What does this mean? Anybody know?

[Deerclan]

ra said in an early session, "we are not those of the love of of the light." the rest of the quote is below. i welcome any comments, explatations, or descriptions from anybody who might help lend clarity to my thinking.

"ra: i am ra. we communicate now. we, too, have our place. we are not those of the love or of the light. we are those who are of the law of one. in our vibration the polarities are harmonized; the complexities are simplified; and the paradoxes have their solution. we are one. that is our nature and our purpose."


from: http://wiki.lawofone.info/index.php/ra_session_1

anyone know what it means, that ra are not of the love or of the light?

there is more to this quote. i would like to know if there are other people who resonate to it the same way i do (explanation below the quote):

"...we are old upon your planet and have served with varying degrees of success in transmitting the law of one, of unity, of singleness to your peoples. we have walked your earth. we have seen the faces of your peoples. this is not so with many of the entities of the confederation."

here's my question, and, warning bells, it gets pretty far out there, so bear with me. (i now assume most readers have been pretty far out there too, and have the maturity to be responsible with it.) for quite some time i have been aware of some unidentified group, who have some governing sort of authority. i have also been acutely aware that *most* of this group (i had believed it to be the entire group) has no experience whatsoever living on the face of this planet. even so, they often respond to queries for help or for information. i have found the "help" to be useless, and the "information" to be high-handed, bordering on arrogant. at times, i have ventured to invite them to come down here and *show* me what they are talking about, and offering to be perfectly willing to listen to any source of wisdom who can speak with the voice of experience. all i've ever gotten back is an embarrassed silence. i see that while ra are emminently polite and courteous, ra also find it worthwhile to make the distinction between those who have actually walked the walk on earth, and those who know only how to talk the talk.

in contrast, i do not find the ra readings either useless or high-handed. in fact, i sense a humility in them that i as a human being find very comfortable. in fact, i describe the ra readings as being very down-to-earth.

can anyone relate? am i out here all alone? :) thanks.

[Chris Hamilton]

this is one of the first statements made by ra in the books. if you haven't read further, then your understanding is limited in this regards (not being condescending, but when one reads the books, this question is answered).

it has to do with the densities and what we learn in each density. in the 3rd density we choose our polarity. in the 4th density, we learn love. in the 5th density, we become wise. and in the 6th density, we meld love with wisdom. that is what ra was saying....that their density is 6th and is not the same as the 3rd, 4th or 5th density.

the books are really wonderful, so if you haven't read them, please look at the outline on this site and then read the books at ll research. just ask for the links or search the forum using our search function. take care, chris

[twva]

i agree with chris. ra is saying they are not 4th density (of the love) or 5th density (of the light). instead, they "are of the law of one" (6th density).

the part you quoted is actually not in the published books. i think l/l research edited it out of the transcript for fear that it could be misunderstood.

[litllady]

hi ya deerclan,

i feel where you are coming from and i want to share what i feel on this topic. which differs from most, i should add cautiously...so i hope the mods allow my view of it.

i think we can learn what we need to learn while here to ascend more then 1 density per life time. rarely this is done, and rarely the lessons are learned 1 lesson per 1 life...sometimes taking many lives to learn 1 lesson. so when we talk of 4th as love, 5th as light, 6th as the law.....i think its possible that we are learning at different levels and possibly surpassing 2 lessons in one life if we can handle it. this can be dangerous and to attempt to do this could also make one fall away from the previous lesson that they once grasped of.

when i had my most deepest spiritual time in this life, i believe i ascended a lesson and possibly a density that i have worked on for many life times. i found the law of one material while searching my sons experience at age 5 of a light being coming to him, and he thinks it gave him a new life, in his mind, this is what he feels it showed him. so i find dw stuff and dc and it opened me to have tools to do a deeper spiritual seeking...through my dreams and synchronicity.

