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sirbiotech

03-11-2002, 05:57 AM

tonight i will be able to see the two beams of light reaching into
the heavens, coming from where the twin towers used to stand. i saw
the much talked about program last night 9-11 on cbs. at a certain
point i was so angry at those who carried out those attacks, i felt
like i would kill them if i could. then i just allowed my emotions to
calm down, and realized of course that is not the answer, but it's a
feeling that did flow thru me for a moment. then this morning i awoke
in the midst of the most incredible dream. i was talking to osama bin
ladin, asking him about his childhood, trying to understand what
caused him to orchestrate such an evil act. i finally, point blank,
asked him.."do you realize what you have done?" he looked at me,
looked down, his face showing a pained expression, his eyes closed
momentarily, and then he looked at me and said "yes, i know". his
eyes were full of sadness and seemed to seeking forgiveness from me.
at this point i felt i was not talking to osama of the third
dimension, but an aspect of his higher self. i reached my arm out and
placed it on his upper arm, letting him know through my touch that i
did forgive him for what he had done. this was a very liberating
moment for him, and for me. i felt my anger melt away. this is a
perfect example of why being aware of ones dreams is so important, a
healing did occur for me, in that moment of forgiveness, even tho it
was "only" a dream.

all the feelings i had experienced seeing the towers the day of the
tragedy from where i live, the smoke enveloping manhattan, looking in
disbelief..all came back from seeing that program last night. when i
feel down about how in israel and the palestinian territories, man
is still acting in a grotesque, "evil" manner...i remember that those
who are not able to love all unconditionally will not be part of the
world we are moving into. then i saw this quote...which reminded me
that those who are still deeply disconnected, in need of further
third dimensional experiences, will be able to continue on their
paths, but it won't be part of our world on the fourth density earth.
to me this is a very reassuring thought. just being honest. i look
forward to the inevitable "filtering" process that will occur when
the shift occurs.

peace

--jason

"a birthing planet vibrating at a lower tone than evolving earth is
preparing itself to receive beings who prefer to embrace greed and
power, those who desire to control, possess and destroy that which is
not rightfully theirs. the awaiting planet is far from earth, but it
is not altogether unlike earth."

"arcturian songs of the masters of light"
patricia l. pereira

bjorn_nitmou

03-11-2002, 06:20 AM

the saddest part of that show was when a young fireman, said he
rather save people instead of kill people - but after what has
happened, he has changed, and that now he can kill. that is exactly
what the us government wants you to think, and they have suceeded in
achieving their goal with certain people. its sad to see. plus
there are many who will tell you that there is no solid proof that
osama had anything to do with this, but thats a different subject for
others to discuss.

\\-- in asc2k@y..., "sirbiotech" <sirbiotech@y...> wrote:
> tonight i will be able to see the two beams of light reaching into
> the heavens, coming from where the twin towers used to stand. i saw
> the much talked about program last night 9-11 on cbs. at a certain
> point i was so angry at those who carried out those attacks, i felt
> like i would kill them if i could. then i just allowed my emotions

sirbiotech

03-11-2002, 07:13 AM

i noticed that moment in the show as well. a catalyst of that
magnitude does quicken one to makes choices, but even tho tony
stated he would kill if needed, you could sense the resignation in
his heart...i don't think he wants to kill, it was more of a feeling
that he would be willing to if it would prevent another situation
where hundreds of his fireman brothers and citizens were killed.

you can't fault people for feeling this way, they are not aware of
how raising their own vibrations/awareness would do more to prevent
such tragedies than any killing. if you didn't know how your
consciousness, full of light, could affect the darkness...perhaps you
too would think the only way to prevent another event like 9-11 would
be to get those who commited those acts. do we just let them carry
on, without consequence? hard questions..and i don't know the
answers.

was it just for us soldiers to kill in attempts to end the holocaust
commited by hitler and the nazis? what if we did nothing? ra even
says in the higher dimension there was a battle between light and
dark. i wondered about that. why would the light even bother to fight
the darkness? wouldn't they just bring in more light in acts of
nonengagement? if 90-95% of the universe if positive polarity, how
could the 5-10% negative polarity even stand a chance against that
much light?

in any case, i just felt that his statement that he would kill was
only the reaction of a very sensitive soul who had seen a horror the
likes of which i can only imagine. in spite of those words, he still
has a smile on his face and eyes full of kindness, and that more than
anything is what matters to me. and saying you would kill, is very
different from actually killing. i understand where he is coming
from, but don't see his words as a sign of the negative forces
winning, as his heart is obviously more open than it was before, as
were most of those firemen who survived. that is the real
triumph...isnt it? it's just too bad it takes such a terrible event
to cause this awakening.

