Do David and Ra disagree? [Archive] - Divine Cosmos Discussions

KassandraLoves

02-11-2009, 05:29 PM

maybe we shouldn't focus so hard on a number. maybe we should just focus on the way we feel inside and how we present that to and interact with the world.

after all, no one is judging you, but you. not someone/something else. you make the decisions, here. you will decide if you are vibrationally ready to go or not. its not some race to the finish where we must force ourselves to be something other than what we are so that we can "graduate." unlike school, theres no time limit on this. theres no money being spent to stay longer. only more learning! and if more learning means that you hang out for a bit, then so be it. we need not rush because theres no reason to! in fact, theres more of a reason to stick to 3d and keep learning. theres so much to be learned!!! i mean, who here thinks they've seen it all? who here think theres not a thing more they could use in the ol' knowledge bank?

i just think its so imperative for everyone to see that this isnt some judgement type thing where we need to hurry through and get this done and that done and be here at this time, etc etc...

let it be what it is! the more you reach with your heart, the more capable you will be of the next density. if youre reaching out of fear of staying in for another go round, then you may even be a detriment to yourself.

numbers, schmumbers. we can talk numbers all day, but it doesnt change our vibration. just feel this stuff in your heart. thats all. feel however you want to feel and be however you want to be. and if you end up being 51% awesome. great! if not? great! leave the technical stuff to your higher self. the point is to make sure you know who you are. and if you know your positive and intend that on the world, bam. its done.

love and light!!!

p.s. the original poster's nice little 11:11 caught my eye first thing. :) thats a good time to post, hahaha

Brentnauer

02-11-2009, 07:32 PM

oh man, i have never had the :11 thing happen to me... i didn't even notice until you pointed it out.

Berry Chastain

02-12-2009, 10:49 AM

brent,
it's happening more and more often to me too. i never used to see it but now it is showing up in the most unexpected places. i guess that is part of what this tread is about, awakening to the "1"ness.

joebananas101

02-13-2009, 01:58 AM

you have to remeber that, that channeling was done in... i believe 1984? sometime around there. the picture in that moment of time was that not alot of people were ready to "graduate." but it is soo much different now. the awareness amongst the people is through the roof. im in high school and i can tell you that many students range from grade 9! are talking about 2012 and the galactic alignment. i was personally surprised realizing that these kids were about 13-15 years old. the moment we are in now, is far different then back in the time when the ra channeling was done. heaven had a plan all along... and we are seeing the begining of it going up to 2012.

Eric The Viking

02-13-2009, 07:44 AM

+1 to kassandraloves

bear in mind, when studying the ra material. although it is channeled information; it is still possible to be misinterpreted by the medium. also, if the wrong question is asked; according to the law of free will, it is mandated that a specific answer be given. especially if it the question concerns comfirmation.

great things are done in small steps. a journey of a 1000 miles starts with the first step out your door. one shouldn't focus on the future and how to get there as fast as one can. start with this very moment; recognize the beauty and love that surrounds you at this very moment. be conscious of your surroundings and see the creator in it, yourself and others. revel in the fact that you are where you are supposed to be right now, at this very moment. live this life one minute at a time and try to live that minute the best you can.

"how full is your bucket"

this is an analogy of our spiritual energy and how we interact with others. we all have a bucket which holds our spiritual energy, along with the bucket we have a ladle to either fill or empty ours or others buckets.

a service to self person (through conflict ect...) will use their ladle to dip into others buckets, in order to fill thier own; thus boosting their energy. obviously this is a lop sided transfer that leave one feeling energized, while the other feels drained.

a service to others person will (through praise ect...) dip into their own bucket to help fill anothers bucket. this kindness is usually reciprocated back and helps to fill their bucket also. this exchange can continue until both persons bucket are full; a win win if you will.

if you are concerned about your sto vs sts ratio, go forth with your bucket and ladle and try to fill as many peoples buckets that you can. one ladle full at a time (remember;baby steps)

just be aware of the sts person that will try to empty your bucket in order to fill theirs (which never seems to be full) and understand that someday they will realize that it is much easier for them to fill and keep full, their bucket, by giving their love to others.