i found some gospels that have no proof of their origin...so many dont take them as worth...but they sang to me for some reason. they taught me why to fast at certain times, they taught me how to call of nature, the universe....and once i felt humbled enough to atempt such a thing.....i tried it. the fasting then didnt seem to be my own thinking, but the understanding of why to fast came to me, through every meal, through ever food that entered my mouth, this was the first thought that came into my consciousness that i felt was not just my thought, it was a universal voice of some kind. a language of light is all i can describe it as. i then practiced understanding, the energy in the grass was of me, so daily i asked it to be with me and aware of me as i was of it. then i began with the same kind of awareness with the wind...and the water, dew, ect....fire, stars....and then the final practice i experienced come to me as a lesson was every single eye i looked into , was a part of me. i new understanding of 'offering' came to me. a new understanding of cycling came to me. then, my dreams seemed to of allowed me to advance through a matrix kinda experience that led me through my fears, through a death, and through a rebirth. i feel a ascended in some strange way, but was still here.

now, i feel there is another chance i can learn another level here...but to be honest, if im right to what i am feeling here, i know i am not ready for what that is. if i was a monk, with no kids or emotional ties like i have in this life, then yes, i think i could achieve another lesson, which i dont think is easy to do in 1 life. the lesson for me, involves the offering of the flesh, for someone else, out of love, for them to learn, and raise a vibration. i believe this is what the man jesus did. mabey, this little world of earth isnt the best place to learn the next attribute that i would be in line for.....or my other thought, is mabey we dont learn things in any particular order....and mabey we have already committed to something here that is a part of a lesson already learned....like, offering.

i dont see any material black and white....and being that we dont know much about the last couple densities, i am careful to go by only material.

when i felt that there was a connection going on with me, i did not feel it was of the law of one, i felt it was originating from those gospels i read. i had one mental vision one time, when i was feeling very close with this universal connection....and i saw a group of beings, robe liked, standing in a crescent circle behind what was my being (what i saw as me in this life) and it seemed those fractals made me somehow, but also, i made them.....i felt 2 sensations from them that ran through me like how a feeling runs through people, person to person. i felt as if this group, or selves that made a self, smiled and blushed at my reaction to them.

this is just my own personal spin....i use many materials to see the one, mabey this is for comfort, but i like to think its with the help of intuition of how i need to see things right now.

my best,
lynette

[Deerclan]

chris, thanks for bearing with me. your answer was exactly what i was looking for. i have looked over the outline you referred to and just started reading the unedited version of the loo, up through about reading 4.
appreciate your comments also, twva.

lynette, i seem to feel more substance in your reply than i can quite understand yet. i'd like to think on it a while before i respond further.

paul

[litllady]

hi ya paul,

after re reading my post, i feel that my point was swept away by my rambles (i do this often)...but for others that have received silence when reaching out for understanding, mabey my thoughts will aid somewhere for someone. i was responding to the topic of receiving silence when reaching out, instead of trying to answer what it means when the ra soul group says they are not of love or light. so to others that reach out and are receiving silence, mabey this can give some light.

even though i feel the ra material gave me tools to use for understanding, the ra soul group is not where my 'universal voice' comes from'. my thoughts on this are to due with possibility of what density i was before incarnation. mabey the law of one can give me the tools, but since i have trouble understanding the density of the law of one, mabey some arent ready for that channel of growth. i resonate with the law of one, but my information seems to be of different origins, mabey a different density, because that is what i need and mabey someone can relate here on this.

when i read about the love, light, law....it made sense to me. but when i finally connected to a 'higher voice'....it seemed to be more of the love or light density. i was just using myself as an example for others as to why the law might resonate with someone, but the inner voice might seem to focus not on the law of the 6th density, but a lower level mabey.

i was trying to understand what you were talking about when you said you called out for understanding and received silence. so i thought mabey, there was someone that could resonate with receiving silence in return because they arent ready to receive the voice of the law. i then went on to talk about the inner voice i did find seemed to be through a different material, a different vibration (more about love) which i feel that voice came because i found a material that was at my level of growth (i only am going on about this in case there is someone out there reaching out to the universe, but receiving nothing in return).

i confused your silence in return with my own...and we were talking about different things. i reached out to the law, the ra soul group, and i received silence. after i did find the vibration i was needing, a universal voice came loud and clear but it did not seem to be a vibration of the law.

i was taking the thought a step further for others that might be receiving silence when reaching out to the ra soul group, mabey one receives silence because they are needing a different vibration of growth before they reach the law of one.