bottom line to me, killing with joy..wanting to take lives and
killing with regret, because one is forced to, to protect family and
friends... are very different acts to me. getting beyond the third
dimensional manifestation of destroying anothers physical vessel,
what really matters is the context. if you are a teacher in a third
grade classroom, and some whacko comes in shooting children with his
gun..would u kill him to save the childrens lives? one would
basically be forced into that position...with great regret. it's an
interesting topic, and i still am unsure of the answers. i supposed
in a truly enlightened world, we would all sit meditation style and
just let them kill us. perhaps that is exactly how i would respond,
as i really would rather die than take a life, but so many possible
scenarios could arise. if i had to destroy the physical vessel of a
negative orientated entity to prevent the suffering or "death" of
even just one child...i think it's likely i would do so, and gladly
take on whatever karmic obligations may come as a result.

--- in asc2k@y..., "bjorn_nitmou" <bjorn_nitmou@y...> wrote:
> the saddest part of that show was when a young fireman, said he
> rather save people instead of kill people - but after what has
> happened, he has changed, and that now he can kill.

sirbiotech

03-11-2002, 08:20 AM

my last post was addressing all these third dimensional "realities".
man killing man, duality...etc. guess seeing that documentary brought
up all the feelings i had experienced about what happened in nyc. my
perspective is so much more in tune with the consciousness of 4-d
that even discussing those things is a little weird...it's like i
have one foot in each dimension. guess that's part of the
experience...being alive on this planet in the years leading up to
the "moment of planetary awakening" :)

peace

jason

bjorn_nitmou

03-11-2002, 09:10 AM

if you didn't know how your
> consciousness, full of light, could affect the darkness...perhaps
you
> too would think the only way to prevent another event like 9-11
would
> be to get those who commited those acts.

- -yes, thats a good point, but none the less, the fact that so many
americans express hatred towards a certain group of people, and thus
support the war effort is a problem. 911 can be a positive or
negetive catylist, i guess we can see a little of both in many
people.
as far as an appropriate responce is concerned, you are right, that
is a hard question. on a national level, i am at a point where i am
uninterested in the answer. i used to have an interest in politics
and the media. but both of these entities are now irrelivant to me.
there is a higher level of control involved. i used to wonder, if i
were president, how would i respond? but the fact is, if people like
us had more control none of these events would have occured in the
first place. its like asking yourself, if i killed someone, how
would dispose of the body.......what im getting at is, i would never
do such a thing, so im not going to waste my time on such questions -
i feel the same way about national security, it is in the control of
the negetive elites, ill i can do is speak my mind and vote, and more
effectively, try to be positive. personally i only look at violence
on a personal level, based on my own life.

sirbiotech

03-11-2002, 11:35 AM

you said...

"i used to have an interest in politics and the media. but both of
these entities are now irrelivant to me."

i agree 100%. just once in a while i tune in to see what's afoot, try
and get a sense of where the consciousness of the people are. problem
is, if i tune in too much...as i have sometimes been wont to do...it
does begin to look very ugly. (but i also know it is the media, the
last place to look for signs of waking up, as they appear to be the
deepest sleepers in my opinion)

whenever i tune into the media it usually acts as an incredibly
effective catalyst that highlights the necessity to go within for
truth. in that sense, the media's lack of awareness and truth is only
pushing those of us waking up...deeper into our own inner processes.
you know that saying saying about lemons being thrown at
you....lemonade anyone? :)

Tiffani Boswell

03-11-2002, 02:15 PM

<table>
>ra even
> says in the higher dimension there was a battle between light and
> dark. i wondered about that. why would the light even bother to fight
> the darkness? wouldn't they just bring in more light in acts of
> nonengagement? 
>
>
>hi jason,
>
>ok again i don't remember where exactly in ra...but i do remember them saying that when the light "fights" the darkness...the light loses polarity but at the same time because they are not giving in to the control they are not giving the "dark" polarity so in essence they neutralize eachother out and have to withdraw for a time... (someone comment if i have that wrong)
>
>
>. i supposed
> in a truly enlightened world, we would all sit meditation style and
> just let them kill us.
>
>funny you say that...i just missed last weeks csi (one of my few tv indulgences) and that episode was to be of a murder of buddhists monks...that were all "meditating" and the tag line was something to the effect of why did the third monk still get shot point blank in the head, they did not run, and the answer was they were praying for their murderer.... just a thought...
>
>

David Wilcock

03-11-2002, 03:45 PM

from: tiffani boswell

ra even
> says in the higher dimension there was a battle between light and
> dark. i wondered about that. why would the light even bother to fight
> the darkness? wouldn't they just bring in more light in acts of
> nonengagement?