Whitewolf

02-13-2009, 09:29 AM

firstly, i don't put much stock into any channeling due to the fact that some dark spirits are very adept at appearing as though they are not dark. so regardless of who the channeler is, i take everything they say with a few grains of brown sugar.

as for the percentage of people who will have graduated by the timing of the shift, well let's see. the above says that most people will not graduate. unfortunately this rings true to my sensibilities as well. the dark side has successfully brainwashed people into believing that this material reality is the only thing that matters. the brainwashing is so extensive that they can believe that and still claim to believe in god or a higher spiritual authority. these people, who i personally refer to as "the apathites", are the proverbial herd of sheep who don't question anything beyond when it's time to go shopping for more things that they don't truly need (and only superficially and temporarily desire). i have no idea that most of these will be left behind. clearly that's the vast majority of humans living within "western civilization".

as for the indigenous of the world, especially those who steadfastly hold true to their ancient traditions, well it's obvious what won't be happening to them (staying behind).

as for the evil ones, those at the highest positions of earthly power, well...to be honest, i don't know. what i do know is that, contrary to their strongest efforts, they will not be able to avoid their own karma for much longer. so what about their grunts? those who wear badges and use fire-arms to preserve the evil one's power? golly jee lol, i just don't know.

as for the lightworkers and those who serve others over themselves (and when i say "serve others" i don't mean dark entities as with the case of the global elite) it's obvious that we will be living in a very different reality within our own lifetimes. we will have transcended the curse of death and pain.

this is exactly what the dark ones don't want. tough.

Eric The Viking

02-13-2009, 11:16 AM

whitewolf,

i feel your pain, sometimes it is difficult to see the good in people.

i can understand your apathy and cynicism toward your fellow person but, one should not be to quick to paint humanity with such a broad stroke. these people you call evil; are apart of this world. they are necessary to provide the catalyst for our own spiritual growth.

be cautious; your anger and righteousness will put you on a negative path and turn you into what you despise.

one who hunts monsters should be careful not to become a monster!

may the light and love of the creator shine through you and onto others!

wintersun

02-14-2009, 04:54 PM

ok, i think you guys misunderstood something here. vast majoritiy of people will move not to the 4d, but to this "lucid dream - like" state, from where they will be offered to choose where next they want to go.

most people will choose to stay and keep on learning here in 3d, and those who feel ready for 4d, will continue there, while wanderers will hopefuly return to their previous densities.

i say hopefuly, cos there is always a possibility that they fall in vibration, and consider re-doing some additional 3d :d

so, all in all, david perfectly agrees with ra. i really don't think the year of publishing the information has anything to do with anything. more so cos, ra is, and was, beyond time.

dino

aqcheryl

04-04-2009, 11:41 PM

i feel that ra answered that positive things could happen and were achievable because they did not and do not know the actual answer, because its our choice, they are respecting our free will. ultimately it comes to us if we decide to stay or move on, and so they cant predict that choice.

thats what ive come to understand, at least. :)

now i have this visual of a lottery up there, like when your co-workers place bets on certain teams or players in the sports industry for certain things...
"sorry mate, your younger 3d version chose not to ascend this time around, better odds next harvest."

rofl

AmentiHall

04-06-2009, 02:35 PM

i have shared some similar experiences that david wilcock has......save the channeling (something don't want to do). and i can say that optimism is absolutely necessary if you wish to truly make this process a success...

as to most of us having to repeat the third density (i view it as first density, because it depends on the interplay/interchange of dimensions 1-3 which to me is one density.), i am realistically also pretty much agreeing. most people aren't even aware of what is happening in front of their eyes, politically, emotionally or spiritually. to get them to be aware then, of the higher realms of consciousness and multi-dimensional existence, to reconnect the portions of their spiritual template and dna that have been distorted/mutated for a long time?

that's going to prove very hard and unlikely forsome people. but the good news is so long as people make this effort...so long as people really want to wake up and see themselves for who they are- support will always be provided! it is those who do not heed the calls, who make no effort even mentally to acknowledge their inner selves- that will have a hard time making any sort of transition.

aqcheryl

04-06-2009, 05:08 PM

as to most of us having to repeat the third density (i view it as first density, because it depends on the interplay/interchange of dimensions 1-3 which to me is one density.), i am realistically also pretty much agreeing.

what exactly is the 1st and 2nd densities?

denisfor

04-06-2009, 09:28 PM

yes the vast majority will come back to the 3th density like ra said, this

mean they will reincarnate when the earth is ready to receive them, but in

the meanwhile, they will live their ordinary life in the 4rth density like david

said. both are true but one after the other.

denisfor

mmariebored

04-06-2009, 09:33 PM

i'm fairly new to david wilcock and the law of one channelings and find them fascinating and enlightening.

something i'm a bit confused over though is the differences between what david has said, and what was transcribed from the ra channelings regarding who would move on to the fourth density.

david says that all you need to do is be slightly more focused on love and serving others:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9w569mwiqi

ra says that the vast majority of us will have to repeat the third density:
http://www.llresearch.org/library/the_law_of_one_pdf/the_law_of_one_book_1.pdf << top of page 174

to me, vast majority means around 90 percent. david seems to be much more optimistic.

thoughts?
i still don't completely believe all of this "ascension" business, at least not in the exact meaning presented here in this forum. though it's becoming easier and easier to tell who is "tapping the well" of "4d"(or other realms, as i choose to call it) and who is still deeply sleeping, roots firmly planted in the mentality created for them by the "elites".