when you mentioned receiving silence...i misunderstood and related that to the silence i once received and felt the need to tell others that if you receive silence, seek other vibrations, such as the love or light, but we can still use the tool that the ra soul group gives us. through my times of receiving silence, and then seeing a need for a voice of a different vibration....i then understood the importance of what density the law was, and the importance that it is different then the density of the love or the light. i didnt understand these differences until i found what level of growth i was needing and then i realized, the law of one density was ahead of what i was needing.

sorry for that confusing post and sorry if i just added another confusing posts *smiles* but anywho....

much love
lynette

[Deerclan]

lynette, thanks for clarifying. i think we're on the same page now. :)



after re reading my post, i feel that my point was swept away by my rambles (i do this often)...

you sound like me. lol



even though i feel the ra material gave me tools to use for understanding, the ra soul group is not where my 'universal voice' comes from'. my thoughts on this are to due with possibility of what density i was before incarnation.


makes sense to me.



when i read about the love, light, law....it made sense to me. but when i finally connected to a 'higher voice'....it seemed to be more of the love or light density.


i'm tempted to make a bad pun on liking the 5th dimension -- but i'd be showing my age. :)



i was trying to understand what you were talking about when you said you called out for understanding and received silence.


i don't think i made myself clear in that. i was putting several ideas together without making a clear distinction between them - my bad. :) i'll try to clarify. first, i was talking about the distinction ra made concerning various members of the planetary confederation. as i understood ra, the others of the confederation have not lived physically on our planet, whereas ra has lived here.

secondly, i was comparing ra's comments about that confederation with an old perception of my own of some sort of council of ruling elite. i do not know if the two groups are the same, or even if they are related. (for that matter, i don't know for sure if my council is anything more than a figment of my own imagination.) the commonality between the two was that the "council" i perceived also had no direct experience with planet earth. i had conversations with them inside my head at various times -- an exercise which jungian dreamworkers call "active imagination." (it's connection with 3d may be real and vivid, or vague and imaginary - it's up to the individual to do the hard work of figuring that connection out.)

to be brutally honest, parts of my imaginary conversation with the group was a challenge or confrontation i hurled at them. basically i said, "if you know so #@^$& much, then why don't you just come down here to physical reality and show me how you think things should be done?" similar to the challenges job hurled at father god in the book of job in the bible when job challenged god to come down & meet him in a court of law -- we human types do that some times, when we feel backed against a wall. we get aggressive, and demand answers. david indicated in one of his videos that he once took a similar attitude towards ra, when he was upset and wanting to know if he really was ec reborn. that is where the similarity ends with the three "challenge" scenarios. (1) father-god answered job by challenging job and helping him find the type of humility he apparently needed. (2) ra answered dw by giving him the information he felt he needed. (3) the council in my imagination, brimming over with suggestions to begin with, had nothing to say in response to my challenge to incarnate to earth and *show* me. the seemed embarrassed. they seemed caught out.

that's what led me to wonder if they were the same confederation members ra mentioned, when ra pointed out that the other confederation members has *not* lived on earth. it matters a lot to me, because one of the things i like about ra is that ra's words seem so down to earth. i know it may sound strange to talk about channeled information as "down-to-earth," but that's how it seems to me. ra is down-to-earth, showing a type of humility that *i* personally believe comes only with experience of living here.

i'll use a quick comparison. there are some universities that automatically get respect for anybody who graduates from them, because they are *so* tough academically. likewise, some wars - like vietnam - and some prisons (like attica). to me, graduates of this planet are like a combination of all 3 -- like somebody who fought in the nam, served time in attica, and then graduated from harvard. that's how i see ra. ra have really been there, done that, not just bought the tee-shirt. i see no pretension in ra, no fake humility, and no putting on airs. ra is exactly who ra is, take it or leave it. i don't know anything about the rest of the confederation, except ra says they are not graduates of earth.