>hi jason,

>ok again i don't remember where exactly in ra...but i do remember them
saying that when the light "fights" the darkness...the light loses polarity
but at the same time because they are not giving in to the control they are
not giving the "dark" polarity so in essence they neutralize eachother out
and have to withdraw for a time... (someone comment if i have that wrong)

dw: that is correct. the one thing to be added is that fourth-density
entities "lack the wisdom necessary to refrain from battle." you don't see
this happen at all in 5d positive or above. and of course, the war is all
with thoughtforms of light. i've had some absolutely wild "matrix" style
battles with negative forces in the dream plane, so i guess i lack wisdom...
but i am extremely adept at prevailing in such conflicts. oh, to have a
movie of some of those things... :)

. i supposed
> in a truly enlightened world, we would all sit meditation style and
> just let them kill us.

>funny you say that...i just missed last weeks csi (one of my few tv
indulgences) and that episode was to be of a murder of buddhists
monks...that were all "meditating" and the tag line was something to the
effect of why did the third monk still get shot point blank in the head,
they did not run, and the answer was they were praying for their
murderer.... just a thought...

dw: martyrdom is a fourth-density quality that exemplifies the energy that
our earth is now moving into. there is nothing wrong with it when seen in
that sense. many wanderers are here to teach fifth-density wisdom and
sixth-density unity teachings. the microcosm of this is in our personal
lives, where we succumb to others' criticisms, attacks and the like without
speaking up for ourselves. as anyone can see, this will quickly lead to
depression, misery and constant energy-sucking dynamics.

communication is the key fifth-chakra quality that can eliminate the need
for martyrdom in relationships with others. psychology sees that as the key
to everything, and i feel that this is because of the wanderer influence of
people like freud, jung, rogers, beck, perls and so forth. good 5d wisdom
teachings are highly needed on earth at this time for those who need to
balance the heart center. i consider dr. phil mcgraw's books to be excellent
in this regard, and there is a reason why he is on oprah so often. in
'relationship rescue' he has codified many of the "catalogue of human
distortions" into quasi-archetypal principles that really do have amazing
consistency for all types of situations.

i've been having a very good day today and am happy to answer this question.

peace be with you -

- david

Mawk

03-12-2002, 02:37 PM

hi all,

in response to the following quote:

dw: that is correct. the one thing to be added is that fourth-density
entities "lack the wisdom necessary to refrain from battle." you don't see
this happen at all in 5d positive or above. and of course, the war is all
with thoughtforms of light. i've had some absolutely wild "matrix" style
battles with negative forces in the dream plane, so i guess i lack wisdom...
but i am extremely adept at prevailing in such conflicts. oh, to have a
movie of some of those things... :)

i am so pleased you have brought this up. i also have some experience in
this area and i think more and more people are going to get drawn into this
battle as well, or maybe realise they are in it! could this be a partial
reason for the exacerbation of mental health problems in the west? it is
interesting that robert bruce's next book is completely devoted to psychic
self-defense which initially helped tarnish his reputation for obe, the
topic of his previous excellent book.

it is important for people to understand how strong they are when they go
into 4d battle. the next issue is to actually understand what you are
capable of and what this game is all about. my understanding is based on a
meditation i did over a year ago. i have since used this understanding in
several obe style dreams. general my weapon and protection has taken the
form of a suit of armour and a sword. initially i was concerned that i would
use my sword against good entities but later on i received the information
that my sword was excalibur. i did some research and discovered that in
mythology excalibur could only be used against evil.

i have actually only used my sword once when a dark entity in the form of a
black knight attacked me. from this experience i gained the understanding
that this was the worst approach to take. the reason is that the negative
entity while destroyed in that conflict, had gained experience from the
battle, and this experience would be passed on to other negative
manifestations at a later date.

a more appropriate method is to use what the negative entities use against
us. fear. for this you need confidence and your ability to stand your ground
and exude your strength (light). in the last couple of months i have
developed a new trick. i seem now to be able to change my advisories weapons
into another object. twice this has been a camera. i was think about this
over the last week and realised that the first thing a camera does when the
trigger is pushed is let in light. no wonder one surrendered and the other
ran away.

the ultimate weapon is love. when i master that one i will let you know:-)

one last thing to remember is that if it is an obe situation all you need do
is wiggle a toe or finger and you will get back to your physical body.

i believe a demonic attack is a different story all together but fortunately
this is not in my recalled experiences as yet.

i know for many that these ideas are way out there! i post this information
in the hope that at an unconscious level these tools are available to the
group and we all sleep a bit better.

cheers,

mawk

ps - i do not think i am unique, i believe all those tools mentioned above
are available to anyone who entertains the idea of being an "ambassador of
the light", or as the indigo children say, an "emissary of love".