from david's recent blog:

to just see what you will become in the here and now would make you feel as though your current life might be as a form of slavery.

so many of you continue to plow away through a system that expedites your strengths while amplifying your weaknesses. have glory in these opportunities for learning. have glory in the catalyst that sets you free from the boundaries of material existence.

understand and recognize that the industrial revolution was created for your benefit, such that the work itself would be easier at the end of the cycle. this does then enable you to have more time for leisure, to spend in contemplation of yourselves and of your future. the struggle to survive is much less.

you have not needed to grow your own food, to make your own clothing, to struggle for shelter against the elements, et cetera. indeed, your environment has been allowed to become very comfortable and very docile.

in a sense, changes in this social structure are only a return to what has been normal to the human species throughout most of its existence. embrace this opportunity to again experience the rapid changes that come with the alteration of life’s circumstances. know that the more grievous problems only occur after your ascension, when the physical earth itself is still processing same.

there is no need to worry about whether you will ascend or not, as we have said so many times. please remind yourselves that we are serious when we tell you that you are loved more than you could ever possibly imagine.
he says "no need to worry about your ascension", which seems to me contradictory to the whole theme of the message, particularly the part about "the more grievous problems only occur after your ascension". i'd like to hear more on that.

firstly, i don't put much stock into any channeling due to the fact that some dark spirits are very adept at appearing as though they are not dark. so regardless of who the channeler is, i take everything they say with a few grains of brown sugar.
i agree, accept for the "some", i believe all negative entities can pull off appearing as good.

and it makes sense to the law of free will that a channeler can be mistaken. if one person or channeler was completely perfect in everything he or she says, it would go against free will because this "3d" offers both good and bad from which all of us have to choose. to have a cheat-sheet with all the correct answers is not how normal humans learn. being able to memorize a lifestyle is easy, figuring out for ourselves why and how to live what way, each in our own way, not looking at anyone else's test papers, is how we "ascend". "ascend" having several meanings.

Purple Dragon

04-06-2009, 10:32 PM

what exactly is the 1st and 2nd densities?

from my understanding, there are 8 densities. one way is to look at our "physical" beings, meaning the first is mineral, second animal, third our reality (attaining free will is the key from 2nd to 3rd), then 4th and beyond. though each density has it's own sub-densities and those it's sub-sub-density and into infinity. each density having it's own meaning.

here is one quote which i think is one of the broadest or starting points for densities (still a little confusing to me, can't wait to read all the books!) that may help:

ra: i am ra. the path of our learning is graven in the present moment. there is no history, as we understand your concept. picture, if you will, a circle of being. we know the alpha and omega as infinite intelligence. the circle never ceases. it is present. the densities we have traversed at various points in the circle correspond to the characteristics of cycles: first, the cycle of awareness; second, the cycle of growth; third, the cycle of self-awareness; fourth, the cycle of love or understanding; fifth, the cycle of light or wisdom; sixth, the cycle of light/love, love/light or unity; seventh, the gateway cycle; eighth, the octave which moves into a mystery we do not plumb.

aqcheryl

04-08-2009, 01:14 AM

from my understanding, there are 8 densities. one way is to look at our "physical" beings, meaning the first is mineral, second animal, third our reality (attaining free will is the key from 2nd to 3rd), then 4th and beyond. though each density has it's own sub-densities and those it's sub-sub-density and into infinity. each density having it's own meaning.

here is one quote which i think is one of the broadest or starting points for densities (still a little confusing to me, can't wait to read all the books!) that may help: ra: i am ra. the path of our learning is graven in the present moment. there is no history, as we understand your concept. picture, if you will, a circle of being. we know the alpha and omega as infinite intelligence. the circle never ceases. it is present. the densities we have traversed at various points in the circle correspond to the characteristics of cycles: first, the cycle of awareness; second, the cycle of growth; third, the cycle of self-awareness; fourth, the cycle of love or understanding; fifth, the cycle of light or wisdom; sixth, the cycle of light/love, love/light or unity; seventh, the gateway cycle; eighth, the octave which moves into a mystery we do not plumb.

thanks :)
so first is awareness ie thought, then second is the attempt at encompassing that thought, then the third is aware of its own thought...so fourth is loving the thought (as we are all thought), 5th is loving the thought and philosophizing said thought :) 6th, thought merges into one (with multiple bodies) 7th... well leads to 8th...
from the moment i learned about the densities, that there were 8... it seemed to me that 8th was literally a 'back to basics' meaning, no form, just light and eternal knowledge. we are creation once more. in each density as all are one there is still a 'we' in there.. in the 8th, there is no 'we'. its back to awareness but theres no 'self' in that... although the awareness is knowing all more so than 1st density awareness. would be kinda boring lol i know id recycle myself and start the process all over again.

anyways, not sure where i got that impression or idea from about the 8th, but thought id put it out there anyways cause its been sitting there in 'me head' since it first arrived. rofl

im still working on getting everything read as well. :)