this next statement is my own personal bias, and it might even sound disrespectful, but i don't mean it that way. here it is: anybody who ain't been here has got no business trying to advise awakened souls struggling to live here. it's nothing more or less than the same principle i found when i wanted a job working with nam veterans - nobody would give me a job working with nam veterans, for the simple reason that i was never there. conditions in nam were unique. i've listened to a lot of stories from a lot of veterans, and i believe them when they say if you weren't there, then you just can't understand what it was like. that's my exact same attitude towards any supposed spiritual authorities who ain't been to earth. this is a tough school, a tough prison, and a tough war. if you haven't been here, you don't know squat. it may be wrong, but that's my attitude.

according to ra, however, members of the planetary confederation are 8th density beings, in which case a showdown between them & a regular old earth human like me would not make much sense. so maybe i just answered my own question. :)



i confused your silence in return with my own...and we were talking about different things. i reached out to the law, the ra soul group, and i received silence. after i did find the vibration i was needing, a universal voice came loud and clear but it did not seem to be a vibration of the law.


that also makes sense to me.



sorry for that confusing post and sorry if i just added another confusing posts *smiles* but anywho....


sorry, but you made perfect sense to me. lol you do seem to have a good sense of humor, and i appreciate that. imo a good sense of humor is important in pursuing spiritual endeavors.

thanks for a good conversation, lynette.

[twva]

...there is more to this quote. i would like to know if there are other people who resonate to it the same way i do (explanation below the quote):

"...we are old upon your planet and have served with varying degrees of success in transmitting the law of one, of unity, of singleness to your peoples. we have walked your earth. we have seen the faces of your peoples. this is not so with many of the entities of the confederation."

i think that in this quote ra is saying that they have been to this planet and seen our faces. almost all members of the confederation, as i understand ra, have had third-density experiences; it's just that not many have walked this earth and interacted with us as ra did in egypt.


secondly, i was comparing ra's comments about that confederation with an old perception of my own of some sort of council of ruling elite. i do not know if the two groups are the same, or even if they are related. (for that matter, i don't know for sure if my council is anything more than a figment of my own imagination.) the commonality between the two was that the "council" i perceived also had no direct experience with planet earth.

ra distinguishes between the confederation of planets in the service of the infinite creator and the council of saturn. the confederation (http://www.lawofone.info/results.php?session_id=6#24) "contains those from your own planet who have attained dimensions beyond your third. it contains planetary entities within your solar system, and it contains planetary entities from other galaxies" "plus approximately four percent more of whose identity we cannot speak. (http://www.lawofone.info/results.php?session_id=16#30)" i believe most members of the confederation are fourth-, fifth-, and sixth-density.

the council (http://www.lawofone.info/results.php?session_id=7#9) is made up of "representatives from the confederation and from those vibratory levels of your inner planes bearing responsibility for your third density."

i'm not sure who the representatives from our inner planes are on the council, but i'd guess that if you felt arrogance from a psychic contact chances are it wasn't part of either the confederation of planets or the council of saturn. as i understand it confederation members are all green-ray active and the green ray fills you with complete understanding, tolerance, and humility.

[Tenet Nosce]

we are not those of the love or of the light. we are those who are of the law of one. in our vibration the polarities are harmonized; the complexities are simplified; and the paradoxes have their solution. we are one. that is our nature and our purpose."

i am fairly certain that this line was intended to point out that ra is neither of the love or the light only but of both harmonized together, which would mean their home density is of late 6th or later.

i think you are wise to notice that not everything that comes from a higher dimension is necessarily beneficial for those of us here. i have a link in the "aliens never doubt again" thread that goes to an article you might find useful.

[Deerclan]

twva writes:
ra distinguishes between the confederation of planets in the service of the infinite creator and the council of saturn.

i had missed that distinction, twva - thanks. that is very helpful to know.

twva also writes:
i'm not sure who the representatives from our inner planes are on the council, but i'd guess that if you felt arrogance from a psychic contact chances are it wasn't part of either the confederation of planets or the council of saturn. as i understand it confederation members are all green-ray active and the green ray fills you with complete understanding, tolerance, and humility.

excellent points, again. thanks for this also.

