enlightenment

[mary jo fahey]

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>dear jeremy, and rod!
>
>>>
>unfortunately, i don't think you could have chosen
worse metaphysical works within which to search for
specific methods of enlightenment. i have no
experience with the arcturians, but both seth and ra
as well as many other channelled sources are coming
from a point of view that is much more abstract than
we are used to.
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>if you admit that you have no experience with metaphysical material from the arcturians, how can you be so critical?
>
>norma milanovich (author, we the arcturians) is a highly respected author and channel. she's a speaker at the wesak conference in mt. shasta next month along with dr. joshua david stone, dr. steven greer, james twyman and others.
>
><font size="2">http://www.drjoshuadavidstone.com/</font>
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><font size="2">i was so disappointed when i read your posts. </font>
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><font size="2">rod --you said you live near mt. shasta and you'll try to attend the event. i guess you won't be attending norma milanovich's talk.</font>
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><font size="2">mary jo</font>
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[Jeremy Weiland]

whoa, mary jo! i think we had a miscommunication.

> unfortunately, i don't think you could have chosen
> worse metaphysical works within which to search for
> specific methods of enlightenment. i have no
> experience with the arcturians, but both seth and ra
> as well as many other channelled sources are coming
> from a point of view that is much more abstract than
> we are used to.
> <<
> if you admit that you have no experience with
> metaphysical material from the arcturians, how can
> you be so critical?
> i was so disappointed when i read your posts. >>

i wasn't being critical of "arcturians." i said that
those works were not the best to use for specific,
step by step instructions to getting to where the
books are trying to get us. i wasn't in the least
implying that they are not valuable. but from the way
tiffani had described it, it sounded like arcturians
was vague in a similar way as seth and ra.

some people prefer simple, explicit methods they can
do. the works we were discussing seem to be more
theoretical and abstract, giving the student more of a
free reign in the exploration of self. it could very
well be that other works would be more valuable to
someone who needs a more structured approach, and that
was all i was saying.

the defense rests. :-)

jeremy

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[mary jo fahey]

dear jeremy,

i think you can understand that i reacted to your choice of words:

> unfortunately, i don't think you could have chosen
> worse metaphysical works within which to search for
> specific methods of enlightenment.

i appreciate you taking the time to post your "defense." :)

i was worried that the [large number of] people who read the posts on this
list would interpret your comment as a slam against norma milanovich.

mary jo


message: 2
date: sun, 10 mar 2002 05:42:19 -0800 (pst)
from: jeremy weiland <greenlantern113@... (/group/asc2k/post?postid=lq9vsy-luy3pwqhkjjw9y45uxrxnbletzyyeufbp1un1o5zil2_sezfqn jqavqsoqpnf9aeba-oyrsjzs5th)>
subject: re: enlightenment

whoa, mary jo! i think we had a miscommunication.

> unfortunately, i don't think you could have chosen
> worse metaphysical works within which to search for
> specific methods of enlightenment. i have no
> experience with the arcturians, but both seth and ra
> as well as many other channelled sources are coming
> from a point of view that is much more abstract than
> we are used to.
> <<
> if you admit that you have no experience with
> metaphysical material from the arcturians, how can
> you be so critical?
> i was so disappointed when i read your posts. >>

i wasn't being critical of "arcturians." i said that
those works were not the best to use for specific,
step by step instructions to getting to where the
books are trying to get us. i wasn't in the least
implying that they are not valuable. but from the way
tiffani had described it, it sounded like arcturians
was vague in a similar way as seth and ra.

some people prefer simple, explicit methods they can
do. the works we were discussing seem to be more
theoretical and abstract, giving the student more of a
free reign in the exploration of self. it could very
well be that other works would be more valuable to
someone who needs a more structured approach, and that
was all i was saying.

the defense rests. :-)

jeremy

[Light Eye]

dear friends,

wonderful.

be well, be love.

david

enlightenment

enlightenment is the awakened state of being. when all thoughts have
stopped and you are in a state of deep inner silence, which is profoundly
peaceful and still, you are in the enlightened state. you are so fully present
with everything around you that separation largely dissolves and you experience
oneness. you feel the presence of god or the divine within you and within
everything around you.

it is profoundly blissful. a deep inner knowing arises and yet you are
in silence. you come to know yourself as love. profound insights and
revelations sometimes emerge out of the silence. spontaneous healings can occur.