KassandraLoves

04-12-2009, 12:34 PM

"sorry mate, your younger 3d version chose not to ascend this time around, better odds next harvest."

rofl

this made me giggle, lol...

but it also leads me into my opinion of the absolute coolest part about this whole business...there is no "sorry." its not a sorry or celebrate type of deal here. that type of duality is very "3d."

if you chose not to move on to 4d, you will not be "bummed out" or "sorry" or sad in any way about! you arent a failure if you dont ascend, nor are you a success if you do. you just are who you are. always. besides, whats another 2500 years in universal time? squat! you take your time to get to where you need to be. theres not a limit on how long you can do this, nor are there feelings any which way about it. you just do it when you do it how you wanna do it. period.

i, for one, can wait to shed the duality of this place. im so sick of hearing one judge another or hearing debates on what is right/wrong or good/evil. all is all. i have been embracing the all is all concept and its bringing so much peace into my life. i hope everyone can feel this way.

we need not be concerned so much with what will happen in the percieved future and grab hold of what is in the percieved here and now. enjoy this. take your time. feel every feeling. see everything to see. love with all youve got. dont worry about "making the grade" because there is no grade to be made!

love you! :)

aqcheryl

04-12-2009, 04:25 PM

this made me giggle, lol...

but it also leads me into my opinion of the absolute coolest part about this whole business...there is no "sorry." its not a sorry or celebrate type of deal here. that type of duality is very "3d."

i do agree, i hope i wasnt implying that i was thinking that a form of that would really exist beyond using the punchline hehe

i, for one, can wait to shed the duality of this place. im so sick of hearing one judge another or hearing debates on what is right/wrong or good/evil. all is all. i have been embracing the all is all concept and its bringing so much peace into my life. i hope everyone can feel this way.

i know personally i have been. i dont believe in judging others and so i dont appreciate being judged in return. i dont want to live in that reality. i do remember hearing though that we will be given a choice to stay with those in 3d instead of progressing to 4d (though we would have 4d abilities), to help guide those who had remained in 3d to a new understanding so that they too can later ascend. so i end up being torn... stay in 4d... go back and help 3d... stay in 4d... go back and help 3d. ack.

maybe there comes a time we have to recognize there are limitations to what our soul can accept/tolerate and beyond that point, we would be of no service to anyone, as to stay in that environment would only end up further jading us. and people in 4d will need help as well, we all help each other... those of us who anticipated the ascension are most likely the guides to help those who came in 4d not even knowing.

i want to witness our growth and evolvement (sp?) to our new understanding... something we might miss if we stay behind in 3d to help others and later join the 4d boat. :d

LordDragon

04-13-2009, 10:27 AM

the duality of this world can be solved. let's take good and bad, in fact they do not exist without eachother. even more good and bad are two sides of the same medaillon. from our vieuw we have two opposite powers, at least that's how they seem to manifest in this world. but in reality we know these powers are from the same source, only they are working as opposites to eachother because otherwise there would be nothing. now most people choose to take a side, so you got bad boys and good boys. and this is chaos offcourse, like the example of the judges. but you can also choose to not take a side, and use both sides of the power. what's this dude saying? well anyone familiar with the work of carlos castaneda? one can use both sides of the powers by making them work togheter, don juan calls this being a middler (excuse but i dont know the exact word in english)someone who stands in the middle and uses both forces by bringing them back togheter instead of seeing them as two different things (dingen an sich).

in essence there is no duality, exept when we choose to see things that way; because humanity has created duality it can also solve it. once we understand the true nature of things, we can create another state, two opposite powers are know working togheter instead of against eachother. duality was an illusion, because you could only see one side of the medaillon, but oneness is not an illusion, you can see both sides now als beeing one, and now you see the whole of it, out of which is born a new insight. if you dont want it to be there, there is no duality.

blessings ld.

KassandraLoves

04-13-2009, 12:28 PM

i do agree, i hope i wasnt implying that i was thinking that a form of that would really exist beyond using the punchline

no, no, i didnt think you were implying. i just get that feeling from a lot of people lately, that theres some sort of "race to the finish, you must make the harvest, etc" type of stuff. not that you gave me the impression i just used what you said to state my opinion on it. :)

denisfor

04-13-2009, 11:31 PM

yes lorddragon, the duality of the positive power and negative power can be solved. this is called the neutral power.

most people dont really know the negative power and they dont need this knowledge. you know very well a group of people who use this power and they dont need more publicity. this is black magic and this create very bad karma which can last for more than 10 000 years like the one created in atlantis in previous incarnation.

many people try to use the positive power because they think they can help themselves and others. they try to use visualisation and other techniques. the problem is they use thinking (the mental tool) to choose what best for them or others. this is white magic and this too create karma but not so heavy like the one from black magic.