[Deerclan]

i am fairly certain that this line was intended to point out that ra is neither of the love or the light only but of both harmonized together, which would mean their home density is of late 6th or later.

ah. i see that distinction, and it makes a great deal of sense to me.



i think you are wise to notice that not everything that comes from a higher dimension is necessarily beneficial for those of us here. i have a link in the "aliens never doubt again" thread that goes to an article you might find useful.

yes, i read quite a bit of that article. could you tell me a bit more about that site? i was rather stunned at the information on the site. i turned to the home page, and it actually sounded a lot like my best friend talking. makes me wonder -- who's he been listening to??? :)

also, thanks to everybody who responded. i am genuinely impressed at the honesty, sensitivity, and knowledge with which everyone responded to my questions. also the respect shown to me -- respect which by the way is mutual.

[Deerclan]

i think i've found my own answer. thanks to everybody for participating in my own personal spiritual scavenger hunt. :)

[Ultramind]

i have just started reading through the first of the law of one books. my approach is to read small sections of the book as to absorb the information better and move on once i have understood what has been written. i have noticed that ra uses the word "distortion" a lot in many different contexts. i am wondering if anyone could go into more detail about what distortion really means. i loosely understand some of these concepts but not fully. i don't think that i am fully absorbing what he is saying simply because i am having a hard time understanding what is ment by using the word distortion. from my perspective he means "one's understanding of the truth", but i am unsure. as i read through i see distortion being used, but my definition of this term doesn't make sense with some of the contexts that ra uses. i hope this makes sense to all of you. does anyone care to give me their definition of distortion'?

[Berry Chastain]

ultramind,
as we understand the word "distortion" it means to us something imperfect. ra uses the term to indicate anything which is other than pure perfect love of the creator. the very fact that we can experience the creator's love in our very dense third density reality is itself a distortion, as it is not such as it would be in the ultimate density of the one infinite creator. so when they use the word distortion it simply means another manifestation of the original, not imperfect or bad but transmuted so that it is comprehensible to those of us here.
hope this is a help,

[billybobbutterball]

hi there, ultramind (hmmm... that name sounds like a great distortion in itself!):)

adding to what beery wrote:

distortion = anything that may erroneously be seen as a separate or individual unit, (since all is one,) including all philosophical ideas, teachings and concepts related to the oneness as well as such things as the nature of light in the different densities, since there is only one light that has “distorted” itself into an octave. the frequent use of the word “distortion” has been a stumbling block for many readers of ra, as it can apply to almost anything and is usually not considered to be a negative term. at times ra refers to their own teachings being distortions, as they themselves have not fully penetrated the octave and returned to oneness.

incidentally, the first distortion is considered to be that of (the law of) freewill ... ultramind would squeeze in there also.:cool:

an explanation i like is this: "the cosmic plan is for wisdom to be obtained through the experience of diversity within unity".

i.e., variety spinning off of the principle of singleness -- individual peculiarities as distinct from the unity of mankind.

hope that helps some....distorted love from billybobbutterbrain:rolleyes:

[evolving]

this next statement is my own personal bias, and it might even sound disrespectful, but i don't mean it that way. here it is: anybody who ain't been here has got no business trying to advise awakened souls struggling to live here. it's nothing more or less than the same principle i found when i wanted a job working with nam veterans - nobody would give me a job working with nam veterans, for the simple reason that i was never there. conditions in nam were unique. i've listened to a lot of stories from a lot of veterans, and i believe them when they say if you weren't there, then you just can't understand what it was like. that's my exact same attitude towards any supposed spiritual authorities who ain't been to earth. this is a tough school, a tough prison, and a tough war. if you haven't been here, you don't know squat. it may be wrong, but that's my attitude.

please understand what i say is not to be confrontational. i only intend to allow you another perception of your thoughts if you wish to.

this is not a war, nor a prison, but your analogy of it being a school is accurate enough.

if you were a student in harvard, and a professor that had taught at oxford came to teach at harvard, or came to offer help, would you as a student find something wrong with that?

if you were in the army and serving in a theatre of war, and an officer with extensive experience in a different war became your officer, would you have a problem with that?

just because other groups have not "graduated" with experience on this specific third density planet, does not mean they have not "graduated" from a third density planet. their wisdom is helpful, no matter where they come from. they might not have walked the same mile as we must (but have not yet completed), but they have walked a mile, and have finished it.

they have attained that which we must yet attain, and as such, it would do us well to be so humble as to accept them as teachers.