this awakened state is the natural state of your being. it is the truth
of who you are. it is ever present within you. it is just that most of the
time, you are so involved in the world of the thinking mind and the past and
future that you are largely unaware of it.

at the deepest level of enlightenment, or presence, all separation
dissolves completely. the personal dimension of you disappears. there is no
sense of your self in the past or the future. there is no sense of life outside
of the present moment. you have become utterly absorbed into oneness and the
mystery of existence in the moment.

however, you cannot function in the world at this level. you would need
a team of caretakers to take care of you. i recommend a softer version of
enlightenment, one that allows you to function in the world in an
enlightened and balanced way.

this means that you are fundamentally grounded in the present moment, but the
world of time is available to you. you are in the world but not of the world.
you have a sense of the past and future, but you are not identified with it in
any way. you know that only this moment is the truth of life. enlightenment is
also a process. each time you allow repressed feelings, thoughts and memories to
emerge from the darkness of your unconscious mind into the light of awakened
consciousness, you bring more light into your life and your being. as you
continue with this process of liberating yourself from the wounds and traumas of
the past, you will gradually become enlightened, which simply means that there
is
nothing left in the darkness of the unconscious mind.




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[Neil Haddon]

charli'e from hawai'i wrote (re crowley)
"what i have come to learn is
that when i "awaken" to the unconditional truth of my being, .... it has very
little to do with the information stored
in my grey matter and more to do with the alignment of the energy-centers of the
thing i call my body."

i read this immediately after reading pi (interesting site..origin of life)
"now, the beginning of worship is a clear realization that the true
self of you is the creator, that you are love, and that within you is
the capability of manifesting or channeling the love and the light of
the infinite one, though each of you are within a finite illusion and
therefore, are unable of yourselves to generate infinite *emotion*.
.... the next great step, then, in preparing oneself for
worship, is to yield up the humanness of the self, gladly, willingly
and eagerly, to release oneself from the limitations of making sense,
of being rational, of analyzing, thinking, concentrating, pondering
and so forth. *an emotion is experienced; it is not an experience*. it
is that which occurs to one."

taken together, these thoughts seem to say to me that being able to appreciate,
accept, and value the emotions we experience is of far greater value than
analysing, using our rational minds,following rituals etc.

it is what we feel in our hearts which will lead us to enlightenment. to awaken,
we need to get (our minds, our rational thinking, research, reading etc.) out of
the way, to allow us to receive (from our higher sources) the message of
infinite intelligence. i believe all the reading we do - ra, loo, q'uo, dw, all
of the amazing material available is really to get us to the point where we
*see* that to access the infinite source, we must lay aside our 'humaness' and
trust the feelings in our hearts.

some may call this 'faith' ( whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of god as a
little child shall in no wise enter therein- luke 10, mark 18 ); others may say
this is how prayer (i.e. 'heart-felt prayer', what the essenes called
'communion') is answered.

i am sure that the lowliest human soul who may not be able to read or write, has
never heard of jesus, or buddha, or mohammed, or even god is just as precious as
the adept and just as welcome in 'heaven' .

thank you for this insight.

love.
neil





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[James Stephens]

i love this place. it's very stimulating to read these conversations
and consider the implications of the thoughts of others. it's almost
forth density in nature lol.

[wubby gump]

james, i can only echo your remarks........take your
time going through all of dws work, the law of one, &
make sure you visit http://www.llresearch.org & make
extensive use of their search engine (inputing some of
your favorite words, phrases, etc., as there are
almost several lifetimes of information
there!)..............this is one of the greatest
places that you could imagine ever to
be...............but, like all things, it takes time
to digest all of this incredible and new (old?)
information.......so...........learn to be patient
(not only with yourself, but everyone & everything
else in the world).........i wish you & all who read
this a good journey..........

~ thomas

--- james stephens <jpstephenslives@... (/group/asc2k/post?postid=engej93ykbb5x9sbxiloz1kbd3jygioicbqjkb rvalccft3mrii5qdpf2fkxlr8rf4qwe9dk1u922wxb1exwvjs7 lha)>
wrote:

i love this place. it's very stimulating to read these
conversations and consider the implications of the
thoughts of others. it's almost forth density in
nature lol.

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