the karmaless way is spiritual power also called neutral power because it include in some way the two lower powers but its also very different because we dont want to control or direct this neutral power in any way, we are just channels for this power.

there is an example in clone war film. the heroe is
just clumsy in using weapons and grenade and by coincidence, clone soldier are destroyed. he dont really wish them dead but accidents happens around him and he is saying he is sorry. people think he is dumm. this is simply a metaphor for not using the mind. later he will be named ambassador, he is not dumm, he is wize.

like in forrest gump, **** happens. he is just there in the watergate hotel and he see something and report this. he does not know or wish all the consequences like president nixon being forced to quit.

he is also the one who show young elvis new mooves and he create a smiling man logo and someone else make money with this.

he does not want to get rich but only want his buddy get his share (or the mother when his buddy die)

he does not know about making money but he invest in (fruit) computer business at the beginning when a thousand dollars can become a million dollars later.

these simple exemples are not perfect but demonstrate there is a big difference between the 3 powers.

and this spiritual power is especialy difficult to grasp for people with a big intellect because their big brain is not helping them, most of the time this big brain is an obstacle.

so dealing with the mind is a big step, and a big challenge too. we cannot really control the mind,
because the mind have a mind of is own, we can just help the mind to learn to be cool.

mind is a marvelous tool but a tyran master.

we can educate the mind, train the mind and learn to relax the mind with meditation.

mind love to repeat experience involving pleasure. mind love addiction including food, alcool, drugs, ect...

loosing weight is a good discipline for the mind, and the mind can be trained to appreciate water more than beer or wine.

when the mind is well trained, it is less an obstacle for soul to take control. 5% of control in a day is enough in the beginning. this is approximatively 1 hour and can be divided in 3 periods of 20 minutes.

most people will not have 30 to 40 years to learn to saturate the mind with higher vibrations above the mental plane. but 4 years is enough to get the basics and learn true prayer or meditation.

dont tell god what to do in prayer. he knows more than we do. dont use your mind to tell god what to do or what you need. he knows more than we do what is best for us.

the best prayer is just telling him you love him and you appreciate all the gifts in your life.

if you dont believe in prayer, this is ok too. you will not have the problems associated with the positive power.

you can skip all religious stuff and go for the neutral power in your life.

you simply have to learn to relax the mind and go above.
there you will discover that neutral power is the most powerful power, very much above the negative and positive power and big changes will happen in your life.

you can keep your money, job and relations, but you will see them a little bit differently.

many addictions will fade away. you will become more detached emotionaly and mentaly. you will still feel emotions but they will not control you.

you will still love some mental notions but they will not control you.

you can keep your money but it will not control you.

the real you will be more free and more powerfull too.
you will be able to see many change around you and many healing too.

you will also learn in your dreams.

and most of all, all your fear will dissolve, even fear of death, because there is no real death, just a change in vibrations, a change from the physical body to the astral body, a change from the 3d earth to the 4th density earth.

the light body working there is lighter, younger, more energic, less dense and easier to transport with feet, cars or simple tought. it can levitate and fly too. it can teleport too.

this is the real golden era filled with advanced technology and spiritual awareness.

after so many years of training, we are just a few years away from our goal and this is very exciting.

we have enough time to learn neutral power because we can skip negative and positive power.

denisfor

LordDragon

04-14-2009, 11:03 AM

hello denisfor, i am mostly positive with your reaction. but i have some remarks.

most people dont really know the negative power and they dont need this knowledge. you know very well a group of people who use this power and they dont need more publicity. this is black magic and this create very bad karma which can last for more than 10 000 years like the one created in atlantis in previous incarnation.

that is incorrect to me. everybody knows the negative power. (a fight seeking for a balance within between light and darknes happens in every human)the people you are refering to are possesed by it, they serve it as in a religion. ok about the karma, but every sort of karma can work 10000 years and there is always the possibility to solve the karma within the blink of an eye. in these words of you i sense fear of the darkness. if you are really light and love then you can embrase the darkness, get rid of your fear and instead of being slave of so called darkness, start to use it. (like in make it cooperate with the light inside you for example)

we have enough time to learn neutral power because we can skip negative and positive power.

that's your choise offcourse, but wouldnt it be wiser to stay on point and use your knowledge of the two sides of the medaillon to make them work togheter? you're very close with this neutral power thing but i do not think you have to trow things away while you can transform them. it's like saying "o wel now i found myself i can trow the ego away". darkness and light are two sides of the same force, how you call this force doesnt matter. but the neutral is a state of balance, perfect balance between the two opposites right? how do you keep something in balance? you need two opposite powers, and you create balance with them. thats why i like the examples and wishdom of don juan so much. he says you are the middler, the balancer between the two forces, you need them to create balance, you can not trow one of them away.

this is offcourse my vision on these things. i only whish to share knowledge.

blessings, ld.

