ideas or finish a sentence based on how it "thinks" things need to go. This is an EXTREMELY difficult challenge. The reason why I do a dream for each client is that this is totally incapable of being distorted. Then, if the dream has a real edge to it, my ego doesn't "worry" if it picks up on a sentence that is rather intense. The dream allows the Ego to relax, anticipating the flow of the material as it goes along.
>>
>>Certainly, different clients get different archetypal representations by the Source depending on what they need to hear. An overly sensitive person may get a powerful, intense discourse at a fast speed, whereas a person who is stressed-out and high strung may get a soothing, very feminine voice that guides a meditation or some such thing in a voice that will completley trance out the listener. So, it's all relative.
>>
>>By all means I would use discretion first and foremost for any work, including my own. If you ever read something that does not resonate as your own higher Truth, then you are better off finding something else that does. Believe it or not, most of the time I am not going back and reading my own stuff, as I simply bang it out on tape, bang it out on transcript, listen to the guidance as I review it and then post it when appropriate. Sometimes they seem very fresh to me when I review them after a month or so -- as these are definitely not in the "once-over" category. The strange metaphorical language can be milked to its utmost if the seeker is so inclined, and I often find things that I had missed when I go back through it again.
>>
>>Peace be with you -
>>
>>- David
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: sdhorsetrainer@hotmail.com
>> To: asc2k@egroups.com
>> Sent: Monday, November 06, 2000 8:01 PM
>> Subject: [asc2k] Book I read, looking for input
>>
>>
>> Dear Group:
>> My fiance' came home with a book written by Robert Shapiro who
>> channels a spirit name Zoosh. It immediately raised an uncertain and
>> not so good energy when He phoned and told me about it. Never read
>> any other books by this author, however what I have read so far seems
>> a bit out of whack. Any input on this writer? The only thing I
>> enjoyed about the book was a transcript from Art Bell show
>> interviewing David Adair.
>> Bernadette
>>
>>
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