MarkM

04-14-2009, 05:59 PM

just an observation - in the law of one, the ra mention that third density is the place of choosing to polarize either towards the positive path (service to others) or the negative path (service to self). graduation to fourth density is entirely dependant upon this choice being made, and upon the discontinuation of the occupation of the 'vast sinkhole of indifference' between the two.

yes it' true that there is a positive and negative polarity to everything, but this may be different from the concept of balancing and reconciling positive and negative 'powers' in the sense of both paths or approaches to living in third density.

negative or dark power cultivation necessarily includes the concepts of manipulation and control of others at the expense of consideration of others' free will.

the positive path necessarily includes the concepts of learning to love others as one's own self, and being more tipped towards the balance of service to others in acceptance, forgiveness and respect of free will.

we do need to learn to explore, find, accept, forgive and love those hidden shadow aspects of ourselves, in order to re-integrate and empower ourselves in the seeking of the positive path. this is in contrast to the concept of balancing ond/or unifying both paths, or of pursuing both the sts path and the sto paths at the same time. fourth density is a realm of the separation and isolation of these respective paths, as here we have fourth density positive planets as well as fourth density negative planets, and the two ne'er intertwine. earth will be a planet of fourth density positive - an environment in which it is impossible to cause disharmony.

as this is a forum for the discussion and exploration of the law of one, i felt it may be useful to present this distinction into this conversation. mark

Jetamus

04-14-2009, 09:13 PM

Purple Dragon

04-14-2009, 10:02 PM

aqcheryl

04-14-2009, 11:04 PM

this is really depressing to read.
i know others like to see it more positively but i cant help but read it as the ascension process being some sort of glorious privileged event while the majority get booted out to another planet.
thats not something i can get excited about.

what is 51% positive anyway?
sometimes i feel good and caring and other times i feel hateful and angry.

no, its not a selection. we are all god's children, and ra states no one will be left behind. no one is going to miss the boat here. they dont have to know law of one, or even be spiritual at all, in order to 'graduate'.

all they have to do, is make their choices in their everyday lives if they will do things solely to help themselves, or instead to help others.

we are not supposed to be 100%, we are not supposed to be perfect. the 51% is really being used as a simplifying explanation of service to self vs service to others while at the same time saying...

"look, i [consciousness] know you think negative thoughts at times, i know its really hard for you to put others before yourself all the time. i'm not expecting this of you. i know sometimes you need to put yourself above others, but you see, i dont want you to beat yourself up about this - because sometimes you have to have service to self in order to make yourself better. in order to serve others. i want you to be service to self in this manner, because as you grow, then you will help others grow.

you dont need to know me, to do this. you make these choices every day of your life. when you go out of the way to hold the elevator for someone, even though you really want dont want to wait. when you let someone pass in front of you, even if you dont like the fact it means you have to slow down to do so.

all you need to do, is care about others. to help them when you can. all you need to do, is do this as much as possible, to have the want and the will to do it more than you want to service yourself for solely your own gain. again it does not matter that you know me, for when the time comes i will come to you, and will make myself known to you.

and... if you do not understand, and do choose service to yourself more, i still will make myself known, for you are not forsaken. you are loved more than you can ever know. i will guide you through others, they will remain on the lower frequency because they love you, and they will help you to see and understand love. and you will be able to graduate.

be at peace. be love."

thats how i see it.

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on the subject of karma, it is stated (and/or implied) above that karma acts as justice... now that may be a facet of it, for their are consequences to our actions that will follow us - but karma is not a negative thing. karma rewards as well.
so if you put out positivity and love out there and help others, karma will reward you. we all have karma. it is what we project, and perhaps some might say a scientific term for karma is law of attraction.

also, white magic is mentioned, and it might have been me, but that too i read as being implied it too was still a bad thing. at the same time i suppose it depends on what white magic is to someone. white magic is called such because its not bad, and you will not receive negative karma for practicing it. magic is merely harnessing the energy around you. if a higher dimension soul came here to 3d, did not tell us they were higher dimension and just walked among us and we would see them as a 3d soul... and yet they performed feats in front of us because they have the knowledge and frequency of higher dimension the can do it... would we not label it as magic?
magic is really just mastering the illusion around us. the child bending the spoon in the matrix, was performing 'magic'. in other words, manipulating the illusion.

magic is not a bad thing, it is but a tool. it is the intent of the person wielding said tool that defines what is negative and what is positive. :)

Kreecher

04-15-2009, 02:48 AM

i kind of interpret the ra material slightly different on this point, i could of course be wrong and am open to suggestions:

1. i do believe the finding of balance is important. but in my opinion it is the finding of an "inner" balance of your feelings/emotions that is important. because it are these feelings/emotions that have a great impact on your energy level. and one needs a steady energy level or balanced energy level to be able to truly and consequently being able to choose to be sto.

for example: in this train of thought, extremes won't be helpful. wether those extremes are positive or negative, they are off balance. you could see it as a pendulum. a pendulum is in balance when it hangs in the middle: this could be seen as the acceptance of the possible "good" and "bad" feelings/emotions in any given situation, or in other words the feeling of the full spectrum of possible emotions (or the seeing it's one medal if you will) instead of picking out either side. why ? well, i believe that picking a side might be a "hidden" service to self kind of thing. some people are addicted to some type of negative emotion (being a victim, feeling angry, etc) and others to some positive emotion (wanting to feel "good"). if you are constantly picking one side of the pendulum, you will pull it towards that side, but unbalanced "feelings" never last and need to be "refueled". so when your "supply" to a feeling runs out, the pendulum will most likely swing past the balance point in the middle and to the other side, which leaves you looking for a way to get it back to the place you like it to be as compensation instead of trying to get it in the middle. the only way to make sure your pendulum isn't flailing from left to right, is to accept all possibilities of emotions at any given point in time and to try and stay in the middle.

i'm not saying i can do this already, i'm still just learning. but i do try to be conscious of this information and try to "feel" when i'm choosing to be pulled out of balance by only accepting one of the two extremes instead of seeing and accepting the oneness in them.

2. seeing that this inner balancing is such a tough thing to do, i think it is only logical that the requirements are 51% sto + 49% sts. because, in order to find this inner balance, you nééd to be some level of sts in the beginning. you need to choose "yourself" or "egoism" (ego = self / ism = to be -> to be the self) untill you've learned this balancing game. the beautiful gift here is, that we are allowed not to be perfect yet. we are allowed to still be working on ourselves (49%sts) as long as we choose to use the "extra pure energy" we have created, to being true sto.

this also means that somebody that has figured out how to balance his/her inner self, will have a lot more extra energy to spend on a true free will choice. those people will be able to pick to be more than 51% sto and this is ok as well. because they have come to this point by first serving themselves and making sure they as a self are also being treated right. and those people wont need to go looking for energy elsewhere but in themselves and can thus be truly sto.

well ... that's my take on things. :)

LordDragon

04-15-2009, 08:24 AM

@purple dragon

it looks like you see the ego as a kind of enemy. how can the ego work togheter with the self if it is seen as an enemy? in another post i told you can see the ego as the pilot of our vessel, and the self as the commander. i believe there is a risk that the vessel will crash down if the pilot and the commander start to see eachother as enemies. you may ask yourself which part of you is saying this, for i believe you need your ego for the simple task of typing replies here. please look inside seek the inner balance, dont hate your ego nor yourself, be love.

@acheryl

you're right that sto is found in little simple things, such as helping an old woman to cross the street, or do a chit chat with the old man living next door who has no frend anymore to talk with etc.

magic is not a bad thing, it is but a tool. it is the intent of the person wielding said tool that defines what is negative and what is positive.

wise words, i believe this to be the case with everything, that's why i speak about the duality which can be solved because we created it ourselfes. the sword can be a fantastic way to keep you body and mind in balance, but it can so be the instrument of murder. its not the force our the objects we use, its we and how we choose to use it.

@kreecher

wise words, the inner balance is very important. i agree that sto is also about balance. if we care 1% more about the others than about ourselves, we are harvestable. 1%, dear people, is all it takes. i also agree that one has to experience the negative to be drawn to the positive.
without making mistakes we can not learn, without the darkness we can not find the light. in this way the darkness is a tool to find the light, and to stay on track ones you now how to handle it. without serving ourselves we simply cannot serve others. imagine you stop eating breading andso on, what's gonnen be left of you to serve others with?

blessings, ld.

samncheese

04-15-2009, 12:48 PM

aqcheryl

04-17-2009, 04:33 AM

you are all thinking in 4d, time is not like that. many of the repeaters are here now. it may be that there are only 2 people here and they are repeating this time 4 billion times. so if one spirit moves on 50% of us has moved on. ok, this is sort of tonge in cheek but don't worry about numbers worry about energies...

its rather our souls are fragments of consciousness as a whole. each fragment has its own form of consciousness, and connected to the whole, and therefore we are all one.

imo we walk the earth one life at a time. so i disagree that theres duplicates of ourselves walking around to form up the numbers there are now. so if, using your numbers there :) , 2 souls made up the 4 billion here (ie we'd all end up being clones of each other) and say both they moved on, that doesnt mean we all will. we are responsible for our own growth, we have our individual free will. there are some souls coming here who have never walked the earth before, and some that have never even had a former life on any planet they are brand new to self-awareness, and then some who have been here reincarnating a long time.

our growth does impact others, because we are an example and our positive light reflects upon them. but they grow from that because they choose to do so, its not automatic. :)

Kreecher

04-17-2009, 06:02 AM

something i'm a bit confused over though is the differences between what david has said, and what was transcribed from the ra channelings regarding who would move on to the fourth density.

@samncheese - what you're saying makes sense and i don't think anybody will deny this, but i thought this thread was started by someone that wanted to know some stuff specifically about the move to 4d (see quote)...

keeping this in mind, i kind of figured it logical that "we are all thinking in 4d" in order to respond to this thread. and that we aren't skipping ahead straight to the top of the staircase, since the question was if what ra and david said about going from the 3rd to the 4th step of the staircase, was contradictory or not. :)

LordDragon

04-17-2009, 10:19 AM

@samncheese

what a compliment, we are already thinking in 4d! :d about the energies, every energy has a value, this value is spoken of in mathematical terms, so numbers or percentage are nothing else than talking about energies in another way, in this case with their value as first condition. there is a reason why ra uses this numbers, by studiing the numbers you will see that a 95% value is not a form of balance anymore, but a relation of 51%sto/49% sts, is clearly a situation of balance. this we can learn out of the numbers ra gave us.

but kreecher is right what are the specefic points david and ra disagree over?

blessings, ld.

AmentiHall

04-24-2009, 06:49 PM

what exactly is the 1st and 2nd densities?

what exactly is the 1st and 2nd densities?

again it depends on terminology, and context at play. i think dimensional existence is a bit more complicated then we currently know. i think there exists "dimensions" which are like bands or like waves (almost like a sound frequency, since the universe is made primarily of tones/sound and light) of information and reality programs. within those there are also "overtones" and different sub-zones, waves so on and so forth, it also depends on the type of entity viewing reality and have much different "sets of awareness" than we do. what i speak of is strictly in terms to a human.

and then there are the "dimensions" we perceive, like the axis/line, and the three dimensional view, and then of course time. those are almost like two different things although directly related.

density is the state of density that the reality is stationed within. higher density = less density, which means higher vibrating particles and consciousness. since the entire universe, and the whole of creation has consciousness. i believe at some point, there was a conscious choice for portions of reality to vibrationally "downstep" into more dense reality. this was caused perhaps, by pockets of resistance. these pockets perhaps, occured when much of the universe simultaneously "ascended" or raised in overall vibration while parts of the universe, consciousness, did not want to raise in vibration, but instead formed pockets of resistance, which then made up the density perhaps that we know of, and gravity along a curvature of space.

when energy from the source comes into our 3d holographic reality (holographic not to be confused with star wars lol) it has to break down through many processes through the dimensional/density "ladder" or "stairs" to trickle down to our level. the higher the density, or the less density that exists in a state of reality, the "less" time it takes to manifest simply through intent. the closer/higher/less dense you become, through the process of ascension, the closer you are to the "source/god" whatever you want to call it. then, towards the inner layers manifestation comes instantly, because time has less effect, there is no density ,hence there is no inertia. the entities that exist in such densities are like consciousness, that can create with a single thought. i once saw something here where someone mentioned how ra created the pyramids with a single thought.

now both make sense, both people physically making them (through divine influence) and manifestation. because when it comes down in the vibratory ladder, a thought that "manifests" it goes through the process of holographic downstepping, in other words, when we manifest something in real life, you and i- it comes through the rules/laws of the world. nothing just "pops" into existence. so when a higher entitiy "creates" through a thought, there is very much a physical, holographic process, to the entity since there is no time up there, it is instant. to us, with a short span of 60-80 years of life, it appears to take a long time.

this then, makes sense with the higher self which is stationed towards the highest levels of dimensional reality. close to the source (then there is the oversoul and a bunch of other things). so when you choose to manifest in 3d your higher self made the choice, in a place where all things happened and will happen. you are then a "projection" of your original, divine intent or consciousness. because you came down the vibrational ladder, down-stepped into manifestation, through all the process we often forget where we originated from. the process of ascension in my opinion, is the return to our original state. only, when we return, we have absorbed much, we have learned much, we have "evolved" and make a complete soul metamorphosis.

that is just a small example of what i wanted to give. how do i know this? i dunno, i just sort of know this stuff and absorb it as i go along. all of us can do this.

just a few ideas of how i view density/dimensions and their respective scales. clearly i am a human being in a 3d body so i will not truly be able to fathom it. but as i get closer to 2012 i feel every day more and more able to "grasp" what i can of the infinite :)

in this regard, the second density is the next portion of "physical" existence in which we can reside. in my opinion the process of ascension is not so much of necessarily evolution (although it is) but the reconnect of dormant/latent aspects of our physical bodies, dna, and consciousness. for example, the disconnection between dreamtime/astral experiences and physical consciousness can often overlap in lucid dreams and astral projections. this is only, one part of the next density imo. our entire perception of everything will change. it is not possible for me to fathom what 6dimensional awareness might be like, or existing at a different density altogether.